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(WGRZ)   Q. When is a burglary not a burglary? A. When the police break in for "training" purposes and trash the place   (wgrz.com) divider line 93
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2009-11-03 08:21:41 AM  
Did they shoot any dogs?
 
2009-11-03 08:56:43 AM  
Scott Brown: "Do you think the owner is due an apology?"

DeGeorge: "Nobody wants to see this type of situation happen. We certainly feel bad for anybody in that situation. The department will do anything it has to do to make sure it doesn't happen again."


So, your answer is no. Asshole.
 
2009-11-03 09:33:51 AM  
Largest Street Gang in America at its finest!
 
2009-11-03 09:36:22 AM  
He's just lucky they didn't "find" anything while conducting their training exercise. . .
 
2009-11-03 09:36:59 AM  
But the Common Council refused to give the owner permission to reopen the building because of objections from neighbors.

"I would not like to see it become a rooming house, the neighborhood is not conducive to that, we've got some small children here and unless they develop it with college students in mind," said Kelly Shaw who lives across the street from the building.


This is more interesting, why does it matter what the people around the building think about it? They don't own or it or have any rights to it whatsoever. But the cry of the stupid "think of the children."
 
2009-11-03 09:37:15 AM  
nmemkha: Largest Street Gang in America at its finest!

Came here to say this. Linky pops (new window)
 
2009-11-03 09:38:23 AM  
Thisbymaster: But the Common Council refused to give the owner permission to reopen the building because of objections from neighbors.

"I would not like to see it become a rooming house, the neighborhood is not conducive to that, we've got some small children here and unless they develop it with college students in mind," said Kelly Shaw who lives across the street from the building.

This is more interesting, why does it matter what the people around the building think about it? They don't own or it or have any rights to it whatsoever. But the cry of the stupid "think of the children."


This. Guy spends $200k renovating a building and making it a nice rental property, without a doubt raising the property value and the value of surrounding real estate, and is shunned by neighbors for doing so.

Idiots. I'd beef up the insurance policy and rent out to crack dealers just out of spite.
 
2009-11-03 09:38:58 AM  
Gang-related vandalism?
 
2009-11-03 09:39:10 AM  
Another "cops suck" thread already? Must be some kind of trend.
 
2009-11-03 09:40:24 AM  
Buffalo is going to earn its own tag soon....

Why did I move here again?
 
2009-11-03 09:40:33 AM  
How can they just use a building they don't own for training? I would think that would be a huge violation of rights. What if there were contractors in there at the time? Would the police dogs attacked them?
 
2009-11-03 09:41:06 AM  
I wonder if the city is paying for the repairs, or if they are saying, too bad, so sad, and making this guy pay for it himself.

From the tone of the article, and the police spokesman, I'll go with the second one.

His insurance probably won't cover it either, since the cops did it.
 
2009-11-03 09:41:28 AM  
roadmarks: Buffalo is going to earn its own tag soon....

Why did I move here again?


Cheap place to live?
 
2009-11-03 09:41:49 AM  
Me and a roommate once lived in this real shiathole duplex. We rarely cleaned, old food on the tables, dog crap on the floor, cigarette butts wherever they landed. We used to crack each other up when we'd get home at the same time (usually loaded), enter the house and act shocked "Dude, the pigs trashed our place! Pack your crap, we gotta get outta here, like NOW!"

I guess that's more of a you had to be there type thing.
 
2009-11-03 09:43:44 AM  
dudemanbro: Another "cops suck" thread already? Must be some kind of trend.

Sounds fishy:

1. Guy buys burned down building, invests to make it a rental property.
2. Building is brought up to code, city council signs off.
3. Neighbors complain to city council.
4. City council orders building boarded up by court order.
5. Owner fights, has order rescinded.
6. Police trash building the day after as a "training exercise."
7. Owner is run out of town, puts building up for sale.

Corrupt local government at its most efficient.
 
