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2009-10-29 03:11:57 PM
This is far from news to anyone who reads Game Informer.

Nevertheless, I REALLY don't get this. I understand that the trend is to re-boot and re-invent every damn thing under the sun to make it grittier, and more "edgy" somehow, but I have a feeling this is going to blow up in their rosy-cheeked little faces.

Gritty/edgy worked for, say, Batman...Because it was easy to go back to his origin story. I'm actually surprised he EVER got campy, given that. Dead parents, dresses like Dracula, preys on fear...That was more a return to form than anything.

It also works for stuff like Alice in Wonderland. American McGee's Alice was twisted and kinda awesome in re-imagining the other side of the looking-glass as a gnarled nightmare universe. Ditto for the "Tin Man" re-teling of the Oz stories. Even Jason Yungbluth's "Weapon Brown" (which threw Charlie Brown and friends into a post-apocalyptic Snoopy-eat-dog Mad Max-type setting) was brilliantly executed because it was so heavy on the irony.

But Goth Mickey? Ridiculous. Laughable. To genuinely try to usurp the roots of one of the most sickeningly, persistently wholesome little boy scouts in history in an attempt to make him relevant? Only slightly more embarrassing than that time Pat Boone did a record of "metal" covers. It's like Mr. Rogers getting a neck tattoo and hanging with the Hell's Angels. Ain't gonna fly.

Of course, if I remember right, it's on the Wii, so maybe this is what passes for "hardcore" over there.

Overwhelming meh.
 
2009-10-29 03:16:09 PM
MaxxLarge: This is far from news to anyone who reads Game Informer.

Nevertheless, I REALLY don't get this. I understand that the trend is to re-boot and re-invent every damn thing under the sun to make it grittier, and more "edgy" somehow, but I have a feeling this is going to blow up in their rosy-cheeked little faces.

Gritty/edgy worked for, say, Batman...Because it was easy to go back to his origin story. I'm actually surprised he EVER got campy, given that. Dead parents, dresses like Dracula, preys on fear...That was more a return to form than anything.

It also works for stuff like Alice in Wonderland. American McGee's Alice was twisted and kinda awesome in re-imagining the other side of the looking-glass as a gnarled nightmare universe. Ditto for the "Tin Man" re-teling of the Oz stories. Even Jason Yungbluth's "Weapon Brown" (which threw Charlie Brown and friends into a post-apocalyptic Snoopy-eat-dog Mad Max-type setting) was brilliantly executed because it was so heavy on the irony.

But Goth Mickey? Ridiculous. Laughable. To genuinely try to usurp the roots of one of the most sickeningly, persistently wholesome little boy scouts in history in an attempt to make him relevant? Only slightly more embarrassing than that time Pat Boone did a record of "metal" covers. It's like Mr. Rogers getting a neck tattoo and hanging with the Hell's Angels. Ain't gonna fly.

Of course, if I remember right, it's on the Wii, so maybe this is what passes for "hardcore" over there.

Overwhelming meh.


that was a whole lot of words for "meh". it's not nearly as dark as i had hoped, but the inclusion of oswald is awesome. hopefully since they got him back in 2006, they'll start using him in more shiat.
 
2009-10-29 03:31:38 PM
MaxxLarge: Overwhelming meh.

Looking at the concept art that was originally offered up compared to what these screenshots show, I'm inclined to agree.
 
2009-10-29 04:06:19 PM
cranberryzero: that was a whole lot of words for "meh". it's not nearly as dark as i had hoped, but the inclusion of oswald is awesome. hopefully since they got him back in 2006, they'll start using him in more shiat.

We really are due for the latest Animaniacs-style resurgence of those ancient black-and-white characters. Oswald, Bosco, etc.
 
2009-10-29 05:31:03 PM
Look at the concept art then the alpha scenes.
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Someone had to tone it down considerably. My guess the CEO's took a look at Warren Spectre designs and asked him to change it to say the least.
 
2009-10-29 05:34:37 PM
South Park Mickey still wins
 
2009-10-29 05:40:20 PM
Oh, Dusty. In-famous is when you're MORE than famous. This man Mickey Mouse, he's not just famous, he's IN-famous.

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2009-10-29 05:51:20 PM
Huh, looks kinda cool actually. Reminded me instantly of an old favorite on the Dreamcast, Rayman 2.

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2009-10-29 06:06:32 PM
Its on the Wii though. You won't be able to tell the difference between Mickey and a blob of blank ink on that system. Good call Disney, at least you are not making Pixar makes movies with 486DX's.
 
