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(Jalopnik)   Miss the Buick Regal? Yeah, pretty sure nobody else did either, but it's back anyway baby   (jalopnik.com) divider line 69
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2009-10-14 11:44:55 PM
Buick? Buick? Buick?
 
2009-10-15 12:08:01 AM
I will say that the inside and outside of the Buick Lacrosse looks pretty damn impressive.
 
2009-10-15 12:11:43 AM
Once the old ladies are done driving 20mph under the speed limit to and from church I'm sure a bunch of high school kids will love farking in the back seat.
 
2009-10-15 12:11:59 AM
Dr.Knockboots: I will say that the inside and outside of the Buick Lacrosse looks pretty damn impressive.

This, but how the fark did the old fark line survive while Pontiac met it's demise. The Lacrosse should have been rebadged and the rest laid to rest.
 
2009-10-15 12:16:55 AM
2wheeljunkie: This, but how the fark did the old fark line survive while Pontiac met it's demise. The Lacrosse should have been rebadged and the rest laid to rest.

The septuagenarians who run GM know more old biddies who drive Buicks than young people who drive Pontiacs.
 
2009-10-15 01:47:10 AM
My brother has a black 83 Regal with turbo...it was awesome...when it ran.
 
2009-10-15 01:49:25 AM
2wheeljunkie: Dr.Knockboots: I will say that the inside and outside of the Buick Lacrosse looks pretty damn impressive.

This, but how the fark did the old fark line survive while Pontiac met it's demise. The Lacrosse should have been rebadged and the rest laid to rest.


I don't know how big of a part it played, but apparently the Buick is wildly popular in China.
 
2009-10-15 01:51:03 AM
so gm is going to get bailouted again in five years?
 
2009-10-15 02:16:04 AM
i40.tinypic.com
Bring back the Riviera
 
2009-10-15 02:17:44 AM
An '83 with the 3.8 was my first car back in '90. I might still have it if it wasn't for a tachophobe who needlessly slowed to a crawl on a slick road.
 
2009-10-15 02:22:32 AM
the picture of the car in the article is not ugly. Its already got that over 99% of other buicks.
 
2009-10-15 03:22:17 AM
If you mean the Grand National or GNX, then I dare say lots of people miss it.
 
2009-10-15 03:28:05 AM
Regal GS was a pretty decent sleeper.

L67 for the win.

/00 GTP Coupe
 
2009-10-15 03:46:27 AM
My college car, 1978 Buick Regal. Enormous bench seats. Perfect for road trips with buddies and the endings of good dates.
 
2009-10-15 04:13:40 AM
anythingonwheels.files.wordpress.com

I miss the Regal.
 
2009-10-15 04:19:40 AM
WhyteRaven74: If you mean the T-Type, Grand National or GNX, then I dare say lots of people miss it.

FTFY

I didn't RTFT before my Boobies but you are correct.
 
2009-10-15 05:50:55 AM
Oh, they're FINALLY bringing that over here. I've been making noises that they should for quite a while.

It's an Opel Insignia. A pretty good car really. I'd actually look at it.

www.blogcdn.com

They should make a Chevy version too so that people who don't want to buy an "old-people car" will buy it, though.
 
2009-10-15 07:05:46 AM
DemonEater: Oh, they're FINALLY bringing that over here. I've been making noises that they should for quite a while.

It's an Opel Insignia. A pretty good car really. I'd actually look at it.



They should make a Chevy version too so that people who don't want to buy an "old-people car" will buy it, though.


and one for caddy so they can fill out there line. the name badge game is why gm failed.
 
2009-10-15 07:30:47 AM
DemonEater: Oh, they're FINALLY bringing that over here. I've been making noises that they should for quite a while.

It's an Opel Insignia. A pretty good car really. I'd actually look at it.



They should make a Chevy version too so that people who don't want to buy an "old-people car" will buy it, though.


I'm pretty sure the Malibu is the Chevy version.
 
2009-10-15 08:01:39 AM
Who makes these decisions???
 
2009-10-15 08:22:11 AM
They missed the fun part:

Base (and possibly only) engine is likely to be a 4 banger. GM's starting to wedge 4 bangers into Buicks now. Because everyone wants a 4000 lb car with a 4 banger in it...
 
2009-10-15 08:24:44 AM
GM still badge engineering I see
 
2009-10-15 08:28:38 AM
fark GM. I hope they get crushed.
 
2009-10-15 08:54:28 AM
"Lacrosse" Canadiens snicker. Buick appeals to the geezermobile crowd and nobody else.
 
2009-10-15 09:31:49 AM
aearra: "Lacrosse" Canadiens snicker. Buick appeals to the geezermobile crowd and nobody else.

