Little.Alex: CtrlAltDelete: Tatsuma: Do you think that everyone who horded Jews in gas chambers and then killed them were all insane? Or all had a purpose?

Sometimes, people merely kill out of hatred. Even hatred not directed at anything in particular, or for good reasons.

I think you are right. But it brings up complicated matters that overwhelm the current argument.

Could you, for instance, imagine the logistics alone of executing all of those in multiple countries who were responsible for the Holocaust?


I've read 2 interesting things on that; I read a psyciatrist's book on sociopaths. She sez that about 4% of the population is completely free of guilt, conscience, or sympathy. They just don't have the brain chemicals

I also read a book on the Final Solution. It said that the Nazis had a hard time finding men who could kill women and children. Most men can't do it without breaking down. Guards at camps going nuts, killing themselves, things like that. But if you look you can find the right people for that job...

I have a sister in law who is a sociapath. I could tell you stories that would make you want to shoot her. Like her fondness for puppies. Loves puppies, like a toy, but doesnt like dogs. So about every 10 months, she gets a new puppy. Then when it starts to look like a dog, she has it put down or gives it to Purdue Medical Research... and goes the next day to get another puppy. Killed 7 puppies in the last 5 years. Really.

...hate that cooont soooooooooooooo much..... Destoyed my brother's life too, of course.

But is she hot?

Once again. Oubliette. There's no mail service.
Heck - there's no toilet paper.
Open it up. Drop 'em in. Walk away.
Put up a sign saying, "No throwing peanuts to the prisoner."
Yelling up through the bars, "Help Me! Oh God, Please Feed Me!" is an appeals process that doesn't cost a dime.

DarthBrooks: I remember one of this guy's letters to the MontCo sheriff:

"Your children are not safe, anywhere, at any time."

Yeah, so count your blessings they don't have death penalty by chipper-shredder in Virginia, Muhammad.



If you hold up a store with a BB gun you can still be charged as if it was a real weapon. The fact he threatened the populace is good enough for me since those people lived in fear from September to October.

Feed him feet first into the chipper...

Tsar_Bomba1: DarthBrooks: I remember one of this guy's letters to the MontCo sheriff:

"Your children are not safe, anywhere, at any time."

Yeah, so count your blessings they don't have death penalty by chipper-shredder in Virginia, Muhammad.



If you hold up a store with a BB gun you can still be charged as if it was a real weapon. The fact he threatened the populace is good enough for me since those people lived in fear from September to October.

Feed him feet first into the chipper...

Why not feed him bit by bit into the chipper? Put a little stopper around his ankles so he only loses a foot first, then cauterize it with a white-hot piece of metal. Don't give him any painkillers. Let him sit in agony for the last month of his life living in fear just like the people in DC. Do this process repeatedly for each life he took. You could even remove his organs for donation while he's still awake/alive. Use the most crude methods to take his kidneys and then call it a day as he dies from the open wound that marks the final stage of his execution.

/A lot of colorful ideas on how to properly terminate a man of his...calibur...
//Cruel and unusual? Not if the punishment fits the crime.

This is precisely why he represented himself in the first place. He knew he'd lose no matter what. Represent yourself and you'll have this handy excuse to bust out later on.

...but if I had a lawyer.
...I represented myself, can't you see that only an insane person would do that.

etc.

Geez, all you conservatives and your blood lust (just kidding). Just because you won a few elections yesterday.

Sarcasm out of the way, how is it different between 'knowing someone did it' and 'guilty beyond a reasonable doubt'? Yes, I understand the corrupt cop syndrome (wifes first husband is as corrupt a shiatstain cop as ever wasted oxygen) but at the same time there are more killers in my building (1, a guy who killed someone DUI) then on death row (zero) if we go by the word of the people themselves.

I see no difference between offing this guy and someone who intentionally murders (loosely defined as pointing a gun/putting a knife to a person who is committing no wrong) a single person. Is the victim any less dead? Will the victims family grieve any less? Remember, in such instances it is the state acting as an agent of the people to carry out this execution.

Guilty of inciting a hate crime?

hipster_slayer: Beat him with a rake until he pees or poops himself and then send the pics to everyone he went to highschool with. Then something "ritualistic" and "medieval" with his butthole and genitals. That should cover most of the bases...

You're on my favorites list for a reason...So, when're you running for office?

What's his last meal request?

Live by the gun....

....DIE BY THE GUN.

IonBeam2: As he prepared for his 2003 trial, Muhammad was "amnesic of the events surrounding the crimes" and thought he was being framed in an elaborate scheme, the attorneys wrote. He believed that he was a prophet and said Malvo discovered an herbal cure for AIDS. He also said the military had trained him in "urban warfare" at "secret schools." The attorneys said that because of Muhammad's brain damage, he has trouble following a logical line of thought and "lacks sufficient ability to distinguish truth from falsity."

Okay, how do these things make him different from any other black man?

That is exactly how you made my favorites list. You crack me up.

