Bonercare?

John Boehner has way too much makeup on in that picture. His eyes look ridiculous. Although, to be fair, his eyes are less ridiculous than his health care 'plan'

TFA: Under the GOP plan, insurance companies will not be banned from denying individuals coverage on the basis of pre-existing conditions however. Instead, those with preexisting conditions would become part of a "high-risk" pool of individuals to be insured, Boehner explained.

So, eventually, everyone gets into the high-risk pool.

Fantastic!

The Icelander: TFA: Under the GOP plan, insurance companies will not be banned from denying individuals coverage on the basis of pre-existing conditions however. Instead, those with preexisting conditions would become part of a "high-risk" pool of individuals to be insured, Boehner explained.

So, eventually, everyone gets into the high-risk pool.

Fantastic!

trickle down health care policy

This is probably the worst liberal twist of conservative agenda I have ever heard. I can't believe they posted TFA. Wow, some people will just believe whatever they read on the internet.

"Gentlemen, the plan is do nothing."

Wow... a plan so full of fail that you would almost expect had been put together by Democrats as a strawman Republican plan. Seriously... I realize the Republicans don't want more government involvement in healthcare but this plan is off the deep end. We all love the deregulated credit card industry so much that we want the same with health insurance? WTF?

I fail to understand why we can't just have a stupid public option. Would that be so hard? If the free market is really all it's cracked up to be, wouldn't the private insurers be able to handle it? Except the weakest ones? Isn't that Social Darwinism in action?

Boehnerbonercare

To paraphrase "It is better to have no healthcare plan and to be thought of as a moran than to show a healthcare plan and prove you are a moran."

RagingHamster: "Gentlemen, the plan is do nothing."

I really dont understand why your penis has three balls

"In my plan Eda's prescription plans would be covered. Under my opponent's plan, her house would be burned to the ground."

I hope I don't get sick, but if I do, I will do the following:

1. Go to the GOP, tell them how as a sick person "ObamaCare" makes my life worse.
2. Get invited to speak at the GOP convention (preferably 2012).
3. Tell the crowd that in order to drive costs down for everyone else, I will remove myself from the insurance market.
4. Off myself on stage.

The Rest of Hitler's Mustache: "In my plan Eda's prescription plans would be covered. Under my opponent's plan, her house would be burned to the ground."

I would like to subscribe to your opponent's newsletter.

u458625: Click Here. You can't resist the urge to click

it's newsmax. piece of cake.

/if it was youtube, i probably would have, even knowing it could be a rickroll, which was my original assumption of the link

The author of this piece assumes insurance providers all will "race to the bottom", ignoring that there will be market incentives to offer something better than the other guy to attract customers. If this were true, all restaurants would provide nothing more than a burger dollar menu to match MacDonalds. You would have no choice in the menu, no matter where you went. This isn't how the market works.

If all insurance companies can sell across all state lines, some will race to the bottom. They will be the cut rate providers offering the cheapest package with minimal coverage, but it would probably be better than nothing. Not everyone wants just cheap coverage. Enough people will demand decent coverage for a fair price that companies will offer it. Some will offer crap and tie it up in too much mumbo jumbo in the contract so you don't realize you are signing up for crap. These companies will be found out quickly enough and soon learn the power of the internet tied with word-of-mouth.

The first year of a free market in health care insurance will be a farking mess. It will sort itself out, though, and everyone will be better off -- except for a few sleazy businesses who will either go out of business or scrap along with the left-over crumbs.

OgreMagi: The author of this piece assumes insurance providers all will "race to the bottom", ignoring that there will be market incentives to offer something better than the other guy to attract customers. If this were true, all restaurants would provide nothing more than a burger dollar menu to match MacDonalds. You would have no choice in the menu, no matter where you went. This isn't how the market works.

If all insurance companies can sell across all state lines, some will race to the bottom. They will be the cut rate providers offering the cheapest package with minimal coverage, but it would probably be better than nothing. Not everyone wants just cheap coverage. Enough people will demand decent coverage for a fair price that companies will offer it. Some will offer crap and tie it up in too much mumbo jumbo in the contract so you don't realize you are signing up for crap. These companies will be found out quickly enough and soon learn the power of the internet tied with word-of-mouth.

