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Congratulations to 40below for achieving 10,000 greenlights on Fark. Also some of Fark's favorite Headlines of the Week for 10/4 - 10/10 
Posted by Drew at 2009-10-12 3:15:18 PM (448 comments) | Permalink
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A lot of times before we get to the Headline of the Week, we do a little writeup on media trends, but this week we have a happy milestone to announce. Today, our most prolific submitter--you know him as 40below--passed 10,000 greenlights. Congratulations, sir, you've accomplished a feat that is difficult to imagine even among the regular submitters.

Considering that his account was created back in February 2004, that means he's averaged about 5.5 greenlights a day, every day since he joined. You may use your own adjectives for that, but I'm going to pick impressive.

While the importance of the Fark community cannot be downplayed, the submitters are often overlooked unless they come into a popular thread and take the occasional well-deserved bow. It's easy to recognize the popular posters because they're so visible, but the submitters provide so much of the entertainment value here. They're the ones that not only find fresh oddball and weird news stories, but then go the extra mile by crafting the headlines that have made nearly everybody here laugh at inappropriate times in the office, occasionally during meetings, and have made us all spit out our beverage of choice onto our keyboards.

Everybody who contributes to Fark in some small way makes this place better. And today, I want to give a nod to somebody who has helped make Fark into something special.

Thank you, 40below. Good work.

Headlines Of The Week for Sun 2009-10-04 to Sat 2009-10-10:

img1.fark.net  New eye-examiner had internship in Alaska; may be an optical Aleutian    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Cookbook for cancer patients: "We were hoping for tumor chapters, but the publisher said there could only benign"    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  300 U.S. children are burned each day. Well done parents    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Helen Keller to be honored with a statue on Capitol Hill. Guess hiding from the Nazis all those years finally paid off    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Barack Obama linked to terrorist Yasser Arafat    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Man finally wins his battle to have the "refrigerator from hell" replaced. In related news, the triumphal return of Gozer has been postponed indefinitely    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Trio of burglars steals $100K in perfume. Authorities encourage citizens to report any information through the appropriate Chanels    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Golfer loses arm after being attacked by alligator. No word on what his handicap is now    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  United Nations plane crash leaves 11 dead, food for the whole village    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  This Sunday, the Pope will canonize five new saints, including one from Hawaii. Wait, what? After only eight months in office?    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Convicted sex offender sues state, claiming his arrest for attending a church with a daycare restricts his First Amendment rights, dating opportunities    img.fark.net


Sports:

img1.fark.net  One legged fighter becomes the first disabled competitor to win an MMA bout, receiving a leaning ovation from the crowd    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  St. Louis Blues investigating escalator that injured thirteen, left a dozen stranded for hours    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  College bands reprimanded for playing at "inappropriate times" during football game, presumably 7/16 or 9/23    img.fark.net


Geek:

img1.fark.net  Children as young as five found to be using the Internet without parental supervision. All of a sudden the Politics tab makes sense    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Blackbirds found to have better understanding of physics than chimpanzees, liberal arts majors    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  U.S. develops plan to control massive wild horse population in western states. We won't get into the details, but hope you enjoy your next My Little McPony Happy Meal    img.fark.net


Showbiz:

img1.fark.net  "Zombieland" takes the box office Friday, proving people really do love brainless entertainment    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Jude Law's "Hamlet" falls somewhere between "to see" and "not to see"    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  The Godfather and its sequels are the classic films Britons are the most likely to claim to have seen without actually watching the movies. Except for Godfather 3, nobody would ever admit to watching that    img.fark.net


Politics:

img1.fark.net  Obamas share quiet dinner to celebrate wedding anniversary, last time anyone accepted one of Barack's proposals    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Obama will donate his $1.4 million in Nobel Prize money to charity, the Foundation for Rubbing it in Bill and Hillary Clinton's Smug Faces    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Hillary Clinton settles dispute between Turkey and Armenia. If only there was some prize she could win to show how she's making peace in the world    img.fark.net


