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(Mirror.co.uk)   Students have to learn that you must suffer for your art. This girl gets an "A" in the class after she puts her hands in plaster of Paris and loses eight fingers   (mirror.co.uk) divider line 211
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2009-10-12 09:01:44 PM
Fingers surrender to plaster of Paris.
That's just wrong on so many levels.
 
2009-10-12 09:04:01 PM
All 8 fingers from one hand? That is impressive.
 
2009-10-12 09:05:35 PM
So she got eight fingers loose, but not her two thumbs?

Will make it difficult to hitchhike.
 
2009-10-12 09:08:26 PM
When plaster of Paris sets it heats from the inside, generating temperatures of up to 60 degrees. Her hands were being burnt as it set around her.

The real tragedy is that if they didn't use Celcius to measure temperature 60 degrees is no big deal, the poor girl would have been fine.
 
2009-10-12 09:25:51 PM
Mordant: The real tragedy is that if they didn't use Celcius to measure temperature 60 degrees is no big deal, the poor girl would have been fine.

This is why I only stick my fingers into plaster of London.
 
2009-10-12 09:48:31 PM
I had to be fitted for a full body brace when i was a kid. I've never looked at baked potatoes the same way since.

Yes, plaster gets hot as it sets. It's SETTING not drying.
 
2009-10-12 09:57:00 PM
So is Paris Hilton an alien and plaster is body fluids?
 
2009-10-12 10:11:06 PM
I hope they were able to tighten those back on again...
 
2009-10-12 10:12:37 PM
My first five or six casts were plaster, yep, could get right toasty in there and that was a relatively thin layer mixed with gauze with a padding layer between it and your skin.

I'm guessing that was a situation that went from oops to UH OH to everyone present will never forget the screaming kinda thing.

/can get right toasty when the fiberglass ones set up, too
 
2009-10-12 10:16:57 PM
Maybe one of her classmates could carve her some extra fingers out of wood.
 
2009-10-12 10:20:19 PM
Oh sure, add the 's' to hand to make it look like what I said look stupid.
 
2009-10-12 10:31:47 PM
So why didn't Jimi Hendrix lose his penis?
 
2009-10-12 10:33:19 PM
"Her next ambition is to learn to drive. She will need a lot of help.

Is a Farker writing articles for the Mirror now?
 
2009-10-12 10:39:58 PM
Very.quiet.clap
 
2009-10-12 10:40:02 PM
That is just awful. I cannot even think of a snarky comment.

Besides, you guys seem to be doing so well on your own.

/carry on
 
2009-10-12 10:42:15 PM
Too much art, not enough chemistry at her school. That's obvious.
 
2009-10-12 10:45:57 PM
At least they have a perfect cast of her fingers. They can make her some nice plastic ones.
 
2009-10-12 10:46:55 PM
Video of Mr Hill. (new window)
 
2009-10-12 10:46:58 PM
No UFIA?
 
2009-10-12 10:47:18 PM
Thats Hot.
 
2009-10-12 10:47:36 PM
she can still hitch hike, right?
 
2009-10-12 10:48:34 PM
DarthBrooks: Too much art, not enough chemistry at her school. That's obvious.

Yeah... every grumpy chemistry teacher in the world is clipping this article out of the paper to hang on their "why do I need to learn science if I'm going to be an artist" bulletin board.
 
2009-10-12 10:51:34 PM
raygundan: DarthBrooks: Too much art, not enough chemistry at her school. That's obvious.

Yeah... every grumpy chemistry teacher in the world is clipping this article out of the paper to hang on their "why do I need to learn science if I'm going to be an artist" bulletin board.


Yup. The art teacher should have known and stopped it. That said, how could they not find a sink, stick her hands and bucket into it with cold water running, and start in with hammer & chisels?
 
2009-10-12 10:51:48 PM
Mordant: When plaster of Paris sets it heats from the inside, generating temperatures of up to 60 degrees. Her hands were being burnt as it set around her.

The real tragedy is that if they didn't use Celcius to measure temperature 60 degrees is no big deal, the poor girl would have been fine.


What are you suggesting? Kelvin? At 60K, she still would have lost her fingers as they would probably shatter like glass.
 
2009-10-12 10:54:50 PM
raygundan: DarthBrooks: Too much art, not enough chemistry at her school. That's obvious.

Yeah... every grumpy chemistry teacher in the world is clipping this article out of the paper to hang on their "why do I need to learn science if I'm going to be an artist" bulletin board.


maybe not science, but "a basic understanding of the material I'm about to teach to the students" would be nice!

/teacher
//you NEVER do something like this in a classroom without doing a demo and preparing for the worst case scenario. if you don't, enjoy your sueage!
 
2009-10-12 10:55:05 PM
i271.photobucket.comwanted for questioning
 
2009-10-12 10:57:23 PM
Mrs. Chomsky: maybe not science, but "a basic understanding of the material I'm about to teach to the students" would be nice!

No kidding. "Today we'll be working with Plaster of Paris. It gets hot enough to burn your goddamn hands off when it sets, so don't fark around."
 
2009-10-12 10:58:37 PM
so this will be the end of plaster in art class ??

hahahaha
 
2009-10-12 10:59:02 PM
Didn't Lucy want to make a plaster of Paris mold of her face to ...I dunno, some scheme to trick Ricky I imagine.

/You hit her pretty hard there, Rick
 
2009-10-12 10:59:02 PM
Good Behavior Day: No UFIA?

UFIP?

/sorry, that should be UFsIP
 
2009-10-12 10:59:30 PM
Mrs. Chomsky: if you don't, enjoy your sueage!

I read that as "sausage" at first and am now wondering if plaster-of-paris-baked sausages would be edible.
 
2009-10-12 11:00:56 PM
djh0101010: raygundan: DarthBrooks: Too much art, not enough chemistry at her school. That's obvious.

Yeah... every grumpy chemistry teacher in the world is clipping this article out of the paper to hang on their "why do I need to learn science if I'm going to be an artist" bulletin board.

Yup. The art teacher should have known and stopped it. That said, how could they not find a sink, stick her hands and bucket into it with cold water running, and start in with hammer & chisels?


I'm guessing everyone panicked. Cooler hands should have prevailed.
 
2009-10-12 11:01:06 PM
About the only thing I could think to rectify that would be to grab a CO2 fire extinguisher and keep her hand doused with it until they can chip it off.

That or maybe a bucket of ice water. Don't know the thermal conductivity of plaster, if its low it probably would've done nothing.
 
2009-10-12 11:01:29 PM
Airfoilsguy: "Her next ambition is to learn to drive. She will need a lot of help.

Is a Farker writing articles for the Mirror now?


Nah, a Farker would have written "She will need a hand"
 
2009-10-12 11:02:27 PM
Old News is New News. (pops)

This happened in 2007. It's even a part of a wikipedia entry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaster

/citation needed
 
2009-10-12 11:02:47 PM
Now every kid can loose their fingers just like an artist!

webpages.charter.net

... in 20 to 30 minutes.
 
2009-10-12 11:02:57 PM
Well, you've gotta hand it to her...
 
2009-10-12 11:03:04 PM
farkwell: she can still hitch hike, right?

From either side of the road!
 
2009-10-12 11:03:07 PM
Not the first time it's happened: Link (new window)
 
2009-10-12 11:03:18 PM
The article calls her a "youngster" and a "girl" a few times. She's 19. That's an adult.

/sad for her
//teacher should be fired
 
2009-10-12 11:03:36 PM
djh0101010: Yup. The art teacher should have known and stopped it. That said, how could they not find a sink, stick her hands and bucket into it with cold water running, and start in with hammer & chisels?

I bet they were all too busy being hysterical.
 
2009-10-12 11:04:07 PM
tttttttttttttthatsasanott funnntny the saammme thinkl; happened to me
 
2009-10-12 11:04:34 PM
bv2112: Not the first time it's happened

Rather, this happened almost three years ago. I fail at reading comprehension.
 
