Poor Bucs.

I grew a special area of hatred for them after being my team in the last Superbowl appearance by both, but now I just feel sad.

Oh and I was off the mark, I said Titans would be the last team to get a win. I guess having VY start shook things up a bit.

Wow, they really suck don't they. When will they get their Boobies-Garcia victory?

/filterpwned!

Gruden is laughing all the way to the bank, just like he did when he got shown the door by the Raiders

That_Dude: Wow, they really suck don't they. When will they get their Boobies-Garcia victory?

/filterpwned!

er, post-gruden and that didn't work

That's my problem with a lot of franchises. They are forced to win now.

There are a lot of great coaches that have had ups and downs, but once they get the players they need, they win. Bill Cowher was great early on, then had good to mediocre teams, before getting all the players together for a SB victory.

Gruden probably needed a couple of years and some good players to win again. I could be wrong, but he did turn the Raiders into winners, and won a SB, so I think if they gave him a chance he may have done good things.

Dr. Frisbee: Gruden probably needed a couple of years and some good players to win again. I could be wrong, but he did turn the Raiders into winners, and won a SB, so I think if they gave him a chance he may have done good things.

To be fair, he won a Superbowl using a team that Tony Dungy built and the team he played against, he had designed the play book for. I like Gruden, but one has to wonder if he'd have any rings had he not had that very fortunate set of circumstances dropped into his lap.

InferiousX: Dr. Frisbee: Gruden probably needed a couple of years and some good players to win again. I could be wrong, but he did turn the Raiders into winners, and won a SB, so I think if they gave him a chance he may have done good things.

To be fair, he won a Superbowl using a team that Tony Dungy built and the team he played against, he had designed the play book for. I like Gruden, but one has to wonder if he'd have any rings had he not had that very fortunate set of circumstances dropped into his lap.

Considering the Raiders got jobbed out of the playoffs the previous year, I don't think anyone really doubts that the Raiders that lost to Tampa would have been a serious championship contender WITH Gruden. I would suggest that the Raiders wouldn't have collapsed in the subsequent years either, considering how inept a head coach Callahan has proven to be at Oakland and Nebraska.

InferiousX:
To be fair, he won a Superbowl using a team that Tony Dungy built and the team he played against, he had designed the play book for. I like Gruden, but one has to wonder if he'd have any rings had he not had that very fortunate set of circumstances dropped into his lap.

That is very true. But the team he helped build made it to the Super Bowl also. And even though he had trouble with QBs and other positions, at least the Bucs were wining once in awhile.

I mean you never know what will happen. A head coach has it tough, because he can't do it all. There are assistants that call plays, employ schemes, and teach the players. It's up to him to keep it all in check.

Asst. coaches come and go, players come and go, and a decent coach can at least win games no matter what. He definitely didn't do worse than what is currently happening. ALthough he did end last season on a down note.

They're still not as bad as Washington, Cleveland, or St. Louis.

InferiousX: I grew a special area of hatred for them after being my team in the last Superbowl appearance by both, but now I just feel sad.

I still hate them. Not as much as the Pats or anyone else in the AFC West, but they're next on the list.

So the Titans get a win just days after Bullock and Lendale write an apology letter and raise money for the charity that is supported by the Terrible Towel. hmmm...

pelzo63: So the Titans get a win just days after Bullock and Lendale write an apology letter and raise money for the charity that is supported by the Terrible Towel. hmmm...

Bollocks!

If I had not tuned in to MNF this year, I would say that this season proves Gruden is a smart guy. However, the guy gave credit to Belichick for McKelvin's fumble in the first game of the season. I'd like to claim that nerves got the best of the booth rookie, but that was just such an idiotic statement.

After the St. Louis Rams got their first victory of the season by beating the Detroit Lions 17-10

Defeating the Lions doesn't count as a victory.

/only a not-loss

Grey Street: They're still not as bad as Washington, Cleveland, or St. Louis.

Well, they lost to Washington so yes they are worse than Washington. I'm not convinced they could beat the St. Louis Steven Jacksons either.

Grey Street: They're still not as bad as Washington, Cleveland, or St. Louis.

Yes, they are.