2009-10-29 06:16:49 PM
I'm pretty interested in seeing how this shapes. On Wii, not on the Wii, whatever. The concept art looks amazing and I love re-imaginings of things and this looks delightfully twisted. Well, twisted by Disney standards.

Can't really say what draws me to this, just something about the aesthetic has me wanting to track the developments of this game.
 
2009-10-29 06:27:14 PM
The plot looks interesting. I'm glad they didn't go American Magee on it. It looks like a fun title for that system that doesn't toot itself as anything more than a play thing.
 
2009-10-29 06:30:38 PM
PeeWeePangolin: Its on the Wii though. You won't be able to tell the difference between Mickey and a blob of blank ink on that system. Good call Disney, at least you are not making Pixar makes movies with 486DX's.

It's a good thing that HD gaming has been around since the early 80's. I can't imagine how terrible Super Mario Bros. 3 would have been if I couldn't have enjoyed it in glorious 1080p.
 
2009-10-29 06:30:43 PM
Red Mundus: Someone had to tone it down considerably. My guess the CEO's took a look at Warren Spectre designs and asked him to change it to say the least.

Yeah, I'm wholly disappointed now that I've seen actual screens.

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Went from this to the Final Fantasy VII Golden Saucer.
 
2009-10-29 06:34:10 PM
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Absolutely love that concept art. Really draws you in and kind of numbs the senses. Definitely doesn't look like the Disney I grew up with which kind of induces a system shock of sorts. The release screens however don't really do it for me. :/
 
2009-10-29 06:40:23 PM
Yeah, it's safe to say that since Disney has to ok this, it's gonna be bland.

Disney + Wii = fun for kids ages 4-12.
 
2009-10-29 06:49:00 PM
Red Mundus: Really draws you in and kind of numbs the senses. Definitely doesn't look like the Disney I grew up with which kind of induces a system shock of sorts.

I think that was what originally pumped everyone up for this game. Disney characters and landmarks are some of the most protected properties in the entire world, meticulously guarded and cultivated so that they always give off this air of perfection. I don't see a post-apocalyptic Mickey game as some sort of cynical cash-in reimagining. I see it as "What sort of world is this where something could corrupt even Disney?"

There was a chance to really subvert some of these issues like Disney mystique and the consequences of premeditated, corporate artificiality, but I suppose it was ridiculous of me to even give a passing hope to Disney signing off on it.
 
2009-10-29 06:53:47 PM
On the Wii, huh?

Nice way to ride coattails there, Disney.

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/BioWare. Greatest game company ever.
 
2009-10-29 07:00:11 PM
MaxxLarge: But Goth Mickey? Ridiculous. Laughable. To genuinely try to usurp the roots of one of the most sickeningly, persistently wholesome little boy scouts in history in an attempt to make him relevant? Only slightly more embarrassing than that time Pat Boone did a record of "metal" covers. It's like Mr. Rogers getting a neck tattoo and hanging with the Hell's Angels. Ain't gonna fly.

It's so they have something to charge the emo kids $40 on bat day.
 
2009-10-29 07:01:15 PM
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I played the hell out of this game when I was little. I hope this new one is good.
 
2009-10-29 07:11:52 PM
Given that Warren Spector's designing this, I have hopes that it will be good. Then again, I also love Tim Schafer's games, but everything I've seen about Brutal Legend (including the demo) makes it look bad. Sometimes a good designer or company makes a mistake.
 
2009-10-29 07:12:48 PM
But it's not Mickey vs. Oswald. It's Mickey versus Lovecraftion Phantom Blot while trying to get Oswald to stop hating him.
 
2009-10-29 07:26:06 PM
Hmm... Gothic Mickey, where have I heard this one before?

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2009-10-29 08:07:43 PM
MaxxLarge: This is far from news to anyone who reads Game Informer.

Nevertheless, I REALLY don't get this. I understand that the trend is to re-boot and re-invent every damn thing under the sun to make it grittier, and more "edgy" somehow, but I have a feeling this is going to blow up in their rosy-cheeked little faces.

Gritty/edgy worked for, say, Batman...Because it was easy to go back to his origin story. I'm actually surprised he EVER got campy, given that. Dead parents, dresses like Dracula, preys on fear...That was more a return to form than anything.

It also works for stuff like Alice in Wonderland. American McGee's Alice was twisted and kinda awesome in re-imagining the other side of the looking-glass as a gnarled nightmare universe. Ditto for the "Tin Man" re-teling of the Oz stories. Even Jason Yungbluth's "Weapon Brown" (which threw Charlie Brown and friends into a post-apocalyptic Snoopy-eat-dog Mad Max-type setting) was brilliantly executed because it was so heavy on the irony.

