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(Think Progress)   "[This area] lags on human development indexes, its governor is dogged by corruption allegations, and election results simply break down along ethnic lines and re-enforce entrenched divisions." Iraq? Afghanistan? Try Mississippi   (yglesias.thinkprogress.org) divider line 106
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2009-10-29 02:51:53 PM
But they have good cornbread. Right?
 
2009-10-29 02:53:46 PM
Sadly, I think that description is true for many states.
 
2009-10-29 02:54:56 PM
alywa: Sadly, I think that description is true for many states.

Not exactly. White voters don't really vote in any one way overwhelmingly except in the deep south.
 
2009-10-29 02:55:12 PM
Wasn't there an Onion article a few years back along the same lines--something about NATO sending humanitarian aid?
 
2009-10-29 02:57:29 PM
DamnYankees: But they have good cornbread. Right?

And chicken and dumplings, collards, and sweet tea.

/can't wait for Thanksgiving
//half the fam's from Mississippi
///other half is from Bangladesh
//Turkey and dressing, beef curry, and rice and dal on Thanksgiving, mmm.
/too much slashies
 
2009-10-29 03:03:54 PM
gerrymandering is my favorite kind of mandering
 
2009-10-29 03:08:17 PM
El Chode: gerrymandering is my favorite kind of mandering

I prefer mandering oranges.
 
2009-10-29 03:12:40 PM
alywa: Sadly, I think that description is true for many states.

The 11% white vote for Obama is definitely a deep south thing. Only Mississippi, Alabama, and Louisiana were under 20%. You don't see that kind of polarization in even the rest of the south.
 
2009-10-29 03:14:28 PM
Of course TP would say this drivel.

I live (unfortunately) in the People's Republic of San Francisco, comrades, and let me tell you, it is every bit the same here. People isolate themselves in neighborhoods and look down their nose at everyone else. There isn't a Republican for 100 miles in elected office yet everything wrong with the city is their fault. And don't even get me started on the problems this city faces. It's a third-world nation in many areas.

Happens on both sides, is my point. So neither side has the right to look down their nose.
 
2009-10-29 03:19:27 PM
Barakku: El Chode: gerrymandering is my favorite kind of mandering

I prefer mandering oranges.


I thought they were mandeling oranges?
 
2009-10-29 03:25:56 PM
Racht: The 11% white vote for Obama is definitely a deep south thing. Only Mississippi, Alabama, and Louisiana were under 20%. You don't see that kind of polarization in even the rest of the south.

Unfortunately, this is what happens when one doesn't RTFA. I retract my previous statement, and would like to state, for the record, that the deep South is still very politically divided among racial lines. Carry On.
 
2009-10-29 03:37:14 PM
Ordell: Happens on both sides, is my point.

Would you go so far as to say that boht sidez R teh bad?
 
2009-10-29 03:37:30 PM
DamnYankees: alywa: Sadly, I think that description is true for many states.

Not exactly. White voters don't really vote in any one way overwhelmingly except in the deep south.


Yet blacks vote overwhelmingly one way throughout the country and somehow that's okay.
 
2009-10-29 03:40:58 PM
This would be the Mississippi that made it through Hurricane Katrina through its own gumption, as opposed to the Democrat-kept dependancy class up on roofs in New Orleans blaming George W. Bush?
 
2009-10-29 03:41:12 PM
alywa: I retract my previous statement, and would like to state, for the record, that the deep South is still very politically divided among racial lines.

Oh, I've lived in Mississippi for about a year and a half back in 01-02. I can definitely confirm that statement. Not just politically, either... a whole lotta racism still evident down there.
 
2009-10-29 03:41:33 PM
amazing_live_seamonkeys: DamnYankees: alywa: Sadly, I think that description is true for many states.

Not exactly. White voters don't really vote in any one way overwhelmingly except in the deep south.

Yet blacks vote overwhelmingly one way throughout the country and somehow that's okay.


and so do rural whites...what's your point.
 
2009-10-29 03:42:21 PM
amazing_live_seamonkeys: DamnYankees: alywa: Sadly, I think that description is true for many states.

Not exactly. White voters don't really vote in any one way overwhelmingly except in the deep south.

Yet blacks vote overwhelmingly one way throughout the country and somehow that's okay.


