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(Fox News)   Cell phones, which first didn't cause cancer, then did cause cancer, then didn't cause cancer, are now known to cause cancer   (foxnews.com) divider line 109
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2009-10-25 09:44:52 AM  
Link (new window)

1) this comes from a meta-analysis, not primary research

2) the significant finding was driven by work from a single group in Sweden

3) The magnitude of effect is around 20% increased risk if you used a cell phone more than a decade. In the US, the age adjusted incidence of brain and spinal cord tumors ranges between 3 and 8 per 100,000 Link (new window). Taking the top end of that range and a generous interpretation of the risk and you're talking about an extra two cases of brain or spinal cord cancer for every 100,000 US users. If there are 200 million cell phone users in the US, that works out to an extra 4000 cases of brain cancer over the course of a lifetime in exchange for all the benefits of cell phone usage.

Now, in reality, your risk is probably lower if you use a headset and I've used worst case numbers so the real impact of cell phones on mortality will be miniscule.
 
2009-10-25 09:45:44 AM  
grrrr, stupid linking; the first link i posted was to an AJC article with a informative coverage
 
2009-10-25 10:31:57 AM  
Cell phones cause far more car accidents than brain tumors.
 
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2009-10-25 10:37:51 AM  
What I want to know is this: how long until my smug cell phone-avoiding self can rule the world after all the pretentious cell phone addicts die?
 
2009-10-25 10:47:27 AM  
My parents were somewhat helicopter parents. Not as bad as others, but pretty choppy.

Up until I was about 10 or 11, he wouldnt let me have a cordless phone in my room (all my friends did) because of 900Mghz and brain tumors. This was in the 90s.

When I was like 12 and 13 he went back on that and gave me, my brother who was 10 yrs older and himself/mom one. So they were in every room. Otherwise it was just one house phone (at the time).

So this has been known for some time.

Headline reminds me of Lewis Black's bit on eggs.
 
2009-10-25 11:00:04 AM  
FTA: The study's head, Dr. Elisabeth Cardis, said, "In the absence of definitive results and in the light of a number of studies which, though limited, suggest a possible effect of radiofrequency radiation, precautions are important."

Translated: "We want to scare you. We really do. But we don't have anything real to scare you with, so be scared anyway as a favor to us, okay? Because we asked nice?"
 
2009-10-25 11:00:17 AM  
FredaDeStilleto: Cell phones cause far more car accidents than brain tumors.

This. Handsfree sets are mandatory here and being caught jabbering without one while driving is a $400 fine.

What gets me is seeing people texting while driving.
 
2009-10-25 11:39:11 AM  
Soccer moms are facing extinction. The teenagers will be okay because all they do is text nowadays. I don't see how a headset would help. The same death rays are going into your head. We're doomed.

/not smug
//about my 3G iPhone
 
2009-10-25 12:14:48 PM  
Who cares? Nobody lives forever.
 
2009-10-25 12:15:58 PM  
FredaDeStilleto: Cell phones cause far more car accidents than brain tumors.

i635.photobucket.com
 
2009-10-25 12:16:19 PM  
Welp, there goes Japan...
 
2009-10-25 12:17:04 PM  
Bad diet and shiatty lifestyle causes cancer. Everything else just determines which type.
 
2009-10-25 12:17:35 PM  
So, does texting give one finger cancer?

I miss the good old rotary phones.
I always loved to stick my finger in the operator's hole.
 
2009-10-25 12:18:56 PM  
No, they don't.

SpinStopper: FTA: The study's head, Dr. Elisabeth Cardis, said, "In the absence of definitive results and in the light of a number of studies which, though limited, suggest a possible effect of radiofrequency radiation, precautions are important."

Translated: "We want to scare you. We really do. But we don't have anything real to scare you with, so be scared anyway as a favor to us, okay? Because we asked nice?"


This. Cell phones are radios, people; that's all they are. radio waves simply aren't energetic enough to be ionizing. The ultraviolet rays striking you every second from the sun are hundreds of millions of times more damaging, and are what people should be worried about to prevent cancer, not frigging radios.