2009-11-03 09:44:44 AM  
I know some LEO's in need of some frontier justice.
www.cougarpressbooks.com
 
2009-11-03 09:45:09 AM  
EvilEgg: How can they just use a building they don't own for training? I would think that would be a huge violation of rights. What if there were contractors in there at the time? Would the police dogs attacked them?

That's the part I found very strange. The owner does not forfeit his property rights just because the city or county boards it up.
 
2009-11-03 09:45:24 AM  
EvilEgg: How can they just use a building they don't own for training? I would think that would be a huge violation of rights. What if there were contractors in there at the time? Would the police dogs attacked them?

It's done all the time inside condemned buildings--but then this wasn't condemned. A judge ordered it temporarily boarded.
I guess that's enough to give them carte blanche to come in and destroy the place. And not compensate the owner in any way, of course.
 
2009-11-03 09:45:45 AM  
FTFA: "I would not like to see it become a rooming house, the neighborhood is not conducive to that, we've got some small children here and unless they develop it with college students in mind," said Kelly Shaw who lives across the street from the building.

Incomplete quotes aside, this woman has clearly never lived anywhere near college students. Transients and hobos would be quieter and probably cleaner, as well.
 
2009-11-03 09:45:54 AM  
devildog123: I wonder if the city is paying for the repairs, or if they are saying, too bad, so sad, and making this guy pay for it himself.

From the tone of the article, and the police spokesman, I'll go with the second one.

His insurance probably won't cover it either, since the cops did it.


They may have to, if he sues the city. That ought to really make those NIMBY F*cktards in the neighborhood happy when their taxes go up, to cover the lawsuit.
 
2009-11-03 09:48:02 AM  
"I would not like to see it become a rooming house, the neighborhood is not conducive to that, we've got some small children here and unless they develop it with college students in mind," said Kelly Shaw who lives across the street from the building.

Unless they develop it with college students in mind what?

Thisbymaster
This is more interesting, why does it matter what the people around the building think about it? They don't own or it or have any rights to it whatsoever. But the cry of the stupid "think of the children."

Yes, they do have rights to it. When you buy a property you're not just buying the spot it's on, you're paying for the surroundings. Unless you think a half-acre in South Central LA is exactly the same as a half-acre in Manhattan.
Anyway, zoning, motherfarker, do you speak it?
 
2009-11-03 09:48:09 AM  
Isolated incident.
 
2009-11-03 09:48:47 AM  
ReverendJasen: It's done all the time inside condemned buildings--but then this wasn't condemned.

But even a condemned building might get hit with a bulldozer at some point. I don't think the police would want to be inside when the owner decides to rebuild.
 
2009-11-03 09:49:53 AM  
RanDomino: Unless they develop it with college students in mind what?

The last thing I would want is college students moving into my neighborhood. At least the addicts are quiet.
 
2009-11-03 09:50:25 AM  
RanDomino: "I would not like to see it become a rooming house, the neighborhood is not conducive to that, we've got some small children here and unless they develop it with college students in mind," said Kelly Shaw who lives across the street from the building.

Unless they develop it with college students in mind what?

Thisbymaster
This is more interesting, why does it matter what the people around the building think about it? They don't own or it or have any rights to it whatsoever. But the cry of the stupid "think of the children."

Yes, they do have rights to it. When you buy a property you're not just buying the spot it's on, you're paying for the surroundings. Unless you think a half-acre in South Central LA is exactly the same as a half-acre in Manhattan.
Anyway, zoning, motherfarker, do you speak it?


Zoning? Residential property is zoned residential whether its rental or owned.
 
2009-11-03 09:51:12 AM  
EvilEgg: How can they just use a building they don't own for training? I would think that would be a huge violation of rights. What if there were contractors in there at the time? Would the police dogs attacked them?

The building had probably been declared as abandoned/derelict by the judge which flagged it up as a property not owned by anyone and free to use for training.

In the time between it being OK'ed for use in training and the training taking place, the judge reversed the decision. Although the police messed up not checking the status of the property on the day of the training (although it's possible the status wasn't actually updated depending on how long court paperwork takes to be processed), the home owner must've messed up pretty badly to get the house boarded up in the first place.
 