2009-10-12 11:05:37 PM
60○ Celsius is 140○ Fahrenheit, and according to wiki-Answers human skin burns at about 130○ Fahrenheit, so bummer for her. How freaking long did she have that crap on her hands?
 
2009-10-12 11:05:58 PM
ayretise: tttttttttttttthatsasanott funnntny the saammme thinkl; happened to me

I love you.
 
2009-10-12 11:06:39 PM
The way the article is written, you'd think she was 8 years old - she's freaking 19!

Seriously, "youngster"?
 
2009-10-12 11:10:13 PM
Wow, 46 comments into the thread and Im the first person to post this? You are farkers are either sad, slow or too young to appreciate the headline.

Dont worry Subby, I laughed quite heartily.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

www.checkminus.com

/hot
 
2009-10-12 11:10:24 PM
cowgirl toffee: Now every kid can loose their fingers just like an artist!

Loose is the word. So loose, they'll fall off.
 
2009-10-12 11:10:28 PM
Repeat from 2007.

Amputation after art class burns (new window)
 
2009-10-12 11:10:31 PM
oldebayer: Mordant: The real tragedy is that if they didn't use Celcius to measure temperature 60 degrees is no big deal, the poor girl would have been fine.

This is why I only stick my fingers into plaster of London.


Hil-arious. Thank you.
 
2009-10-12 11:11:11 PM
I know it's been noted - but 60 degrees C is a very lame temperature to be burned at.
 
2009-10-12 11:11:42 PM
nickerj1: farkwell: she can still hitch hike, right?

From either side of the road!


Not without thumbs, bub.
 
2009-10-12 11:12:19 PM
radarr: Old News is New News. (pops)

This happened in 2007. It's even a part of a wikipedia entry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaster

/citation needed


FTFA: The 19-year-old's terrifying ordeal began when the liquid quickly set around her skin, creating temperatures of up to 60C.

FT2007A: The 16-year-old girl is said to have suffered third degree burns as the plaster set.

so unless she aged 3 years in 2, and did it a second time, Oh wait that would still make it NEW

Side Note: Exact same school

AND FT2007A: It said there had been a similar incident a few years ago, in which a pupil had lost two fingers.

How many students have to loose fingers at this school??
 
2009-10-12 11:12:28 PM
I don't care how old she was, holy shiat!
....That's what you get for being an art fag.
 
2009-10-12 11:13:52 PM
60 C may not be boiling hot, but being burnt has a lot to do with how fast heat is transferred, not simply how high the temperature is. Being in contact with a good heat conductor for extended periods of time could result in really bad burns.
 
2009-10-12 11:13:58 PM
Geez, I just thought of those kits where you can make a mold of your unit. And, how I'll never buy one now.
 
2009-10-12 11:14:29 PM
glwtta: The way the article is written, you'd think she was 8 years old - she's freaking 19!

Seriously, "youngster"?


That was so weird; It's not like they needed to exaggerate her youth in order for readers to sympathize.

1.bp.blogspot.com

I mean, come on!
 
2009-10-12 11:15:57 PM
Abstract art, nice
 
2009-10-12 11:15:58 PM
God DAMN that would suck...
 
2009-10-12 11:16:17 PM
djh0101010: raygundan: DarthBrooks: Too much art, not enough chemistry at her school. That's obvious.

Yeah... every grumpy chemistry teacher in the world is clipping this article out of the paper to hang on their "why do I need to learn science if I'm going to be an artist" bulletin board.

Yup. The art teacher should have known and stopped it. That said, how could they not find a sink, stick her hands and bucket into it with cold water running, and start in with hammer & chisels?


Exothermic reaction is exothermic. The plaster itself was generating the heat as a byproduct of the chemical reaction, and the heat won't stop until the reaction is complete. Pouring water on it would only cool the top inch or so of material, and from TFA (and the borderline NSFW pic accompanying), it looks like she plunged her whole hands into the stuff. Water wouldn't have helped at all.
 
2009-10-12 11:17:42 PM
madparrot: djh0101010: raygundan: DarthBrooks: Too much art, not enough chemistry at her school. That's obvious.

Yeah... every grumpy chemistry teacher in the world is clipping this article out of the paper to hang on their "why do I need to learn science if I'm going to be an artist" bulletin board.

Yup. The art teacher should have known and stopped it. That said, how could they not find a sink, stick her hands and bucket into it with cold water running, and start in with hammer & chisels?

Exothermic reaction is exothermic. The plaster itself was generating the heat as a byproduct of the chemical reaction, and the heat won't stop until the reaction is complete. Pouring water on it would only cool the top inch or so of material, and from TFA (and the borderline NSFW pic accompanying), it looks like she plunged her whole hands into the stuff. Water wouldn't have helped at all.


BBBBBBBILL NYE THE SCIENCE GUY
 
2009-10-12 11:17:51 PM
Hot water for your sinks should be around 110-120oF. So after 5-10 minutes, yeah pretty serious burns can happen...
 
2009-10-12 11:18:10 PM
I guess she can only give hand finger jobs to Asians now.
 
2009-10-12 11:18:59 PM
Would I be a dick if I got her an iPod touch as a gift?
 
2009-10-12 11:19:35 PM
madparrot: djh0101010: raygundan: DarthBrooks: Too much art, not enough chemistry at her school. That's obvious.

Yeah... every grumpy chemistry teacher in the world is clipping this article out of the paper to hang on their "why do I need to learn science if I'm going to be an artist" bulletin board.

Yup. The art teacher should have known and stopped it. That said, how could they not find a sink, stick her hands and bucket into it with cold water running, and start in with hammer & chisels?

Exothermic reaction is exothermic. The plaster itself was generating the heat as a byproduct of the chemical reaction, and the heat won't stop until the reaction is complete. Pouring water on it would only cool the top inch or so of material, and from TFA (and the borderline NSFW pic accompanying), it looks like she plunged her whole hands into the stuff. Water wouldn't have helped at all.


An extra inch of comparably undamaged hand may not seem like much to you... but it would still be better than what she got. Your scientific point is correct, but you're still being kind of a jerk about it.
 
2009-10-12 11:20:07 PM
The Yattering: I'm guessing everyone panicked. Cooler hands should have prevailed.

FTFA: "Panic ensued."

Yep...
 
2009-10-12 11:22:46 PM
Rohasman: madparrot: djh0101010: raygundan: DarthBrooks: Too much art, not enough chemistry at her school. That's obvious.

Yeah... every grumpy chemistry teacher in the world is clipping this article out of the paper to hang on their "why do I need to learn science if I'm going to be an artist" bulletin board.

Yup. The art teacher should have known and stopped it. That said, how could they not find a sink, stick her hands and bucket into it with cold water running, and start in with hammer & chisels?

Exothermic reaction is exothermic. The plaster itself was generating the heat as a byproduct of the chemical reaction, and the heat won't stop until the reaction is complete. Pouring water on it would only cool the top inch or so of material, and from TFA (and the borderline NSFW pic accompanying), it looks like she plunged her whole hands into the stuff. Water wouldn't have helped at all.

An extra inch of comparably undamaged hand may not seem like much to you... but it would still be better than what she got. Your scientific point is correct, but you're still being kind of a jerk about it.


He was not being a jerk about it, he was correcting a materially false statement. The only reason I say something is because setting the record right is not "being a jerk", although people today are very quick to get butthurt for no reason other than damaged pride.
 
2009-10-12 11:23:10 PM
Yeah but was she hot?
I mean I know where hands were...

/low hanging fruit
 
2009-10-12 11:23:13 PM
The stupid, it burns... Oh wait, it's the plaster of Paris...
 
2009-10-12 11:25:44 PM
lenfromak: Geez, I just thought of those kits where you can make a mold of your unit. And, how I'll never buy one now.