Reminds me of those anti-vaccine people "oh, 0,000001 gram of mercury is in vaccines, never mind a thousand times that in every fish we eat." Numbnuts.

Where are those idiots who think they are "allergic" to wiFi?
 
2009-10-25 12:19:07 PM  
Mugato: Soccer moms are facing extinction. The teenagers will be okay because all they do is text nowadays. I don't see how a headset would help. The same death rays are going into your head. We're doomed.

/not smug
//about my 3G iPhone


Hmmm... Texting with your phone in your lap strikes me as a big potential risk. I wouldn't think that irradiating your reproductive organs would be a good idea.
 
2009-10-25 12:19:19 PM  
Mugato: I don't see how a headset would help. The same death rays are going into your head. We're doomed.

Nuh, the death rays that go from your phone to the cellphone tower are different from the death rays that go from your phone to your headset.

This might be good. Or bad. I'd have to see a study of some kind.
 
2009-10-25 12:19:29 PM  
Soroush125: Welp, there goes Japan...

But Japan is small. Their cell phones only have to transmit across the island. Our powerful American cell phones have to transmit from one side of a continent to the other
 
2009-10-25 12:20:49 PM  
If they really do cause cancer then I imagine we are going to see a sharp increase in the number of cases in the future as practically everyone is ditching traditional landlines for cell phones.
 
2009-10-25 12:21:11 PM  
Cell phones ARE the cancer on society.

..and I am the...uhhh...the..uhh...whatever the cure for cancer is.
 
2009-10-25 12:22:41 PM  
tbyte: But Japan is small. Their cell phones only have to transmit across the island. Our powerful American cell phones have to transmit from one side of a continent to the other

i37.photobucket.com
CELLULAR NETWORKS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!!


/knew you were joking
 
2009-10-25 12:24:23 PM  
tbyte: Soroush125: Welp, there goes Japan...

But Japan is small. Their cell phones only have to transmit across the island. Our powerful American cell phones have to transmit from one side of a continent to the other


Genius.
 
2009-10-25 12:25:00 PM  
Even if you decided to stop using one, you're going to get zapped by everyone else's ~~waves~~
/THIS
 
2009-10-25 12:27:24 PM  
i218.photobucket.com
Unavailable for comment?
 
2009-10-25 12:28:17 PM  
All good things in life:

Are expensive
Are Illegal
Make you fat
Cause cancer
 
2009-10-25 12:31:11 PM  
GWSuperfan: Hmmm... Texting with your phone in your lap strikes me as a big potential risk. I wouldn't think that irradiating your reproductive organs would be a good idea.

Sterilizing kids who text all the time doesn't sound like a bad idea.

Bicycle safety tip: Nuh, the death rays that go from your phone to the cellphone tower are different from the death rays that go from your phone to your headset

Well I never claimed to know anything about it. It just seemed like common sense.
 
2009-10-25 12:31:46 PM  
tbyte: Soroush125: Welp, there goes Japan...

But Japan is small. Their cell phones only have to transmit across the island. Our powerful American cell phones have to transmit from one side of a continent to the other


I can think of many people to whom I could make this claim and they would eat it the fark up.
 
2009-10-25 12:32:33 PM  
Sigh. How long until they don't cause cancer again?
 
2009-10-25 12:32:47 PM  
OK, lets assume they do (which they don't). Would they be able to put a small peice of lead foil on the side of the antenna that faces your head to block it, or do radia signals not work that way?
 
2009-10-25 12:38:24 PM  
Just wait until the public hears how many neutrinos blast through their bodies every second! They think radio waves are scary...
 
2009-10-25 12:39:05 PM  
So does this mean wifi, bluetooth, OTA TV, radio, background electronic emissions, basic cosmic radiation, power line emissions and all other invisible signals cause cancer too?

We're being bombarded with invisible signals every second of every day.