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2009-10-29 03:43:51 PM
amazing_live_seamonkeys: Yet blacks vote overwhelmingly one way throughout the country and somehow that's okay.

Because one party has been against them having rights for the better part of 60 years?
 
2009-10-29 03:45:24 PM
One's a third world shiathole full of violent, well-armed religious fundamentalists.

The other is Afghanistan.
 
2009-10-29 03:47:47 PM
Shaggy_C: amazing_live_seamonkeys: Yet blacks vote overwhelmingly one way throughout the country and somehow that's okay.

Because one party has been against them having rights for the better part of 60 years?


Democrats? Well at least through the 70s until they became Republicans.
 
2009-10-29 03:47:50 PM
amazing_live_seamonkeys: Yet blacks vote overwhelmingly one way throughout the country and somehow that's okay.

So do Jews.

So do homosexuals.

Catholics are moving that way too.

And hispanics.

And Muslims, who were once a "conservative" base.

The GOP can only tell people "you're not welcome here" or "you're welcome as long as you shut up and stand in the back" so many times before those people decide that the "big tent" just doesn't have any appeal.

You, Jesus and Sarah Palin are all alone in that big tent these days. The acoustics are great, eh?
 
2009-10-29 03:49:12 PM
Shaggy_C: amazing_live_seamonkeys: Yet blacks vote overwhelmingly one way throughout the country and somehow that's okay.

Because one party has been against them having the same rights as everyone else rights for the better part of 60 years?


FTFY
 
2009-10-29 03:50:33 PM
FishingWithFredo: This would be the Mississippi that made it through Hurricane Katrina through its own gumption, as opposed to the Democrat-kept dependancy class up on roofs in New Orleans blaming George W. Bush?

I'm sure that had nothing to do with the fact that Mississippi isn't protected by shoddy levvies. Must have been the bootstraps. But hey, however you want to rationalize looking down on black people.
 
2009-10-29 03:51:39 PM
sigdiamond2000: Ordell: Happens on both sides, is my point.

Would you go so far as to say that boht sidez R teh bad?


...so vote Republican.
 
2009-10-29 03:52:28 PM
 
2009-10-29 03:52:42 PM
amazing_live_seamonkeys: Yet blacks vote overwhelmingly one way throughout the country and somehow that's okay.

Given that we have only two major parties and a large slice of one of them tends to spend much of its time catering to and fawning over white racists, I'd say it's perfectly okay (on the part of black voters, that it, not so much on the part of the GOP).
 
2009-10-29 03:53:09 PM
Serious question: Is there any governor in the United States that isn't "dogged by corruption allegations"?

It's gotten to the point now where Cry Wolf syndrome has me numb to corruption allegations against anybody. An elected official can't wipe his ass anymore without someone filing a Freedom of Information Act request to find out who bought the toilet paper and where the money came from.
 
2009-10-29 03:54:11 PM
amazing_live_seamonkeys: DamnYankees: alywa: Sadly, I think that description is true for many states.

Not exactly. White voters don't really vote in any one way overwhelmingly except in the deep south.

Yet blacks vote overwhelmingly one way throughout the country and somehow that's okay.


It's more than just "okay" - it was more or less the plan. I'm sure you're familiar with the "Southern Strategy," right? TFA simply describes the predictable consequences thereof.
 
2009-10-29 03:54:53 PM
amazing_live_seamonkeys: But then President Lyndon B. Johnson pushed through the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 (outlawing segregation in public places) and his eventual Republican opponent, Sen. Barry Goldwater, opposed it. Johnson got 94 percent of the black vote that year, still a record for any presidential election.

The following year Johnson signed the 1965 Voting Rights Act. No Republican presidential candidate has gotten more than 15 percent of the black vote since.
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Well that's pretty good then. Republicans had the black vote from 1865-1965. 100 years of solid support. Great job!
 
2009-10-29 03:55:20 PM
SusanIvanova: amazing_live_seamonkeys: Yet blacks vote overwhelmingly one way throughout the country and somehow that's okay.

Given that we have only two major parties and a large slice of one of them tends to spend much of its time catering to and fawning over white black racists, I'd say it's perfectly okay (on the part of black white voters, that it, not so much on the part of the GOP DNC).


weird
 
2009-10-29 03:57:07 PM
Psumek: Well that's pretty good then. Republicans had the black vote from 1865-1965. 100 years of solid support. Great job!