Usually, those use some sort of alginate (similar to that used for dental impressions)...that dries quickly, and is cool at all times. The container supports the alginate, then you pour the plaster in the area where what you molded USED to be.
 
2009-10-12 11:26:55 PM
djh0101010: raygundan: DarthBrooks: Too much art, not enough chemistry at her school. That's obvious.

Yeah... every grumpy chemistry teacher in the world is clipping this article out of the paper to hang on their "why do I need to learn science if I'm going to be an artist" bulletin board.

Yup. The art teacher should have known and stopped it. That said, how could they not find a sink, stick her hands and bucket into it with cold water running, and start in with hammer & chisels?


Okay, so the article is light on details, but FTFA:

"The horror happened after the youngster "misunderstood" instructions from her art teacher. She was meant to put her hands in nearby wet clay to make moulds."

Either she wasn't paying attention, the teacher wasn't clear enough on which bucket to stick her hands in and which to stay away from, or the girl is an idiot anyway. Sure, maybe you could argue that it was dangerous to put some plaster of paris out there during this exercise, but I dunno, I pretty much have to put most of the blame on the girl from the little evidence the article provides.
 
2009-10-12 11:31:13 PM
The horror happened after the youngster "misunderstood" instructions from her art teacher.


When did 19 year-olds become "youngsters"? She's 19, fercrissake. She can vote and own property. She's an adult. Granted, she's an adult who's stupid enough to shove both her hands into a vat of plaster of Paris, but an adult nonetheless.

Thank God there were no 18 year-old toddlers in the room. That WOULD have been a tragedy.
 
2009-10-12 11:31:59 PM
Gameshot911: Rohasman: madparrot: djh0101010: raygundan: DarthBrooks: Too much art, not enough chemistry at her school. That's obvious.

Yeah... every grumpy chemistry teacher in the world is clipping this article out of the paper to hang on their "why do I need to learn science if I'm going to be an artist" bulletin board.

Yup. The art teacher should have known and stopped it. That said, how could they not find a sink, stick her hands and bucket into it with cold water running, and start in with hammer & chisels?

Exothermic reaction is exothermic. The plaster itself was generating the heat as a byproduct of the chemical reaction, and the heat won't stop until the reaction is complete. Pouring water on it would only cool the top inch or so of material, and from TFA (and the borderline NSFW pic accompanying), it looks like she plunged her whole hands into the stuff. Water wouldn't have helped at all.

An extra inch of comparably undamaged hand may not seem like much to you... but it would still be better than what she got. Your scientific point is correct, but you're still being kind of a jerk about it.

He was not being a jerk about it, he was correcting a materially false statement. The only reason I say something is because setting the record right is not "being a jerk", although people today are very quick to get butthurt for no reason other than damaged pride.


Yes, he did correct the materially false statement. But we're not just talking about a point of scientific misunderstanding. We're talking about a real person here. A person most gravely injured, and made greatly limited by that injury. The lack of care in tone and tenor, as well as the silence on the reason why we are conversing here causes his statement to fall upon the "jerk" side of things. I know, this is Fark, what did I expect? Given the circumstances, I expected (in a moment of weakness) for Anonymous to remember that (s)he, too, is human. Simply being right on a material point does not always justify acts or speech.
 
2009-10-12 11:33:43 PM
Rohasman: Yes, he did correct the materially false statement. But we're not just talking about a point of scientific misunderstanding. We're talking about a real person here. A person most gravely injured, and made greatly limited by that injury. The lack of care in tone and tenor, as well as the silence on the reason why we are conversing here causes his statement to fall upon the "jerk" side of things. I know, this is Fark, what did I expect? Given the circumstances, I expected (in a moment of weakness) for Anonymous to remember that (s)he, too, is human. Simply being right on a material point does not always justify acts or speech.

i251.photobucket.com
 
2009-10-12 11:34:31 PM
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2009-10-12 11:35:08 PM
Hubris Boy: The horror happened after the youngster "misunderstood" instructions from her art teacher.

When did 19 year-olds become "youngsters"? She's 19, fercrissake. She can vote and own property. She's an adult. Granted, she's an adult who's stupid enough to shove both her hands into a vat of plaster of Paris, but an adult nonetheless.

Thank God there were no 18 year-old toddlers in the room. That WOULD have been a tragedy.


She was 16 when it happened though.
 
2009-10-12 11:37:45 PM
PsychoLaurie: Good Behavior Day: No UFIA?

UFIP?

/sorry, that should be UFsIP


You know. I just thought of the correct word "Oh, they mean plaster... not..."

/scooping mind out of gutter
 
2009-10-12 11:38:12 PM
www.lionsgatepublicity.com

wanted for questioning
 
2009-10-12 11:41:34 PM
fatkidinabeenie: radarr: Old News is New News. (pops)

This happened in 2007. It's even a part of a wikipedia entry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaster

/citation needed

FTFA: The 19-year-old's terrifying ordeal began when the liquid quickly set around her skin, creating temperatures of up to 60C.

FT2007A: The 16-year-old girl is said to have suffered third degree burns as the plaster set.

so unless she aged 3 years in 2, and did it a second time, Oh wait that would still make it NEW

Side Note: Exact same school

AND FT2007A: It said there had been a similar incident a few years ago, in which a pupil had lost two fingers.

How many students have to loose fingers at this school??


One can go from age 16 to 19 in two calender years if it is after his birthday in 2009 and before in 2006.

Math is fun!
 
2009-10-12 11:44:18 PM
Hubris Boy: Granted, she's an adult who's stupid enough to shove both her hands into a vat of plaster of Paris, but an adult nonetheless.

I'll admit I wouldn't have known not to do that.
 
2009-10-12 11:44:21 PM
chetbango: fatkidinabeenie: radarr: Old News is New News. (pops)

This happened in 2007. It's even a part of a wikipedia entry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaster

/citation needed

FTFA: The 19-year-old's terrifying ordeal began when the liquid quickly set around her skin, creating temperatures of up to 60C.

FT2007A: The 16-year-old girl is said to have suffered third degree burns as the plaster set.

so unless she aged 3 years in 2, and did it a second time, Oh wait that would still make it NEW

Side Note: Exact same school

AND FT2007A: It said there had been a similar incident a few years ago, in which a pupil had lost two fingers.

How many students have to loose fingers at this school??

One can go from age 16 to 19 in two calender years if it is after his birthday in 2009 and before in 2006.

Math is fun!


oops, I mean 2007, not 2006, but you get the point.
 
2009-10-12 11:47:43 PM
FTFA: Mr Hill revealed the youngster, who cannot be named, plans to sue education chiefs for £100,000.

Heh. They're lucky it happened to a FEMALE art student.

Had it been a guy, he would have sued for the loss of his fingers AND his only two girlfriends.
 
2009-10-12 11:50:55 PM
Bummer. For the rest of her life, she'll only be able to count to two.
 
2009-10-12 11:51:36 PM
60 celsius is 160'F.. while that is certainly very hot but I just don't see how it's hot enough to literally burn off her fingers.... the article also didn't mention how long her fingers were in the contraption...
 
2009-10-12 11:54:39 PM
The Yattering: I'm guessing everyone panicked. Cooler hands should have prevailed.

wildwoodflwr.files.wordpress.com

agrees
 
2009-10-12 11:54:49 PM
Holy cow you learn something new every day.
 
2009-10-12 11:55:17 PM
Bessame: l

Usually, those use some sort of alginate (similar to that used for dental impressions)...


THIS

Seriously people, if you're going to mold anything on a live body and don't want 3rd degree burns, use Alginate. Nice and cool, and sets up in a few 5-10 minutes. It's a disposable mold (can't store it since it's algae based, starts to, uh, mold)but it'll stay good long enough to get a couple of plaster parts (heh) out of.

/using ultracal at work now
//stuff gets super hot AND sets up under water
 
2009-10-12 11:55:27 PM
Man On Pink Corner: Hubris Boy: Granted, she's an adult who's stupid enough to shove both her hands into a vat of plaster of Paris, but an adult nonetheless.