Music:

img1.fark.net  U2 'desperate' to have their own video game reflective of the band but say they can't find a developer able to design a game that is equal parts pompous and suck and that drags on for hours without actually getting anywhere    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Jethro Tull shows what happens if you mix the drugs of Burning Man, Bill The Butcher's kid brother and an unreleased dance number from The Lord of the Rings    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Jay-Z credits Wham as an early influence. Is there no end to Andrew Ridgeley's reign of terror?    img.fark.net


Business:

img1.fark.net  Dutch start Europe's first camel dairy, proving once again that there's no idea so dumb that the Dutch won't try it first    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Headline: "Verizon to sell 2 Google phones this year". Why all the optimism, Verizon?    img.fark.net

img1.fark.net  Starbucks sues former executive who moved to Dunkin' Donuts. Legal experts say plaintiff has grounds    img.fark.net
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2009-10-12 06:03:42 PM
Oh_Enough_Already: Meh, I've seen REDLIT links go green later on when 40 submitted them (with no improvement whatsoever on the headline) proof positive that the rules get bent for him. (Once RED things are supposed to STAY RED).

Hell, it's their site they can do what they wish but allowing everybody to falsely believe that the link approval process is an even-handed one is fundamentally dishonest.

Yeah, he's got 10,000 greens but lets see if he could do the same starting fresh today with a new login that has no clout and a non-TF account.

Don't hold your breath . . . .

/not impressed by Barry Bonds either.


Normally, I just let this sort of nonsense go, but I'm going to respond because you're speaking as some kind of authority on a matter that you have no real knowledge of.

On some occasions, a link that was redlit is later green. This has nothing at all to do with who submitted it, but rather it's a link that got a lot of +1 votes and another admin liked it and decided it was overlooked by accident. There is no consideration made for who submitted it. Not sure where you're coming from when you say, "Once RED, things are supposed to STAY RED." It smacks of an authoritarianism that really doesn't exist from Drew or any of the admins/mods, and I've met every one of them.

Hell, it's their site they can do what they wish but allowing everybody to falsely believe that the link approval process is an even-handed one is fundamentally dishonest.

It is. I know because I do it. I have to pass up some great headlines sometimes because they're repeats, or I miss some great headlines because I miss the cultural reference. I select links if the headline is funny or if the link is sufficiently interesting. That's it. No more, no less. Your assertion of "fundamental dishonesty" would be irritating if it weren't so easy for me to dismiss.
 
2009-10-12 06:04:29 PM
yeah, but my account number is a lot lower.

1 greenlight, proud of it.
 
2009-10-12 06:04:57 PM
Kick@$$ business model.

Develop a niche website and have others "do the work" which draws readers, which brings eyeballs from Google adds.

No ripping on you Drew, genius.

10K greelights? Dude, get a real job or cut the take with Drew.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2009-10-12 06:04:58 PM
Hey, Drew, can I have a thread when I hit 10,000 rejected submissions next year?
 
2009-10-12 06:08:31 PM
Unfreakable, is the name of the submitter readily visible when you're deciding what to approve?
 
2009-10-12 06:10:09 PM
Oh_Enough_Already: In Fark parlance I've "gotten over it" it just bothers me that the green approval process is not what they lead people to believe it is.

Please explain for me exactly what the greenlighting approval process is. I'm eager for you to explain to me how I pick links.
 
2009-10-12 06:13:58 PM
I have a question:

Why you mods see the headlines, do you see the submitter behind them?
 
2009-10-12 06:14:09 PM
That is impressive and all, but wouldn't that take 80 hours a week for 10 years to accomplish?

/my apologies to anyone who already asked this, dnrtft
 
2009-10-12 06:14:50 PM
*when
 
2009-10-12 06:15:10 PM
treesloth: Unfreakable, is the name of the submitter readily visible when you're deciding what to approve?

Not "readily" but I can see it if I look for it. The information is available to me, but I don't really have time to bother looking for that when I'm trying to read through 150-300 headlines.
 
2009-10-12 06:16:25 PM
GoSurfing: I have a question:

Why you mods see the headlines, do you see the submitter behind them?


I'm able to find that out, yeah.
 
2009-10-12 06:16:38 PM
Unfreakable: Oh_Enough_Already: Meh, I've seen REDLIT links go green later on when 40 submitted them (with no improvement whatsoever on the headline) proof positive that the rules get bent for him. (Once RED things are supposed to STAY RED).

