I am shocked that Joe Liebermann is a hypocritical douchebag.

Nabb1: Oops. Well, it would just cause confusion in younger folks watching "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" if we did away with it.

Not of we rolled it back to that format. Currently 40 Senators can tag-team one. In the old days, the other 39 could do nothing but watch as one guy carried the load for the whole side.

Bring that back. Who's going to be the one, and how long can their bladder hold?

Sadly, this kind of sh*t happens so frequently that it doesn't even matter. Please see Republicans re: Governor Sanford for a recent perfect example of how this kind of crap is completely ignored.

Nabb1: That's good enough to vote in New Orleans or Chicago

Hehe, my favorite quote from Huey Long is about his favorite voting precinct in NOLA: Lafayette #1.

_{/It's a cemetery}

Lieberman said he fully expected to campaign for Republicans next fall,

This is not a repeat from Fall, 2007...

The biggest shame is that Connecticut has such a love of electing con artists and hucksters to national positions.

/Must represent the population

He was also for universal health care, back when it was just a talking point.

It's not ironic when you are a grandstanding, lying sack of shiat.

Gosling: Currently 40 Senators can tag-team one.

And yet they never have to.

Honest question here: Why don't the Dems actually MAKE the Republicans filibuster? As in, allow them to actually stand up there and talk for 48 hours straight? I bet they wouldn't be able to do it, and even if they did it would just make them seem even more obstructionist in the eyes of the public.

So why not say, "OK, Senator. The floor is yours. But the first time you take a bathroom break, the adults get to vote?"

I'm from CT, can we impeach him, like now?

Jimmie Stewart would have kicked Joe Lieberman in the nuts.

Repeatedly.

NewEnglandGangster: I'm from CT, can we impeach him, like now?

It's called a recall

moothemagiccow: NewEnglandGangster: I'm from CT, can we impeach him, like now?

It's called a recall

Eighteen states permit the recall of state officials:

Alaska
Arizona
California
Colorado
Georgia
Idaho


Kansas
Louisiana
Michigan
Minnesota
Montana
Nevada


New Jersey
North Dakota
Oregon
Rhode Island
Washington
Wisconsin

He is the reason everyone hates the jews.

I believe after this travesty you Demos are no longer allowed to have faux outrage or discuss hypocrisy.

patrick767: I am shocked that Joe Liebermann is a hypocritical douchebag.

SHOCKED, I say!

sendtodave: Eighteen states permit the recall of state officials:

LIEberman isn't a state official.

I say get rid of the Senate. Small states can EABOD.

patrick767: I am shocked that Joe Liebermann is a hypocritical douchebag.

Well he was a Democrat, so that comes with the territory.

This new 60 vote minimum rule that has developed in the US senate is a TRAVESTY of democratic principles. Oh yeah yeah, I'm sure fark independents will rush to explain how it's really designed to ensure that the majority doesn't steamroll over the minority. But this "safeguard" comes at the expense of real legislative change. The 60 vote minimum is simply a political handicap that has crept into our system to ensure that significant legislative change gets stymied at every opportunity.

The Senate already protects minority populations just by its design: California has 30,000,000 people, and Wyoming has half a million people but they both only get two senators. And yet, the fact that a Wyoming voter has 60 times more influence over the Senate compared to a Californian voter is not enough protection for the minority.

Britney Spear's Speculum: LIEberman isn't a state official.

wat

How to Recall a U.S. Senator

Consider your location. Few states allow for a recall of a senator-only 18 and the District of Columbia. If you're not living in one of these states you have no constitutional rights to recall.

keytronic: And yet, the fact that a Wyoming voter has 60 times more influence over the Senate compared to a Californian voter is not enough protection for the minority.

Same with representatives:

Wyoming pop: 532,668
Wyoming reps: 1

1/532,668 = 1.87734198 × 10-6
==================================
California pop: 36,756,666
California reps: 53

53/36,756,666 = 1.44191532 × 10-6
==================================
1.87X10^-6 > 1.44X10^-6

sendtodave: wat

wat


U.S. Senators != State officials

Britney Spear's Speculum:
U.S. Senators != State officials

Tell it to these guys.

Recall of State Officials (new window)

A state senator was recalled in 1913. In 1914, one senator was recalled and another survived a recall attempt. Not until 1994 was another state recall election held, and the senator involved in that attempt - David Roberti - won 59 percent of the vot

sendtodave: A state senator

Do you not understand that there are state-level senators, as in not senators that represent the state in the federal government, but senators who represent a part of a state in that state's, state-level legislature?


/state

Yes, he lost that fight, Subby. Certainly from now on he should only let those who he disagrees with use every trick in the book permitted by the rules and himself only use a much smaller subset.

/Because that would make the far left wackos who hate him, love him instead.

Rug Doctor: Honest question here: Why don't the Dems actually MAKE the Republicans filibuster? As in, allow them to actually stand up there and talk for 48 hours straight? I bet they wouldn't be able to do it, and even if they did it would just make them seem even more obstructionist in the eyes of the public.

So why not say, "OK, Senator. The floor is yours. But the first time you take a bathroom break, the adults get to vote?"

Because, sadly, that's not how filibusters work anymore. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington is not an accurate portrayal. You don't actually have to filibuster. You just have to state your intent to filibuster, and by Senate rules, you have. Someone has to proactively call a vote to stop the filibuster (which you aren't actually performing), rather than you performing effort to maintain it.

Abagadro: sendtodave: A state senator

Do you not understand that there are state-level senators, as in not senators that represent the state in the federal government, but senators who represent a part of a state in that state's, state-level legislature?


/state

Oh. That makes sense.

/hums quietly

I'm in the camp that the Dems should force the filibuster. Make the GOP gasbags in the Senate prove precisely how committed they are. Keep the issue open indefinitely and see how long they can go. What will they talk about? What do they have to say for themselves? Perhaps the strongest case for electing more Democrats to office is hearing a Republican speak. Put the spotlight on 'em, I say.

The only thing I think should be able to be filibustered are judicial appointments as they are about the only thing that can't be undone once approved. Everything else should be simple majority. Although the real solution is to stop sending douchebag assholes to Congress.

The Only Good Moran: You're a republican, so I guess it comes with the terrority that you're a bitter hatemonger, a Bush-worshipper, and wish for terrorist strikes on Obama's watch.

You forgot to mention the closet homosexual tendencies, but I'll forgive you. That last six or seven of the Republican sex scandals have actually been with women.

stinieroo: Gosling: Currently 40 Senators can tag-team one.

And yet they never have to.

Because we know exactly how a 40-man tag-team filibuster is going to end, so that just saves everyone time.

You make one person carry the load for their entire side, it's up for grabs. It's certainly advantage-majority, but that's kind of the point. ADVANTAGE majority, but not guaranteed, versus the current GUARANTEED minority victory.

libbynomore2: The U.S. is still center-right.

So are Democrats.

GOP, on the other hand, and this d-bag, aren't center-right; they're barking mad.