Anyone that can go on a killing spree in insane so that shouldn't prevent putting him in a box or anyone else.

A serious question to the assembled: why do we no longer hang the condemned?

I'm sure at some point some federal judge had a problem with it, but really, why screw around with tying someone to a gurney and pumping them full of chemicals? Isn't that just kind of tacky? So that they look "peaceful", or some crap like that, to the witnesses as they are being put down? So it is more like what a veterinarian does?

The idea is to KILL them. Now, whether or not you like that idea in the first place, if you're going to KILL somebody, why not keep it simple? Hemp rope, a drop, and their neck breaks. Done properly, which is not very hard, with practice, literally tens of thousands of people have been executed that way for hundreds of years.

So why don't we still hang people like we used to? They will be just as DEAD either way. If anything, it is more respectful to someone that they can die standing, instead of tying them down like an animal? Why not show even a vicious killer a little respect when you kill them?

Cthulhu Theory: Little.Alex: CtrlAltDelete: Tatsuma: Do you think that everyone who horded Jews in gas chambers and then killed them were all insane? Or all had a purpose?

Sometimes, people merely kill out of hatred. Even hatred not directed at anything in particular, or for good reasons.

I think you are right. But it brings up complicated matters that overwhelm the current argument.

Could you, for instance, imagine the logistics alone of executing all of those in multiple countries who were responsible for the Holocaust?


I've read 2 interesting things on that; I read a psyciatrist's book on sociopaths. She sez that about 4% of the population is completely free of guilt, conscience, or sympathy. They just don't have the brain chemicals

I also read a book on the Final Solution. It said that the Nazis had a hard time finding men who could kill women and children. Most men can't do it without breaking down. Guards at camps going nuts, killing themselves, things like that. But if you look you can find the right people for that job...

I have a sister in law who is a sociapath. I could tell you stories that would make you want to shoot her. Like her fondness for puppies. Loves puppies, like a toy, but doesnt like dogs. So about every 10 months, she gets a new puppy. Then when it starts to look like a dog, she has it put down or gives it to Purdue Medical Research... and goes the next day to get another puppy. Killed 7 puppies in the last 5 years. Really.

...hate that cooont soooooooooooooo much..... Destoyed my brother's life too, of course.

But is she hot?

No. She's a pig. She used to be slightly hot, but now she's a Land Manatee.

She was slightly hot when she snagged my brother, and probably wild in bed as the crazy often are. But then they got married and she promptly gained 80 pounds and cut her hair short.

She is exactly why you should not sleep with strangers -once you start making six figures. You don't know when you're being gamed.

Perhaps he should've thought about that BEFORE executing 10 innocent people at random.

trappedspirit: Little.Alex: I don't care why he killed those people. I just don't want him doing it again. And there is only 1 penalty with a Zero Reciivism rate.

Two consecutive life sentences?

Life without parole Didn't stop Willie Horton.

James Martin, 55
James Buchanan, 39
Premkumar Walekar, 54
Sarah Ramos, 34
Lori Ann Lewis-Rivera, 25
Pascal Charlot, 72
Dean Harold Meyers, 53
Kenneth Bridges, 53
Linda Franklin, 47
Conrad Johnson, 35

Those are the names of the ten people this "thing" killed. That's 10 people who'll never be home for another Thanksgiving, who are never going to be around to hold a child or grandchild, or root for their favorite team, or listen to a song on the radio, or contribute to a Fark discussion thread. That's ten families that have a constant reminder of the brutal, horrible randomness visited upon someone they loved.

He's been tried and convicted; he's had his appeal. The date's been set. Regarding his choice of defending himself, I think the phrase I'm looking for is "you made your bed, now lie in it."

You don't keep rotting meat in the fridge, do you?

Tatsuma: epoc_tnac: I think people are more worried about all the farking innocent people who get executed because of corrupt cops, lazy and incompentent lawyers, and a legal system that basically doesn't give a fark. And stuff, and junk.

This is why it should be restricted to cases where there is no doubt that the sentenced man is guilty.

How would the system you envision even work? Would a person convicted of a capital crime have to be found really guilty in order to get death? If they are found only guilty then do they get life?

Despite the best analysis techniques, evidence is collected by humans and humans are fallible. That is never going to change. As long as the human part of the equation exists mistakes are always going to be a possibility. I believe that the death of an innocent cannot be justified, no matter how many guilty people may deserve to die.

/Also, clearly Muhammed should executed by being towed by a car on a highway at high speed wearing roller skates while people on overpasses try to squash him with major appliances.

Death's too good for him.
BURNIN'S too good for him.
He should be torn into itty bitty pieces, and BURIED ALIVE!!

/I got an angle on it
//trust me, I got an angle on it

Get on with it and be on your way.

petcat2469: It's true that he did not get a fair trial. Give him a new one.

Then shoot him.