Hell, it's their site they can do what they wish but allowing everybody to falsely believe that the link approval process is an even-handed one is fundamentally dishonest.

Yeah, he's got 10,000 greens but lets see if he could do the same starting fresh today with a new login that has no clout and a non-TF account.

Don't hold your breath . . . .

/not impressed by Barry Bonds either.

Normally, I just let this sort of nonsense go, but I'm going to respond because you're speaking as some kind of authority on a matter that you have no real knowledge of.

On some occasions, a link that was redlit is later green. This has nothing at all to do with who submitted it, but rather it's a link that got a lot of +1 votes and another admin liked it and decided it was overlooked by accident. There is no consideration made for who submitted it. Not sure where you're coming from when you say, "Once RED, things are supposed to STAY RED." It smacks of an authoritarianism that really doesn't exist from Drew or any of the admins/mods, and I've met every one of them.

Hell, it's their site they can do what they wish but allowing everybody to falsely believe that the link approval process is an even-handed one is fundamentally dishonest.

It is. I know because I do it. I have to pass up some great headlines sometimes because they're repeats, or I miss some great headlines because I miss the cultural reference. I select links if the headline is funny or if the link is sufficiently interesting. That's it. No more, no less. Your assertion of "fundamental dishonesty" would be irritating if it weren't so easy for me to dismiss.


Then do away with the "was submitted on such and such date and was NOT listed" prompt when submitting links.

It infers, quite motherfarking clearly, that a submission will not be accepted as it was already rejected, hence a REDLIT link.

How/why/etc when a few days later the same freaking story goes green (even though it's statistically impossible that the now green story was the original redlit one being "rediscovered" rather than merely being from a favored submitter) is proof positive that the fix is on.

You simply can't argue otherwise.

Furthermore, as another poster mentioned, the fact that some people get their submissions INSTANLY and I mean INSTANTLY non-approved is also proof positive that there is some automation involved in the rejection process.

If/when automation exists in the rejection process then so to it is likely it exists in the acceptance process, i.e. "When From 40Below = Green."

Show us a list of his 500,000 REDLIT submissions and you might have a point.

But, calculating how many he has per day being a percentage of the total he must submit to get that number and the time it would take to do that it's quite obvious that he doesn't face the same measure of screening (if any) before his links are greened.

Argue against it all you like, sir but it's all simple math plains as the nose on your face.

The evidence, both anecdotal as well as statistical that things are not what they seem is simply too overwhelming to be dismissed however ardently you may try to do so . . . .
 
2009-10-12 06:17:16 PM
40below? I don't give a fark.
I gotta heater in my truck.


/congrats, Sir.
 
2009-10-12 06:17:23 PM
40below is an extraterrestrial
 
2009-10-12 06:18:14 PM
Unfreakable: treesloth: Unfreakable, is the name of the submitter readily visible when you're deciding what to approve?

Not "readily" but I can see it if I look for it. The information is available to me, but I don't really have time to bother looking for that when I'm trying to read through 150-300 headlines.


What about whether it comes from a liter or TFer? Just curious, since approval processes are being detailed.
 
2009-10-12 06:19:12 PM
Unfreakable: GoSurfing: I have a question:

Why you mods see the headlines, do you see the submitter behind them?

I'm able to find that out, yeah.


So are you able to see how that might not be fair---how you might be partial to give the green to a totalFarker rather than a liter?

How you might be partial to give the green to the popular ones around here?...

Now it is really a joke to me, it really is just a big circle jerk.
 
2009-10-12 06:23:30 PM
Broz_Tito: Get a life 40below.

This

Plus could you do something about the headline font in the threads? It's too small and I can't read it.....
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2009-10-12 06:27:36 PM
When Jeff was an admin he said he knew when scanning the queue which submissions were from TFers and used that as a tiebreaker. I think the username is listed too, but I don't recall for sure.

Oh_Enough_Already: How/why/etc when a few days later the same freaking story goes green (even though it's statistically impossible that the now green story was the original redlit one being "rediscovered" rather than merely being from a favored submitter) is proof positive that the fix is on.

