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2009-10-14 12:55:45 AM  
redmid17: Haha you laugh. At my high school, this is the kind of shiat that would happen. Honor Roll white kid, max suspension no questions asked. Black kid, a couple of days in school. It was ridiculous.

Exact opposite at my school...but then again, East Texas.
 
2009-10-14 12:55:52 AM  
Abstruse: Mimic_Octopus: at least two people a day at work (software engineer) and another after (pool halls) ask me for a blade or fire. NYC/MIA/PDX.

Dude, do you work in Hell's Kitchen pre-Giuliani or something? WTF does a software engineer need with a knife?


You certainly could never use a small knife as a letter opener, for cutting packaging materials, or a dozen uses I don't feel like thinking of right now.
 
2009-10-14 12:56:05 AM  
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I... I just give up. The world (Ok North America) is turning into one big pussified nanny stat. What next? Wait, don't answer that.

/glad I live in Canada
//waiting for the same bullsh*t to happen here, if it hasn't already...
 
2009-10-14 12:57:05 AM  
Theaetetus: Unknown_Poltroon: I have pronoun problems.

Then I'm not sure we can trust you with a knife.

"I stabbed him... no, wait, her... No, myself. Crap. Them?"


I can have your knife when them pry it from his cold dead fingers?
 
2009-10-14 12:57:07 AM  
MentalMoment: Theaetetus: TFA: "And they said, 'Do you own a knife?' I said, 'Yes, I'm a soldier and an Eagle Scout - I own a knife.'

I'm a surprised no one jumped on this for the 17-year old "soldier". I don't think watching Red Dawn every weekend makes you part of the military.

Well the article does say Whalen had completed 10 weeks of basic military training. That's longer than basic training for 4 of the 5 U.S. military branches.

/A whole lot of 'Whalen said' in this article.


Wrong. Basic for the Army is 10 weeks, Marines is 13, Navy and Air Force are 6 weeks I believe.

Additionally, it's been said already but a 17 year old can complete basic training between the Junior and Senior years, or if they graduate early or enter the military at age 17 after his or her parents sign a waiver. Trust me, I know. It often creates a problem when they move into MOS training after basic training because they are essentially still minors, and can get into trouble much easier for things like having sex wtaihsomeone older.
 
2009-10-14 12:57:08 AM  
Theaetetus: TFA: "And they said, 'Do you own a knife?' I said, 'Yes, I'm a soldier and an Eagle Scout - I own a knife.'

I'm a surprised no one jumped on this for the 17-year old "soldier". I don't think watching Red Dawn every weekend makes you part of the military.


He had already completed Basic Training during the summer break between his Junior and Senior years of high school. Once you graduate Basic, that makes you a soldier.
Kid is way too high speed/low drag for me
 
2009-10-14 12:57:17 AM  
Abstruse: Mimic_Octopus: how do you open the box the new router came in? or the new mice, whichever your skill level?

Wait, your SOFTWARE engineers install the routers/mice?



Oh, and the RAM chip I use as a keychain is a better box opener than anything else I've ever used, including box cutters.


are you drunk or did you forget that you said you still do tech support? i got out of that decades ago in blue lake with ibm.
 
2009-10-14 12:57:33 AM  
Abstruse: Sure there is. It's a weapon. Leave it in the car or at home.

This kid tried leaving it in the car, look where it got him.

Abstruse: Once again, I'd lay down good money that if this kid were black or hispanic, you people would be cheering the quick-thinking of the administration.

Can someone get the That's Racist pic ready?
 
2009-10-14 12:58:28 AM  
davidphogan: Does Fark have a rule that other sources or your own simple research are automatically excluded? Or are you just too lazy to Google a person's name and see what stories might be related before forming a biased opinion?

I did do my research, son. If you did your own, you'd see that the story only has one interview, Whalen's. That's why it sounds a little suspect to me. But don't let basic critical thinking get between you and your outrage. Go on, drink up. Grape's delish.
 