I'll admit I wouldn't have known not to do that.


I wouldn't have known about it either, but I generally stay away from things that burn me.

I wonder how hot it felt. (Frog-in-a-saucepan effect?)
 
Oak
2009-10-12 11:57:44 PM
SuperNinjaToad: 60 celsius is 160'F.. while that is certainly very hot but I just don't see how it's hot enough to literally burn off her fingers.... the article also didn't mention how long her fingers were in the contraption...

It didn't "literally burn off her fingers;" it "literally cooked her fingers," which forced their amputation.
 
2009-10-12 11:58:47 PM
chetbango: chetbango: fatkidinabeenie: radarr: Old News is New News. (pops)

This happened in 2007. It's even a part of a wikipedia entry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaster

/citation needed

FTFA: The 19-year-old's terrifying ordeal began when the liquid quickly set around her skin, creating temperatures of up to 60C.

FT2007A: The 16-year-old girl is said to have suffered third degree burns as the plaster set.

so unless she aged 3 years in 2, and did it a second time, Oh wait that would still make it NEW

Side Note: Exact same school

AND FT2007A: It said there had been a similar incident a few years ago, in which a pupil had lost two fingers.

How many students have to loose fingers at this school??

One can go from age 16 to 19 in two calender years if it is after his birthday in 2009 and before in 2006.

Math is fun!

oops, I mean 2007, not 2006, but you get the point.


I have to call you on this. You were snarky, then made a simple mistake. Thatt cancels out. BOW IN SHAME!
 
2009-10-12 11:59:38 PM
If "BTech in Art" means a college level course, then the student should have some concept of materials. It seems like the teacher didn't draw enough attention to the very real danger of plunging ones hand into unset plaster of paris, but... c'mon. The student should have at least known the basic concept of creating a mold and filling it with the plaster and not vis versa.
 
Owm
2009-10-13 12:00:34 AM
Note to self: Don't do that.

www.qwantz.com
 
2009-10-13 12:00:39 AM
photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net

i can helpz you. I holdz your drink.

//sorry to hear about stuff like that. some people dont deserve it.
 
2009-10-13 12:02:19 AM
Pseudacris: I know it's been noted - but 60 degrees C is a very lame temperature to be burned at.

Heat you oven up to 140F and grab one of the elements if you want to see what 140F feels like....or turn your hot water heater up to 140F and take a shower.
 
2009-10-13 12:02:55 AM
Silvara: Oh sure, add the 's' to hand to make it look like what I said look stupid.

Didn't need any external help with that sentence ;)

/Constant victim of my own over-editing
 
2009-10-13 12:03:12 AM
good thing she didn't hike up her dress try for a sitzmark.

try that with bondo...once when i was jstakittn, i mixed up a whole gallon with a drill mixer...it got thicker & thicker...
when it froze up, i threw it outside, thinking it might catch fire, it was way over 212*
the mixing rod was amputated...
 
2009-10-13 12:03:45 AM
artists are nuts anyways. thinners, dryers, powders, poor ventilation, poor cleanup and storage. it's amazing any of them live past 40.
 
2009-10-13 12:05:10 AM
That was a remedial art class mistake. The days leading up to working with plaster in high school were 'don't be a dumbfark and make a mold of your hand because it will burn and they need to saw the block away because it shrinks slightly while it sets.'
 
2009-10-13 12:05:59 AM
TheShavingofOccam123: artists are nuts anyways. thinners, dryers, powders, poor ventilation, poor cleanup and storage. it's amazing any of them live past 40.

That's why all the good ones get crazier as time goes on. We should really study artists and bioaccumulation.
 
2009-10-13 12:06:36 AM
www.bookroomreviews.com

//wanted for questioning
 
2009-10-13 12:11:41 AM
In other news,
Sitzmarks work well when the subject is massive enough to handle the heat load.

"It looks like a giant vagina," Wingfield said with a bewildered look on his face. "I'm just totally amazed."

The 5-foot-plus sculpture looks like a surfboard with an oval cutout in the center, replaced with a piece of clouded glass. It's made of hard plaster and stands on a square base.

Wingfield estimates it weighs close to 100 pounds."


see? just make sure the body part weighs at least 100 pounds..
 
2009-10-13 12:11:50 AM
There is good news for the school: she can now only point out two parties for blame and legal action.

/unless she gets to point more than once.
 
2009-10-13 12:15:54 AM
Haha
I love some of the comments.

That is sad. Very sad.
I hope people learn from this, don't stick your appendages where they may get burned.

This includes Paris Hilton
 
2009-10-13 12:16:53 AM
SuperNinjaToad: 60 celsius is 160'F.. while that is certainly very hot but I just don't see how it's hot enough to literally burn off her fingers.... the article also didn't mention how long her fingers were in the contraption...

The hot water in your house is right around there. Why not leave it running on your hand for 10 minutes and see how that goes?
 
2009-10-13 12:18:55 AM
silent tom: wanted for questioning

I'm sure more than eight fingers can fit in her plaster.
 
2009-10-13 12:23:15 AM
GoSurfing: So why didn't Jimi Hendrix lose his penis?

Plaster Casting 101
1: pack clay around hardcack
2: wait
3: remove cack
4: pour in the plaster
5: mail to ex-wife
6: post bail
 
2009-10-13 12:23:36 AM
www.accu-cast.us

Yer doin' it right.

Casting compound (new window)
 
2009-10-13 12:27:00 AM
ProdigalSigh: 60○ Celsius is 140○ Fahrenheit, and according to wiki-Answers human skin burns at about 130○ Fahrenheit, so bummer for her.

My bathwater is hotter than that.
 
2009-10-13 12:29:53 AM
tortilla burger: 60 C may not be boiling hot, but being burnt has a lot to do with how fast heat is transferred, not simply how high the temperature is. Being in contact with a good heat conductor for extended periods of time could result in really bad burns.

This.

You can stick your hand into a 400*F oven just fine because air is a poor conductor, but touch the rack and you'll be burned.
 
2009-10-13 12:33:23 AM
www.bbc.co.uk
My other hand isn't strong enough! Take my little hand!
 
2009-10-13 12:38:17 AM
Prosecutor Jo Anderson told Boston magistrates a HSE probe later discovered no goggles or gloves were available.
...
She was meant to put her hands in nearby wet clay to make moulds.

Gloves, while molding clay in art class? Worse, making a mold of your gloved hands, instead of making a mold of your hands? Kudos to teacher and student alike for breaking the rules.
 
2009-10-13 12:40:36 AM
fredklein: ProdigalSigh: 60○ Celsius is 140○ Fahrenheit, and according to wiki-Answers human skin burns at about 130○ Fahrenheit, so bummer for her.

My bathwater is hotter than that.


No, it isn't ... try measuring it with a thermometer. Seriously. You'll be surprised.
 
2009-10-13 12:40:59 AM
FTFA: Her next ambition is to learn to drive.

Waiting patiently:
newsimg.bbc.co.uk
/hot
 
2009-10-13 12:42:12 AM
FlukeBoy: Plaster Casting 101
1: pack clay around hardcack
2: wait
3: remove cack
4: pour in the plaster
5: mail to ex-wife
6: post bail


She'll never be able to play around with hardcack now
 
2009-10-13 12:43:24 AM
That's 140 degrees Fahrenheit, right?
 
2009-10-13 12:46:19 AM
Last One Left: FlukeBoy: Plaster Casting 101
1: pack clay around hardcack
2: wait
3: remove cack
4: pour in the plaster
5: mail to ex-wife
6: post bail

She'll never be able to play around with hardcack now


She can give hand jobs to foot fetishists.

/deserves double frequent-flyer miles for this ticket
 
2009-10-13 12:46:23 AM
Rohasman: Gameshot911: Rohasman: madparrot: djh0101010: raygundan: DarthBrooks: Too much art, not enough chemistry at her school. That's obvious.