2009-11-03 09:55:07 AM  
bush
Zoning? Residential property is zoned residential whether its rental or owned.

I mean that the fact that zoning exists means that a property owner does not have carte blanche rights to the use of that property.
 
2009-11-03 09:59:50 AM  
abigsmurf: Although the police messed up not checking the status of the property on the day of the training (although it's possible the status wasn't actually updated depending on how long court paperwork takes to be processed), the home owner must've messed up pretty badly to get the house boarded up in the first place.

RTFA. The building was purchased after being damaged by fire, rebuilt, and signed off by the codes department. It was only boarded up after neighborhood residents complained that it was going to be used for rental.
 
2009-11-03 10:02:37 AM  
RanDomino: bush
Zoning? Residential property is zoned residential whether its rental or owned.

I mean that the fact that zoning exists means that a property owner does not have carte blanche rights to the use of that property.


Did the owner come up with anything that would have been illegal? No, in fact what he planned on doing would have been better for the area but the local corrupt government shut him down. He has the right to do whatever he wants as long as it is legal. He was improving, and the neighbors wanted to tell him who could live in the building, which is a violation of federal housing laws. The neighbors and the government that is in their pocket need a visit from the FBI.
 
2009-11-03 10:04:09 AM  
Woah. That looks really dodgy from the other side of the Atlantic, so many questions arise.
How do some US police forces get away with screwing up that badly?
Surely it was obvious to the officers, once they were inside, that money had been recently spent on the property?
Are they tards, very incurious or just not very observant?

/Aren't the FBI supposed to watch the watchmen and police the police?
 
2009-11-03 10:04:26 AM  
abigsmurf: The building had probably been declared as abandoned/derelict by the judge which flagged it up as a property not owned by anyone and free to use for training.

In the time between it being OK'ed for use in training and the training taking place, the judge reversed the decision. Although the police messed up not checking the status of the property on the day of the training (although it's possible the status wasn't actually updated depending on how long court paperwork takes to be processed), the home owner must've messed up pretty badly to get the house boarded up in the first place.


2/10; people have been blaming the victim for centuries, you're just going to have to try harder
 
2009-11-03 10:05:41 AM  
RanDomino: bush
Zoning? Residential property is zoned residential whether its rental or owned.

I mean that the fact that zoning exists means that a property owner does not have carte blanche rights to the use of that property.


Ok, now you make sense. Within the context of what the owner was trying to do in this case, they have no right to complain.
 
2009-11-03 10:06:23 AM  
bush: abigsmurf: Although the police messed up not checking the status of the property on the day of the training (although it's possible the status wasn't actually updated depending on how long court paperwork takes to be processed), the home owner must've messed up pretty badly to get the house boarded up in the first place.

RTFA. The building was purchased after being damaged by fire, rebuilt, and signed off by the codes department. It was only boarded up after neighborhood residents complained that it was going to be used for rental.


shhh, the cops are never wrong, or, if they are, whoever they wronged was even more wrong. Too many people defend police actions no matter what.
 
2009-11-03 10:06:27 AM  
bush: dudemanbro: Another "cops suck" thread already? Must be some kind of trend.

Sounds fishy:

1. Guy buys burned down building, invests to make it a rental property.
2. Building is brought up to code, city council signs off.
3. Neighbors complain to city council.
4. City council orders building boarded up by court order.
5. Owner fights, has order rescinded.
6. Police trash building the day after as a "training exercise."
7. Owner is run out of town, puts building up for sale.

Corrupt local government at its most efficient.



THIS was my thought as well. Seems like the article may not have been telling the whole story.

However, using buildings for training is not unheard of- A few years back the Seattle Fire Department bought (I think they bought it, anyway) a foreclosed house in my parents neighborhood. They proceeded to light and put out mulitiple fires in the house for a week, at all hours of the day. The neighbors were less than pleased about the noise, smell, poisonous fumes, and odd hours. But they had no recourse to prevent the fire fighting training. Eventually the house was almost fully destroyed. I understand firemen need to practice... but this was a frustrating experience for that neighborhood.
 