2009-10-14 12:58:46 AM  
Abstruse: TurnerBrown: Really need to go to a voucher system, so the scardy cats can send their kids to snowflake school, and the adults can send their kids to something that prepares them for life. Jesus Campkeeps them away from ignorant trolls
FTFYM


Not every private school is a religios scool you idiot. and if we had vouchers, most would not be. Goverment schools started when most towns were so small there was no way they could support more than one small school house, now most people clive in areas that could support a number of schools. The economics have changed, so should the supply.
 
2009-10-14 12:59:10 AM  
Yeah, I've posted this before in zero tolerance threads, but I'll say it again.

I took archery as a PE elective in high school. Nobody was afraid that the football field would suddenly turn into Agincourt. What is wrong with people now?

Before you think that I'm one of the "Off my lawn" types, I graduated in 1997. Now get off my lawn.
 
2009-10-14 12:59:11 AM  
davidphogan: This kid tried leaving it in the car, look where it got him.

Yeah, and the administration is stupid for punishing him for it. If he'd had it ON HIM, like the kid from the previous thread, I would support them. In this case, they're just being retarded.
 
2009-10-14 01:00:00 AM  
Knucklepopper: Mimic_Octopus: at least two people a day at work (software engineer) and another after (pool halls) ask me for a blade or fire. NYC/MIA/PDX.

'Scuse me, but you said every child over the age of five should be carrying a lighter and a knife. Stick to that. This has nothing to do with you, at 40, carrying either one. I was enjoying your level of disturbed before you started to rationalize it.


ok.... 5+ yrs... from my history... whittle spear to fish, cut rope for rope swing. fix go cart, work on bicycle, kill snake trying to get your fish, carve initials in tree to prove you climbed the highest, etc...
 
2009-10-14 01:00:07 AM  
Abstruse: redmid17: Haha you laugh. At my high school, this is the kind of shiat that would happen. Honor Roll white kid, max suspension no questions asked. Black kid, a couple of days in school. It was ridiculous.

Exact opposite at my school...but then again, East Texas.


Yeah, I went to a high school that was half suburban/half urban environment in Indianapolis(if that can make sense). I understand in east Texas though.
 
2009-10-14 01:00:09 AM  
TurnerBrown: Not every private school is a religios scool you idiot. and if we had vouchers, most would not be. Goverment schools started when most towns were so small there was no way they could support more than one small school house, now most people clive in areas that could support a number of schools. The economics have changed, so should the supply.

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2009-10-14 01:00:37 AM  
TurnerBrown: Not every private school is a religios scool you idiot.

I'm not sure if this is a very clever post advocating for more options in education, or the illiterate rantings of a complete farking idiot.
 
2009-10-14 01:01:16 AM  
Good thing we prevented this outlaw from causing problems, and certainly didn't do anything to cause him to question authority.
 
2009-10-14 01:01:24 AM  
salmo: Yeah, I've posted this before in zero tolerance threads, but I'll say it again.

I took archery as a PE elective in high school. Nobody was afraid that the football field would suddenly turn into Agincourt. What is wrong with people now?

Before you think that I'm one of the "Off my lawn" types, I graduated in 1997. Now get off my lawn.


Of course it wasn't gonna turn into Agincourt. You can't teach someone a longbow in a couple of weeks. Most of the kids probably couldn't even draw a longbow.
 
2009-10-14 01:02:12 AM  
Abstruse: Mimic_Octopus: ok, I'll keep humoring you. open a box, strip a wire, slice some salami and cheese on break, tighten screws in white board that is loose on wall. pick crud out from your fingernails after weekend camping while trying to write a routine, etc.

SOFTWARE engineer.


do you really wait for people to come fix your wires? do you not help out your NOC when there is a server down and your condo is the closest to the colo center? you must be a great team member... i can also open the little single server coffee things they have in teh break room...
 