Maybe distance from source, frequency or duration being bombarded makes a difference? But I'd rather a real study than a survey to find that out.
 
2009-10-25 12:40:52 PM  
Sim Tree: No, they don't.

SpinStopper: FTA: The study's head, Dr. Elisabeth Cardis, said, "In the absence of definitive results and in the light of a number of studies which, though limited, suggest a possible effect of radiofrequency radiation, precautions are important."

Translated: "We want to scare you. We really do. But we don't have anything real to scare you with, so be scared anyway as a favor to us, okay? Because we asked nice?"

This. Cell phones are radios, people; that's all they are. radio waves simply aren't energetic enough to be ionizing. The ultraviolet rays striking you every second from the sun are hundreds of millions of times more damaging, and are what people should be worried about to prevent cancer, not frigging radios.

Reminds me of those anti-vaccine people "oh, 0,000001 gram of mercury is in vaccines, never mind a thousand times that in every fish we eat." Numbnuts.

Where are those idiots who think they are "allergic" to wiFi?


You're brilliant.

1. Some random guy in FARK thread is more authoritative than the WHO
2. You bring up the anti-vaccine people, because you think you know how to argue against them, and you think FARK is with you on that one, but then you posit a comparison, and claim it's the same, when it could very easily be different: that is, eating mercury in fish flesh which passes through the stomach, could be very much different than having thimerosal injected directly into your bloodstream or muscles. Not saying it is, just saying you haven't made the case that it's not.
3. Bring up allergies to wi-fi, because all of the various scientific groups, doctors, chemists, biologists, physicists studying cellphones and cancers all claim they are allergic to wifi.

Okay, Internet Tough Guy, we get your point, you're smarter than WHO? Or rephrased, smarter than Jack.
 
2009-10-25 12:42:51 PM  
bimalc: 1) this comes from a meta-analysis, not primary research

When meta-analysis first started being used, many many people thought they were just crap, so I too thought they were crap.

20 years pass.

Now meta-analysis is used everywhere, and you're the first guy I've seen in a long long time, disclaim a study by saying, "it's a meta-analysis."

I am not saying you're wrong, I just wonder what happened.
 
2009-10-25 12:43:12 PM  
This cancer is makin' me thirsty.
 
2009-10-25 12:43:20 PM  
Tr0mBoNe: FredaDeStilleto: Cell phones cause far more car accidents than brain tumors.

This. Handsfree sets are mandatory here and being caught jabbering without one while driving is a $400 fine.

What gets me is seeing people texting while driving.


A-farking-men. I have no idea how people could think this is safe in any way.

/best 'while-he-was-driving' experience I've seen was a girl who was reading a book while driving. I mean, wow.
 
2009-10-25 12:46:01 PM  
And by "now known to cause," I assume you mean "still known to not cause."

Nonionizing radiation is nonionizing, dumbasses.
 
2009-10-25 12:47:19 PM  
Yeah, but my iPhone gives me a hip, stylish brain tumor, available in black or gloss white. You need iphone 3.1 for silver tumors.
 
2009-10-25 12:51:02 PM  
I'm surprised the article's headline wasn't something like "Cancer from cell phones almost as likely as death from H1N1".
 
2009-10-25 12:51:13 PM  
NeuroticRocker: When I was like 12 and 13 he went back on that and gave me, my brother who was 10 yrs older ...

Sounds like a pretty freaky family to me.
 
2009-10-25 12:53:13 PM  
Laire: Tr0mBoNe: FredaDeStilleto: Cell phones cause far more car accidents than brain tumors.

This. Handsfree sets are mandatory here and being caught jabbering without one while driving is a $400 fine.

What gets me is seeing people texting while driving.

A-farking-men. I have no idea how people could think this is safe in any way.

/best 'while-he-was-driving' experience I've seen was a girl who was reading a book while driving. I mean, wow.