Drew said in an interview earlier this year that he is happy with a minority of users generating the majority of the content and he lets some people resubmit rejected links with better headlines.

Not that it's hard to get around the duplicate filter in most cases. To some degree it's a speed bump to prevent queue flooding by users who don't know everything that's been submitted this week.

I usually consider it poaching to submit a story I wouldn't have found elsewhere before the admins have redlit the first link I saw. After that it's fair game.
 
2009-10-12 06:28:06 PM
Unfreakable: treesloth: Unfreakable, is the name of the submitter readily visible when you're deciding what to approve?

Not "readily" but I can see it if I look for it. The information is available to me, but I don't really have time to bother looking for that when I'm trying to read through 150-300 headlines.


That's OK. We can see the screening process is time consuming as there are a lot of greens that are duplicates or others and greens of webpages behind logins that nobody can get to without one. We can't expect all mods to actually read the links that people submit.

Step 1: Become a mod.

Step 2: Get one of these:
1.bp.blogspot.com

Step 3: Profit?
 
2009-10-12 06:28:14 PM
at80eighty: Dee Snarl: In other news, 40Below is a pathetic loser virgin...

he's happy married w/ kids you failure


Ooh, thanks for getting me straightened out. That was a pretty major can of whoopass I was opening up on him....

/you doofus
 
2009-10-12 06:29:35 PM
Way to go!

/get a life.
 
2009-10-12 06:31:02 PM
Wow. There sure is a lot of butthurt in this thread.
 
2009-10-12 06:33:04 PM
Congrats on being a laaaaaaaaaahooooosiiiirrrrrrr!
 
2009-10-12 06:37:50 PM
He steals all of his ideas from me. Damn psychic.
 
2009-10-12 06:39:02 PM
GoSurfing: How you might be partial to give the green to the popular ones around here?

That must be it! Now you've uncovered the motive for the conspiracy by the Fark owners to funnel Fark greenlights to 40below so that they... um... can greenlight a thread about him having greenlights, so... um... let's see... carry the two... no, it's not the reverse vampires... the educated stupid should acknowledge the natural antipodes of +1 x +1 = +1 and -1 x -1 = -1 exist as plus and minus values of opposite creation ... add the ha-ha guy... yeah.

It's all clear now.
 
2009-10-12 06:40:04 PM
Me: What was the last bid?

Bob Barker: 40below

Me: I'll bid 41below, Bob!

/I'm not jealous
//is proud of mah 2 greens
///need more greens ...
////I has a sad ...
//but teh slashies make me happy!
 
2009-10-12 06:40:38 PM
10,000 green lights? So far with all my submissions I have 0.
 
2009-10-12 06:42:02 PM
Nice job, prolificmitter! I imagine you are funny as hell to be able to come up with that many greenlights! Is there some sort of e-newsletter of yours to which one could subscribe?
 
2009-10-12 06:42:37 PM
Yoduh: there's his life, defending yours.

I don't actually live in a dome covered with baby blue tiles, but whatever.

40below -- not sure what branch of the server you're in (and too lazy to read your profile) but "Semper Fi" from this Marine on the whole military thing, and "Wow, Thanks" for your contributions from this farker.
 
2009-10-12 06:44:05 PM
I've had one or two submissions.

frankly, if you have 10,000 submissions, it's time to go outside into the world. meet some people, find a nice girl or guy whateverthefawk, fall in love...


you know...live your life.

Just saying.

So where are you putting the trophy for being the biggest geek on this site?
 
2009-10-12 06:46:35 PM
Oh_Enough_Already: Then do away with the "was submitted on such and such date and was NOT listed" prompt when submitting links.

It infers, quite motherfarking clearly, that a submission will not be accepted as it was already rejected, hence a REDLIT link.

How/why/etc when a few days later the same freaking story goes green (even though it's statistically impossible that the now green story was the original redlit one being "rediscovered" rather than merely being from a favored submitter) is proof positive that the fix is on.

You simply can't argue otherwise.

Furthermore, as another poster mentioned, the fact that some people get their submissions INSTANLY and I mean INSTANTLY non-approved is also proof positive that there is some automation involved in the rejection process.

If/when automation exists in the rejection process then so to it is likely it exists in the acceptance process, i.e. "When From 40Below = Green."