2009-10-14 01:02:14 AM  
Knucklepopper: I did do my research, son. If you did your own, you'd see that the story only has one interview, Whalen's. That's why it sounds a little suspect to me. But don't let basic critical thinking get between you and your outrage. Go on, drink up. Grape's delish.

If the district had a story in the past 5 days they could have contacted the media. I really doubt they have a coherent response, but keep being condescending and all.

Abstruse: Yeah, and the administration is stupid for punishing him for it. If he'd had it ON HIM, like the kid from the previous thread, I would support them. In this case, they're just being retarded.

Fair enough, I misunderstood your post. Sorry, dude. So many people seemed to be outraged (while ignoring TFA/related articles) I mistakenly assumed you were on that bus.
 
2009-10-14 01:02:42 AM  
Mimic_Octopus: ok.... 5+ yrs... from my history... whittle spear to fish, cut rope for rope swing. fix go cart, work on bicycle, kill snake trying to get your fish, carve initials in tree to prove you climbed the highest, etc...

All that in school? Wow, I'm so impressed.
 
2009-10-14 01:02:48 AM  
Am I the only one who was wondering why he would need a survival kit in his car? Where is he driving if he thinks he might need a sleeping bag and knife? At school, in New York, no less.
 
2009-10-14 01:03:03 AM  
"Cool Story, Bro" time!

Back when I was in school, everyone and their sister had a chain wallet. The school administrators declared these "weapons" and confiscated them. Our response was to take other everyday objects and label them "weapon". One guy wore a plain white t-shirt that said "weapon" (take it off and it's a strangulation tool), one guy wrote "weapon" on his shoelaces (same), one guy wore a ballpoint pen on a choker (stabbing weapon), etc.
 
2009-10-14 01:03:07 AM  
Unknown_Poltroon:
My ancestors didn't spend 20 million years evolving so I could STOP being a tool user. There is no ration reason why a 17 year old cant carry a 2' pocket knife to school.


Well, you're certainly a tool, so you've got that going for you.

Mimic_Octopus:
how do you open the box the new router came in? or the new mice, whichever your skill level?

i357.photobucket.com
 
2009-10-14 01:03:29 AM  
Mr. Breeze: MentalMoment: Theaetetus: TFA: "And they said, 'Do you own a knife?' I said, 'Yes, I'm a soldier and an Eagle Scout - I own a knife.'

I'm a surprised no one jumped on this for the 17-year old "soldier". I don't think watching Red Dawn every weekend makes you part of the military.

Well the article does say Whalen had completed 10 weeks of basic military training. That's longer than basic training for 4 of the 5 U.S. military branches.

/A whole lot of 'Whalen said' in this article.

Wrong. Basic for the Army is 10 weeks, Marines is 13, Navy and Air Force are 6 weeks I believe.

Additionally, it's been said already but a 17 year old can complete basic training between the Junior and Senior years, or if they graduate early or enter the military at age 17 after his or her parents sign a waiver. Trust me, I know. It often creates a problem when they move into MOS training after basic training because they are essentially still minors, and can get into trouble much easier for things like having sex wtaihsomeone older.


I never heard of anybody going to basic training and then getting to come home like their returning from summer camp. Unless if they were let go.

A lot has been said. I just haven't seen much proof for these go to Basic Training for the summer type programs.

Have any?
 
2009-10-14 01:03:35 AM  
Theaetetus: Knucklepopper: 'Scuse me, but you said every male child over the age of five should be carrying a lighter and a knife. Stick to that.

FTFY.
I'm still wondering why he simultaneously complains that women won't rush to defend him from a burglar, and yet refuses to give them knives.


where do you get complaint? and not expecting it is not the same as not giving it. you gay by any chance?
 
2009-10-14 01:03:50 AM  
redmid17: Of course it wasn't gonna turn into Agincourt. You can't teach someone a longbow in a couple of weeks. Most of the kids probably couldn't even draw a longbow.

I have a 6' tall linen-backed longbow, so I'm really getting a kick out of some of these replies...
 