Maybe a few years ago.

www.centuryclubofsandiego.org
 
2009-10-15 09:32:18 AM
Owned a 1988 and 1998 Regal.

Dont miss it. Own a Lacrosse now.

Never buying from Government Motors again.
 
2009-10-15 09:37:36 AM
Accent: aearra: "Lacrosse" Canadiens snicker. Buick appeals to the geezermobile crowd and nobody else.

Maybe a few years ago.


The problem is no matter how cool you make the car, you can't escape the fact that someone's grandma also owns that car. It's really hard to sell 30-40 year old guys going through a midlife crisis something with the same name as what grandma drives, even if the new model does look flashy.

There is something to be said for badge engineering if done right and keeping Pontiac around to appeal to the people concerned about appearing old.
 
2009-10-15 09:38:29 AM
I third or fourth bringing back the Grand National.

Also, why does everything have to be a 'sports sedan'? There is nothing better on the highway than a large car with pillow top seats and spongy suspension. You can drive them all day, get out, and not feel like you just went up against Mike Tyson.

I had an 80 Skylark (The sedan equivalent of an xB), and while not the most reliable or beautiful car, it was comfortable to drive.
 
2009-10-15 09:52:14 AM
ha-ha-guy:

The problem is no matter how cool you make the car, you can't escape the fact that someone's grandma also owns that car. It's really hard to sell 30-40 year old guys going through a midlife crisis something with the same name as what grandma drives, even if the new model does look flashy.

There is something to be said for badge engineering if done right and keeping Pontiac around to appeal to the people concerned about appearing old.


I agree with you to a point, but there may be a point where all the flashy lights and voodoo map technology might just scare grandma away. They probably created the LaCrosse (which took the place of the Regal) just for the purpose of introducing a new name... the next generation of Regal might have looked identical to the LaCrosse.

From what I have read, Buick is the "Cadillac" over in China. Just a perception thing, I guess... just have to make sure to avoid the 4-cylinders... can't drive a 2 ton machine with anything less than a V6.
 
2009-10-15 10:24:06 AM
Accent: ha-ha-guy:

The problem is no matter how cool you make the car, you can't escape the fact that someone's grandma also owns that car. It's really hard to sell 30-40 year old guys going through a midlife crisis something with the same name as what grandma drives, even if the new model does look flashy.

There is something to be said for badge engineering if done right and keeping Pontiac around to appeal to the people concerned about appearing old.

I agree with you to a point, but there may be a point where all the flashy lights and voodoo map technology might just scare grandma away. They probably created the LaCrosse (which took the place of the Regal) just for the purpose of introducing a new name... the next generation of Regal might have looked identical to the LaCrosse.

From what I have read, Buick is the "Cadillac" over in China. Just a perception thing, I guess... just have to make sure to avoid the 4-cylinders... can't drive a 2 ton machine with anything less than a V6.


The American version (well actually Canadian since it is being made up in Oshawa) will likely come with a direct injected 4 cylinder options and a six cylinder directed injected option. That 4 banger will produce plenty of power for the sedan. Given the more efficient transmissions and direct injected engines we can give you a pleasurable driving exprience using a direct injected four cylinder. If you aren't terribly concerned with fuel econ/want to be able to hang out in the left lane and pass almost everything else on the road a direct injected 6 cylinder will do the trick.
 
2009-10-15 10:29:06 AM
CastorPimp: GM still badge engineering I see

Name someone who doesn't. Even Porsche does it.
 
2009-10-15 10:36:21 AM
Dr.Knockboots: I will say that the inside and outside of the Buick Lacrosse looks pretty damn impressive.

Yes it does. It's very sharp.

Here's my problem however: They've priced it as if it is a direct competitor to the Lexus ES line. Bad move. Cadillac is GM's competitor to Lexus and Infiniti, not Buick.

Buick is still thought of as an "old peoples car" and that image isn't going to change overnight. 30somethings (or even 40somethings for that matter) aren't going to spend that kind of coin on a Buick when they can get a Lexus, Infiniti, or even BMW for the same money. Just not going to happen.
 
2009-10-15 10:41:33 AM
NASAM: Dr.Knockboots: I will say that the inside and outside of the Buick Lacrosse looks pretty damn impressive.

Yes it does. It's very sharp.

Here's my problem however: They've priced it as if it is a direct competitor to the Lexus ES line. Bad move. Cadillac is GM's competitor to Lexus and Infiniti, not Buick.

Buick is still thought of as an "old peoples car" and that image isn't going to change overnight. 30somethings (or even 40somethings for that matter) aren't going to spend that kind of coin on a Buick when they can get a Lexus, Infiniti, or even BMW for the same money. Just not going to happen.