Yeah... every grumpy chemistry teacher in the world is clipping this article out of the paper to hang on their "why do I need to learn science if I'm going to be an artist" bulletin board.

Yup. The art teacher should have known and stopped it. That said, how could they not find a sink, stick her hands and bucket into it with cold water running, and start in with hammer & chisels?

Exothermic reaction is exothermic. The plaster itself was generating the heat as a byproduct of the chemical reaction, and the heat won't stop until the reaction is complete. Pouring water on it would only cool the top inch or so of material, and from TFA (and the borderline NSFW pic accompanying), it looks like she plunged her whole hands into the stuff. Water wouldn't have helped at all.

An extra inch of comparably undamaged hand may not seem like much to you... but it would still be better than what she got. Your scientific point is correct, but you're still being kind of a jerk about it.

He was not being a jerk about it, he was correcting a materially false statement. The only reason I say something is because setting the record right is not "being a jerk", although people today are very quick to get butthurt for no reason other than damaged pride.

Yes, he did correct the materially false statement. But we're not just talking about a point of scientific misunderstanding. We're talking about a real person here. A person most gravely injured, and made greatly limited by that injury. The lack of care in tone and tenor, as well as the silence on the reason why we are conversing here causes his statement to fall upon the "jerk" side of things. I know, this is Fark, what did I expect? Given the circumstances, I expected (in a moment of weakness) for Anonymous to remember that (s)he, too, is human. Simply being right on a material point does not always justify acts or speech.


Actually, I think we are talking about a failure of reading comprehension here. His comment that "Pouring water on it would only cool the top inch or so of material... means that the cooling effect of the water would have only worked on the top 1 inch or so layer of the plaster - not her skin.

Perhaps a bit of bad phrasing but I think "jerkiness" was not the intent.
 
2009-10-13 12:46:26 AM
Lars The Canadian Viking: SuperNinjaToad: 60 celsius is 160'F.. while that is certainly very hot but I just don't see how it's hot enough to literally burn off her fingers.... the article also didn't mention how long her fingers were in the contraption...

The hot water in your house is right around there. Why not leave it running on your hand for 10 minutes and see how that goes?


You keep the hot water in your house set around 160?! Holy wastefulness, batman! Anything beyond 130 or so is just unnecessarily increasing your energy bills.
 
2009-10-13 12:47:20 AM
Put your hand into the Gom Jabbar!
 
2009-10-13 12:52:29 AM
i486.photobucket.com
I heard the same exact thing happened to this guy.
 
2009-10-13 12:52:48 AM
SuperNinjaToad: 60 celsius is 160'F.. while that is certainly very hot but I just don't see how it's hot enough to literally burn off her fingers.... the article also didn't mention how long her fingers were in the contraption...

skin reaction "burns" comes to mind, but mind you her fingers were being "slow cooked" for a while. Like a plaster of paris crockpot. For fingers.
 
2009-10-13 12:55:59 AM
MagusMcCormick: Who is that ?
 
2009-10-13 01:01:17 AM
crumplezone: Put your hand into the Gom Jabbar!

I always wondered about that bloomin' little box. Spice... what a whacky drug. Wouldn't mind that blue-eyed goodness though.
 
2009-10-13 01:02:03 AM
WOBB: Rohasman: Gameshot911: Rohasman: madparrot: djh0101010: raygundan: DarthBrooks: Too much art, not enough chemistry at her school. That's obvious.

Yeah... every grumpy chemistry teacher in the world is clipping this article out of the paper to hang on their "why do I need to learn science if I'm going to be an artist" bulletin board.

Yup. The art teacher should have known and stopped it. That said, how could they not find a sink, stick her hands and bucket into it with cold water running, and start in with hammer & chisels?

Exothermic reaction is exothermic. The plaster itself was generating the heat as a byproduct of the chemical reaction, and the heat won't stop until the reaction is complete. Pouring water on it would only cool the top inch or so of material, and from TFA (and the borderline NSFW pic accompanying), it looks like she plunged her whole hands into the stuff. Water wouldn't have helped at all.

An extra inch of comparably undamaged hand may not seem like much to you... but it would still be better than what she got. Your scientific point is correct, but you're still being kind of a jerk about it.

He was not being a jerk about it, he was correcting a materially false statement. The only reason I say something is because setting the record right is not "being a jerk", although people today are very quick to get butthurt for no reason other than damaged pride.

Yes, he did correct the materially false statement. But we're not just talking about a point of scientific misunderstanding. We're talking about a real person here. A person most gravely injured, and made greatly limited by that injury. The lack of care in tone and tenor, as well as the silence on the reason why we are conversing here causes his statement to fall upon the "jerk" side of things. I know, this is Fark, what did I expect? Given the circumstances, I expected (in a moment of weakness) for Anonymous to remember that (s)he, too, is human. Simply being right on a material point does not always justify acts or speech.

Actually, I think we are talking about a failure of reading comprehension here. His comment that "Pouring water on it would only cool the top inch or so of material... means that the cooling effect of the water would have only worked on the top 1 inch or so layer of the plaster - not her skin.

Perhaps a bit of bad phrasing but I think "jerkiness" was not the intent.


Sir, you are correct.
 
2009-10-13 01:03:21 AM
i call shenanigans..
 
2009-10-13 01:04:07 AM
MrPerfectSU: Lars The Canadian Viking: SuperNinjaToad: 60 celsius is 160'F.. while that is certainly very hot but I just don't see how it's hot enough to literally burn off her fingers.... the article also didn't mention how long her fingers were in the contraption...

The hot water in your house is right around there. Why not leave it running on your hand for 10 minutes and see how that goes?

You keep the hot water in your house set around 160?! Holy wastefulness, batman! Anything beyond 130 or so is just unnecessarily increasing your energy bills.


MY DISHES MUST BURN IN HELL.
 
2009-10-13 01:27:05 AM
MrPerfectSU: You keep the hot water in your house set around 160?! Holy wastefulness, batman! Anything beyond 130 or so is just unnecessarily increasing your energy bills.

More importantly, 130 degrees is the point at which skin begins to burn... so if you go beyond 130, you risk serious damage if you accidentally turn on just the hot water...

(proteins in your skin actually begin to break down at around 110... so even going that hot for any length of time is not generally a good idea)
 
2009-10-13 01:30:35 AM
pstudent12: MagusMcCormick: Who is that ?

Paz Vega as Plaster of Paris in The spirit
 
2009-10-13 01:35:54 AM
Another reason I hate the French.
 
2009-10-13 01:50:16 AM
MagusMcCormick: wanted for questioning

and other things...
 
2009-10-13 01:50:51 AM
LITTL3_D3VIL: All this and no Sagmeister?

/ I find it impossible that I'm the only graphic design nerd here.


I don't get the connection (their website is cool tho)
 
2009-10-13 01:59:02 AM
I'm just not understanding how this could have happened. Virtually every child in America had their hands in plaster of Paris multiple times throughout their grade school years, at least back in the 60's. It's what you used to make paper mache` volcanos in 4th grade and maraccas out of incandescent light bulbs even younger. It was a staple of children's art classes and none of us ever got the slightest bit burned. It simply doesn't set up that fast. When it gets uncomfortably warm, you go stick your hands in running water until it starts to dissolve & wash away. She must have been wearing the stuff for like half an hour.
 
2009-10-13 02:10:42 AM
She's lucky she didn't lose everything below the elbow sticking her fingers into Paris like that, even when she's plastered she's still a firecrotch.

soundguy: I'm just not understanding how this could have happened. Virtually every child in America had their hands in plaster of Paris multiple times throughout their grade school years, at least back in the 60's. It's what you used to make paper mache` volcanos in 4th grade and maraccas out of incandescent light bulbs even younger. It was a staple of children's art classes and none of us ever got the slightest bit burned. It simply doesn't set up that fast. When it gets uncomfortably warm, you go stick your hands in running water until it starts to dissolve & wash away. She must have been wearing the stuff for like half an hour.