Show us a list of his 500,000 REDLIT submissions and you might have a point.

But, calculating how many he has per day being a percentage of the total he must submit to get that number and the time it would take to do that it's quite obvious that he doesn't face the same measure of screening (if any) before his links are greened.

Argue against it all you like, sir but it's all simple math plains as the nose on your face.

The evidence, both anecdotal as well as statistical that things are not what they seem is simply too overwhelming to be dismissed however ardently you may try to do so . . . .


The filter against repeat submissions was originally implemented to cut down on people submitting the same links over and over. It's useful when the link's been greenlit, but with so many different new outlets, it's usually not difficult to find the same story elsewhere. Some tech-savvy submitters occasionally find ways to get around that. It's frowned upon. I can and will argue otherwise, because before I was an admin I was a regular submitter, and I discovered a way to do it.

There is no automated process for redlighting and greenlighting links. It is always done manually by one of the link-picking admins. Cling to your conspiracy theory if you must, but know that it's wrong. If there was an automated process, the queue would never get huge like it does on occasion when an admin isn't available. And all of the links would be picked as they came in. It would be convenient, frankly. I don't know why the other poster's headline was redlit, but the odds are good that it was either a previously greenlit story or the headline just wasn't quite good enough. It happens to everybody who submits.

I won't bother you or anybody else with an exhaustive list of anybody's redlit submissions, but when I did well I got about 5 greenlights out of 30 submissions, which is an approval rate of about 17%. I did a bit better on weekends because fewer people submitted, but it was workable, and when I was on a roll I could get 7-8 greenlights. Any regular submitter here will tell you that it's a numbers game. You put a lot of links out there, and you get into a rhythm. Regular submitters have a few advantages over other people submitting here. First and foremost is numbers: they put more out there, and that increases their chances. Also, regular submitters tend to read through the previous day's headlines so that they don't waste time submitting a story that was already greenlit. There's also a certain rhythm with anybody that submits a lot. Google news alerts make it easy to find obscure stories that aren't on the main page of any websites. Five greenlights a day is nearly 2000 links in a year. That's not an impossible number to achieve at all, it just takes dedication.

Then again, if you won't listen to me--and I do this every day--I have a feeling that you're much more comfortable with your belief, wrong as it is. And you're welcome to it, for as long as you wish to fool yourself.
 
2009-10-12 06:47:26 PM
Good god 40below...go outside!
 
2009-10-12 06:47:44 PM
Contrabulous Flabtraption: What about whether it comes from a liter or TFer? Just curious, since approval processes are being detailed.

I am also able to look that up if I want to bother.
 
2009-10-12 06:47:46 PM
Unfreakable: treesloth: Unfreakable, is the name of the submitter readily visible when you're deciding what to approve?

Not "readily" but I can see it if I look for it. The information is available to me, but I don't really have time to bother looking for that when I'm trying to read through 150-300 headlines.


I appreciate the response, particularly to a rather hostile crowd. If I may press my luck, I'm curious about a couple of points.

1) It seems impossible that there isn't some form of favoritism, whether it be to particular subbies, or to TF members (which I see alleged quite often but can't prove), etc. My reasoning is probably sort of naive-- there are a lot of greenlit headlines that are, to be blunt, rather crappy, and there are a lot of redlit ones that are quality-- funny, provocative, etc-- and are linked to topics that aren't greenlit. How does that work? Why does it seem that certain people (and, if my fellow complainers are to be believed, certain groups) that appear to be favored. I don't mean to hold you accountable for our delusions; rather, is there anything behind the scenes that might explain that perception?

2) What's with the insta-reject? I explained higher up what happened to me.
 
2009-10-12 06:49:31 PM
GoSurfing: So are you able to see how that might not be fair---how you might be partial to give the green to a totalFarker rather than a liter?

How you might be partial to give the green to the popular ones around here?...

Now it is really a joke to me, it really is just a big circle jerk.


I answered the question honestly. I'm able to look it up. I also stated that I didn't bother. I don't pick links based on the submitter.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2009-10-12 06:51:30 PM
2) What's with the insta-reject? I explained higher up what happened to me.