Likely had something to do with the Democratic Party being heavily populated by the Ku Klux Klan.

Read a book.
 
2009-10-29 03:57:15 PM
amazing_live_seamonkeys:
Given that we have only two major parties and a large slice of one of them tends to spend much of its time catering to and fawning over white black racists, I'd say it's perfectly okay (on the part of black white voters, that it, not so much on the part of the GOP DNC).


Pretty amazing that a party could win by catering to black racists, considering blacks make up 13% of the country, many of whom are in the deep south where their votes don't matter.
 
2009-10-29 03:57:30 PM
amazing_live_seamonkeys: the same rights as everyone else

1965 Voting Rights Act
 
2009-10-29 03:58:22 PM
SusanIvanova: Given that we have only two major parties and a large slice of one of them tends to spend much of its time catering to and fawning over white racists, I'd say it's perfectly okay (on the part of black voters, that it, not so much on the part of the GOP).

I concur. It's perfectly okay for groups to vote for whatever suits their interests. As Republicans Democrats aren't going to receive any significant portion of the black rural vote, efforts to marginalize them are understandable.
 
2009-10-29 03:58:59 PM
amazing_live_seamonkeys: Psumek: Well that's pretty good then. Republicans had the black vote from 1865-1965. 100 years of solid support. Great job!

Likely had something to do with the Democratic Party being heavily populated by the Ku Klux Klan.

Read a book.


Well, yeah. But they pretty much traded because of the Southern Strategy. Hence, the modern GOP.
 
2009-10-29 03:59:05 PM
Rural Southern Whites? About as rabid a bunch there ever were that are as diehard GOP as you can get. Why might that be you ask? Those filthy Dems went and pushed that whole Civil Rights thing. totally mucked everything up.

Rural Southern Blacks? About as diehard bunch of Democrats you've ever met. Do you ask what might've caused this to be? The GOP are the ones who happily went along with everything and pretty well ended up on the opposing side of the race debate.

Now if you'd seen a Black Republican candidate against a White Democratic candidate... those numbers would likely be a good bit different.
 
2009-10-29 03:59:44 PM
Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: SusanIvanova: Given that we have only two major parties and a large slice of one of them tends to spend much of its time catering to and fawning over white racists, I'd say it's perfectly okay (on the part of black voters, that it, not so much on the part of the GOP).

I concur. It's perfectly okay for groups to vote for whatever suits their interests. As Republicans Democrats aren't going to receive any significant portion of the black rural vote, efforts to marginalize them are understandable.


Call me when they refuse to let rednecks vote.
 
2009-10-29 04:00:44 PM
Racht: amazing_live_seamonkeys:
Given that we have only two major parties and a large slice of one of them tends to spend much of its time catering to and fawning over white black racists, I'd say it's perfectly okay (on the part of black white voters, that it, not so much on the part of the GOP DNC).

Pretty amazing that a party could win by catering to black racists, considering blacks make up 13% of the country, many of whom are in the deep south where their votes don't matter.


It matters when the DNC can pretty much expect ALL the black vote to go its way while the white vote is op for grabs.

The black vote is simply money in the bank to the DNC, when -at least on social issues- most black people I know are pretty conservative.
 
2009-10-29 04:01:37 PM
Cinaed:
Now if you'd seen a Black Republican candidate against a White Democratic candidate... those numbers would likely be a good bit different.


In general, not really. Historically white Democrats have gotten ~80% of the black vote vs black Republicans. See Michael Steele for the most recent example. In Mississippi who knows, I don't think it's ever happened.
 
2009-10-29 04:01:44 PM
Cinaed: Now if you'd seen a Black Republican candidate against a White Democratic candidate...

How about a unicorn versus a white Democrat?

A Minotaur? A Fairy?
 
2009-10-29 04:03:43 PM
Poopspasm: Cinaed: Now if you'd seen a Black Republican candidate against a White Democratic candidate...

How about a unicorn versus a white Democrat?

A Minotaur? A Fairy?


Barney Frank has been in congress close to 30 years.
 
2009-10-29 04:04:11 PM
amazing_live_seamonkeys:
The black vote is simply money in the bank to the DNC, when -at least on social issues- most black people I know are pretty conservative.