There's a difference between getting a thin layer on your hands and sticking your hands way down in a bucket of the stuff.
 
2009-10-13 02:13:05 AM
powhound: There is good news for the school: she can now only point out two parties for blame and legal action.

/unless she gets to point more than once.


She can point as many times as she wants...

/As long as it's Three Stooges-style
//nyuk nyuk nyuk
 
2009-10-13 02:33:34 AM
LITTL3_D3VIL: All this and no Sagmeister?



/ I find it impossible that I'm the only graphic design nerd here.


That was in Halvetica. You should watch Halvetica.
 
2009-10-13 02:54:01 AM
Shadowe: She's lucky she didn't lose everything below the elbow sticking her fingers into Paris like that, even when she's plastered she's still a firecrotch.

soundguy: I'm just not understanding how this could have happened. Virtually every child in America had their hands in plaster of Paris multiple times throughout their grade school years, at least back in the 60's. It's what you used to make paper mache` volcanos in 4th grade and maraccas out of incandescent light bulbs even younger. It was a staple of children's art classes and none of us ever got the slightest bit burned. It simply doesn't set up that fast. When it gets uncomfortably warm, you go stick your hands in running water until it starts to dissolve & wash away. She must have been wearing the stuff for like half an hour.

There's a difference between getting a thin layer on your hands and sticking your hands way down in a bucket of the stuff.


And what I'm thinking is, even if the burning didn't occur...how was she planning on getting a bucket's worth of solidified plaster off her hands? Any kind of method I could think of (i.e. chisels) would have risked destroying the mold. I feel horrible about what happened to this woman, but it really doesn't look like she was thinking things through at all.

/Damn that just sucks. D: I hope she finds some way to compensate.
 
2009-10-13 03:13:54 AM
Sphaux: That was in Halvetica. You should watch Halvetica.

Helvetica must die.
 
2009-10-13 03:15:48 AM
What else do you expect to happen when you put your fingers inside Paris Hilton?
 
2009-10-13 03:48:46 AM
reillan: (proteins in your skin actually begin to break down at around 110... so even going that hot for any length of time is not generally a good idea)

But it feels so GOOD!
 
2009-10-13 03:50:01 AM
At first I was horrified when I thought the article was talking about a poor 6, 7, or 8 year-old schoolgirl losing her fingers. Of course when I learned it was a 19 year-old art student I did concede that she probably should have known better by that age.
 
2009-10-13 03:55:23 AM
WaveRyder: She can point as many times as she wants...

/As long as it's Three Stooges-style
//nyuk nyuk nyuk


Farkied as "Stooge!"

Thanks for that

/prolly won't remember what the hell it was meant for
//beer on a Tuesday ftw
 
2009-10-13 04:10:39 AM
img444.imageshack.us
 
2009-10-13 04:50:16 AM
Just to keep the facts straight for everyone:

60C = 140F

Manufacturers and safety experts recommend that your water heater be set to 120F or lower, as higher temperatures can easily cause scalding. 120F doesn't seem that hot, but 120 degree water on the skin transfers heat so efficiently that it's dangerous.

My serious question, to anyone who knows a little more about plaster of paris: by the time the heat generated by the setting plaster reaches dangerous levels, has the plaster already hardened to the point where it would be difficult to deform?

/lots of people have lost fingers after getting plastered, but this one took it a little too far
 
2009-10-13 04:55:24 AM
Turns out sticking it in plaster is actually more dangerous than sticking it in that card-reader chick from the coffee shop. Who would have thought?
 
2009-10-13 06:23:53 AM
"I don't HAVE to listen to the teacher. I'm an ART student."
 
2009-10-13 06:32:30 AM
It could've been worse. At least her daddy didn't eat her eyes.
 
2009-10-13 06:33:55 AM
GoshAwful: Just to keep the facts straight for everyone:

60C = 140F

Manufacturers and safety experts recommend that your water heater be set to 120F or lower, as higher temperatures can easily cause scalding. 120F doesn't seem that hot, but 120 degree water on the skin transfers heat so efficiently that it's dangerous.

My serious question, to anyone who knows a little more about plaster of paris: by the time the heat generated by the setting plaster reaches dangerous levels, has the plaster already hardened to the point where it would be difficult to deform?

/lots of people have lost fingers after getting plastered, but this one took it a little too far


Yes..the plaster does not start to heat up until after it has solidified to the state that it is no longer possible to move in it without making it crack. But that is the early stages. When it is getting hot enough to cause damage...that is close to the end of the curing process, and it might as well be stone.

But as was mentioned earlier, placing her plaster in cold water can help slow down the curing enough to have time to chisel. This doesn't sound like it was set up to do that. I have been working with plaster (mold making) for over 15 years...near some stupid people...and I still have never heard of this kind of occurrence. Did she think she could will away her bones to remove her hands once it set? And then, once she managed that...what was she going to pour into the mold? More plaster? A solid bucket of plaster does not make a good gift for the folks.
 
2009-10-13 06:38:15 AM
Pseudacris: I know it's been noted - but 60 degrees C is a very lame temperature to be burned at.

So, what is a "leet" temperature to burned at?

I think your comment is what's lame.
 
2009-10-13 06:42:31 AM
Just wow!
 
2009-10-13 07:12:12 AM
chakalakasp: MrPerfectSU: Lars The Canadian Viking: SuperNinjaToad: 60 celsius is 160'F.. while that is certainly very hot but I just don't see how it's hot enough to literally burn off her fingers.... the article also didn't mention how long her fingers were in the contraption...

The hot water in your house is right around there. Why not leave it running on your hand for 10 minutes and see how that goes?

You keep the hot water in your house set around 160?! Holy wastefulness, batman! Anything beyond 130 or so is just unnecessarily increasing your energy bills.

MY DISHES MUST BURN IN HELL.


*snert*
 
2009-10-13 07:40:42 AM
Look, Mom - no hands!!

Wheeee!!!!!111
 
2009-10-13 07:45:21 AM
no water nearby? wtf?
 
2009-10-13 08:00:10 AM
I don't understand why they couldn't put the whole thing under a cold tap and simultaneously attack it with a hammer. Maybe nobody realised what was happening, but bag of broken bones>>>cooked
 
2009-10-13 08:04:13 AM
The girl in question is replying as we speak.
However, it's taking her a little longer than usual to type.
 
2009-10-13 08:13:10 AM
That's a special kind of stupid.
 
2009-10-13 08:14:36 AM
EchoMike:

Ohgoddammitalltohell. As if this case wasn't wince-worthy enough, you had to go and remind us of that nightmare fodder.



Bessame: Yes..the plaster does not start to heat up until after it has solidified to the state that it is no longer possible to move in it without making it crack. But that is the early stages. When it is getting hot enough to cause damage...that is close to the end of the curing process, and it might as well be stone.

But as was mentioned earlier, placing her plaster in cold water can help slow down the curing enough to have time to chisel. This doesn't sound like it was set up to do that. I have been working with plaster (mold making) for over 15 years...near some stupid people...and I still have never heard of this kind of occurrence. Did she think she could will away her bones to remove her hands once it set? And then, once she managed that...what was she going to pour into the mold? More plaster? A solid bucket of plaster does not make a good gift for the folks.




According to the article, "She was meant to put her hands in nearby wet clay to make moulds." So it sounds like she made two mistakes: One was that she confused plaster with clay, and the other was that she didn't half-immerse her hands (that is, lay them out flat and rest them on top, making a half-mould impression) and instead she fully plunged them in and waited-- either not thinking ahead, and/or trusting that the teacher would demonstrate some simple way of freeing one's hands.

IIRC, when I took a sculpture class in college, a few years ago, before we started using plaster, one of the first things the teacher most emphatically warned us was not to let any large mass of plaster set around one's hands or any other body part. If the teachers at her school didn't go over that clearly, they were negligent.
 
