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(Mirror.co.uk)   Students have to learn that you must suffer for your art. This girl gets an "A" in the class after she puts her hands in plaster of Paris and loses eight fingers   (mirror.co.uk) divider line 211
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2009-10-13 07:40:42 AM  
Look, Mom - no hands!!

Wheeee!!!!!111
 
2009-10-13 07:45:21 AM  
no water nearby? wtf?
 
2009-10-13 08:00:10 AM  
I don't understand why they couldn't put the whole thing under a cold tap and simultaneously attack it with a hammer. Maybe nobody realised what was happening, but bag of broken bones>>>cooked
 
2009-10-13 08:04:13 AM  
The girl in question is replying as we speak.
However, it's taking her a little longer than usual to type.
 
2009-10-13 08:13:10 AM  
That's a special kind of stupid.
 
2009-10-13 08:14:36 AM  
EchoMike:

Ohgoddammitalltohell. As if this case wasn't wince-worthy enough, you had to go and remind us of that nightmare fodder.



Bessame: Yes..the plaster does not start to heat up until after it has solidified to the state that it is no longer possible to move in it without making it crack. But that is the early stages. When it is getting hot enough to cause damage...that is close to the end of the curing process, and it might as well be stone.

But as was mentioned earlier, placing her plaster in cold water can help slow down the curing enough to have time to chisel. This doesn't sound like it was set up to do that. I have been working with plaster (mold making) for over 15 years...near some stupid people...and I still have never heard of this kind of occurrence. Did she think she could will away her bones to remove her hands once it set? And then, once she managed that...what was she going to pour into the mold? More plaster? A solid bucket of plaster does not make a good gift for the folks.




According to the article, "She was meant to put her hands in nearby wet clay to make moulds." So it sounds like she made two mistakes: One was that she confused plaster with clay, and the other was that she didn't half-immerse her hands (that is, lay them out flat and rest them on top, making a half-mould impression) and instead she fully plunged them in and waited-- either not thinking ahead, and/or trusting that the teacher would demonstrate some simple way of freeing one's hands.

IIRC, when I took a sculpture class in college, a few years ago, before we started using plaster, one of the first things the teacher most emphatically warned us was not to let any large mass of plaster set around one's hands or any other body part. If the teachers at her school didn't go over that clearly, they were negligent.
 
2009-10-13 08:17:59 AM  
Cool story comin at ya bro

My friend makes costumes, he's very good at it, He is now much better at it, but we were 19, and pretty stoned when this occured. Anyway, I was the experimental model for the first face cast. We used plaster of paris, it got hot, but came off, oh, except for my eyebrows and lashes, they stayed in the mold. Ouch.
I was also the experimental model for the fisrt full head cast, he'd been doing it a while, and I thought he had it down. (about 21 at this point, now 44 btw) We did it in two peices, he neglected to pack anything behind my ears, so the plaster dried all the way around my ears. We managed to pull it off, but, once again, ouch. And by the way, that stuff would NOT break, we tried.
Here is his web site, it's not finished, but there are some of his costumes. All hand made, mostly comic stuff.
www.alienatedproductions.com/
 
2009-10-13 08:21:22 AM  
www.thesharkguys.com

Pick Two!
 
2009-10-13 08:23:08 AM  
60 degree Celsius = 140 degree Fahrenheit

Yeah that may burn, but how crappy are their doctors that it would require amputation?
 
2009-10-13 08:29:31 AM  
kendricd: Yeah that may burn, but how crappy are their doctors that it would require amputation?

Put a chicken thigh in 60 degree water for an hour and get back to us on that.
 
2009-10-13 08:33:25 AM  
here's my question, since we've talked out the temperature issue: what was her plan for getting her hands out?

It sounds like she immersed both hands, simultaneously, in a closed volume of plaster. After the plaster had hardened, did she think they were just going to crack it off her hands?