/Bucs fan
//The new GM is to blame; they traded (for draft picks)/cut any veteran talent the team had. They overpaid for both Kellen Winslow and Derrick Ward.
///Down the road, trading Gaines Adams to the Bears for a 2nd round pick will be looked back upon as a steal for the Bears. I still have yet to hear a convincing argument from the team as to why they did this.
////Oh, and one more slashie!! Josh Freeman will be a bust. I hope I am wrong, but I don't think I am going to be.

pelzo63: So the Titans get a win just days after Bullock and Lendale write an apology letter and raise money for the charity that is supported by the Terrible Towel. hmmm...

THE TOWEL CURSE IS LIFTED! And Vince will lead the Titans to a 10-6 record and a Wild Card playoff spot!

//Wants to believe.

waggz: Grey Street: They're still not as bad as Washington, Cleveland, or St. Louis.

Yes, they are.

/Bucs fan
//The new GM is to blame; they traded (for draft picks)/cut any veteran talent the team had. They overpaid for both Kellen Winslow and Derrick Ward.
///Down the road, trading Gaines Adams to the Bears for a 2nd round pick will be looked back upon as a steal for the Bears. I still have yet to hear a convincing argument from the team as to why they did this.
////Oh, and one more slashie!! Josh Freeman will be a bust. I hope I am wrong, but I don't think I am going to be.

Getting rid of Gaines Adams makes no sense whatsoever. If you are a young team in rebuilding then you keep your young talent. It seems that there is a lack of talent on the defense especially along the defensive line. I don't get this move at all. Getting rid of Ronde Barber would make more sense. By the time you guys are good again he'll be gone anayway so you might as well get something for him. I guarentee there is a contender out there that needs a CB. I'd ship him out for a 3rd rounder.

Gonz: pelzo63: So the Titans get a win just days after Bullock and Lendale write an apology letter and raise money for the charity that is supported by the Terrible Towel. hmmm...

THE TOWEL CURSE IS LIFTED! And Vince will lead the Titans to a 10-6 record and a Wild Card playoff spot!

//Wants to believe.

That would be astronomically awesome. I couldn't believe how well he played, but I'm not ready to get my hopes up for him just yet.

robsul82 2009-11-02 02:32:10 AM Hey, it's awesome only having one team seriously competing for the division crown.
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Tell that to the Cardinals. Their division is AWFUL. They wouldn't even have made it to the playoffs last year if the division wasn't a steaming pile of poo.

And the only reason they'll probably make it THIS year is because their division is a steaming pile of poo.

jake3988: Tell that to the Cardinals. Their division is AWFUL. They wouldn't even have made it to the playoffs last year if the division wasn't a steaming pile of poo.

I think Cardinals and 9ers are both solid teams this year, just a bit short on inconsistency.

And I know "only a W counts" etc, but you can't ignore that the 9ers were within a hair's breath of beating the Vikings and staging a huge comeback against the Texans, in addition to being the first team all year to manhandle the Colts O Line.

The shiat sandwich belongs to the AFC West this season. Chiefs, Raiders, and (even though their fans mostly don't admit it yet) Chargers all stink.

Dafatone: jake3988: robsul82 2009-11-02 02:32:10 AM Hey, it's awesome only having one team seriously competing for the division crown.
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Tell that to the Cardinals. Their division is AWFUL. They wouldn't even have made it to the playoffs last year if the division wasn't a steaming pile of poo.

And the only reason they'll probably make it THIS year is because their division is a steaming pile of poo.

Hey! The Niners are going to suck their way into competition in the West. Just you wait!

Actually Alex Smith has been looking pretty good. I think they will win some ball games very soon. He is developing a rapport with Crabtree and Vernon Davis. I would not be surprised if they went on a tear.

Their schedule isn't too hard either. They have:

Tenn
CHI
GB
JAC
SEA
ARI
PHI
DET
STL

You may laugh but I think they can win 8 of those games. I just don't see them beating Philly at home.

spacechicken170am: Their schedule isn't too hard either. They have:

Tenn
CHI
GB
JAC
SEA
ARI
PHI
DET
STL

You may laugh but I think they can win 8 of those games. I just don't see them beating Philly at home.

Out of that remaining schedule, the only teams I'd say they have ANY business losing to are the Cardinals and the Eagles. They should stomp everyone else on the remainder of that schedule.

The way their defense got to Peyton Manning this week, means they should get about 85 sacks on Aaron Rodgers, so thats why I'm saying they beat GB.

Sirsky: That would be astronomically awesome. I couldn't believe how well he played, but I'm not ready to get my hopes up for him just yet.