The first year of a free market in health care insurance will be a farking mess. It will sort itself out, though, and everyone will be better off -- except for a few sleazy businesses who will either go out of business or scrap along with the left-over crumbs.

That whooshing sound you will hear will be all the insurance companies sending folks to the new head office location in the state with the most lax laws. No doubt about it. Whats good for the credit card companies is good for the insurance companies too.
Stupid republitard.

Went looking for more information how these pools would work. Found this.

A Republican Health Care Plan (time)

Specifically, he points to the kind of high-risk pools that many states have established for those who find themselves uninsurable as a result of a serious illness. That is not a new idea--some states have had these pools for three decades--or a solution for many. These pools already exist in more than 30 states, but they tend to be too expensive for those with limited means to buy into. And often, people cannot get into them for as long as a year after they apply.

Dang. Forgot italic/quote. Last paragraph was copy/paste with the embedded links. Full quote. Not me.

OgreMagi: The author of this piece assumes insurance providers all will "race to the bottom", ignoring that there will be market incentives to offer something better than the other guy to attract customers. If this were true, all restaurants would provide nothing more than a burger dollar menu to match MacDonalds. You would have no choice in the menu, no matter where you went. This isn't how the market works.

Absolutely correct.

Health care isn't a market. Consumers generally don't get to pick and choose when they get sick or what diseases they will develop, nor do they get to choose their parents in order to avoid pesky genetic marker pre-existing conditions.

Free market principles don't apply to health care or health insurance.

See, that's why the government sells flood insurance. So why can't the government sell health insurance?

Perhaps the Republicans believe protection from flooding is more important than protection from death and bankruptcy. Well, they DO believe that, as they vote in favor of government offered flood insurance all the time.

u458625 2009-11-03 10:08:55 PM This is probably the worst liberal twist of conservative agenda I have ever heard. I can't believe they posted TFA. Wow, some people will just believe whatever they read on the internet.
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Um... The AP article I read earlier says pretty much the same thing.

It won't cover preexisting conditions.
It won't provide coverage to all americans.
And it won't lower costs.

It's basically... nothing.

At least the democrats try. They still fail, but at least they try. The republicans have fail right from the getgo.

OgreMagi: These companies will be found out quickly enough and soon learn the power of the internet tied with word-of-mouth.

They will? Enough mumbo jumbo, combined with changing people's plans (humana changed mine 4 times this year, I just got an unlabeled letter today that turned out to be from humana that said to disregard a rider I was sent 2 months ago, which was a mistake) will keep the scam running for a long time.

Then, when a company falls apart, a new one can take its place and be just as bad.

There is no guarantee with something that complicated that things will end up honest by default.

Oh, and OgreMagi, even if, over time, these shiat companies will fail to have a huge portion of the market controlled by their tactics, they'll still harm a lot of people in the process, people paying good amounts of money and then finding themselves with no coverage when they need it.

Gee, I wonder who will keep them going after this happens? The good companies going to step in and pick up the slack? No, the hospitals will treat them, medicaid will cover them, social programs will help feed and maybe house them when they lose their jobs and everything else.

u458625: Click Here. You can't resist the urge to click

you're a weak-ass troll.

My Boehner is fine, thanks.

My Aetna insurance, however, can go get stuffed. I'm hoping there's a way for me to get on the public option, I have rather a suspicion that it will be way less shiat and the HORRIBLE GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRACY won't be a tenth as agonizing to deal with as Aetna.

So, I guess what I'm saying is, go take your Boehner somewhere else.

Well, it's an improvement.

The first Republican Health Plan was 2.5 pages, double spaced in a 22 pt font.

Not much of an improvement, but still an improvement.

And, it only took them a year.

Every time i see that pic of her, i think how much more effective she'd be with my wang in her mouth.

\I mean Really! No Talking!!

OgreMagi: My butt hurts, and it has also replaced my brain.

If we had UHC, maybe you could get that fixed.

ghare: OgreMagi: My butt hurts, and it has also replaced my brain.

If we had UHC, maybe you could get that fixed.

Nah, they'd probably just label stupidity as a "pre-existing condition" and disqualify him for the medical benefits.