Cadillac does not compete with Lexus. We compete with BMW, Mercedes and other luxury brands that are "sport luxury". We have no interest in pimp slapping down Lexus or other luxury for the sake of luxury brands.

/okay Lexus has one or two models we want to pimp slap down, but its primarily Buick's job to handle Lexus
//just like al BMWs and Mercedes are not sport luxury
 
2009-10-15 10:42:52 AM
This is why they kept Buick:

www.jillstanek.com
 
2009-10-15 10:58:37 AM
CrackedEgg: fark GM. I hope they get crushed.

Why do you hate America?
 
2009-10-15 11:02:50 AM
Dr.Knockboots: I will say that the inside and outside of the Buick Lacrosse looks pretty damn impressive.

Test drove one a little while ago, much improved over the old Lacrosse model. Decided to go with a Maxima instead, the Buick was too expensive for what you got.
 
2009-10-15 11:14:29 AM
ha-ha-guy

Cadillac does not compete with Lexus. We compete with BMW, Mercedes and other luxury brands that are "sport luxury". We have no interest in pimp slapping down Lexus or other luxury for the sake of luxury brands.

My 2009 Cadillac CTS-V competes with Porsche and Ferrari...and easily wins.
 
2009-10-15 11:19:04 AM
Rapmaster2000: CastorPimp: GM still badge engineering I see

Name someone who doesn't. Even Porsche does it.


BMW

Mercedes-Benz
 
2009-10-15 11:31:50 AM
cache.jalopnik.com

I really think you ought to buy this Buick.
You ought to buy it right now.
This Buick is you.
This is your car!
Stanley Dewoski is Buick Centurion Convertible.
 
2009-10-15 11:47:23 AM
Dr.Knockboots: I will say that the inside and outside of the Buick Lacrosse looks pretty damn impressive.

My Dad just bought one of those. He can afford anything he wants and he liked it the best. Man it is NICE inside and out for under 40 grand. Buick did good with that redesign. They are really raising the bar for domestic cars. (for their older target audience that is...)
 
2009-10-15 12:06:34 PM
CastorPimp: Rapmaster2000: CastorPimp: GM still badge engineering I see

Name someone who doesn't. Even Porsche does it.

BMW

Mercedes-Benz


BMW has announced plans to create the '0' series which is a Mini Cooper with a BMW name on it.

So you've got 1 left.
 
2009-10-15 12:11:01 PM
WhyteRaven74: GNX

I'd give my left nut and my first born child for a GNX. Would be willing to settle for my left nut for a Grand National if I had too.
 
2009-10-15 12:22:54 PM
Rapmaster2000: CastorPimp: Rapmaster2000: CastorPimp: GM still badge engineering I see

Name someone who doesn't. Even Porsche does it.

BMW

Mercedes-Benz

BMW has announced plans to create the '0' series which is a Mini Cooper with a BMW name on it.

So you've got 1 left.


As a BMW enthusiast... wait, what? I hadn't heard of this. Checking the Googles now.

*checks*

Yep.^ This is a bad idea. It is a bad idea that will get out of control and we will be lucky to live through it.

FWD BMW? Bridging the gap between Mini and 1-Series? Whose dumb, brand-diluting idea was THIS?? If you need a decontented base car, make a decontented 1-Series. In fact, the 1-Series as a whole needs to be cheaper. Brand dilution and FWD are not a good answer.
 
2009-10-15 12:26:54 PM
DemonEater: They should make a Chevy version too so that people who don't want to buy an "old-people car" will buy it, though.

I won't buy one unless they bring over their diesels, too.
 
2009-10-15 12:30:15 PM
The Dreaded Rear Admiral: Rapmaster2000: CastorPimp: Rapmaster2000: CastorPimp: GM still badge engineering I see

Name someone who doesn't. Even Porsche does it.

BMW

Mercedes-Benz

BMW has announced plans to create the '0' series which is a Mini Cooper with a BMW name on it.

So you've got 1 left.

As a BMW enthusiast... wait, what? I hadn't heard of this. Checking the Googles now.

*checks*

Yep.^ This is a bad idea. It is a bad idea that will get out of control and we will be lucky to live through it.

FWD BMW? Bridging the gap between Mini and 1-Series? Whose dumb, brand-diluting idea was THIS?? If you need a decontented base car, make a decontented 1-Series. In fact, the 1-Series as a whole needs to be cheaper. Brand dilution and FWD are not a good answer.


BMW's most recent models have been some real head scratchers.

First, there's the X3 which is basically a small SUV for young women. Not really necessary, but I guess they wanted to compete with the Freelander.