2009-11-03 10:06:34 AM  
abigsmurf: The building had probably been declared as abandoned/derelict by the judge which flagged it up as a property not owned by anyone and free to use for training.

There's no such thing, aside from public land, as property not owned by anyone and even abandoning land does not make it revert to public land. There's no way a simple court order could lead to someone giving up their property rights altogether. There's more to this than the story is telling.
 
2009-11-03 10:07:32 AM  
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Was it these officers?
 
2009-11-03 10:08:23 AM  
I'm willing to bet that somebody on that block has a buddy on the city council.
 
2009-11-03 10:08:47 AM  
ethics-gradient: Woah. That looks really dodgy from the other side of the Atlantic, so many questions arise.
How do some US police forces get away with screwing up that badly?
Surely it was obvious to the officers, once they were inside, that money had been recently spent on the property?
Are they tards, very incurious or just not very observant?

/Aren't the FBI supposed to watch the watchmen and police the police?



As to your very last questions... no.

As to your first, second, and third questions, it was Buffalo. 'Nuff said.
 
2009-11-03 10:13:16 AM  
dudemanbro: Another "cops suck" thread already? Must be some kind of trend.

The trend seems to be be cops in certain areas keep doing dumb things. We can see less headlines like this if some cops didn't do stupid things and make all their fellow law enforcement officers look like jerks by association.
 
2009-11-03 10:14:04 AM  
As a homeowner in the dystopian shiathole known as Buffalo until September I am getting a kick out of this story.

/no I'm not
//left because of blatant corruption and high taxes
///and the crime
////screw NY
//slashies!
 
2009-11-03 10:14:28 AM  
/Aren't the FBI supposed to watch the watchmen and police the police?

Pay the Man: As to your very last questions... no.
As to your first, second, and third questions, it was Buffalo. 'Nuff said.


So who does police the police in the USA?

Buffalo sounds like a crap place to invest your money.
 
2009-11-03 10:16:16 AM  
EvilEgg: How can they just use a building they don't own for training? I would think that would be a huge violation of rights. What if there were contractors in there at the time? Would the police dogs attacked them?

This is not an isolated incident. Generally they pull this type of shiat on people that are afraid to speak up for themselves and intimidate those that do.
 
2009-11-03 10:16:36 AM  
ethics-gradient: So who does police the police in the USA?

They police themselves.

Yes, it works as well as you would expect.
 
2009-11-03 10:17:17 AM  
ethics-gradient: Buffalo sounds like a crap place to invest your money.

FTFY
 
2009-11-03 10:17:39 AM  
abigsmurf: In the time between it being OK'ed for use in training and the training taking place, the judge reversed the decision. Although the police messed up not checking the status of the property on the day of the training (although it's possible the status wasn't actually updated depending on how long court paperwork takes to be processed), the home owner must've messed up pretty badly to get the house boarded up in the first place.

Look at the time lime.
"Last May, the city said the building had been brought up to code."
"A few weeks ago, a Buffalo Housing Court judge ordered that the building be boarded up."
"When the owner found out, he went to court and had the order rescinded.
That was last Monday."
"The next day, last Tuesday, the police and their dogs went in."

So, it was "up to code" in May, with "new plumbing and new electric and new heating systems". " "But the Common Council refused to give the owner permission to reopen the building because of objections from neighbors." Then, even though it was up to code, a judge orders it boarded up?? And the cops Immediately ("a few weeks") decide to use it for training?

This stinks to high heaven.
 
2009-11-03 10:18:32 AM  
It's Buffalo, you're an idiot for buying property there to begin with.
 
2009-11-03 10:18:41 AM  
It's only wrong when WE do it. Just remember that.
 
2009-11-03 10:21:27 AM  
Tat'dGreaser: It's Buffalo, you're an idiot for buying property there to begin with.

Agreed. I am glad I sold my house and got out without getting shot.

Although, I did see somebodies head get blown off in the street (broad daylight) while loading up the moving truck (4pm). So I have that going for me, which is nice.

