I know it's been noted - but 60 degrees C is a very lame temperature to be burned at.

radarr: Old News is New News. (pops)

This happened in 2007. It's even a part of a wikipedia entry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaster

/citation needed

FTFA: The 19-year-old's terrifying ordeal began when the liquid quickly set around her skin, creating temperatures of up to 60C.

FT2007A: The 16-year-old girl is said to have suffered third degree burns as the plaster set.

so unless she aged 3 years in 2, and did it a second time, Oh wait that would still make it NEW

Side Note: Exact same school

AND FT2007A: It said there had been a similar incident a few years ago, in which a pupil had lost two fingers.

How many students have to loose fingers at this school??

I don't care how old she was, holy shiat!
....That's what you get for being an art fag.

60 C may not be boiling hot, but being burnt has a lot to do with how fast heat is transferred, not simply how high the temperature is. Being in contact with a good heat conductor for extended periods of time could result in really bad burns.

glwtta: The way the article is written, you'd think she was 8 years old - she's freaking 19!

Seriously, "youngster"?

That was so weird; It's not like they needed to exaggerate her youth in order for readers to sympathize.



I mean, come on!

Abstract art, nice

God DAMN that would suck...

djh0101010: raygundan: DarthBrooks: Too much art, not enough chemistry at her school. That's obvious.

Yeah... every grumpy chemistry teacher in the world is clipping this article out of the paper to hang on their "why do I need to learn science if I'm going to be an artist" bulletin board.

Yup. The art teacher should have known and stopped it. That said, how could they not find a sink, stick her hands and bucket into it with cold water running, and start in with hammer & chisels?

Exothermic reaction is exothermic. The plaster itself was generating the heat as a byproduct of the chemical reaction, and the heat won't stop until the reaction is complete. Pouring water on it would only cool the top inch or so of material, and from TFA (and the borderline NSFW pic accompanying), it looks like she plunged her whole hands into the stuff. Water wouldn't have helped at all.

madparrot: djh0101010: raygundan: DarthBrooks: Too much art, not enough chemistry at her school. That's obvious.

Yeah... every grumpy chemistry teacher in the world is clipping this article out of the paper to hang on their "why do I need to learn science if I'm going to be an artist" bulletin board.

Yup. The art teacher should have known and stopped it. That said, how could they not find a sink, stick her hands and bucket into it with cold water running, and start in with hammer & chisels?

Exothermic reaction is exothermic. The plaster itself was generating the heat as a byproduct of the chemical reaction, and the heat won't stop until the reaction is complete. Pouring water on it would only cool the top inch or so of material, and from TFA (and the borderline NSFW pic accompanying), it looks like she plunged her whole hands into the stuff. Water wouldn't have helped at all.

BBBBBBBILL NYE THE SCIENCE GUY

madparrot: djh0101010: raygundan: DarthBrooks: Too much art, not enough chemistry at her school. That's obvious.

Yeah... every grumpy chemistry teacher in the world is clipping this article out of the paper to hang on their "why do I need to learn science if I'm going to be an artist" bulletin board.

Yup. The art teacher should have known and stopped it. That said, how could they not find a sink, stick her hands and bucket into it with cold water running, and start in with hammer & chisels?

Exothermic reaction is exothermic. The plaster itself was generating the heat as a byproduct of the chemical reaction, and the heat won't stop until the reaction is complete. Pouring water on it would only cool the top inch or so of material, and from TFA (and the borderline NSFW pic accompanying), it looks like she plunged her whole hands into the stuff. Water wouldn't have helped at all.

An extra inch of comparably undamaged hand may not seem like much to you... but it would still be better than what she got. Your scientific point is correct, but you're still being kind of a jerk about it.

The Yattering: I'm guessing everyone panicked. Cooler hands should have prevailed.

FTFA: "Panic ensued."

Yep...

Rohasman: madparrot: djh0101010: raygundan: DarthBrooks: Too much art, not enough chemistry at her school. That's obvious.

Yeah... every grumpy chemistry teacher in the world is clipping this article out of the paper to hang on their "why do I need to learn science if I'm going to be an artist" bulletin board.

Yup. The art teacher should have known and stopped it. That said, how could they not find a sink, stick her hands and bucket into it with cold water running, and start in with hammer & chisels?

Exothermic reaction is exothermic. The plaster itself was generating the heat as a byproduct of the chemical reaction, and the heat won't stop until the reaction is complete. Pouring water on it would only cool the top inch or so of material, and from TFA (and the borderline NSFW pic accompanying), it looks like she plunged her whole hands into the stuff. Water wouldn't have helped at all.

An extra inch of comparably undamaged hand may not seem like much to you... but it would still be better than what she got. Your scientific point is correct, but you're still being kind of a jerk about it.