/Did plenty of plaster work in college, in yes, EVERY time the professor brought it up to a new artist, he'd remind EVERYONE about the temperature issues
 
2009-10-13 08:34:25 AM  
kendricd: 60 degree Celsius = 140 degree Fahrenheit

Yeah that may burn, but how crappy are their doctors that it would require amputation?


Not only is wet plaster an excellent conductor of heat into your flesh (and it was in DIRECT contact), the plaster is actually generating the heat. That means the only place for it to go is into the flesh. Your blood simply cannot pump that much heat away, quickly.
 
2009-10-13 08:34:45 AM  
FTFA Mr Hill revealed the youngster, who cannot be named, plans to sue education chiefs for £100,000.

Voldemort?

/Got Nuthin.
 
2009-10-13 08:34:53 AM  
FarkinNortherner: I don't understand why they couldn't put the whole thing under a cold tap and simultaneously attack it with a hammer. Maybe nobody realised what was happening, but bag of broken bones>>>cooked

The article says the other students did try to crack it off with hammers. As others have noted, putting it under cold tap would of been relatively little help, and getting it off fast was important, so they wouldn't have been crazy to invest all their efforts in just trying to whack away at it with hammers. (Plus they may indeed have tried cooling her with some water as they pounded away-- the article doesn't say they didn't.)

Unfortunately, plaster can be really hard. Also, it's worth noting that additional water might cause it to harden even more.
 
2009-10-13 08:42:04 AM  
Isildur: The article says the other students did try to crack it off with hammers.

Ah. R(ing)TFA. Always helpful.
 
2009-10-13 08:43:30 AM  
that is so farking horrible
poor kid
 
2009-10-13 08:49:15 AM  
mrEdude: that is so farking horrible
poor kid


are 19-year-olds kids?
 
2009-10-13 08:57:39 AM  
kendricd: 60 degree Celsius = 140 degree Fahrenheit

Yeah that may burn, but how crappy are their doctors that it would require amputation?


www.accuratebuilding.com

/hot like burning flesh
//yes plaster probably conducts slightly different than water, but it's a good general reference
///TMYK
 
2009-10-13 09:32:02 AM  
Rohasman: Yes, he did correct the materially false statement. But we're not just talking about a point of scientific misunderstanding. We're talking about a real person here. A person most gravely injured, and made greatly limited by that injury. The lack of care in tone and tenor, as well as the silence on the reason why we are conversing here causes his statement to fall upon the "jerk" side of things.

Oh farking christ.
Go have a beer and enhance your calm.
/internet: serious business
 
2009-10-13 09:34:47 AM  
farm3.static.flickr.com
 
2009-10-13 09:50:21 AM  
So nobody mentioned the Krukenberg procedure yet?
 
2009-10-13 09:51:34 AM  
If my hands were burning, you can bet that bucket of plaster would become a sledge hammer as I beat it against anything to break it off. Did she literally just sit there? Better off to take a sledge hammer to it as well, sure, might bust something, but better than being Flipper your whole life.
 
2009-10-13 09:56:51 AM  
mattharvest: mrEdude: that is so farking horrible
poor kid

are 19-year-olds kids?


She was a 16-year-old when it happened. Also, you've never heard a middle-aged person refer to people in their 20s as "kids"? It's all relative.

Anyway, kid or not, that really sucks. For her sake and others', I hope prosthetics improve a lot in the near future.
 
2009-10-13 10:00:07 AM  
damn good thing I seen this article. I wanted to make a plaster of my peener.
 
2009-10-13 10:02:30 AM  
Isildur: mattharvest: mrEdude: that is so farking horrible
poor kid

are 19-year-olds kids?

She was a 16-year-old when it happened. Also, you've never heard a middle-aged person refer to people in their 20s as "kids"? It's all relative.

Anyway, kid or not, that really sucks. For her sake and others', I hope prosthetics improve a lot in the near future.


Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I thought this 19 year old was distinct from the previous 16 year old.