/buyer doesn't know what she's in for
//buffalo survival kit = dog, alarm [cops ignore it anyway], firearm
///subby
 
2009-11-03 10:24:37 AM  
SaintAnky: Tat'dGreaser: It's Buffalo, you're an idiot for buying property there to begin with.

Agreed. I am glad I sold my house and got out without getting shot.

Although, I did see somebodies head get blown off in the street (broad daylight) while loading up the moving truck (4pm). So I have that going for me, which is nice.

/buyer doesn't know what she's in for
//buffalo survival kit = dog, alarm [cops ignore it anyway], firearm
///subby


Dang! Well, at least you've got comforting memories for those sleepless nights.
 
2009-11-03 10:26:25 AM  
SaintAnky: Tat'dGreaser: It's Buffalo, you're an idiot for buying property there to begin with.

Agreed. I am glad I sold my house and got out without getting shot.

Although, I did see somebodies head get blown off in the street (broad daylight) while loading up the moving truck (4pm). So I have that going for me, which is nice.

/buyer doesn't know what she's in for
//buffalo survival kit = dog, alarm [cops ignore it anyway], firearm
///subby


Meh. We're doing rent to own in Riverside. It's not such a bad neighborhood.

Try living in Philly awhile and you will realize that Buffalo may not be so hot, but there are a lot worse places to live and it's a heck of a lot cheaper.

Living on the east side was a nightmare though.
 
2009-11-03 10:34:46 AM  
wow - first the article about the fire fighters doing this, now the police are doing it?

lets hope the medics don't get any bright ideas for "training purposes"
 
2009-11-03 10:38:00 AM  
Yeah. OK. I think I'm getting the picture here, it's a picture of people who invest in Buffalo being warmly embraced while getting a swift knee in the groin.
Sounds more like the south of Italy than what I'd imagined of the USA.

/As a property owner I am not getting a kick.
//Not feeling quite such an urge to sell up and move to America.
 
2009-11-03 10:40:00 AM  
Mike DeGeorge is a shiatbird. He was a bad sportscaster and is now giving the public relations field a worse name than it already has.

What an ass.
 
2009-11-03 10:42:42 AM  
bush:

Zoning? Residential property is zoned residential whether its rental or owned.


No, there are several types of zoning. R1, R2, R4A, R4, R5, etc, etc. Each says what can and cant be done. For example, if a house can be used as a one family or two.

While it does not say you cant rent it out, it does dictate how many tennants you can have.
 
2009-11-03 10:49:00 AM  
roadmarks: SaintAnky: Tat'dGreaser: It's Buffalo, you're an idiot for buying property there to begin with.

Agreed. I am glad I sold my house and got out without getting shot.

Although, I did see somebodies head get blown off in the street (broad daylight) while loading up the moving truck (4pm). So I have that going for me, which is nice.

/buyer doesn't know what she's in for
//buffalo survival kit = dog, alarm [cops ignore it anyway], firearm
///subby

Meh. We're doing rent to own in Riverside. It's not such a bad neighborhood.

Try living in Philly awhile and you will realize that Buffalo may not be so hot, but there are a lot worse places to live and it's a heck of a lot cheaper.

Living on the east side was a nightmare though.


Heh. It's not Detroit, and it wasn't the east side, but the middle/lower west side (past grant) was very... "fun."

/wife used to work on the east side (e ferry)
//oh the stories
 
2009-11-03 10:51:10 AM  
LemSkroob: bush:

Zoning? Residential property is zoned residential whether its rental or owned.

No, there are several types of zoning. R1, R2, R4A, R4, R5, etc, etc. Each says what can and cant be done. For example, if a house can be used as a one family or two.

While it does not say you cant rent it out, it does dictate how many tennants you can have.


Yes, all I'm saying is that whether I choose to live in it or rent it out is up to me - as long as i own the place. Not the NIMBY neighbors.
 
2009-11-03 10:56:30 AM  
There is a very good reason why the city of Buffalo has the lowest real estate prices in the country.

