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(The New York Times)   Old & busted: No spanking your children. New hotness: No yelling at your children. Coming soon: Why does mommy have a drinking problem?   (nytimes.com) divider line 447
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2009-10-22 12:51:35 PM
Misleading headline is misleading. Not subbys fault though... NYT started it.
 
2009-10-22 12:53:27 PM
I would never yell at you, subby. I love you too much to yell at you. You mean the world to me. You are my world. That's why you've disappointed me so much just now, do you understand? Can you understand my point? I love you so much and want to do what I can for you, but you've disappointed me so much and I'm really wondering if maybe I've made a mistake even deciding to have you as a part of my life. Sometimes you just make me think that maybe I can't keep you around, that maybe you're just never going to be even half as good as I hoped you would be. And it's not fair for me to constantly expect good things from you when I know you can't deliver them. I don't want to be unfair to you. I love you to much to be that unfair. If you love something, you have to let it go sometimes. You know? Maybe you just need to be around people who will be satisfied with you not being good enough. I just don't think I can be that person. I'm not strong enough. It's me, not you. I don't have what it takes to support your failure. But I tell you what. Let's just take a breather now, an hour or so. We'll come back and talk about this later.
 
2009-10-22 01:04:36 PM
Can somebody explain to me, just what the fark was wrong about how we were disciplined that today's parents think it needs to be so dramatically altered?
 
2009-10-22 01:06:43 PM
Even kids know what an unrestrained idiot you look like when you feel the need to scream. If you don't have a modicum of patience, don't have children.
 
2009-10-22 01:14:37 PM
Did they spank their kids back in the 30's-90's? I seem to recall reading about/experiencing parents doing that and nobody was outraged. Having said that, most of the US seems to be full of adjusted normal people.
It sure seems that these helicopter parents are related to not spanking your kids and those kids being whiny jackasses that are sheltered from the real world and wonder why they all don't win in sports/get their way.

I'm drawing an assload of ridiculous assumptions here, I know that.. and I know not all kids respond to a spanking, but America as a whole seemed to have got where we are now with spanking our kids (now adults+) and things seem fine.

My mother gave other mothers and my teachers approval to spank me/hit me if I was bad.
34, YMMV
 
2009-10-22 01:18:00 PM
platkat: Even kids know what an unrestrained idiot you look like when you feel the need to scream. If you don't have a modicum of patience, don't have children.

You obviously have never had children. No matter how calm, patient and rational you are, there are times you lose it, like when the kids are fighting over something stupid, your son refuses to even try to do his homework even when you've painstakingly told him what to do and offered to help, when the toys you asked/told/demanded to be picked up are still on the floor and you've just stepped on one in your bare feet, or you're just having a really bad day and this is what puts it over the top.

Sometimes you need to vent and there will be times where you can't vent the right way and just lose it. I'm more of a a voice raiser than a yeller but occasionally lose it. Talking rationally gets tuned out just as much as yelling -- sometimes even more so because you're never sure that your child heard you. My wife yells so infrequently that when she loses it the kids know they are in BIG trouble.

/grew up in a Jewish house -- screaming was talking
//for the most part our kids are well behaved.
 
2009-10-22 01:28:07 PM
TFA : We congratulate our toddlers for blowing their nose ("Good job!")

Jesus, man. If my toddler suddenly figured out how to blow her nose I'd throw a parade. It'd be one less thing I would have to help her with.
 
2009-10-22 01:43:12 PM
Coming soon: Why does mommy have a drinking problem?

And though she's not really feeling ill
there's a little yellow pill...
 
2009-10-22 01:46:39 PM
TFA : We congratulate our toddlers for blowing their nose ("Good job!")

The New York Times puzzles me: its news content is top-notch and for the most part it deserves its reputation as America's newspaper of record, but its lifestyle content (which btw comprises about 75% of a given issue) is horrible and seems to reveal that its readers are complete idiots.
 
2009-10-22 01:53:42 PM
Mommy drinks because you cry
 
2009-10-22 01:57:39 PM
Just buy em a TF account to keep them out of your hair and submit TF articles all day.

Oh... thats already happening?

Maybe they could approve links.

Oh...
 