2009-10-13 08:17:59 AM
Cool story comin at ya bro

My friend makes costumes, he's very good at it, He is now much better at it, but we were 19, and pretty stoned when this occured. Anyway, I was the experimental model for the first face cast. We used plaster of paris, it got hot, but came off, oh, except for my eyebrows and lashes, they stayed in the mold. Ouch.
I was also the experimental model for the fisrt full head cast, he'd been doing it a while, and I thought he had it down. (about 21 at this point, now 44 btw) We did it in two peices, he neglected to pack anything behind my ears, so the plaster dried all the way around my ears. We managed to pull it off, but, once again, ouch. And by the way, that stuff would NOT break, we tried.
Here is his web site, it's not finished, but there are some of his costumes. All hand made, mostly comic stuff.
www.alienatedproductions.com/
 
2009-10-13 08:21:22 AM
www.thesharkguys.com

Pick Two!
 
2009-10-13 08:23:08 AM
60 degree Celsius = 140 degree Fahrenheit

Yeah that may burn, but how crappy are their doctors that it would require amputation?
 
2009-10-13 08:29:31 AM
kendricd: Yeah that may burn, but how crappy are their doctors that it would require amputation?

Put a chicken thigh in 60 degree water for an hour and get back to us on that.
 
2009-10-13 08:33:25 AM
here's my question, since we've talked out the temperature issue: what was her plan for getting her hands out?

It sounds like she immersed both hands, simultaneously, in a closed volume of plaster. After the plaster had hardened, did she think they were just going to crack it off her hands?

/Did plenty of plaster work in college, in yes, EVERY time the professor brought it up to a new artist, he'd remind EVERYONE about the temperature issues
 
2009-10-13 08:34:25 AM
kendricd: 60 degree Celsius = 140 degree Fahrenheit

Yeah that may burn, but how crappy are their doctors that it would require amputation?


Not only is wet plaster an excellent conductor of heat into your flesh (and it was in DIRECT contact), the plaster is actually generating the heat. That means the only place for it to go is into the flesh. Your blood simply cannot pump that much heat away, quickly.
 
2009-10-13 08:34:45 AM
FTFA Mr Hill revealed the youngster, who cannot be named, plans to sue education chiefs for £100,000.

Voldemort?

/Got Nuthin.
 
2009-10-13 08:34:53 AM
FarkinNortherner: I don't understand why they couldn't put the whole thing under a cold tap and simultaneously attack it with a hammer. Maybe nobody realised what was happening, but bag of broken bones>>>cooked

The article says the other students did try to crack it off with hammers. As others have noted, putting it under cold tap would of been relatively little help, and getting it off fast was important, so they wouldn't have been crazy to invest all their efforts in just trying to whack away at it with hammers. (Plus they may indeed have tried cooling her with some water as they pounded away-- the article doesn't say they didn't.)

Unfortunately, plaster can be really hard. Also, it's worth noting that additional water might cause it to harden even more.
 
2009-10-13 08:42:04 AM
Isildur: The article says the other students did try to crack it off with hammers.

Ah. R(ing)TFA. Always helpful.
 
2009-10-13 08:43:30 AM
that is so farking horrible
poor kid
 
2009-10-13 08:49:15 AM
mrEdude: that is so farking horrible
poor kid


are 19-year-olds kids?
 
2009-10-13 08:57:39 AM
kendricd: 60 degree Celsius = 140 degree Fahrenheit

Yeah that may burn, but how crappy are their doctors that it would require amputation?


www.accuratebuilding.com

/hot like burning flesh
//yes plaster probably conducts slightly different than water, but it's a good general reference
///TMYK
 
2009-10-13 09:32:02 AM
Rohasman: Yes, he did correct the materially false statement. But we're not just talking about a point of scientific misunderstanding. We're talking about a real person here. A person most gravely injured, and made greatly limited by that injury. The lack of care in tone and tenor, as well as the silence on the reason why we are conversing here causes his statement to fall upon the "jerk" side of things.

Oh farking christ.
Go have a beer and enhance your calm.
/internet: serious business
 
2009-10-13 09:34:47 AM
farm3.static.flickr.com
 
2009-10-13 09:50:21 AM
So nobody mentioned the Krukenberg procedure yet?
 
2009-10-13 09:51:34 AM
If my hands were burning, you can bet that bucket of plaster would become a sledge hammer as I beat it against anything to break it off. Did she literally just sit there? Better off to take a sledge hammer to it as well, sure, might bust something, but better than being Flipper your whole life.
 
2009-10-13 09:56:51 AM
mattharvest: mrEdude: that is so farking horrible
poor kid

are 19-year-olds kids?


She was a 16-year-old when it happened. Also, you've never heard a middle-aged person refer to people in their 20s as "kids"? It's all relative.

Anyway, kid or not, that really sucks. For her sake and others', I hope prosthetics improve a lot in the near future.
 
2009-10-13 10:00:07 AM
damn good thing I seen this article. I wanted to make a plaster of my peener.
 
2009-10-13 10:02:30 AM
Isildur: mattharvest: mrEdude: that is so farking horrible
poor kid

are 19-year-olds kids?

She was a 16-year-old when it happened. Also, you've never heard a middle-aged person refer to people in their 20s as "kids"? It's all relative.

Anyway, kid or not, that really sucks. For her sake and others', I hope prosthetics improve a lot in the near future.


Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I thought this 19 year old was distinct from the previous 16 year old.

As for "kids": I think it's appropriate to always refer to someone as his/her parents' "kid", but I think it's inappropriate to refer to 19 year olds as "kids" generally. It diminishes the accountability they should have. That's admittedly a personal opinion though.
 
2009-10-13 10:07:17 AM
DarthBrooks: Too much art, not enough chemistry at her school. That's obvious.

www.nostalgiaholic.com
You really don't want to mix art and chemistry.
 
2009-10-13 10:10:57 AM
Good Behavior Day: No UFIA?

Wouldn't that be UFIPoP?
 
2009-10-13 10:16:06 AM
Buckster: Bummer. For the rest of her life, she'll only be able to count to two.

That's assuming that she also plunged her feet into PoP and lost all 10 toes.....
 
2009-10-13 10:22:02 AM
farkwell: she can still hitch hike, right?

Only at night.
 
2009-10-13 10:33:24 AM
cowgirl toffee: Maybe one of her classmates could carve her some extra fingers out of wood.

Win.

Nothing but.

I love you for that.
 
2009-10-13 10:33:42 AM
bhcompy: The article calls her a "youngster" and a "girl" a few times. She's 19. That's an adult.

/sad for her
//teacher should be fired


You fail at news. Only males of the species become "men" when they turn 18. Women remain girls until they're no longer cute.
 
2009-10-13 10:49:26 AM
soundguy: Virtually every child in America had their hands in plaster of Paris multiple times throughout their grade school years, at least back in the 60's. It's what you used to make paper mache` volcanos in 4th grade and maraccas out of incandescent light bulbs even younger.

Maybe in the 60s. You early boomers' art teachers did some incredibly wacky things. But by the 70s, papier-mâché was made with less expensive materials, whether a paste of flour-and-water, or diluted Elmer's glue, or even liquid starch. Plus, when you're making something with papier-mâché, you're getting it on your hands, but only in fairly thin amounts. This "youngster" thrust her hands into a bucket of the stuff, and kept them there. More plaster = more heat and less opportunity to radiate it all into the surrounding air.
 
2009-10-13 10:53:44 AM
"I've Suffered For My Art...Now It's Your Turn"

img202.imageshack.us

/Hot as plaster of paris when it sets
 
2009-10-13 11:32:18 AM
WindBreaker: soundguy: Virtually every child in America had their hands in plaster of Paris multiple times throughout their grade school years, at least back in the 60's. It's what you used to make paper mache` volcanos in 4th grade and maraccas out of incandescent light bulbs even younger.