/It was this way a couple years ago, and am assuming it still is
 
2009-11-03 11:01:23 AM  
FTFcomments: Believe me when I say that a few piles of dog poop smell a lot better than the vermin that will be living there when it opens as a boarding house.


LOLing at the Buffalo rocket surgeons that are defending the police in the Comments in the article. Dog-poo smells better than renters, thanks Spanky! In that case, the owner should be thankful or something?
 
2009-11-03 11:02:41 AM  
ethics-gradient: //Not feeling quite such an urge to sell up and move to America.

Move to Eastern Kentucky. The natives have all the class of Yorkshiremen and neighborliness of Welshmen. And we've got coal mines, too!
 
2009-11-03 11:12:28 AM  
PYROY: Me and a roommate once lived in this real shiathole duplex. We rarely cleaned, old food on the tables, dog crap on the floor, cigarette butts wherever they landed. We used to crack each other up when we'd get home at the same time (usually loaded), enter the house and act shocked "Dude, the pigs trashed our place! Pack your crap, we gotta get outta here, like NOW!"

How could you stand to live like that? Mental illness?
 
2009-11-03 11:21:36 AM  
Whiskey Dickens: FTFcomments: Believe me when I say that a few piles of dog poop smell a lot better than the vermin that will be living there when it opens as a boarding house.


LOLing at the Buffalo rocket surgeons that are defending the police in the Comments in the article. Dog-poo smells better than renters, thanks Spanky! In that case, the owner should be thankful or something?


What the hell are you talking about???

There are 4 comments there and not one single one defending the police. Projecting much?
 
2009-11-03 11:34:23 AM  
If there was only some sort of document signed by our founding fathers prohibiting this sort of thing....
 
2009-11-03 11:34:41 AM  
lolwut?
 
2009-11-03 11:40:19 AM  
Whiskey Dickens: FTFcomments: Believe me when I say that a few piles of dog poop smell a lot better than the vermin that will be living there when it opens as a boarding house.


LOLing at the Buffalo rocket surgeons that are defending the police in the Comments in the article. Dog-poo smells better than renters, thanks Spanky! In that case, the owner should be thankful or something?


Yeah I don't even read the comments on local news sites anymore. It's depressing to know that the average citizen is way dumber than the average Farker.
 
2009-11-03 11:42:11 AM  
Diadem: If there was only some sort of document signed by our founding fathers prohibiting this sort of thing....

"We hear about constitutional rights, free speech and the free press. Every time I hear those words I say to myself, 'That man is a Red, that man is a Communist.' You never heard a real American talk in that manner." - Frank Hague

Many people still have this attitude.
 
2009-11-03 11:42:56 AM  
Well, glad to see this news agency is doing it's part to show Hess sorts of offenses against the citizenry. Or not - "this article has been deleted or moved" message on the link.
 
2009-11-03 11:46:25 AM  
Subby is a lamer. Everyone know's it's always C.

This many posts and I'm the first to notice?

/slacking
 
2009-11-03 11:51:22 AM  
For when you really do not like your local government and neighbors.

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The Komatsu D355A.
 
2009-11-03 12:00:20 PM  
Pathman:
lets hope the medics don't get any bright ideas for "training purposes"


Not a goat owner by any chance, are you?
 
2009-11-03 12:00:30 PM  
PYROY: dog crap on the floor

thanks for making me feel better about the state of my apartment
 
2009-11-03 12:06:53 PM  
Pay the Man: it was Buffalo.

the owner was buffaloed?
 
2009-11-03 12:16:03 PM  
CaesarSneezy: Whiskey Dickens: FTFcomments: Believe me when I say that a few piles of dog poop smell a lot better than the vermin that will be living there when it opens as a boarding house.


LOLing at the Buffalo rocket surgeons that are defending the police in the Comments in the article. Dog-poo smells better than renters, thanks Spanky! In that case, the owner should be thankful or something?

Yeah I don't even read the comments on local news sites anymore. It's depressing to know that the average citizen is way dumber than the average Farker.


You should have - then you would know that the person you are quoting is a liar. There was no quote like that and not one single person defending the police.
 