2009-10-22 02:02:50 PM
But, incongruously and with regularity, this is a generation that yells.

Funny... I grew up in the 70's where the yelling was BECAUSE of Mommy's drinking.

Feck that... I holler at my kids when they deserve it. I also give them praise when they deserve it too. Nevwer "just for the helluvit".

I "friend" my kids on Facebook because I want to BE A FECKING PARENT.

I've noticed that my kids have the same disgusted reaction as me to "touchy/feely" parenting.

Maybe I'm doing something right.
 
2009-10-22 02:26:22 PM
Not only do I agree with parents spanking their children, I agree with spanking the children of total strangers when merited. Hell, I am in agreement with muzzles for children.

/Not a big fan of the little ones.
 
2009-10-22 03:03:15 PM
Ennuipoet: Not a big fan of the little ones.

I've never laughed as hard at a dinner table as I do with the wife and kids now.

/They're funny as Hell
 
2009-10-22 03:22:24 PM
Shostie: TFA : We congratulate our toddlers for blowing their nose ("Good job!")

Jesus, man. If my toddler suddenly figured out how to blow her nose I'd throw a parade. It'd be one less thing I would have to help her with.


The less I have to touch toddler snot, the better.

/I don't thave any kids, but I can see why you'd want your 3-year-old to blow her own nose.
 
2009-10-22 03:42:53 PM
If I had a kid, I'd train him/her to defend him/herself.

As I am a better teacher than practioner, within no time the toddler would inevitably be beating the living shiate out of me.
 
2009-10-22 03:53:25 PM
swingerhead: Just buy em a TF account to keep them out of your hair and submit TF articles all day.

Oh... thats already happening?

Maybe they could approve links.

Oh...


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2009-10-22 03:53:34 PM
Dr.Knockboots: most of the US seems to be full of adjusted normal people.

you must have never met a FOX News watcher.
 
2009-10-22 03:56:09 PM
12349876: Dr.Knockboots: most of the US seems to be full of adjusted normal people.

you must have never met a FOX News watcherDailyKos reader.


Meh.. too easy really. Different doesn't mean they aren't "normally adjusted".
 
2009-10-22 03:56:10 PM
12349876: you must have never met a FOX News watcher.

good point..
When i said "adjusted" i meant "but not those types"
 
2009-10-22 03:56:14 PM
I speaking to kids in a seemingly neutral tone which nevertheless sends shivers down their little spines and makes them despair of ever finding anything good or kind in this world still acceptable?

'Cause it works.

/Can do the look of death too - also effective.
 
2009-10-22 03:56:16 PM
Shostie: TFA : We congratulate our toddlers for blowing their nose ("Good job!")

Jesus, man. If my toddler suddenly figured out how to blow her nose I'd throw a parade. It'd be one less thing I would have to help her with.


This. The day my son figured out how to wipe his own face is one of my happiest memories of him.
 
2009-10-22 03:56:24 PM
Toots McGee: Can somebody explain to me, just what the fark was wrong about how we were disciplined that today's parents think it needs to be so dramatically altered?

It was unpleasant.
 
2009-10-22 03:56:27 PM
Spare the rod, spoil the child.
 
2009-10-22 03:56:31 PM
FTA: "As parents understand that it's not socially acceptable to spank children, they are at a loss for what they can do. "


This person has never visited the South.
 
2009-10-22 03:56:51 PM
There's a difference between a strong talking to and yelling and this lady demonstrates it all the time on the teevee.

www.theage.com.au
 
2009-10-22 03:56:55 PM
Pocket Ninja: I would never yell at you, subby. I love you too much to yell at you. You mean the world to me. You are my world. That's why you've disappointed me so much just now, do you understand? Can you understand my point? I love you so much and want to do what I can for you, but you've disappointed me so much and I'm really wondering if maybe I've made a mistake even deciding to have you as a part of my life. Sometimes you just make me think that maybe I can't keep you around, that maybe you're just never going to be even half as good as I hoped you would be. And it's not fair for me to constantly expect good things from you when I know you can't deliver them. I don't want to be unfair to you. I love you to much to be that unfair. If you love something, you have to let it go sometimes. You know? Maybe you just need to be around people who will be satisfied with you not being good enough. I just don't think I can be that person. I'm not strong enough. It's me, not you. I don't have what it takes to support your failure. But I tell you what. Let's just take a breather now, an hour or so. We'll come back and talk about this later.