Otherwise known as "The plan that might actually work, keep the government out of the private market, and give power to people instead of the federal government"

What's that phrase liberals always use when they're not the ones in power: 'We tried it your way...'

Guess what liberals? Every health care proposal you've come up with: We've tried it your way, your way doesn't work. Every government run health care system we have right now is a complete and absolute mess.

Laugh at my Boehner, will they?!

sparkeyjames: OgreMagi: The author of this piece assumes insurance providers all will "race to the bottom", ignoring that there will be market incentives to offer something better than the other guy to attract customers. If this were true, all restaurants would provide nothing more than a burger dollar menu to match MacDonalds. You would have no choice in the menu, no matter where you went. This isn't how the market works.

If all insurance companies can sell across all state lines, some will race to the bottom. They will be the cut rate providers offering the cheapest package with minimal coverage, but it would probably be better than nothing. Not everyone wants just cheap coverage. Enough people will demand decent coverage for a fair price that companies will offer it. Some will offer crap and tie it up in too much mumbo jumbo in the contract so you don't realize you are signing up for crap. These companies will be found out quickly enough and soon learn the power of the internet tied with word-of-mouth.

The first year of a free market in health care insurance will be a farking mess. It will sort itself out, though, and everyone will be better off -- except for a few sleazy businesses who will either go out of business or scrap along with the left-over crumbs.

That whooshing sound you will hear will be all the insurance companies sending folks to the new head office location in the state with the most lax laws. No doubt about it. Whats good for the credit card companies is good for the insurance companies too.
Stupid republitard.

The stupid in you is strong. I have never been a member of the republican party and I doubt I ever will be a member. Despite what brain dead lefty farkers say, moderates are not republicans in hiding.

Lumi: OgreMagi: The author of this piece assumes insurance providers all will "race to the bottom", ignoring that there will be market incentives to offer something better than the other guy to attract customers. If this were true, all restaurants would provide nothing more than a burger dollar menu to match MacDonalds. You would have no choice in the menu, no matter where you went. This isn't how the market works.

Absolutely correct.

Health care isn't a market. Consumers generally don't get to pick and choose when they get sick or what diseases they will develop, nor do they get to choose their parents in order to avoid pesky genetic marker pre-existing conditions.

Free market principles don't apply to health care or health insurance.

Free market principles can apply to health insurance. Something you are supposed to get before you get sick. Since one of the arguments is to force people to get insurance before they get sick, the opportunity to shop the market will be there.

I have car insurance. I probably won't get in an accident, but I have it anyway. If "pre-existing conditions" were not an issue, I would just wait until I had an accident to get car insurance. Obviously that would be a stupid system. The same applies to health insurance. You get it now, when you are healthy. You hope you never need it, but it's there just in case.

OgreMagi: The stupid in you is strong. I have never been a member of the republican party and I doubt I ever will be a member. Despite what brain dead lefty farkers say, moderates are not republicans in hiding.

Once again you are not a moderate.

Halli: OgreMagi: The stupid in you is strong. I have never been a member of the republican party and I doubt I ever will be a member. Despite what brain dead lefty farkers say, moderates are not republicans in hiding.

Once again you are not a moderate.

I'm a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. That makes me a moderate.

OgreMagi: Halli: OgreMagi: The stupid in you is strong. I have never been a member of the republican party and I doubt I ever will be a member. Despite what brain dead lefty farkers say, moderates are not republicans in hiding.

Once again you are not a moderate.

I'm a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. That makes me a moderate.

You constantly say nutty stuff and side with the GOP. Not a moderate.

Halli: OgreMagi: Halli: OgreMagi: The stupid in you is strong. I have never been a member of the republican party and I doubt I ever will be a member. Despite what brain dead lefty farkers say, moderates are not republicans in hiding.

Once again you are not a moderate.

I'm a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. That makes me a moderate.

You constantly say nutty stuff and side with the GOP. Not a moderate.

Sometimes I side with the GOP, sometimes I don't. It depends on the subject. You only remember when I side with the GOP. That's typically on tax issues. Do you remember how I sided on the last gay marriage or abortion debate? If you only remembered those (instead) you would be convinced I am a democrat.