When I see that I figure the headline caught an admin's eye for whatever reason. Once the admin is looking at the link he might as well green or red it right away to save work.
 
2009-10-12 06:52:02 PM
Why are people under the impression that you have to spend your entire life on a computer to average 5.5 submissions a day?

He checks news sites, submits the links, and writes a headline. It's quick.

The impressive thing about him is that he's obviously very witty, and has the style of humor we all want to see on Fark down to an exact science.
 
2009-10-12 06:54:23 PM
chimp_ninja: It's all clear now.

Denying the obvious conflict of interest is obvious.
 
2009-10-12 06:55:53 PM
tricycleracer
Of the top 100 submitters all-time:

Mean = 1178.44
Std. Dev = 1171.28

40Below is over 7 standard deviations above the mean.

It's highly-doubtful that this is the handiwork of one person.

/Amateur skeptic & statistician.
//I have no idea what I'm talking about.


That's only the case if you assume a normal distribution, whereas I suspect (although we only have 100 data points which were not randomly sampled.) It is much more likely that the data is exponentially distributed, i.e. the percentage of submitters who have achieved some cutoff number of greenlights decreases exponentially as that cutoff is increased. That's also far from favoritism; even once I had accumulated a large number of greenlights, I was barely doing any better than when I was a liter with only a handful of greenlights. I was slightly more successful only because I got better at figuring out what admins wanted.

Oh_Enough_Already

Since you're so big on anecdotal evidence, here's some for you. I started submitting as a liter and I had about a 15% approval ratio from day one. Back when I used to submit large numbers of links on a regular basis, I got up to about a 20% chance of getting a given link greenlit. That's far from auto-approval. If I was a baseball player, I'd be sent to the minors with a batting average like that.

Furthermore, the idea that some people get there links automatically redlit is nonsense. TotalFarkers can see every submitted link. When no admin has been through in a while, there's a list of about 100-200 headlines that are neither red nor green, because they haven't been evaluated yet. If some people's submissions were automatically rejected, there would be one or two redlit submissions sprinkled in there, but that's not the case. Yes, sometimes links go red/green within a few minutes of being submitted. That means that the link was submitted right before the admin started going through the queue, so he saw it right away.
 
2009-10-12 06:56:49 PM
For all of those who don't get his Login:

Rodeo Song lyrics

Well it's 40 below and I don't give a fark
Got a heater in my truck and I'm off to the rodeo
And it's allemande left and allemande right
Come on ya farkin' dummy get your right step right
Get off the stage ya god damn goof, get off

piss me off, farkin' jerk, get on my nerves

Well here comes Johnny with his pecker in his hand
He's a one ball man and he's off to the rodeo
And it's allemande left and allemande right
Come on ya farkin' dummy get your right step right
Get off the stage ya god damn goof, get off

piss me off, farkin' jerk, get on my nerves

Well it's 40 below and I aint got a truck
and I dont give a fark cause I'm off to the rodeo
And it's allemande left and allemande right
Come on ya farkin' dummy get your right step right
Get off the stage ya god damn goof, get off

piss me off, farkin' jerk, get on my nerves

Well here comes Johnny with his pecker in his hand
He's a one ball man and he's off to the rodeo
And it's allemande left and allemande right
Come on ya farkin' dummy get your right step right
Get off the stage ya god damn goof, get off

piss me off, farkin' jerks, get on my nerves
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2009-10-12 06:56:59 PM
bobbarker02: Why are people under the impression that you have to spend your entire life on a computer to average 5.5 submissions a day?

5.5 greens. If he's twice as good as I am he has to submit 20 links to get those greens.

The impressive thing about him is that he's obviously very witty, and has the style of humor we all want to see on Fark down to an exact science.

There's no "we all want." I dislike some of the cliches that get greens. Maybe some are 40below's. Maybe not.

It helps that he works in media and sees a whole lot of news in his job. My job has me seeing stuff like the relative cost of memory barrier operations on different microprocessors, which is a lot less greenworthy.
 
2009-10-12 06:59:11 PM
CynicalLA: Yoduh: there's his life, defending yours.

now don't you feel a bit silly now?

No, he's not defending me.


You're a TWA tea.

srs.
 