But Goth Mickey? Ridiculous. Laughable. To genuinely try to usurp the roots of one of the most sickeningly, persistently wholesome little boy scouts in history in an attempt to make him relevant? Only slightly more embarrassing than that time Pat Boone did a record of "metal" covers. It's like Mr. Rogers getting a neck tattoo and hanging with the Hell's Angels. Ain't gonna fly.

Of course, if I remember right, it's on the Wii, so maybe this is what passes for "hardcore" over there.

Overwhelming meh.



Crossover! Also, Mickey Mouse has killed about sixty thousand people, and their babies. and Xaldin
 
2009-10-29 08:36:14 PM
ibanezdude: PeeWeePangolin: Its on the Wii though. You won't be able to tell the difference between Mickey and a blob of blank ink on that system. Good call Disney, at least you are not making Pixar makes movies with 486DX's.

It's a good thing that HD gaming has been around since the early 80's. I can't imagine how terrible Super Mario Bros. 3 would have been if I couldn't have enjoyed it in glorious 1080p.


yea because EVERYONE knows that the Wii is barely above an Atari 2600 in graphics capability, I may as well rub dirt in my eyes than play that crap
 
2009-10-29 09:01:03 PM
Hmm.
Wii has widest install base by almost two to one.
The game looks Super Mario-esque. (Anyone think Kingdom Hearts sucked?)
Disney will market the hell out of it.
And my 8 year old nephew is chomping at the bit to get his hands on it.
This game will rule E3 next year. Just watch.
 
2009-10-29 10:08:13 PM
Tyrone Slothrop: Given that Warren Spector's designing this, I have hopes that it will be good. Then again, I also love Tim Schafer's games, but everything I've seen about Brutal Legend (including the demo) makes it look bad. Sometimes a good designer or company makes a mistake.

Yeah, this is Warren Spector. The results will be interesting, however I will never play it, because I see no point in owning a Wii.

As for Brutal Legend, it's a mixed bag that doesn't quite work for me. It is worth playing though, so rent it or something. If you like metal, you will probably appreciate it more.

The cameos (especially Ozzy's) are very funny though.
 
2009-10-29 10:14:27 PM
I thought Mintz just stole Oswald from Walt.
 
2009-10-29 11:22:51 PM
Was this design created by Chester Lampwick?
 
2009-10-30 12:05:36 AM
So, it begins...
Disney is loosening up the public to the idea of a retarded cross-over from their recently aquired company.
 
2009-10-30 12:21:47 AM
Stickdeath: Disney is loosening up the public to the idea of a retarded cross-over from their recently aquired company.

I'd probably buy Disney/Marvel Ultimate Alliance just to have Goofy uppercut Magneto.
 
2009-10-30 12:49:41 AM
I love the ridiculous over-exaggerations of how bad the Wii's graphics upposedly are.

Yes it doesn't output to 1080P or even 720P. No, that doesn't mean that graphics automatically "suck." The Wii is capable of running some very fine-looking games, as a glance at either Mario Galaxy or Metroid Prime 3 proves.

How good a game looks has far more to do with artistic design and visual aesthetic, anyway, than it does with the number of pixels on the screen. You can look at a game like Okami on the PS2, which is still more stunning-looking than most games put out today. And that was on the PS2.
 
2009-10-30 02:33:29 AM
Hey I'm just going to go ahead and make a website that's all in LIGHT GRAY TEXT. Oh, and I'm going to put long farking articles on it. Say goodbye, vision.
 
2009-10-30 03:44:44 AM
MaxxLarge: But Goth Mickey? Ridiculous. Laughable. To genuinely try to usurp the roots of one of the most sickeningly, persistently wholesome little boy scouts in history in an attempt to make him relevant?

Didn't work for Superman, either. Superman is an upbeat boyscout. Emo superman is ridiculous, always has been, always will be.
 
2009-10-30 07:54:46 AM
Glad this is coming out on the Wii, as it's the only console I own. The graphics on it are fine. When I want good graphics I play on my PC, I sure as hell don't use a console. Although I'm beginning to get annoyed that the crappy graphics on the 360 are beginning to affect the visual quality of PC games as more and more PC games are just ports.
 
2009-10-30 08:37:50 AM
hopefully this turns out good, I need something to play on the Wii after New Super Mario Bros Wii.

/slight jack, anyone play borderlands? can you play the entire game in co-op from the start?
 