2009-10-14 01:04:14 AM  
davidphogan: If the district had a story in the past 5 days they could have contacted the media. I really doubt they have a coherent response, but keep being condescending and all.

Actually, they do have a response, and a rational one. But again, don't let basic critical thinking get in your way. Drink up, you're almost done and there's more!

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=852474
 
2009-10-14 01:04:21 AM  
Alx_xlA: Am I the only one who was wondering why he would need a survival kit in his car? Where is he driving if he thinks he might need a sleeping bag and knife? At school, in New York, no less.

Be Prepared. No asterisk, no conditionals, no exceptions.
 
2009-10-14 01:04:55 AM  
Fano: Abstruse: Mimic_Octopus: at least two people a day at work (software engineer) and another after (pool halls) ask me for a blade or fire. NYC/MIA/PDX.

Dude, do you work in Hell's Kitchen pre-Giuliani or something? WTF does a software engineer need with a knife?

You certainly could never use a small knife as a letter opener, for cutting packaging materials, or a dozen uses I don't feel like thinking of right now.


i do all the time... why are you not able to open a paper envelope with a pocket knife? are you handicapped?
 
2009-10-14 01:05:37 AM  
Mimic_Octopus: where do you get complaint? and not expecting it is not the same as not giving it. you gay by any chance?

Yeah, he's so flaming he only carries a spork, can you imagine?
 
2009-10-14 01:05:47 AM  
Mimic_Octopus: Theaetetus: Knucklepopper: 'Scuse me, but you said every male child over the age of five should be carrying a lighter and a knife. Stick to that.

FTFY.
I'm still wondering why he simultaneously complains that women won't rush to defend him from a burglar, and yet refuses to give them knives.

where do you get complaint? and not expecting it is not the same as not giving it.


You objected when I asked why girls shouldn't carry them too.

you gay by any chance?

Sorry, no. You'll have to find your down-low glory hole lovin' elsewhere.
 
2009-10-14 01:06:21 AM  
Alx_xlA: Am I the only one who was wondering why he would need a survival kit in his car? Where is he driving if he thinks he might need a sleeping bag and knife? At school, in New York, no less.

Um, I live around DC and i have one. Use Eagle scouts take that be prepared shiat seriously, specially when you would have to drive through a major metropolitan area (that you have seen attacked once already in the past decade) to get home.
 
2009-10-14 01:06:43 AM  
Theaetetus: I'm not sure if this is a very clever post advocating for more options in education, or the illiterate rantings of a complete farking idiot.

Meh, I am tired and farking while I am pulling data for tomorrows field work. I also don't bother to check my spelling for obvious obtuse/abstrus trolls.
 
2009-10-14 01:06:45 AM  
Alx_xlA: Am I the only one who was wondering why he would need a survival kit in his car? Where is he driving if he thinks he might need a sleeping bag and knife? At school, in New York, no less.

Apparently you don't comprehend "be prepared."

Also, to repeat a common post of mine: fark you if you are determining my, or anyone else's needs, based on your desire to control things. Why don't you just put the whole world in a bottle?
 
2009-10-14 01:07:10 AM  
Unknown_Poltroon: Use Eagle scouts take that be prepared shiat seriously

You do have pronoun problems...
 
2009-10-14 01:07:15 AM  
Knucklepopper: Mimic_Octopus: ok.... 5+ yrs... from my history... whittle spear to fish, cut rope for rope swing. fix go cart, work on bicycle, kill snake trying to get your fish, carve initials in tree to prove you climbed the highest, etc...

All that in school? Wow, I'm so impressed.


did you have to go home and check in every day before dark? no wonder you don't get it. seriously, are you guys farking with me?
 
2009-10-14 01:07:23 AM  
Unknown_Poltroon: Um, I live around DC and i have one. Use Eagle scouts take that be prepared shiat seriously, specially when you would have to drive through a major metropolitan area (that you have seen attacked once already in the past decade) to get home.