2009-10-12 07:01:00 PM
treesloth: 1) It seems impossible that there isn't some form of favoritism, whether it be to particular subbies, or to TF members (which I see alleged quite often but can't prove), etc. My reasoning is probably sort of naive-- there are a lot of greenlit headlines that are, to be blunt, rather crappy, and there are a lot of redlit ones that are quality-- funny, provocative, etc-- and are linked to topics that aren't greenlit. How does that work? Why does it seem that certain people (and, if my fellow complainers are to be believed, certain groups) that appear to be favored. I don't mean to hold you accountable for our delusions; rather, is there anything behind the scenes that might explain that perception?

2) What's with the insta-reject? I explained higher up what happened to me.


It's a tough call. Sometimes a story is new, and my temptation is to greenlight it right away, but I want to give it time for more headlines to come in that are better quality, so I'll redlight it or leave it alone while I see if there's a better headline down the queue. I've left some headlines alone for over an hour (to the TF submitters who can see it and know it's not red, but not green, I apologize. I know it's torture) with the hopes that a better headline will come in. Sometimes a better one does, sometimes it doesn't. It's a risk to pass on a good Farkworthy story in hopes of getting a better headline. Sometimes a lesser headline gets through. Some of the most brilliant headlines I've seen have been redlit, because they came in a day after we already ran the story. Other times, a better headline didn't come along. Since there are different admins, we each have our own sense of humor, our own likes and dislikes in a headline. If you gave the same queue to each of us, we'd each have a slightly different selection. Even during the Headline of the Year contests, people argue about which headlines are awesome and can't believe that the best headline (their favorite) isn't getting more votes. That's the best explanation I can offer.

I don't know why your previous headline was redlit very soon after it was submitted. No idea.
 
2009-10-12 07:02:29 PM
Congrats on some good headlines. Now about the CONTENT of the actual news articles. The article that *I* submitted...you know, the one where Toyota is facing massive recalls and has a problem with their quality went where?

Didn't even make it to the biz section. And while my headline might not have been up to Snarkmaster standards, maybe the "news" might have made it?

FAIL tag needed.
 
2009-10-12 07:02:51 PM
What may be happening in 40below's bedroom: Link (new window)
 
2009-10-12 07:03:52 PM
Okay, gotta leave the thread so I can help get dinner started and get a haircut. Probably not in that order.

I'll be happy to further discuss by email if any of you have questions, if I'm not back in this thread later.
 
2009-10-12 07:06:27 PM
Unfreakable: It's a tough call. Sometimes a story is new, and my temptation is to greenlight it right away, but I want to give it time for more headlines to come in that are better quality, so I'll redlight it or leave it alone while I see if there's a better headline down the queue. I've left some headlines alone for over an hour (to the TF submitters who can see it and know it's not red, but not green, I apologize. I know it's torture) with the hopes that a better headline will come in. Sometimes a better one does, sometimes it doesn't. It's a risk to pass on a good Farkworthy story in hopes of getting a better headline. Sometimes a lesser headline gets through. Some of the most brilliant headlines I've seen have been redlit, because they came in a day after we already ran the story. Other times, a better headline didn't come along. Since there are different admins, we each have our own sense of humor, our own likes and dislikes in a headline. If you gave the same queue to each of us, we'd each have a slightly different selection. Even during the Headline of the Year contests, people argue about which headlines are awesome and can't believe that the best headline (their favorite) isn't getting more votes. That's the best explanation I can offer.

I don't know why your previous headline was redlit very soon after it was submitted. No idea.


I appreciate the explanation. Now, if you could just explain the phenomenon that is gorgor... but, I get the feeling that's better left to saints, philosophers and abnormal psychologists...
 
2009-10-12 07:08:13 PM
nice job, you farker.. now get a job..

/jealous
 
2009-10-12 07:10:26 PM
Jesus, I didn't know people were really that into this. I submitted one link like 5 years ago, it wasn't greenlit so I gave up. I'm just persistent like that.
 
2009-10-12 07:11:15 PM
Blowmonkey: Jesus, I didn't know people were really that into this. I submitted one link like 5 years ago, it wasn't greenlit so I gave up. I'm just persistent like that.

Ditto.
 
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