You're correct, a lot of black people are fairly conservative, due to the higher percentage of religion.

Which would make you think that Republican strategists would actively try to disassociate the party from the Southern Strategy and stop supporting policies and candidates that turn these conservative black voters away.

But they can't. Their base of southern rural whites would desert them for a third party that still held those views, or else just not vote. They know it.
 
2009-10-29 04:05:18 PM
Ordell: Of course TP would say this drivel.

I live (unfortunately) in the People's Republic of San Francisco, comrades, and let me tell you, it is every bit the same here. People isolate themselves in neighborhoods and look down their nose at everyone else. There isn't a Republican for 100 miles in elected office yet everything wrong with the city is their fault. And don't even get me started on the problems this city faces. It's a third-world nation in many areas.

Happens on both sides, is my point. So neither side has the right to look down their nose.


As someone who has traveled in both the Bay Area and the Deep South quite a bit, I can tell you without hyperbole that that is the stupidest, most ignorant and retarded statement anyone on fark has ever said, ever. If you think that San Francisco is in any way comparable to the rural South in terms of economic or political stratification you seriously need to get your head our of your ass and stop pretending that you live in the third world.

Once you've seen real poverty and political and social segregation, maybe you'll understand what a stupid thing that was to say.

Or maybe you're just a troll, in which case, lunch is on me.
 
2009-10-29 04:05:37 PM
amazing_live_seamonkeys: most black people I know are pretty conservative.

So are most muslims.

So are a lot of Hispanic-Americans.

The GOP has gone out of their way to alienate these groups. Pointing a finger and shrieking about how "you people all vote the same way" is part of the problem for the GOP, not part of the solution.
 
2009-10-29 04:07:57 PM
Bill_Wick's_Friend: amazing_live_seamonkeys: most black people I know are pretty conservative.

So are most muslims.

So are a lot of Hispanic-Americans.

The GOP has gone out of their way to alienate these groups. Pointing a finger and shrieking about how "you people all vote the same way" is part of the problem for the GOP, not part of the solution.


By "alienate", do you mean not promise advantages, preference and buy-offs?
 
2009-10-29 04:08:23 PM
amazing_live_seamonkeys:
The black vote is simply money in the bank to the DNC, when -at least on social issues- most black people I know are pretty conservative.


What does that tell you about the modern Republican Party? Why do you suppose that Blacks who might agree with the Republicans on many issues generally vote Democratic even when both candidates are white? Is that somehow Black racism?

And what does it tell you when there is not a single Black Republican in elected political office at the federal level, or in state wide office, anywhere in the nation, nor did the Republicans run a black for any state wide or federal office in the last two election cycles?
 
2009-10-29 04:10:42 PM
Philip Francis Queeg: And what does it tell you when there is not a single Black Republican in elected political office at the federal level, or in state wide office, anywhere in the nation, nor did the Republicans run a black for any state wide or federal office in the last two election cycles?

Must be the GOP discriminating against all of it's black candidates that it didn't "run" any.
 
2009-10-29 04:11:13 PM
amazing_live_seamonkeys:
By "alienate", do you mean not promise advantages, preference and buy-offs?


No, that is in fact not what he means. Perhaps you're familiar with Lee Atwater's famous quote:

You start out in 1954 by saying, "(N-word), (n-word), (n-word)." By 1968 you can't say (n-word) -that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.

The Republican Party ran a deliberate strategy to appeal to racist whites in the 60s. It's called the Southern Strategy. Perhaps you've heard of it. Reagan kicked off his campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi talking about states' right. That wasn't an accident, it was a dog whistle.

I see no indication that they've changed very much since then.
 
2009-10-29 04:11:14 PM
Yeah, hi. I'm from Mississippi. I hate Barbour, but seriously, can you possibly take a break on the whole, "You are so racist" thing?

It wasn't ethnic lines that caused the majority of Mississippians to vote against Obama. It was party lines. When was the last time you saw a Democratic candidate take MS?

Seriously, there are some messed up old racist jerks here. And there are some in Minnesota. And there are some in New York. And yes, there are some in California.

I'm not at all saying this state doesn't have a pretty farked up past, but at this point, I would firmly suggest that we're no more messed up than the rest of you.
 
2009-10-29 04:16:37 PM
Hey Mississippi, Louisiana called and they want last place back!!
 
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