I take my cellphone, palm pre, running linux, and use screen to drive a terminal running over tcp over usb hooked up to a small form factor PC installed in the trunk driving a first generation F-16 7" heads up display that I backchanneled out of AMARG in Tucson and is hooked into a 1553 board. I have a mic installed in my visor, and voice recog software running.

Most of the system integration software, I wrote either in python or as emacs macros. Love LISP.

The end result is a heads-up display that shows google maps as well as a voice recognition system that drives jabber, twitter, gaim, and allows for watching videos -- sure beats driving through traffic, but it sucks for Halo, unless I am driving in a large field, and which point the steering wheel turns is modeled as a 40 watt plasma rifle.
 
2009-10-25 12:53:23 PM  
Laire: What gets me is seeing people texting while driving.

I still can't think of a situation where texting is preferable to just calling the person that also isn't against the rules or discouraged.

Church? A Funeral? Work? School? A movie theater?
 
2009-10-25 12:53:42 PM  
OLD FARTK: So, does texting give one finger cancer?

I miss the good old rotary phones.
I always loved to stick my finger in the operator's hole.


I always do 'hands-free' texting.

/ dexterous penis
 
2009-10-25 12:53:51 PM  
Metaluna Mutant: Yeah, but my iPhone gives me a hip, stylish brain tumor, available in black or gloss white. You need iphone 3.1 for silver tumors.

Not only that, but you can sync your new iTumor with iTunes and download your music directly to your brain.
 
2009-10-25 12:54:44 PM  
ArizonaBay: Bad diet and shiatty lifestyle causes cancer. Everything else just determines which type.

What type of diet do you suppose will prevent/cause cancer? Are smoking, Asbestos, radiation, etc. no longer considered carcinogens? What about children that have cancer? You, Suzanne Sommers, and Bill Maher should get together to write a book.
 
2009-10-25 12:55:29 PM  
RoyBatty: Laire: Tr0mBoNe: FredaDeStilleto: Cell phones cause far more car accidents than brain tumors.

This. Handsfree sets are mandatory here and being caught jabbering without one while driving is a $400 fine.

What gets me is seeing people texting while driving.

A-farking-men. I have no idea how people could think this is safe in any way.

/best 'while-he-was-driving' experience I've seen was a girl who was reading a book while driving. I mean, wow.

I take my cellphone, palm pre, running linux, and use screen to drive a terminal running over tcp over usb hooked up to a small form factor PC installed in the trunk driving a first generation F-16 7" heads up display that I backchanneled out of AMARG in Tucson and is hooked into a 1553 board. I have a mic installed in my visor, and voice recog software running.

Most of the system integration software, I wrote either in python or as emacs macros. Love LISP.

The end result is a heads-up display that shows google maps as well as a voice recognition system that drives jabber, twitter, gaim, and allows for watching videos -- sure beats driving through traffic, but it sucks for Halo, unless I am driving in a large field, and which point the steering wheel turns is modeled as a 40 watt plasma rifle.


farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2009-10-25 12:55:55 PM  
Since this is FOX News, I can completely discount this article.
 
2009-10-25 12:56:22 PM  
Cellphones operate at energy levels orders of magnitude lower than sunlight. Anyone honestly worried about cell phones would be curled up in a fetal position during all daylight hours.
 
2009-10-25 12:56:24 PM  
So you should never, NEVER use someone's cell phone if they have ass cancer...
 
2009-10-25 12:57:09 PM  
CygnusDarius: All good things in life:

Are expensive
Are Illegal
Make you fat
Cause cancer


Bacon is not illegal ... yet.
 
2009-10-25 12:57:54 PM  
It's the distance between your pea brain and that mini microwave oven that you are yaking on,that will kill you sooner than you think.
My former neighbors two cell phone using daughters both died from brain tumors after about 9 years of cell phone use.
Keep believing your corporate criminals,they also want you believe that chemical pollution of your environment and nuclear power plants won't hurt you.
 
2009-10-25 12:59:40 PM  
I barely use a Tracfone, so i'm getting a kick...

/ Corded landline FTW.
 
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