2009-11-03 12:39:04 PM  
Pathman: wow - first the article about the fire fighters doing this, now the police are doing it?

lets hope the medics don't get any bright ideas for "training purposes"


Paramedics are easy. Ever wonder how physicians learn how to do prostate exams, pelvic exams, and pap smears?

/the answer is paid models (no, not fashion models).
//What ever they get paid to have 220/(# of models) fingers shoved up their butt isn't enough.
 
2009-11-03 12:46:16 PM  
roadmarks: CaesarSneezy: Whiskey Dickens: FTFcomments: Believe me when I say that a few piles of dog poop smell a lot better than the vermin that will be living there when it opens as a boarding house.


LOLing at the Buffalo rocket surgeons that are defending the police in the Comments in the article. Dog-poo smells better than renters, thanks Spanky! In that case, the owner should be thankful or something?

Yeah I don't even read the comments on local news sites anymore. It's depressing to know that the average citizen is way dumber than the average Farker.

You should have - then you would know that the person you are quoting is a liar. There was no quote like that and not one single person defending the police.


Someone removed it. I saw it too before he commented.
 
2009-11-03 12:51:55 PM  
ethics-gradient: Are they tards, very incurious or just not very observant?

All of the above.

/Aren't the FBI supposed to watch the watchmen and police the police?

Bwaaaahaaahahahhahahaaa! Yeah, right.
 
2009-11-03 01:33:26 PM  
/Aren't the FBI supposed to watch the watchmen and police the police?

mylonitic: Bwaaaahaaahahahhahahaaa! Yeah, right.

Hmmmm. I'm detecting just smidgeon of snark there.

But seriously, there does seem to be a correlation between the amount of power devolved out to the regions from the centre (as in Federal republics) and the potential for local political corruption as opposed to more rigid central control of a state/country/polity which breeds inefficiency.
 
2009-11-03 01:52:49 PM  
ethics-gradient:

/Aren't the FBI supposed to watch the watchmen and police the police?


No, they're not charged with any mission like that. Technically, the police are "policed" by the local government jurisdiction in which the police serve. But when they screw up, usually what happens is they get some kind of "police board" hearing to determine what happened. Essentially the police "police" themselves, which is why we get so many tard cops back on the streets in spite of shoddy or lazy work, or worse, in spite of a demonstrated record of excessive, unneccessary force.

It's unions, folks. We can't get rid of bad cops very easily because cops are unionized, which means that short of a cop straight up murdering someone basically in front of a TV news crew, if a cops screws up it has to go through a long and drawn out process of review, again usually by a board of other COPS (as opposed to non-partisan civilian/local "supervising" govt employees).

Watch that "Largest Street Gang in America" video. Provides a great example of two cops who basically blow away a guy who was in shock and suffering 3rd degree burns after a bad single car accident, because the man wouldn't (couldn't, he was in shock, and if you had 3rd degree burns and glass all over your body, would you want to lie down on pavement? Methinks not) comply with their order to lie down when they arrived at the scene. A "police panel/board" later cleared these guys of any wrongdoing and let them go back to work in spite of very damning testimony from several witnesses who had phoned in the accident and witnessed the shooting.

Can't say it enough: cops have no legal duty to protect your ass from anything or anyone. Like any other government employee, they look out for themselves. The difference is, this guys are the ones with the guns.
 
2009-11-03 02:33:11 PM  
medius: Pay the Man: it was Buffalo.

the owner was buffaloed?


Buffalowned.
 
2009-11-03 03:59:26 PM  
hiptics.files.wordpress.com

His feelings about the police are well known.
 
2009-11-03 04:01:25 PM  
whoops, wrong rapper...
www.rankopedia.com

Though I suppose Dre says "Fark the police" too
 
2009-11-03 04:14:05 PM  
This one is more on the city than the police IMO. It's up to the city to cancel all planned usages of the property once it's posession of said property becomes in dispute. That includes keeping track of the fact that the police were given leave to use it as a training facility and canceling said training.
 
