and so am I.

/wat

The article seemed pretty even handed to me. It is because it didn't paint the president as a unicorn factory? Oh that PITA meter...

I'm on Obama supporter and unless the liquor is screwing with my head, that was a very well reasoned article. No overwhelming BS bashing or praising.

I must have missed something. Exactly where did Obama say he'd have the wars, the economy, healthcare, education, etc resolved in a little more than 9 months?

Bootysama: I'm on Obama supporter and unless the liquor is screwing with my head, that was a very well reasoned article. No overwhelming BS bashing or praising.

Maybe it had something to do with this paragraph

"Where change has come, it has been incremental, not the stuff of a glorious presidential legacy."

At the risk of "B-b-but Bush"ing, I think heath care might be a bit harder to slip under people noses that the patriot act, given the circumstances. Maybe if it was called the America is Awesome act, and we were fighting sentient bacteria, it would work better.

AppleOptionEsc: Maybe if [...] we were fighting sentient bacteria, it would work better.

and if we had been actually attacked by a virus.

AppleOptionEsc:

At the risk of "B-b-but Bush"ing, I think heath care might be a bit harder to slip under people noses that the patriot act, given the circumstances. Maybe if it was called the America is Awesome act, and we were fighting sentient bacteria, it would work better.


It has nothing to do with how patriotic the name is. The Patriot Act wasn't going to reform an inefficient system that would deny major corporations billions and billions of dollars for major corporations. The Health Care act (if it has any teeth) will.

Mystery solved.

AppleOptionEsc: At the risk of "B-b-but Bush"ing, I think heath care might be a bit harder to slip under people noses that the patriot act, given the circumstances. Maybe if it was called the America is Awesome act, and we were fighting sentient bacteria, it would work better.

Be fair the 'Patriot Act' was crammed down our throat before we knew what was in it - one of the reasons that the current administration promised transparency. The Democrats are likely to pass a version of the health care bill, which is a watered-down pile of despicable trash. Granted, a watered-down pile of despicable trash is still going to be better than the current system, but hopes for exponential (and not incremental) gain were probably unrealistic.

I still support Obama - he has been far from perfect but I admire how much he is trying to accomplish. I halfway worry that it is a Don Quixote thing to try to change how Washington works, though - several of our last presidents ran on platforms of bipartisan cooperation and reformation, only to leave things the same or worse when they left.

AppleOptionEsc: ... and we were fighting sentient bacteria, it would work better.

As someone who knew rainbows and unicorns weren't possible, I don't see what the big deal is.

I wasn't well wishing, it was a was a warning.

Now Obama's unicorn cavalry will destroy us all with their rainbow rifles.

AppleOptionEsc: The article seemed pretty even handed to me. It is because it didn't paint the president as a unicorn factory? Oh that PITA meter...

PITA is bullshiat. It's usually set by the modmin who greens the submission not the submitter. And it's still bullshiat.

Incomptinence: I wasn't well wishing, it was a was a warning.

Now Obama's unicorn cavalry will destroy make us all fabulous with their rainbow rifles.

FTFY

/ that I actually think that, but it would have made a better troll if conservative fishin.

Notabunny: I must have missed something. Exactly where did Obama say he'd have the wars, the economy, healthcare, education, etc resolved in a little more than 9 months?

When you endlessly go on about CHANGE in your election campaign, make it part of your slogan and endlessly go on about it in speeches , people tend to take that as meaning that he will go all out to make big changes as soon as he's in power, not that there may be a subtle shift in policy that may become evident in a few years.

Obama hasn't changed anything since he's gotten into office. Also, he keeps trying to ram all these changes down our throats. Truly he's a menace to the American way of life.

Honestly, Obama has been such a change from Bush that if we didn't mostly want it we'd be suffering from a kind of national whiplash. In politics, this is known as a big change. Ask the rest of the world.

To me, change represents a re-introduction of competency and pragmatism into our political sphere. The Last Occupant pursued a littany of horrible policies at the expense of my nation. America became a dirty word overseas and I was used to my country making poor decisions one after another.