Wow, I know it's humor but I was somehow a bit traumatized by that. I think I may have some parental issues....
 
2009-10-22 03:57:09 PM
Nogale: I Is speaking to kids in a seemingly neutral tone which nevertheless sends shivers down their little spines and makes them despair of ever finding anything good or kind in this world still acceptable?

'Cause it works.

/Can do the look of death too - also effective.


FTFM
 
2009-10-22 03:57:32 PM
Toots McGee: Can somebody explain to me, just what the fark was wrong about how we were disciplined that today's parents think it needs to be so dramatically altered?

We don't want our kids to turn out like you.
 
2009-10-22 03:58:48 PM
THANKS Pocket Ninja... Now I know exactly what to say to my boyfriend.
 
2009-10-22 03:58:52 PM
Gamer Grrrl: Shostie: TFA : We congratulate our toddlers for blowing their nose ("Good job!")

Jesus, man. If my toddler suddenly figured out how to blow her nose I'd throw a parade. It'd be one less thing I would have to help her with.

The less I have to touch toddler snot, the better.

/I don't thave any kids, but I can see why you'd want your 3-year-old to blow her own nose.


OMFG!!! TODDLER SNOT!!!
 
2009-10-22 03:59:02 PM
Wait...I'm having a premonition....

I foresee that...wait...parents are going to continue to raise their kids just like they've always done...and ignore dumbass articles like this one...yes...because kids are unpredictable, raising them is unquantifiable...yes...

And as long as you love your kids and let them know it, it seems like 95% of them end up just fine. Whew. That was tough.

It used to be in the 50's, Dr. Spock (yes, he was a real doctor) said showing your kids too much physical affection was unhealthy. Some parents did that, and their kids probably wound up being Manson's groupies. Everyone else said "you know, I wanna hug my kids" and did what they thought was best for the kids.
 
2009-10-22 03:59:08 PM
mysticcat: Mommy drinks because you cry

No, Mommy cries because I drink.

/daddy
 
2009-10-22 03:59:17 PM
Beat your kids* twice a day; If you don't know why, they do.

/also applies to wives
 
2009-10-22 03:59:52 PM
Ennuipoet: Not only do I agree with parents spanking their children, I agree with spanking the children of total strangers when merited. Hell, I am in agreement with muzzles for children.

/Not a big fan of the little ones.


I do the more subtle approach in a super market, turn my cart the same time the minion runs down the aisle screaming and let them crash into it hard.

/slowly lurks way with a banged up shopping cart.
 
2009-10-22 04:00:20 PM
Pocket Ninja: I would never yell at you, subby. I love you too much to yell at you. You mean the world to me. You are my world. That's why you've disappointed me so much just now, do you understand? Can you understand my point? I love you so much and want to do what I can for you, but you've disappointed me so much and I'm really wondering if maybe I've made a mistake even deciding to have you as a part of my life. Sometimes you just make me think that maybe I can't keep you around, that maybe you're just never going to be even half as good as I hoped you would be. And it's not fair for me to constantly expect good things from you when I know you can't deliver them. I don't want to be unfair to you. I love you to much to be that unfair. If you love something, you have to let it go sometimes. You know? Maybe you just need to be around people who will be satisfied with you not being good enough. I just don't think I can be that person. I'm not strong enough. It's me, not you. I don't have what it takes to support your failure. But I tell you what. Let's just take a breather now, an hour or so. We'll come back and talk about this later.

I'm going to stick my head in the oven ...
THEN you'll be sorry.
 
2009-10-22 04:00:31 PM
Shostie: TFA : We congratulate our toddlers for blowing their nose ("Good job!")

Jesus, man. If my toddler suddenly figured out how to blow her nose I'd throw a parade. It'd be one less thing I would have to help her with.


I threw a party when my kid hit the potty the first few times. Like monster party with party favors and hats and excitement and stuff. Parade would be a nice idea too. Would you prefer your kid be so excited at the thought of pooping in the potty they really want to make it again or should you just be like "meh, I do it all the time." I selected the first one and he was potty trained relatively early, hooray!
 