You go ahead and be all reasonable if you want. Me, I'm gonna happily knee-jerk, and declare Vince the MVP over Breesus. He's going to win multiple Super Bowls on his way to the Hall of Fame.

They're still not as bad as Washington, Cleveland, or St. Louis.

Cleveland's single win, by a 6-3 score, should have an asterisk on it. And I heard ESPN last night detail the more than $30 million that Lerner owes the fired Browns' coaching staff.

To be fair, the Bucs didn't lose on Sunday either.

spacechicken170am: Getting rid of Gaines Adams makes no sense whatsoever.

Well, considering the Bucs passed on Adrian Peterson (granted they had just drafted a running back the previous year, but how could you pass on that), I'd say that needs to be the benchmark. Is Gaines Adams an impact player of Peterson's caliber? Obviously not. Is he even an impact player at all? Obviously not. He gets 2 tackles a game on average; with one sack every 3 games on average. He is filling a roster spot and not much more.

He has one move. It is an outside speed move and LTs know that is all he has. He has no strengh to come off a block on an inside move and whenever he tries it, he is either pancaked or so innefective it's like the LT gets to take a play off.

Kiffin worked for 2 years with this guy to develop other techniques and he couldn't do it. Kiffin has the ability to get the most out of guys who would be benchwarmers on most teams and he couldn't get jack out of this guy. Getting a second rounder for him is a steal. He's a bust. He looks bad on paper and worse in game. Time to move on.

InferiousX: jake3988: Tell that to the Cardinals. Their division is AWFUL. They wouldn't even have made it to the playoffs last year if the division wasn't a steaming pile of poo.

I think Cardinals and 9ers are both solid teams this year, just a bit short on inconsistency.

And I know "only a W counts" etc, but you can't ignore that the 9ers were within a hair's breath of beating the Vikings and staging a huge comeback against the Texans, in addition to being the first team all year to manhandle the Colts O Line.

The shiat sandwich belongs to the AFC West this season. Chiefs, Raiders, and (even though their fans mostly don't admit it yet) Chargers all stink.

You forgot the Broncos. Everyone knows they suck too!

It makes me happy we're not talking about the Dolphins anymore in these worst in the league discussions....

/but nothing makes me happier than seeing Rex Ryan's mad/indignant face on the sidelines...

Playing like this they need to go back to their orange colors.

ericb1228: Playing like this they need to go back to their orange colors.

Uh, that's exactly what they're doing this Sunday against Green Bay. Maybe they can convince Vinny Testeverde to come out of retirement one last time for that game.

iamskibibitz: Maybe they can convince Vinny Testeverde to come out of retirement one last time for that game.

Steve Deberg !! I've always been strangely impressed with him for reasons that will soon be clear.

Walsh drafts him in SF then soon thereafter drafts Montana. Bye bye Steve.
Deberg lands on the Broncos, who soon draft Elway. Bye bye Steve.
Then he lands in Tampa Bay, who soon draft Young and Testaverde. Bye bye Steve.

and cut/pasting from the wikipedia
DeBerg passed for over 34,000 career yards, and ranks in the top 20 all-time for attempts, completions, and yards passing. DeBerg's best years were with the Chiefs, during which he led the team to two playoff berths and had his best year in 1990 with a 96.3 quarterback rating, passing for 3,444 yards, 23 touchdowns and only 4 interceptions. Chronologically, most of his career was spent in a back-up role, and he never spent more than 64 games with any one team.

DeBerg also acquired a reputation for playing through particularly gruesome or unique injuries. He played with laryngitis and wore a portable amplifier during regular season games with San Francisco. He also played with an exposed metal pin sticking out of his finger in a Chiefs playoff victory in 1990. In 1993, he left a Dolphins game versus the New York Giants battered and bloodied after taking a helmet to the chin, only to return to the game following halftime.


/go phins

Gonna go watch The Chucky and Jaws Show

As long as we have Raheem "Radio" Morris as head coach this team is going to look pitiful. The guy has a perfect record as a Defensive Coordinator. Slight problem with that stat. He became D Coordinator and never coached a game as D coordinator because Gruden got fired and he got promoted to head coach. From a Defensive backs goach to head coach in less than 3 weeks.


Slashies///

Radio says "Whea mai Pie?"

Raheem Morris = Herm Edwards without all the wins.