Perhaps Obama didn't bring a big enough of a broom to the White House but whose fault is that really?

chrischris451: Perhaps Obama didn't bring a big enough of a broom to the White House but whose fault is that really?

He brought a mop maybe that was his problem.

/POOKIE!!!

Rodeodoc: That's what Barbie said about math. And as a previous Obama supporter, it appears his mental faculties are on about Barbie's level.

Riiiiiggght, you were an Obama supporter, suuuuuuuure.

soy_bomb

Don't forget your Cousin Ray-Ray! He would be upset at the exclusion.

Bring on the videos!

doglover: Rainbows are soft... they're made of mist. Easy to make too.

How come I don't see them more often?dazuwood: several of our last presidents ran on platforms of bipartisan cooperation and reformation, only to leave things the same or worse when they left.

"Change" doesn't necessarily imply "for the better."

You mean, jibjab LIED to me?

/new window

Rodeodoc: That's what Barbie said about math. And as a previous Obama supporter, it appears his mental faculties are on about Barbie's level.

To be fair, he's trying to make his point, which means he has to use language his citizens can understand.

Thorak: To be fair, he's trying to make his point, which means he has to use language his citizens can understand.

Arabic?

Shvetz: Obama hasn't changed anything since he's gotten into office. Also, he keeps trying to ram all these changes down our throats. Truly he's a menace to the American way of life.



*observation not applicable in the event of sarcasm.

/not sure if serious

That is indeed sarcasm. But it speaks volumes that it is even remotely difficult to ascertain.

Obama:

moves too fast / "dithers"
is the same as bush / is pushing us dangerously toward socialism
is a cynical Chicago politician / is a babe in the woods

Sodium Benzoate: AppleOptionEsc: Maybe if [...] we were fighting sentient bacteria, it would work better.

and if we had been actually attacked by a virus.



Approves heartily?

beelzebubba76: Sodium Benzoate: AppleOptionEsc: Maybe if [...] we were fighting sentient bacteria, it would work better.

and if we had been actually attacked by a virus.



Approves heartily?

Actually I do like Obama, but I think he's too much of a consensus builder to push the changes through that he wants to see, quickly enough.

/Tough decisions need balls of brass and skin of worn leather.

Notabunny: I must have missed something. Exactly where did Obama say he'd have the wars, the economy, healthcare, education, etc resolved in a little more than 9 months?

Heck, it took a year for W to even go to war in the first place.

An authorization by Congress was sought by President George W. Bush soon after his September 12, 2002 statement before the U.N. General Assembly asking for quick action by the Security Council in enforcing the resolutions against Iraq.

abigsmurf: When you endlessly go on about CHANGE in your election campaign, make it part of your slogan and endlessly go on about it in speeches , people tend to take that as meaning that he will go all out to make big changes as soon as he's in power, not that there may be a subtle shift in policy that may become evident in a few years.

Not being a Republicant was a big change. Not being Bush was a really big change. He's a black guy? That's a big change...

All in all, those are changes that I believe in. That is to say, I believe them to be changes.

Now...if only we can get politicians to admit this during the campaigning. Either Obama was truly naive or he was deceiptful (like many who came before him). Obama's only problem was that people voted for him because they actually believed the political rhetoric. Now they are forced to defend that same rhetoric. We all knew that it wasn't that simple. So now he should have to explain why he made it sound so.

beelzebubba76 2009-11-02 09:58:35 AM
beelzebubba76: Sodium Benzoate: AppleOptionEsc: Maybe if [...] we were fighting sentient bacteria, it would work better.

and if we had been actually attacked by a virus.



Approves heartily?

Actually I do like Obama, but I think he's too much of a consensus builder to push the changes through that he wants to see, quickly enough.

/Tough decisions need balls of brass and skin of worn leather.

Uhhh...didn't Obama run on bipartisanship and changing the"tone" in DC????

Eddie Barzoom 2009-11-02 09:04:52 AM
That is indeed sarcasm. But it speaks volumes that it is even remotely difficult to ascertain.

