Yes. Just like I block my dog from getting into the master bedroom so he cannot succeed in tearing up the pillows.

Well, yeah--that's kind of what opposition parties do.

FlashHarry: jim demint (R-SC): "If we're able to stop Obama on this, it will be his Waterloo. It will break him."

loyal opposition?



My my!

/Hot.

Makh: Lawmaking should be an intellectual process. Not just a automatic gain-say of anything the other party says!

Yes it should

RE: Democrat Healthcare debacle.

If you tolerate this kind of behavior from Democrats it will just encourage more of it.

We don't want that.

It must be stopped.

Weaver95: blue cross/blue shield apparently REALLY like Orrin Hatch. look at his donor list.

Wouldn't it be great if instead of a D or R next to their name, the media would begin to list all of their top campaign contributors instead?

ne2d: Well, yeah--that's kind of what opposition parties do.

Yep. That headline is stating the blatantly obvious. People who don't agree with legislation argue and vote against it.

So....

Hatch is saying that they're stopping the Democrats because the Public Option plan might actually succeed, and if that happens, the body politik will fall helplessly in love with the Dems for all time, thus destroying the GOP?

Unless I forgot something... the bureaucracy of the Federal Gov't is intended [rip me for being naive, it's deserved] to be apolitical, staying out of this crap as much as possible to do their jobs.

ldsr: If you tolerate this kind of behavior from Democrats it will just encourage more of it.

We don't want that.

You don't want Democrats doing anything that is good for the country. Got it.

This is why political parties are a farking stupid idea.

Maybe elect people based on their actual opinions and abilities? As it stands, you could run Jesus (D) vs Satan (R) and 30% of the country (at least) would still be yelling "Hail Satan!"

And then probably bashing Jesus for his liberal beliefs and calling him a secret Jew, and pointing out that Satan has a great deal more experience in top level organization and management.

the republican party is imploding on its self. this event only happens once every 300 years as a recall.

coffeeplease: Makh: Lawmaking should be an intellectual process. Not just a automatic gain-say of anything the other party says!

Yes it should

No it shouldn't.

I'm sure Orrin and his crew have a better idea. I'd love to hear it

hophead929: ldsr: If you tolerate this kind of behavior from Democrats it will just encourage more of it.

We don't want that.

You don't want Democrats creating a Health care debacle for the country. Got it.

FTFY.

Hang On Voltaire: Yes. Just like I block my dog from getting into the master bedroom so he cannot succeed in tearing up the pillows.

I don't think any of us are interested in what you and your dog do in the master bedroom...

Prevent the Democrats from succeeding in taking away more power and more money from the people and giving it to themselves?

Sounds like a great idea, because that's all Health Care Reform is about for the Democrats.

randomjsa: Prevent the Democrats from succeeding in taking away more power and more money from the people and giving it to themselves?

Sounds like a great idea, because that's all Health Care Reform is about for the Democrats.

I'm sure you were all over the Patriot Act when it was passed under Bush, when that actually was what was happening, too, right?

randomjsa: Prevent the Democrats from succeeding in taking away more power and more money from the people and giving it to themselves?

Sounds like a great idea, because that's all Health Care Reform is about for the Democrats.

...and what everything else was about for the past eight years for the Republicans...

The United States already has some of the highest labor costs in the world. Our inefficient health care delivery system that is directly tied to employment makes us even less efficient.

Real health care reform is tied to a robust economy. And the United States cannot remain a military superpower in the world without having a superior economy.

Ergo. By blocking healthcare reform, the republicans are making America less safe and providing aid and comfort to the enemy for petty political reasons.

FlashHarry: jim demint (R-SC): "If we're able to stop Obama on this, it will be his Waterloo. It will break him."

loyal opposition?

What makes you suspect the opposition feels an obligation to be loyal to an ideology they despise? Get back to us when you grow up and grow a pair.

And THIS is why republicans need to be ran out of town on a rail. They're not at all concerned about the well being of the public. They admittedly don't want health care reform not, as they publicly claim, because it will fail but rather because they know it will work and don't want it counted as "the other teams" victory. This point can't be hammered home enough. If we as a people want what is best for us we need identify those who are not working in our best interest and remove them at the ballot box.
This, of course, goes for Democrats as well since there are many of them who also answer to corporate interest.

Surprising to who?

So, at work today I noticed a Chyron on Fox News (the actual, post-9am News) that said that the Republicans unveiled their own healthcare reform bill or some such... yet I haven't heard anything about it. I figured it would've been on the AP/Fox/CNN wires that I have access to, but nothing. Just that one lower third on Fox News this morning.

Did anyone else see it or was I delusional with boredom?

keytronic: The United States already has some of the highest labor costs in the world. Our inefficient health care delivery system that is directly tied to employment makes us even less efficient.

Real health care reform is tied to a robust economy. And the United States cannot remain a military superpower in the world without having a superior economy.

Ergo. By blocking healthcare reform, the republicans are making America less safe and providing aid and comfort to the enemy for petty political reasons.

I mostly agree with your first two thoughts, however disagree that the proposed health care plan helps. Your final thought is just BS and you know it.

I've been saying it for ages, todays Republicans are not just the opposition party, they are the party of opposing everything. Which will only be a winning strategy as long as they're opposing something that ends up working out poorly, or something that they can successfully block where there is no negative result. As soon as the economy improves, and a good healthcare system gets passed, they're farked, because all the rational people will remember is "these people fought it tooth and nail." And while they might have a good 30% of the population as their base (and its not growing), 30% does not get you very far on the national stage.

TheJoeY: So, at work today I noticed a Chyron on Fox News (the actual, post-9am News) that said that the Republicans unveiled their own healthcare reform bill or some such... yet I haven't heard anything about it. I figured it would've been on the AP/Fox/CNN wires that I have access to, but nothing. Just that one lower third on Fox News this morning.

Did anyone else see it or was I delusional with boredom?

It's on the GOP Site. John Boehner was on CNN touting it just yesterday.

Unfortunately, it has no additional details than they've had for the past 10 months. When pressed for numbers about cost, percent of new folks covered, how it will lower health care expense, etc, Boehner admitted they hadn't actually thought about that stuff much because, well, it "isn't their job."

RedArny: Weaver95: blue cross/blue shield apparently REALLY like Orrin Hatch. look at his donor list.

Wouldn't it be great if instead of a D or R next to their name, the media would begin to list all of their top campaign contributors instead?

Or require politicians to wear NASCAR driver like outfits with all their donors/sponsors logos on it.

dgc360: randomjsa: Prevent the Democrats from succeeding in taking away more power and more money from the people and giving it to themselves?

Sounds like a great idea, because that's all Health Care Reform is about for the Democrats.

And what's the big plan coming from the Republicans?

Oh, that's right, this --------

Sometimes doing nothing is better than doing something. Because we all know politicians like to point at themselves and say "Look what I did" and that is how we get awful draconian laws like sex offender registries for 18yr old boys having sex with 17yr old girls, or drunk driving check points, or the PATRIOT ACT.

So yeah, when the government says it is going to do something with my best interests in mind, I take it with a grain of salt because wouldn't I know what is in my best interest more than some lying sack of shiat politician?