Maybe in the 60s. You early boomers' art teachers did some incredibly wacky things. But by the 70s, papier-mâché was made with less expensive materials, whether a paste of flour-and-water, or diluted Elmer's glue, or even liquid starch. Plus, when you're making something with papier-mâché, you're getting it on your hands, but only in fairly thin amounts. This "youngster" thrust her hands into a bucket of the stuff, and kept them there. More plaster = more heat and less opportunity to radiate it all into the surrounding air.


Moreover, the issue isn't having your hands in Plaster of Paris: it's immersing them in such a large volume that, once hardening begins, you cannot free them.

You should never, ever be immersed in any material that you cannot get out of in an emergency. This isn't even an art-issue...it's just logic.
 
2009-10-13 11:32:18 AM
www.lib.umich.edu

/Came in for this reference and left sadly disappointed
 
2009-10-13 11:41:56 AM
shes only suing for 100k? I would at least ask for ten times as much.
 
2009-10-13 11:49:52 AM
ReverendJasen: Rohasman: Yes, he did correct the materially false statement. But we're not just talking about a point of scientific misunderstanding. We're talking about a real person here. A person most gravely injured, and made greatly limited by that injury. The lack of care in tone and tenor, as well as the silence on the reason why we are conversing here causes his statement to fall upon the "jerk" side of things.

Oh farking christ.
Go have a beer and enhance your calm.
/internet: serious business


Be well, Rohasman.
 
2009-10-13 12:16:36 PM
Article fail = she is a 19-year-old adult, not a "youngster."
 
2009-10-13 12:34:56 PM
well, we all know what fingers she masturbates with now.

/just sayin'
 
2009-10-13 12:49:36 PM
Hands down, that has to be the worst teacher ever! Why didn't the teacher warn them first what type of material they'd be dealing with?
 
2009-10-13 12:56:48 PM
farklenny: shes only suing for 100k? I would at least ask for ten times as much.

She wanted to, but got sick of counting that high with only 2 fingers.

/windows seat, please
 
2009-10-13 12:56:49 PM
bhcompy: The article calls her a "youngster" and a "girl" a few times. She's 19. That's an adult.

tiiger: Repeat from 2007.

Amputation after art class burns (new window)


I'd be willing to be these articles are about the same girl, this one being a follow-up. The pictures in the current article are years of healing and reconstruction. If she was too young when it happened, they couldn't release the information.

Knowing how anal Health and Safety can be in Britain (think every stupid thing Risk Management has ever made you do or prevented you from doing, but on a government scale), I would be flabbergasted if it happened twice.
 
2009-10-13 01:19:13 PM
GaidinBDJ: I would be flabbergasted if it happened twice.

Gobsmacked, even.
 
2009-10-13 01:20:05 PM
Hermione_Granger: Hands down, that has to be the worst teacher ever! Why didn't the teacher warn them first what type of material they'd be dealing with?

The horror happened after the youngster "misunderstood" instructions from her art teacher. She was meant to put her hands in nearby wet clay to make moulds.


RTFA.
 
2009-10-13 01:26:48 PM
Hermione_Granger: Hands down, that has to be the worst teacher ever! Why didn't the teacher warn them first what type of material they'd be dealing with?

Again: how did the girl think she was going to get her hands out?

She apparently immersed her hands into so much plaster that, once it hardened, she couldn't get them out. Even if she didn't know about the fact that it's an exothermic reaction, what was her cunning plan?
 
2009-10-13 02:10:48 PM
Gimme two!
 
2009-10-13 02:31:10 PM
She could always talk with Belladonna about some sort of fisting video.... Just sayn
 
2009-10-13 02:44:27 PM
mamoru
Mordant:
The real tragedy is that if they didn't use Celcius to measure temperature 60 degrees is no big deal, the poor girl would have been fine.

What are you suggesting? Kelvin? At 60K, she still would have lost her fingers as they would probably shatter like glass.


No, he didn't mean Kelvin. He said degrees.
 
2009-10-13 03:16:26 PM
The class and teacher tried using hammers to get it off. There's no way she wasn't sitting there for like 5-10 minutes before realizing she was getting stuck, and uncomfortable.

This was a game that got out of hand. (ugh..)

I'm sure she was giggling and thought she was being pretty darn funny before getting a little uncomfortable and discovering that she was unable to get out of it. A glance around the room would have revealed that when the teacher said to stick their hands in the clay, they were referring to the clay.

Goggles/gloves are to be worn when using plaster of paris, per most standard safety regulations. No, they aren't going to cast gloved hands, you don't cast hand molds with plaster of paris (at least not directly from body parts).

What a shame that this was how she had to learn her lesson regarding respect. Sucks to be her, though I suppose she'll garner enough sympathy to allow the suing to occur, even though it was completely her fault in the first place.

Truth be told, I'd help her get that money, as long as it went into some kinda trust fund thing that's monitored to ensure she get's stuff she needs. I mean, it WAS an accident, even though it was one she could have prevented by not trying to be silly.

I think the loss of her fingers are enough of a punishment, but I'm not feeling good about actually rewarding her at cost to the school.
 
2009-10-13 04:27:37 PM
Dead-Guy: but I'm not feeling good about actually rewarding her at cost to the school.

It's a f*cking letter grade in grade school. It's not like it means anything anyways.
 
2009-10-13 05:33:46 PM
kendricd: 60 degree Celsius = 140 degree Fahrenheit

Yeah that may burn, but how crappy are their doctors that it would require amputation?


well, in a country with govt. run healthcare if the panel decides its cheaper just to amputate than to perform the surgeries necessary to save it guess what happens?
 
Liv
2009-10-13 05:54:05 PM
TsukasaK: Dead-Guy: but I'm not feeling good about actually rewarding her at cost to the school.

It's a f*cking letter grade in grade school. It's not like it means anything anyways.


Pretty sure he was referring to the money as the reward, not the letter grade. And she was 19 so it's high school, not grade school.
 
2009-10-13 06:39:00 PM
At 19, why are they doing hand casts in art class anyway? Did they run out of paper and crayons to do hand turkeys?
 
2009-10-13 06:55:11 PM
Oldiron_79: well, in a country with govt. run healthcare if the panel decides its cheaper just to amputate than to perform the surgeries necessary to save it guess what happens?

I hope you're being sarcastic.

If not, welcome to Fark, Mrs. Palin.
 
2009-10-13 07:23:26 PM
Oldiron_79: well, in a country with govt. run healthcare if the panel decides its cheaper just to amputate than to perform the surgeries necessary to save it guess what happens?

Yea. It's the same country that would have let Stephen Hawking die just because he had debilitating disease with a low chance of survive.
 
2009-10-13 07:39:16 PM
Mose: kendricd: 60 degree Celsius = 140 degree Fahrenheit

Yeah that may burn, but how crappy are their doctors that it would require amputation?



/hot like burning flesh
//yes plaster probably conducts slightly different than water, but it's a good general reference
///TMYK


Huh, I guess I've just never burned myself for long enough.
 
2009-10-13 10:26:10 PM
Once your flesh is basically cooked down to the bone, you're not going to save it.
 
2009-10-14 02:03:27 AM
Isildur:
Anyway, kid or not, that really sucks. For her sake and others', I hope prosthetics improve a lot in the near future.


I'm on it.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2009-10-14 10:34:49 AM
I bet she can pull off a kick-ass Martian shadow puppet.

/Going to hell now....
 
2009-10-14 03:35:21 PM
glwtta: The way the article is written, you'd think she was 8 years old - she's freaking 19!

Seriously, "youngster"?


Well, now she wants to learn to drive.

Oh, also, she is going into a program to work with kids.
Man, I'd really be depressed if I was a kid, and I found out my teacher was worse than second-hand.
 
2009-10-16 03:04:10 AM
I thought there were going to be a lot more plaster caster references.
 
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