2009-10-30 08:45:11 AM
moistD: /slight jack, anyone play borderlands? can you play the entire game in co-op from the start?

I have played Borderlands, and you can indeed play the entire game in co-op.

The game is incredibly addictive. It's basically a 4 player FPS Diablo. Plays a bit like Halo.

So far my best games this year list looks like this:

1. Forza
2. Borderlands
3. Batman
 
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2009-10-30 10:49:37 AM
Conker's Bad Fur Day.
 
2009-10-30 11:02:34 AM
Word is that the screen shots posted so far are just from the first area, so theres still potential for the weird stuff in the concept art.
 
2009-10-30 11:10:21 AM
This is just another in a long line of threads about something that looks awesome that gets nothing but shiat from the Farkers. You guys are either a bunch of humorless old fogeys or a bunch of too-cool-for-anything hipster contrarians. Tell me, do any of you actually enjoy anything in life...anything at all?

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2009-10-30 11:31:30 AM
Copy. Right. Law.

Look it up and you'll see why a lot of the big entertainment companies will 're-release' old characters over, and over, and over again.
 
2009-10-30 11:31:57 AM
The only reason I play games is for the pretty pictures. If it doesn't have pretty pictures, it's a bad game.

...fun? What's that?
 
2009-10-30 12:03:58 PM
Wow, that was disappointing in a wide variety of ways. I really hope those are just prototype maps - they look really, weak. It's 2009 - you can't really get away with the "random-looking tile-texture that abruptly ends at a wall and begins another random-looking tile texture" approach to architecture.

The game has taken a completely different direction from the old concept art... now uberdark Mickey is kind of a silly concept, but it would have been something fresh.
 
2009-10-30 12:54:09 PM
MaxxLarge
To genuinely try to usurp the roots of one of the most sickeningly, persistently wholesome little boy scouts in history....

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maybe you should be aware of more stuff before making such statements.
 
2009-10-30 01:22:37 PM
How is Epic Mickey any more "goth" or "emo" than Kingdom Hearts is? Mickey, Donald, and Goofy are still Mickey, Donald, and Goofy in the KH games -- the gothy/emoy bits are in the other characters. Mickey will be Mickey in Epic Mickey, but through the game will become cool, just like when he kicked ass (rarely) in KH, he became cool.

From the looks of the screen shots, seems like this will be a great game. Mickey can either be the 1930s scrappy Mickey, or the current heroic one, or a mix. He'll no doubt find himself making a new pal in Oswald and it will be a totally happy ending. And unlike Kingdom Hearts, there is no non-Disney in Epic Mickey to bring in the stuff that doesn't feel, well, Disney. That is, tragically, why the original awesome concept art now has little to do with the game (as far as we know).
 
2009-10-30 06:57:14 PM
PonceAlyosha: MaxxLarge: This is far from news to anyone who reads Game Informer.

Nevertheless, I REALLY don't get this. I understand that the trend is to re-boot and re-invent every damn thing under the sun to make it grittier, and more "edgy" somehow, but I have a feeling this is going to blow up in their rosy-cheeked little faces.

Gritty/edgy worked for, say, Batman...Because it was easy to go back to his origin story. I'm actually surprised he EVER got campy, given that. Dead parents, dresses like Dracula, preys on fear...That was more a return to form than anything.

It also works for stuff like Alice in Wonderland. American McGee's Alice was twisted and kinda awesome in re-imagining the other side of the looking-glass as a gnarled nightmare universe. Ditto for the "Tin Man" re-teling of the Oz stories. Even Jason Yungbluth's "Weapon Brown" (which threw Charlie Brown and friends into a post-apocalyptic Snoopy-eat-dog Mad Max-type setting) was brilliantly executed because it was so heavy on the irony.

But Goth Mickey? Ridiculous. Laughable. To genuinely try to usurp the roots of one of the most sickeningly, persistently wholesome little boy scouts in history in an attempt to make him relevant? Only slightly more embarrassing than that time Pat Boone did a record of "metal" covers. It's like Mr. Rogers getting a neck tattoo and hanging with the Hell's Angels. Ain't gonna fly.

Of course, if I remember right, it's on the Wii, so maybe this is what passes for "hardcore" over there.

Overwhelming meh.


Crossover! Also, Mickey Mouse has killed about sixty thousand people, and their babies. and Xaldin


I can't count how many times King Mickey had to save me during the Xaldin fight on the Bridge at Beast's Castle. x_x

/and 385/2 days kept up the tradition of hard bosses on that goddamn bridge with that giant tank thing.
 
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