As for "kids": I think it's appropriate to always refer to someone as his/her parents' "kid", but I think it's inappropriate to refer to 19 year olds as "kids" generally. It diminishes the accountability they should have. That's admittedly a personal opinion though.
 
2009-10-13 10:07:17 AM  
DarthBrooks: Too much art, not enough chemistry at her school. That's obvious.

www.nostalgiaholic.com
You really don't want to mix art and chemistry.
 
2009-10-13 10:10:57 AM  
Good Behavior Day: No UFIA?

Wouldn't that be UFIPoP?
 
2009-10-13 10:16:06 AM  
Buckster: Bummer. For the rest of her life, she'll only be able to count to two.

That's assuming that she also plunged her feet into PoP and lost all 10 toes.....
 
2009-10-13 10:22:02 AM  
farkwell: she can still hitch hike, right?

Only at night.
 
2009-10-13 10:33:24 AM  
cowgirl toffee: Maybe one of her classmates could carve her some extra fingers out of wood.

Win.

Nothing but.

I love you for that.
 
2009-10-13 10:33:42 AM  
bhcompy: The article calls her a "youngster" and a "girl" a few times. She's 19. That's an adult.

/sad for her
//teacher should be fired


You fail at news. Only males of the species become "men" when they turn 18. Women remain girls until they're no longer cute.
 
2009-10-13 10:49:26 AM  
soundguy: Virtually every child in America had their hands in plaster of Paris multiple times throughout their grade school years, at least back in the 60's. It's what you used to make paper mache` volcanos in 4th grade and maraccas out of incandescent light bulbs even younger.

Maybe in the 60s. You early boomers' art teachers did some incredibly wacky things. But by the 70s, papier-mâché was made with less expensive materials, whether a paste of flour-and-water, or diluted Elmer's glue, or even liquid starch. Plus, when you're making something with papier-mâché, you're getting it on your hands, but only in fairly thin amounts. This "youngster" thrust her hands into a bucket of the stuff, and kept them there. More plaster = more heat and less opportunity to radiate it all into the surrounding air.
 
2009-10-13 10:53:44 AM  
"I've Suffered For My Art...Now It's Your Turn"

img202.imageshack.us

/Hot as plaster of paris when it sets
 
2009-10-13 11:32:18 AM  
WindBreaker: soundguy: Virtually every child in America had their hands in plaster of Paris multiple times throughout their grade school years, at least back in the 60's. It's what you used to make paper mache` volcanos in 4th grade and maraccas out of incandescent light bulbs even younger.

Maybe in the 60s. You early boomers' art teachers did some incredibly wacky things. But by the 70s, papier-mâché was made with less expensive materials, whether a paste of flour-and-water, or diluted Elmer's glue, or even liquid starch. Plus, when you're making something with papier-mâché, you're getting it on your hands, but only in fairly thin amounts. This "youngster" thrust her hands into a bucket of the stuff, and kept them there. More plaster = more heat and less opportunity to radiate it all into the surrounding air.


Moreover, the issue isn't having your hands in Plaster of Paris: it's immersing them in such a large volume that, once hardening begins, you cannot free them.

You should never, ever be immersed in any material that you cannot get out of in an emergency. This isn't even an art-issue...it's just logic.
 
2009-10-13 11:32:18 AM  
www.lib.umich.edu

/Came in for this reference and left sadly disappointed
 
2009-10-13 11:41:56 AM  
shes only suing for 100k? I would at least ask for ten times as much.
 
2009-10-13 11:49:52 AM  
ReverendJasen: Rohasman: Yes, he did correct the materially false statement. But we're not just talking about a point of scientific misunderstanding. We're talking about a real person here. A person most gravely injured, and made greatly limited by that injury. The lack of care in tone and tenor, as well as the silence on the reason why we are conversing here causes his statement to fall upon the "jerk" side of things.

Oh farking christ.
Go have a beer and enhance your calm.
/internet: serious business


Be well, Rohasman.
 