Too bad they don't teach basic sentence structure. You'd be money ahead.
 
2009-10-14 01:07:46 AM  
Mimic_Octopus: do you really wait for people to come fix your wires? do you not help out your NOC when there is a server down and your condo is the closest to the colo center? you must be a great team member...

Yeah, I do. Because I get fired if I don't. It's not my job to maintain our network (as several of us have been told many times). The sysadmin and internal IT threatened to sue if we kept fixing our own hardware problems because it was "crossing crafts" and endangering their job security. Don't know if they understood we can't even TALK about forming a union here, but it seemed to impress the corporate overlords enough that they sent down the mandate that we were NOT to do ANY hardware changes to our systems.

And what sort of pissant company do you work for that they do colocation?
 
2009-10-14 01:08:42 AM  
Mimic_Octopus: Fano: Abstruse: Mimic_Octopus: at least two people a day at work (software engineer) and another after (pool halls) ask me for a blade or fire. NYC/MIA/PDX.

Dude, do you work in Hell's Kitchen pre-Giuliani or something? WTF does a software engineer need with a knife?

You certainly could never use a small knife as a letter opener, for cutting packaging materials, or a dozen uses I don't feel like thinking of right now.

i do all the time... why are you not able to open a paper envelope with a pocket knife? are you handicapped?


?zuh? I was mocking the idea that a pocket knife doesn't have lots of daily uses for people in any field.
 
2009-10-14 01:09:41 AM  
MentalMoment: Mr. Breeze: MentalMoment: Theaetetus: TFA: "And they said, 'Do you own a knife?' I said, 'Yes, I'm a soldier and an Eagle Scout - I own a knife.'

I'm a surprised no one jumped on this for the 17-year old "soldier". I don't think watching Red Dawn every weekend makes you part of the military.

Well the article does say Whalen had completed 10 weeks of basic military training. That's longer than basic training for 4 of the 5 U.S. military branches.

/A whole lot of 'Whalen said' in this article.

Wrong. Basic for the Army is 10 weeks, Marines is 13, Navy and Air Force are 6 weeks I believe.

Additionally, it's been said already but a 17 year old can complete basic training between the Junior and Senior years, or if they graduate early or enter the military at age 17 after his or her parents sign a waiver. Trust me, I know. It often creates a problem when they move into MOS training after basic training because they are essentially still minors, and can get into trouble much easier for things like having sex wtaihsomeone older.

I never heard of anybody going to basic training and then getting to come home like their returning from summer camp. Unless if they were let go.

A lot has been said. I just haven't seen much proof for these go to Basic Training for the summer type programs.

Have any?


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2009-10-14 01:09:50 AM  
Theaetetus: Mimic_Octopus: Theaetetus: Knucklepopper: 'Scuse me, but you said every male child over the age of five should be carrying a lighter and a knife. Stick to that.

FTFY.
I'm still wondering why he simultaneously complains that women won't rush to defend him from a burglar, and yet refuses to give them knives.

where do you get complaint? and not expecting it is not the same as not giving it.

You objected when I asked why girls shouldn't carry them too.

you gay by any chance?

Sorry, no. You'll have to find your down-low glory hole lovin' elsewhere.


i didn't say they shouldn't. i said i don't expect it. really? you go camping or fishing or even a simple hike and all the women are carrying knives? yeah.
 
2009-10-14 01:09:57 AM  
Theaetetus: Unknown_Poltroon: Use Eagle scouts take that be prepared shiat seriously

You do have pronoun problems...


your late, its tired, shiat happened.
 
2009-10-14 01:10:02 AM  
Mimic_Octopus: did you have to go home and check in every day before dark? no wonder you don't get it. seriously, are you guys farking with me?

No, I went home every day and worked on the ranch. But who cares. You think every boy over the age of five should have a lighter and a knife to take to school. That's what interested me.
 
2009-10-14 01:11:02 AM  
Unknown_Poltroon: specially when you would have to drive through a major metropolitan area (that you have seen attacked once already in the past decade) to get home.