He was not being a jerk about it, he was correcting a materially false statement. The only reason I say something is because setting the record right is not "being a jerk", although people today are very quick to get butthurt for no reason other than damaged pride.

Yeah but was she hot?
I mean I know where hands were...

/low hanging fruit

lenfromak: Geez, I just thought of those kits where you can make a mold of your unit. And, how I'll never buy one now.

Usually, those use some sort of alginate (similar to that used for dental impressions)...that dries quickly, and is cool at all times. The container supports the alginate, then you pour the plaster in the area where what you molded USED to be.

djh0101010: raygundan: DarthBrooks: Too much art, not enough chemistry at her school. That's obvious.

Yeah... every grumpy chemistry teacher in the world is clipping this article out of the paper to hang on their "why do I need to learn science if I'm going to be an artist" bulletin board.

Yup. The art teacher should have known and stopped it. That said, how could they not find a sink, stick her hands and bucket into it with cold water running, and start in with hammer & chisels?

Okay, so the article is light on details, but FTFA:

"The horror happened after the youngster "misunderstood" instructions from her art teacher. She was meant to put her hands in nearby wet clay to make moulds."

Either she wasn't paying attention, the teacher wasn't clear enough on which bucket to stick her hands in and which to stay away from, or the girl is an idiot anyway. Sure, maybe you could argue that it was dangerous to put some plaster of paris out there during this exercise, but I dunno, I pretty much have to put most of the blame on the girl from the little evidence the article provides.

The horror happened after the youngster "misunderstood" instructions from her art teacher.

When did 19 year-olds become "youngsters"? She's 19, fercrissake. She can vote and own property. She's an adult. Granted, she's an adult who's stupid enough to shove both her hands into a vat of plaster of Paris, but an adult nonetheless.

Thank God there were no 18 year-old toddlers in the room. That WOULD have been a tragedy.

Gameshot911: Rohasman: madparrot: djh0101010: raygundan: DarthBrooks: Too much art, not enough chemistry at her school. That's obvious.

Yeah... every grumpy chemistry teacher in the world is clipping this article out of the paper to hang on their "why do I need to learn science if I'm going to be an artist" bulletin board.

Yup. The art teacher should have known and stopped it. That said, how could they not find a sink, stick her hands and bucket into it with cold water running, and start in with hammer & chisels?

Exothermic reaction is exothermic. The plaster itself was generating the heat as a byproduct of the chemical reaction, and the heat won't stop until the reaction is complete. Pouring water on it would only cool the top inch or so of material, and from TFA (and the borderline NSFW pic accompanying), it looks like she plunged her whole hands into the stuff. Water wouldn't have helped at all.

An extra inch of comparably undamaged hand may not seem like much to you... but it would still be better than what she got. Your scientific point is correct, but you're still being kind of a jerk about it.

He was not being a jerk about it, he was correcting a materially false statement. The only reason I say something is because setting the record right is not "being a jerk", although people today are very quick to get butthurt for no reason other than damaged pride.

Yes, he did correct the materially false statement. But we're not just talking about a point of scientific misunderstanding. We're talking about a real person here. A person most gravely injured, and made greatly limited by that injury. The lack of care in tone and tenor, as well as the silence on the reason why we are conversing here causes his statement to fall upon the "jerk" side of things. I know, this is Fark, what did I expect? Given the circumstances, I expected (in a moment of weakness) for Anonymous to remember that (s)he, too, is human. Simply being right on a material point does not always justify acts or speech.

Rohasman: Yes, he did correct the materially false statement. But we're not just talking about a point of scientific misunderstanding. We're talking about a real person here. A person most gravely injured, and made greatly limited by that injury. The lack of care in tone and tenor, as well as the silence on the reason why we are conversing here causes his statement to fall upon the "jerk" side of things. I know, this is Fark, what did I expect? Given the circumstances, I expected (in a moment of weakness) for Anonymous to remember that (s)he, too, is human. Simply being right on a material point does not always justify acts or speech.

Hubris Boy: The horror happened after the youngster "misunderstood" instructions from her art teacher.

When did 19 year-olds become "youngsters"? She's 19, fercrissake. She can vote and own property. She's an adult. Granted, she's an adult who's stupid enough to shove both her hands into a vat of plaster of Paris, but an adult nonetheless.

Thank God there were no 18 year-old toddlers in the room. That WOULD have been a tragedy.

She was 16 when it happened though.

PsychoLaurie: Good Behavior Day: No UFIA?

UFIP?

/sorry, that should be UFsIP

You know. I just thought of the correct word "Oh, they mean plaster... not..."

/scooping mind out of gutter

wanted for questioning

fatkidinabeenie: radarr: Old News is New News. (pops)

This happened in 2007. It's even a part of a wikipedia entry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaster

/citation needed

FTFA: The 19-year-old's terrifying ordeal began when the liquid quickly set around her skin, creating temperatures of up to 60C.