2009-11-03 04:53:18 PM  
roadmarks: CaesarSneezy: Whiskey Dickens: FTFcomments: Believe me when I say that a few piles of dog poop smell a lot better than the vermin that will be living there when it opens as a boarding house.


LOLing at the Buffalo rocket surgeons that are defending the police in the Comments in the article. Dog-poo smells better than renters, thanks Spanky! In that case, the owner should be thankful or something?

Yeah I don't even read the comments on local news sites anymore. It's depressing to know that the average citizen is way dumber than the average Farker.

You should have - then you would know that the person you are quoting is a liar. There was no quote like that and not one single person defending the police.


Haha! Thanks asshole!
 
2009-11-03 04:55:55 PM  
roadmarks: You should have - then you would know that the person you are quoting is a liar. There was no quote like that and not one single person defending the police.

I am shocked -SHOCKED- to see that you are from Buffalo.

I drive through your town lots on the way to nicer places!
 
2009-11-03 05:18:39 PM  
When is a burglary not a burglary?

when it's ajar?
 
2009-11-03 06:08:51 PM  
I just realized I said both that I never read the comments and that I saw that comment. Let me rephrase- I generally don't, and when I do I stop after the first two or so.
 
2009-11-04 08:19:24 AM  
Aren't the FBI supposed to watch the watchmen and police the police?

Dr.Gonzo7719:
No, they're not charged with any mission like that... Essentially the police "police" themselves, ...

Obviously there must be millions of good cops in America and one only hears about the bad police.
But, there really should be some kind of powerful federal authority that all LEOs are accountable to.
Either that or one single US police force.

/Parts of America seem to have third world police.
 
2009-11-04 08:46:42 AM  
ethics-gradient: Aren't the FBI supposed to watch the watchmen and police the police?

Dr.Gonzo7719: No, they're not charged with any mission like that... Essentially the police "police" themselves, ...

Obviously there must be millions of good cops in America and one only hears about the bad police.
But, there really should be some kind of powerful federal authority that all LEOs are accountable to.
Either that or one single US police force.

/Parts of America seem to have third world police.


yeah - lets centralize and federalize a police force to be overseen by a government that hasn't declared war in almost 70 years yet has still been in military conflicts of various levels of legality almost constantly ever since. Conflicts where that same potential overseer has made little qualms about breaking domestic and international laws and treaties.

what else you got?
 
2009-11-04 09:34:44 AM  
Federal agency oversight then. Somebody needs to watch the watchmen.
Policing in the UK is bad enough but if it was straight out third world corruption and incompetence like Sicily we'd feel that it reflected badly on our country.
You're the United States of America, the most powerful nation on the face of the earth - you put men on the moon! Can't you hold a bunch of incompetents to higher standards? I reckon you could.
 
2009-11-04 09:37:45 AM  
ethics-gradient: Can't you hold a bunch of incompetents to higher standards?

no

you see, it's like instant replay in baseball...
 
2009-11-04 09:49:16 AM  
ethics-gradient: Federal agency oversight then. Somebody needs to watch the watchmen.
Policing in the UK is bad enough but if it was straight out third world corruption and incompetence like Sicily we'd feel that it reflected badly on our country.
You're the United States of America, the most powerful nation on the face of the earth - you put men on the moon! Can't you hold a bunch of incompetents to higher standards? I reckon you could.


i stopped reading taking you seriously after "somebody needs to watch the watchmen"

A huge percentage of the victims in Thailand had water within 24 hours after the tsunami. It took months for FEMA to make any progress (unless you consider spending a shiat load of money progress) after Katrina and there is still missing infrastructure in new orleans. here in the "most powerful nation in the world"

You can have your nanny-state government intervention - i'll stick with "a bunch of incompetents" who may behave like they're above the law, but at least they aren't the law.

oh and by the way the watchmen sucked ass. loved the book though.
 
2009-11-04 09:54:23 AM  
and i thought you were making a case to move to thailand
 
2009-11-04 01:58:46 PM  
Who watches the watchmen? Juvenal
 
2009-11-04 02:07:14 PM  
that's anachronistic

i think in juvenal's day they were called sundialmen
 
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