I'm sure next time, the airliner will turn away from the government buildings once they see you waving your little 3" pocket knife at them from the ground.
 
2009-10-14 01:11:08 AM  
Occam's Chainsaw: thisisarepeat: Occam's Chainsaw, oh come on, if you bother to grade it, it has to be at least a 1. They got 1 even if it's just a grader. If the grader gives it a negative score its practically the same as a bite.

It winds up in the negatives due to the blatant nature and clear over-effort. It actually achieves the opposite effect of a well-crafted troll by calling clear attention to the fact that the troll is, in fact, trolling. Were the OP shooting for meta, then I would give it a fair to middling grade, but this was clearly just a piss-poor attempt. If negative's not an option, 0 would be the only earned grade, God have mercy on his soul, etc.


Agreed. -1 it is.
 
2009-10-14 01:11:38 AM  
Knucklepopper: davidphogan: If the district had a story in the past 5 days they could have contacted the media. I really doubt they have a coherent response, but keep being condescending and all.

Actually, they do have a response, and a rational one. But again, don't let basic critical thinking get in your way. Drink up, you're almost done and there's more!

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=852474


The problem is there is no critical thinking. Zero tolerance policies prevent that. It alleviates any administrators from having to use any judgment at all.
 
2009-10-14 01:11:44 AM  
Fano: Mimic_Octopus: Fano: Abstruse: Mimic_Octopus: at least two people a day at work (software engineer) and another after (pool halls) ask me for a blade or fire. NYC/MIA/PDX.

Dude, do you work in Hell's Kitchen pre-Giuliani or something? WTF does a software engineer need with a knife?

You certainly could never use a small knife as a letter opener, for cutting packaging materials, or a dozen uses I don't feel like thinking of right now.

i do all the time... why are you not able to open a paper envelope with a pocket knife? are you handicapped?

?zuh? I was mocking the idea that a pocket knife doesn't have lots of daily uses for people in any field.


good god, sorry man. got caught up with anti-knife trolls...
 
2009-10-14 01:11:47 AM  
Alx_xlA: Am I the only one who was wondering why he would need a survival kit in his car? Where is he driving if he thinks he might need a sleeping bag and knife? At school, in New York, no less.

Adirondack Mountains, for example?

Knucklepopper: Actually, they do have a response, and a rational one. But again, don't let basic critical thinking get in your way. Drink up, you're almost done and there's more!

Did you read that article? Really? Here's a quote:

District Superintendent George J. Goodwin said Tuesday that he thinks the punishment was "appropriate and fair." He said the district has to equally enforce its zero-tolerance policy, even for students like Whalen who don't have any past record of misbehavior.

"Sometimes young people do things they may not see as serious," Goodwin said. "We look at any possession of any type of knife as serious."


As I pointed out, the 5 day suspension seems a little excessive, but I have no problem with it. Nor does the student. The problem I have is with a four week suspension for something he admitted was a mistake and that he's learned a lesson from.

Do schools not understand that having someone learn might be their purpose? Do they have some compelling reason he should miss nearly a month of school, other than they're mindlessly enforcing a zero-tolerance rule?

Maybe I'm biased as someone in my upper-20's who was given a hunting bow & arrow, and told I had to learn to shoot to pass gym class in the late 90's. I still think the district's story it bullshiat, and needs a lot of polishing so it doesn't look like a turd. A student's background should be considered in a case where a student is a certified Eagle Scout, lifesaver, and has passed basic training; especially if he's secured the so-called weapon in a locked part of his personal car parked outside.
 
2009-10-14 01:11:52 AM  
MentalMoment: A lot has been said. I just haven't seen much proof for these go to Basic Training for the summer type programs.

Have any?


Actual I should of recalled one: Hometown Recruiting Program. I actually did it. (Got 2 weeks and free airfare).

But Air Force didn't let me go in any way until I finished my 4.
 
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