FT2007A: The 16-year-old girl is said to have suffered third degree burns as the plaster set.

so unless she aged 3 years in 2, and did it a second time, Oh wait that would still make it NEW

Side Note: Exact same school

AND FT2007A: It said there had been a similar incident a few years ago, in which a pupil had lost two fingers.

How many students have to loose fingers at this school??

One can go from age 16 to 19 in two calender years if it is after his birthday in 2009 and before in 2006.

Math is fun!

chetbango: fatkidinabeenie: radarr: Old News is New News. (pops)

This happened in 2007. It's even a part of a wikipedia entry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaster

/citation needed

FTFA: The 19-year-old's terrifying ordeal began when the liquid quickly set around her skin, creating temperatures of up to 60C.

FT2007A: The 16-year-old girl is said to have suffered third degree burns as the plaster set.

so unless she aged 3 years in 2, and did it a second time, Oh wait that would still make it NEW

Side Note: Exact same school

AND FT2007A: It said there had been a similar incident a few years ago, in which a pupil had lost two fingers.

How many students have to loose fingers at this school??

One can go from age 16 to 19 in two calender years if it is after his birthday in 2009 and before in 2006.

Math is fun!

oops, I mean 2007, not 2006, but you get the point.

FTFA: Mr Hill revealed the youngster, who cannot be named, plans to sue education chiefs for £100,000.

Heh. They're lucky it happened to a FEMALE art student.

Had it been a guy, he would have sued for the loss of his fingers AND his only two girlfriends.

Bummer. For the rest of her life, she'll only be able to count to two.

60 celsius is 160'F.. while that is certainly very hot but I just don't see how it's hot enough to literally burn off her fingers.... the article also didn't mention how long her fingers were in the contraption...

The Yattering: I'm guessing everyone panicked. Cooler hands should have prevailed.



agrees

Holy cow you learn something new every day.

Bessame: l

Usually, those use some sort of alginate (similar to that used for dental impressions)...

THIS

Seriously people, if you're going to mold anything on a live body and don't want 3rd degree burns, use Alginate. Nice and cool, and sets up in a few 5-10 minutes. It's a disposable mold (can't store it since it's algae based, starts to, uh, mold)but it'll stay good long enough to get a couple of plaster parts (heh) out of.

/using ultracal at work now
//stuff gets super hot AND sets up under water

Man On Pink Corner: Hubris Boy: Granted, she's an adult who's stupid enough to shove both her hands into a vat of plaster of Paris, but an adult nonetheless.

I'll admit I wouldn't have known not to do that.

I wouldn't have known about it either, but I generally stay away from things that burn me.

I wonder how hot it felt. (Frog-in-a-saucepan effect?)

SuperNinjaToad: 60 celsius is 160'F.. while that is certainly very hot but I just don't see how it's hot enough to literally burn off her fingers.... the article also didn't mention how long her fingers were in the contraption...

It didn't "literally burn off her fingers;" it "literally cooked her fingers," which forced their amputation.

If "BTech in Art" means a college level course, then the student should have some concept of materials. It seems like the teacher didn't draw enough attention to the very real danger of plunging ones hand into unset plaster of paris, but... c'mon. The student should have at least known the basic concept of creating a mold and filling it with the plaster and not vis versa.

Note to self: Don't do that.

i can helpz you. I holdz your drink.

//sorry to hear about stuff like that. some people dont deserve it.

Pseudacris: I know it's been noted - but 60 degrees C is a very lame temperature to be burned at.

Heat you oven up to 140F and grab one of the elements if you want to see what 140F feels like....or turn your hot water heater up to 140F and take a shower.

Silvara: Oh sure, add the 's' to hand to make it look like what I said look stupid.

Didn't need any external help with that sentence ;)

/Constant victim of my own over-editing

good thing she didn't hike up her dress try for a sitzmark.

try that with bondo...once when i was jstakittn, i mixed up a whole gallon with a drill mixer...it got thicker & thicker...
when it froze up, i threw it outside, thinking it might catch fire, it was way over 212*
the mixing rod was amputated...

artists are nuts anyways. thinners, dryers, powders, poor ventilation, poor cleanup and storage. it's amazing any of them live past 40.

That was a remedial art class mistake. The days leading up to working with plaster in high school were 'don't be a dumbfark and make a mold of your hand because it will burn and they need to saw the block away because it shrinks slightly while it sets.'

TheShavingofOccam123: artists are nuts anyways. thinners, dryers, powders, poor ventilation, poor cleanup and storage. it's amazing any of them live past 40.

That's why all the good ones get crazier as time goes on. We should really study artists and bioaccumulation.

//wanted for questioning