Obama:

moves too fast / "dithers"
is the same as bush / is pushing us dangerously toward socialism
is a cynical Chicago politician / is a babe in the woods

It is all a matter of which personailty he chooses on each subject. But you knew that, right? Because you could not be that simple.

commonsensepolitics: beelzebubba76 2009-11-02 09:58:35 AM
beelzebubba76: Sodium Benzoate: AppleOptionEsc: Maybe if [...] we were fighting sentient bacteria, it would work better.

and if we had been actually attacked by a virus.



Approves heartily?

Actually I do like Obama, but I think he's too much of a consensus builder to push the changes through that he wants to see, quickly enough.

/Tough decisions need balls of brass and skin of worn leather.

Uhhh...didn't Obama run on bipartisanship and changing the"tone" in DC????

That is true, perhaps most people were swept away by the rhetoric. Anyways, it's been just 9 months, give the guy some time before you begin to pass judgment.

beelzebubba76 2009-11-02 10:39:42 AM
commonsensepolitics: beelzebubba76 2009-11-02 09:58:35 AM
beelzebubba76: Sodium Benzoate: AppleOptionEsc: Maybe if [...] we were fighting sentient bacteria, it would work better.

and if we had been actually attacked by a virus.



Approves heartily?

Actually I do like Obama, but I think he's too much of a consensus builder to push the changes through that he wants to see, quickly enough.

/Tough decisions need balls of brass and skin of worn leather.

Uhhh...didn't Obama run on bipartisanship and changing the"tone" in DC????

That is true, perhaps most people were swept away by the rhetoric. Anyways, it's been just 9 months, give the guy some time before you begin to pass judgment.

You see, that's just it. I knew when he was campaigning that most of what he was saying could not be done immediately. It goes to the understanding that a president is limited by Congress (rightfully so if you believe in true representation). The problem I have is for years voters have been sucked down the rabbit hole by politicians who promise the world and deliver little. Voters ahould demand an honest assessment of opportunities instead of believing in miracles. Politicians, including Obama, should not campaign on pie-in-the-sky platitudes. He is not the only one to do it...but he is the current liar in chief.

Rainbows and unicorns...

Davey Croquette: Obama's only problem was that people voted for him because they actually believed the political rhetoric.

American youth are suckers of the highest order. Their skepticism is rarer than a Catholic hymen.

Not anymore, sorry to say. Kids today are raised on easy access to information, and they like it. The ability to marginalize youth while also keeping spoon-fed olds comfortable in their prejudices is slipping away from the establishment. When you lie to your base to keep them happy/angry/motivated, the kids also see it. Even worse, they see it in concentrated form via repackagers like the Daily Show and media matters, etc. And they raise their beautiful, smooth young multiracial eyebrows.

Eli's comin', GOP.

It's always the most fun when the cow does not see the train.

Moo

abigsmurf: When you endlessly go on about CHANGE in your election campaign, make it part of your slogan and endlessly go on about it in speeches , people tend to take that as meaning that he will go all out to make big changes as soon as he's in power, not that there may be a subtle shift in policy that may become evident in a few years.

Then those people tend to not understand how our government works.

Eddie Barzoom Not anymore, sorry to say. Kids today are raised on easy access to information, and they like it. The ability to marginalize youth while also keeping spoon-fed olds comfortable in their prejudices is slipping away from the establishment

The youth is the farking establishment....they are just too stupid to realize it.

CitizenTed 2009-11-02 01:10:34 PM
As I recall, Obama made it quite clear during and after the campaign that "turning the ship of state" is a slow, laborious process akin to changing the course of an aircraft carrier. I thought it was refreshing to hear a presidential candidate admit that he could not possibly offer the kind of instant unicorn gratification that people expect. He was quite clear that the road ahead would be slow-going and difficult.

So, whence all the criticisms that Obama promised us instant unicorns and rainbows? Let me guess: a figment of the fevered freeper brain.

Campaign quotes please.