2009-10-13 12:16:36 PM  
Article fail = she is a 19-year-old adult, not a "youngster."
 
2009-10-13 12:34:56 PM  
well, we all know what fingers she masturbates with now.

/just sayin'
 
2009-10-13 12:49:36 PM  
Hands down, that has to be the worst teacher ever! Why didn't the teacher warn them first what type of material they'd be dealing with?
 
2009-10-13 12:56:48 PM  
farklenny: shes only suing for 100k? I would at least ask for ten times as much.

She wanted to, but got sick of counting that high with only 2 fingers.

/windows seat, please
 
2009-10-13 12:56:49 PM  
bhcompy: The article calls her a "youngster" and a "girl" a few times. She's 19. That's an adult.

tiiger: Repeat from 2007.

Amputation after art class burns (new window)


I'd be willing to be these articles are about the same girl, this one being a follow-up. The pictures in the current article are years of healing and reconstruction. If she was too young when it happened, they couldn't release the information.

Knowing how anal Health and Safety can be in Britain (think every stupid thing Risk Management has ever made you do or prevented you from doing, but on a government scale), I would be flabbergasted if it happened twice.
 
2009-10-13 01:19:13 PM  
GaidinBDJ: I would be flabbergasted if it happened twice.

Gobsmacked, even.
 
2009-10-13 01:20:05 PM  
Hermione_Granger: Hands down, that has to be the worst teacher ever! Why didn't the teacher warn them first what type of material they'd be dealing with?

The horror happened after the youngster "misunderstood" instructions from her art teacher. She was meant to put her hands in nearby wet clay to make moulds.


RTFA.
 
2009-10-13 01:26:48 PM  
Hermione_Granger: Hands down, that has to be the worst teacher ever! Why didn't the teacher warn them first what type of material they'd be dealing with?

Again: how did the girl think she was going to get her hands out?

She apparently immersed her hands into so much plaster that, once it hardened, she couldn't get them out. Even if she didn't know about the fact that it's an exothermic reaction, what was her cunning plan?
 
2009-10-13 02:10:48 PM  
Gimme two!
 
2009-10-13 02:31:10 PM  
She could always talk with Belladonna about some sort of fisting video.... Just sayn
 
2009-10-13 02:44:27 PM  
mamoru
Mordant:
The real tragedy is that if they didn't use Celcius to measure temperature 60 degrees is no big deal, the poor girl would have been fine.

What are you suggesting? Kelvin? At 60K, she still would have lost her fingers as they would probably shatter like glass.


No, he didn't mean Kelvin. He said degrees.
 
2009-10-13 03:16:26 PM  
The class and teacher tried using hammers to get it off. There's no way she wasn't sitting there for like 5-10 minutes before realizing she was getting stuck, and uncomfortable.

This was a game that got out of hand. (ugh..)

I'm sure she was giggling and thought she was being pretty darn funny before getting a little uncomfortable and discovering that she was unable to get out of it. A glance around the room would have revealed that when the teacher said to stick their hands in the clay, they were referring to the clay.

Goggles/gloves are to be worn when using plaster of paris, per most standard safety regulations. No, they aren't going to cast gloved hands, you don't cast hand molds with plaster of paris (at least not directly from body parts).

What a shame that this was how she had to learn her lesson regarding respect. Sucks to be her, though I suppose she'll garner enough sympathy to allow the suing to occur, even though it was completely her fault in the first place.

Truth be told, I'd help her get that money, as long as it went into some kinda trust fund thing that's monitored to ensure she get's stuff she needs. I mean, it WAS an accident, even though it was one she could have prevented by not trying to be silly.

I think the loss of her fingers are enough of a punishment, but I'm not feeling good about actually rewarding her at cost to the school.
 
2009-10-13 04:27:37 PM  
Dead-Guy: but I'm not feeling good about actually rewarding her at cost to the school.

It's a f*cking letter grade in grade school. It's not like it means anything anyways.
 
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