2009-10-22 04:00:51 PM
Though I'm parent who was raised when corporal punishment was the norm, I don't spank. It's not a rule or anything. I'm not above it or anything, it's just that time outs work really really well for my guy. After 3 minutes he is calm, and more importantly, I am calm. It's a nice reset.

But I do yell. I yell like my father before me and his father before him. I've actually noticed my dogs outside go into their doghouses when I've yelled. The yelling isn't sustained or anything. It's more to break through his screaming and stun him for a second to break his train of thought.
 
2009-10-22 04:02:27 PM
Spare the rod and spoil the child.

It's right there in the Good Book and these liberals just can't stand knowing that God gave them the right instructions already, so they've got to keep defying His Word in whatever way they can.

America, I pray for you.
 
2009-10-22 04:02:44 PM
I was spanked. I needed to be spanked. I will spank. This has nothing to do with my Monkey.
 
2009-10-22 04:02:47 PM
Gamer Grrrl:

.......The less I have to touch toddler snot, the better........



Toddler Snot.

Band. Name.
 
2009-10-22 04:03:01 PM
mysticcat: Mommy drinks because you cry

My kids wonder why I drink so much. I wonder why I don't drink more.
 
2009-10-22 04:03:21 PM
mysticcat: Mommy drinks because you cry

I thought it was "Daddy Drinks Because You Cry" and I remember it as a book title. FARK don't fail me now!
 
2009-10-22 04:03:35 PM
My kid will get both spankings and talking-to's when warranted. He will also get praise and unconditional love. He's only 7 months old so he has a little while to get his act together before the belt comes off.
Skinned knee - no crying and rub some dirt in it
Being bullied - I'll teach you how to stand up for yourself
Being a bully - I'll show you what it feels like to be bullied
Back-talk me or your mother - you get a slap on the mouth (not hard) and sent to bed

I'm not a hard-ass but I'm not raising a pussy either. My wife agrees.
 
2009-10-22 04:03:54 PM
FTA: "If someone yelled at you at work, you'd find that pretty jarring. We don't apply that standard to children."

Well, sure. But I also don't crap in my pants and then reach in, so I can use my shiat as finger paint for the office walls. If I did, then I think a little yelling may be warranted.
 
2009-10-22 04:03:55 PM
I lock mine out of the house when he pissed me off. Seems to have worked okay. He's eighteen now and a pretty good kid/geek. Technically my little brother but I raised his ass hence the geek part.
 
2009-10-22 04:04:01 PM
Dr.Knockboots: Did they spank their kids back in the 30's-90's? I seem to recall reading about/experiencing parents doing that and nobody was outraged. Having said that, most of the US seems to be full of adjusted normal people.
It sure seems that these helicopter parents are related to not spanking your kids and those kids being whiny jackasses that are sheltered from the real world and wonder why they all don't win in sports/get their way.

I'm drawing an assload of ridiculous assumptions here, I know that.. and I know not all kids respond to a spanking, but America as a whole seemed to have got where we are now with spanking our kids (now adults+) and things seem fine.

My mother gave other mothers and my teachers approval to spank me/hit me if I was bad.
34, YMMV



I find that it's easy to know who are kids here (Fark) that didn't get spanked or such.

They're usually the snotty know-it-alls.

/kids know when they are in trouble.
/doesn't raise voice often, but it matters when I do.
/promised all of them that if they deserve one, I'd still spank them even if they'd reach 49. All are over 12 now, and know that I'm still serious and will still be able to back up my promise for a long time
 
2009-10-22 04:04:22 PM
OlafTheBent: Ennuipoet: Not a big fan of the little ones.

I've never laughed as hard at a dinner table as I do with the wife and kids now.

/They're funny as Hell


Children are a life ruining experience that will mess up your careers and social life forever. I fail to understand why people want to have them...
 
2009-10-22 04:04:36 PM
Passive aggressive anger and guilt are much more effective methods of bringing your kids up right.
 
2009-10-22 04:05:01 PM
Old enough to talk back? Old enough to get farked up.
 
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