Common shareholders, however, will be out of luck. CIT said all existing common and preferred stock will be cancelled upon emergence from bankruptcy protection. That would likely include preferred stock from the $2.3 billion in funding from the U.S. government's Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) the company received in its efforts to stay afloat

In case you were wondering that that meant, CIT just stole $2.3 billion dollars of US taxpayer money.

Weaver95: Common shareholders, however, will be out of luck. CIT said all existing common and preferred stock will be cancelled upon emergence from bankruptcy protection. That would likely include preferred stock from the $2.3 billion in funding from the U.S. government's Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) the company received in its efforts to stay afloat

In case you were wondering that that meant, CIT just stole $2.3 billion dollars of US taxpayer money.

All thanks to chairman Obamao....

NeauxFear: Weaver95: In case you were wondering that that meant, CIT just stole $2.3 billion dollars of US taxpayer money.

A federal judge has to approve it first. Should be interesting. Smart money is one the judge converting TARP PS shares into a straight loan, but still canceling the actual shares.

the way we've been running lately, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a federal judge sign off on the plan.

dprathbun: Was there ever any doubt?

of course not. But every time I told people that CIT and BoA were due for a collapse, I was accused of being a conspiracy theorist or alarmist kook.

So far i'm half right. Now I'm waiting for BoA to go under and leave the taxpayers another couple billion in the hole.

Weaver95: dprathbun: Was there ever any doubt?

of course not. But every time I told people that CIT and BoA were due for a collapse, I was accused of being a conspiracy theorist or alarmist kook.

So far i'm half right. Now I'm waiting for BoA to go under and leave the taxpayers another couple billion in the hole.

According to the petition, CIT's largest unsecured claim holders were Bank of America Corp., as collateral agent for a $7.5 billion claim, and Bank of New York Mellon Corp., as a trustee for retail bonds with a claim of $3.2 billion. Canadian senior unsecured notes have a claim for $2.1 billion, and Citigroup Inc. also has a $2.1 billion claim as an administrative agent to bank debt due 2010.

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Hender: Out of curiosity, though, would you have preferred that the Feds do nothing to begin with? Or at least try and prop them up?

If it were up to me, I'd have used the leverage to reorganize the corporation from the ground floor on up. I'd have fired every single f*cking idiot on that board of directors, tossed the CEO and CFO out on their asses and done a complete audit of the bank. Anyone caught with their hands in the cookie jar would be facing jail time. Anyone complaining about it wouldn't get a bailout.

By the time I was done, there would be 4 new, smaller and more efficent companies with brand spanking new managment. the government would be a majority stake holder in the companies (with voting stock), and absolutely nobody on wall street would be happy with me at all. But they'd learn the price of being 'too big to fail'...and that price is that they get reduced to a more manageable size.

canetguy: Weaver95: dprathbun: Was there ever any doubt?

of course not. But every time I told people that CIT and BoA were due for a collapse, I was accused of being a conspiracy theorist or alarmist kook.

So far i'm half right. Now I'm waiting for BoA to go under and leave the taxpayers another couple billion in the hole.

According to the petition, CIT's largest unsecured claim holders were Bank of America Corp., as collateral agent for a $7.5 billion claim, and Bank of New York Mellon Corp., as a trustee for retail bonds with a claim of $3.2 billion. Canadian senior unsecured notes have a claim for $2.1 billion, and Citigroup Inc. also has a $2.1 billion claim as an administrative agent to bank debt due 2010.

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ugggg. source (new window)

canetguy: canetguy: Weaver95: dprathbun: Was there ever any doubt?

of course not. But every time I told people that CIT and BoA were due for a collapse, I was accused of being a conspiracy theorist or alarmist kook.

So far i'm half right. Now I'm waiting for BoA to go under and leave the taxpayers another couple billion in the hole.

According to the petition, CIT's largest unsecured claim holders were Bank of America Corp., as collateral agent for a $7.5 billion claim, and Bank of New York Mellon Corp., as a trustee for retail bonds with a claim of $3.2 billion. Canadian senior unsecured notes have a claim for $2.1 billion, and Citigroup Inc. also has a $2.1 billion claim as an administrative agent to bank debt due 2010.

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ugggg. source (new window)

hmm. now why does that not make me feel any better...

Hender: OMG Socialist!

Nah - you make a deal with the devil, it should have consequences. Wall street needs a kick in the nads. And the ONLY thing those farking bastards respect is ruthelessness. CEOs only care about something when it costs them money. Not their company money - THEM personally. So when they run their corp into the ground, I feel it's only fair to make a memorable example out of their violated corpse as a warning to others who might be a bit confused about the proper role of government in the financial sector.

Weaver95: Hender: Out of curiosity, though, would you have preferred that the Feds do nothing to begin with? Or at least try and prop them up?

If it were up to me, I'd have used the leverage to reorganize the corporation from the ground floor on up. I'd have fired every single f*cking idiot on that board of directors, tossed the CEO and CFO out on their asses and done a complete audit of the bank. Anyone caught with their hands in the cookie jar would be facing jail time. Anyone complaining about it wouldn't get a bailout.

By the time I was done, there would be 4 new, smaller and more efficent companies with brand spanking new managment. the government would be a majority stake holder in the companies (with voting stock), and absolutely nobody on wall street would be happy with me at all. But they'd learn the price of being 'too big to fail'...and that price is that they get reduced to a more manageable size.

see, now someone like Teddy Roosevelt would have had the stones to do this. Truman, most likely. Eisenhower and Kennedy maybe. LBJ, maybe even Nixon would have done this.

None of the presidents we've had since Nixon would have had the stones to do this. Sadly, Even Obama falls into that group.

Hender: Setting executive bonuses is a start.

which of course will have the "conservatives"^* thrown into a screaming fit about socialism.

And quite frankly I'm just sick of their constant yapping and whining.

I just wish Obama would do something spectacularly good, so spectacular, that the morons would be left absolutely sputtering and speechless, unable to come up with even the slightest negative spin.

*Not to be confused with people who think small government is a good thing.

The USA is getting so farking scary.

Send lawyers, guns, and money!

/went home with a waitress
//the way I always do
///how was I to know
////she was with the Russians too

jake_lex: Send lawyers, guns, and money!

/went home with a waitress
//the way I always do
///how was I to know
////she was with the Russians too

I am so glad I did not have to make that reference. Kudos to you.

And CIT gets to rework a loan it got from Goldman Sachs.

Funny, I can't rework the 30 percent interest rates on my debt. If only I was a huge conglomerate.

Unknown_Poltroon: Why the fark is the dow futures going up????

because the market is run by idiots.

Fark It: All thanks to chairman Obamao....

Situations like this explain why we need a public option. It's terrible to trust our health to large corporations. If they are willing to try fractional banking, why wouldn't they try fractional transfusions?

Hender: Out of curiosity, though, would you have preferred that the Feds do nothing to begin with? Or at least try and prop them up?

BofA was in pretty good shape until the Feds forced them to buy Merrill Lynch, so yes, in that case.

Wow... a whole lot of crazy in this thread.


OMG Dunkin' Donut's lender went under! We're all gonna die!

Seriously, CIT is not that big of a deal. Relax, the apocalypse is not upon us, yet.

NewportBarGuy: Wow... a whole lot of crazy in this thread.


OMG Dunkin' Donut's lender went under! We're all gonna die!

Seriously, CIT is not that big of a deal. Relax, the apocalypse is not upon us, yet.

115 banks so far this year. i'm a bit concerned.