Little.Alex: I also read a book on the Final Solution. It said that the Nazis had a hard time finding men who could kill women and children. Most men can't do it without breaking down. Guards at camps going nuts, killing themselves, things like that. But if you look you can find the right people for that job...

Trivia time! The first Kommandant of the Buchenwald camp was executed -by the NAZIS!- because they thought he was kind of nasty-spirited and mean.

Little.Alex: Look at Dukakis and Willie Horton. MD had body guards, and an armored limo, and private jets; so why not turn loose psychotic murderers? The worst he could do is kill a few peasants, which he did.

Actually Horton committed rape and assault on his furlough, not murder. It was murder that landed him in jail in the first place. But what remains interesting about Horton is how successfully liberals were able to turn him into a victim of racism by whining about the anti- Dukakis campaign commercial made about him in 1988. As usual, hysterical race- baiting was successful in obscuring the true facts of the case, which were terrible. But liberals have been drawing from this poisoned well of rhetoric for decades.

Kill him. NOW.
No need for big, dramatic, make-him-suffer crap.
Just kill him. Kill him now.

/Is he dead yet?

POS such as this person do not deserve a burial either. Burn him and flush his ashes down the toilet. Heck, toss him in the crematorium alive and perform the execution and cremation all in one step. Let the bass turd feel some genuine fear, pain and anguish before we extinguish his miserable life.

/Got nothin'

terra_incognita: Whether it was a screwed up childhood, a cultish brainwashing (like Susan Atkins), or a soldier waging a covert war, it has been proven that he killed innocent people. The evidence clearly shows he is guilty. He is not right in the head, and needs to be put down like a rabid dog. This is the perfect time to apply the death penalty.
Let's get it over with.
And in the least expensive way possible.

The least expensive way may be watching him die of old age in prison.

/just sayin'

I am against capital punishment, and that applies to this case as well. Lock him up - ditch the key.

epoc_tnac: How can gleefully causing suffering be defined as anything BUT insane?

If you want to see people revel in the thought of causing suffering to another person, just read this thread. It's a disturbingly normal human trait.

TheBigJerk: The least expensive way may be watching him die of old age starvation in prison.

I'm a helper.

BKITU: Works even faster.

True dat.

I don't understand why the Death Penalty isn't carried out by a firing squad. Sinplest way. No Doubt. No "torture". It's gotta be the cheapest. Guns and bullets. Why have all these elaborate set ups like the lethal injection chamber and the electric chair? Firing squad.

whammer: A serious question to the assembled: why do we no longer hang the condemned?

Because hanging people to death is an inexact science. You have to get everything just right (the rope length, the knot, everything set for the prisoner's weight, etc.), otherwise the neck does not snap. And as we all know now, all this does is cause paralysis and eventually death, not instant death. And when you get it wrong you can end up just strangling the person and they die over a matter of minutes. And sometimes it doensn't kill them at all.

Yah, we can get all internet tough guy over it and say "good, a messy agonizing death is what he deserves" but if that was the case, then the judge should have sentenced him to messy death.

I think we may be nearing a consensus here. Let's all take a brief coffee and bathroom break and come back and vote on this.

Dancin_In_Anson: Dear John:



Sincerely,

Me

You're not at all how I pictured you.

The evidence in the trial was overwhelmingly damning. His "protoge" should have recieved the same fate. They both should have been executed long ago. Virginia is wasting good tax dollars keeping both of them alive.

Same as with mass murderer John Gacy of Illinois years ago, it took many years from conviction to death pentalty---and hundreds of thousands of wasted tax dollars in the mean time.

Hi-Ho, Hi-Ho--it's off to Hell he goes...

I don't feel any sympathy for this turd, but I also have a real problem with allowing anyone, including the government, to have that kind of power.

Is "life and death" something you folks really want the Justice Department to have authority over?

Blood eagle, anyone?

/fan of Viking justice

At the time this was going on, my parents were living in Silver Spring MD and I lived in Baltimore, five blocks from the 7-11 where they finally tracked down this guy.

Feeling conflicted today from all the memories brought up FTFA.

Misanthropic Byotch: Kill him. NOW.
No need for big, dramatic, make-him-suffer crap.
Just kill him. Kill him now.

/Is he dead yet?

WFern: Is "life and death" something you folks really want the Justice Department to have authority over?


Yes.

And when people in this country begin to give a shiat and actually participate in government, rather than just biatching on forums and editorial pages, the system will actually work tons better than it currently does. Until then you farkers deserve what you're getting...


/not "you" specifically - I don't know you

Little.Alex: That is exactly how you made my favorites list. You crack me up.

Cute,
In my mind you guys just set up a little troll playdate where you can sit arround and talk about how much more awesome white folks are than black folks...

Great another Death Penalty Hypocrites thread.

Look, you are either for it or against it. You are not allowed to sit on the fence to appease your guilty conscience because deep inside you know killing an animal like Muhammad is justice but you don't want your liberal friends to know what a blood thirsty savage you really are.