Then, there's the 1-Series, which sounded like a good idea. It sounded like an enthusiasts car, but it ended up only weighing 300 pounds less than the 3-series and reviewers hated the driving dynamics. Apparently, the car doesn't transmit feeling well. The consensus is, it's a cheaper BMW for housewives.

Then, they come out with the X6 - which is basically the answer to a question no one asked. I know a woman who is trying to get pregnant and she can't wait to get this car to go with motherhood or something like that.

And now this. From what I can tell, BMW is becoming a brand for upper-middle class women.

And don't get me started on the rest of the lineup, which is becoming a bunch of bloated technobarges. What happened to the old BMW. I blame Bangle, and Americans.
 
2009-10-15 12:45:39 PM
Rapmaster2000: The Dreaded Rear Admiral: Rapmaster2000: CastorPimp: Rapmaster2000: CastorPimp: GM still badge engineering I see

Name someone who doesn't. Even Porsche does it.

BMW

Mercedes-Benz

BMW has announced plans to create the '0' series which is a Mini Cooper with a BMW name on it.

So you've got 1 left.

As a BMW enthusiast... wait, what? I hadn't heard of this. Checking the Googles now.

*checks*

Yep.^ This is a bad idea. It is a bad idea that will get out of control and we will be lucky to live through it.

FWD BMW? Bridging the gap between Mini and 1-Series? Whose dumb, brand-diluting idea was THIS?? If you need a decontented base car, make a decontented 1-Series. In fact, the 1-Series as a whole needs to be cheaper. Brand dilution and FWD are not a good answer.

BMW's most recent models have been some real head scratchers.

First, there's the X3 which is basically a small SUV for young women. Not really necessary, but I guess they wanted to compete with the Freelander.

Then, there's the 1-Series, which sounded like a good idea. It sounded like an enthusiasts car, but it ended up only weighing 300 pounds less than the 3-series and reviewers hated the driving dynamics. Apparently, the car doesn't transmit feeling well. The consensus is, it's a cheaper BMW for housewives.

Then, they come out with the X6 - which is basically the answer to a question no one asked. I know a woman who is trying to get pregnant and she can't wait to get this car to go with motherhood or something like that.

And now this. From what I can tell, BMW is becoming a brand for upper-middle class women.

And don't get me started on the rest of the lineup, which is becoming a bunch of bloated technobarges. What happened to the old BMW. I blame Bangle, and Americans.


I agree with just about everything you said, although I rather like the X3 from a design standpoint. Basically a 3-series for soccer moms that need a bit more room (and can't stand to drive a 3-series wagon, the horror!). I GET it. It has a niche.

The X6 - hit the nail on the head. Who was clamoring for this car? Again, I don't think it looks necessarily ugly, but... WHY? Who needed a 5-series with worse dymanics and a higher center of gravity and couldn't be served by an X5??

The 1-Series is a disappointment. I'd jump all over a 135 in Sport spec (2004 325Ci at the moment, previously '99 740iL) for $5k (and 400-lbs) less.

I wish the company was still run by engineers.
 
2009-10-15 12:57:46 PM
Speedbts alt: 2wheeljunkie: Dr.Knockboots: I will say that the inside and outside of the Buick Lacrosse looks pretty damn impressive.

This, but how the fark did the old fark line survive while Pontiac met it's demise. The Lacrosse should have been rebadged and the rest laid to rest.

I don't know how big of a part it played, but apparently the Buick is wildly popular in China.


The popularity in China is the only reason they kept the brand. The new LaCrosse was actually designed in China (new window) to appeal to the Chinese market, to the point of making rear seat comfort the focus of the car because Buicks are used mainly as limos over there.
 
2009-10-15 12:59:15 PM
MoeSzyslak: I miss the Regal.

Quickest car I've ever driven was a co-worker's GN. He had it modded to hell and gone with a turbo the size of a 747 engine, etc. Farker would tunnel you out from a 25 mph roll, then, vision regained, you're doing 90. Stupid quick.

/loves teh turbos
 
2009-10-15 01:01:41 PM
PsychoPhil: They missed the fun part:

Base (and possibly only) engine is likely to be a 4 banger. GM's starting to wedge 4 bangers into Buicks now. Because everyone wants a 4000 lb car with a 4 banger in it...


It's OK as long as it has a turbo.

/and the engine is flat
//and is AWD
///and the rear end says "Subaru" on it
 
2009-10-15 01:15:48 PM
Dr.Knockboots: I will say that the inside and outside of the Buick Lacrosse looks pretty damn impressive.

I rented a LaCrosse not too long ago. Very smooth and quiet ride. Car handled nicely.

The Dodge Challenger I rented on the second leg of the trip sucked big green donkey dicks.
 
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