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(Philly.com)   Convicted sex offender sues state, claiming his arrest for attending a church with a daycare restricts his First Amendment rights, dating opportunities   (philly.com) divider line 107
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2009-10-10 10:48:19 AM  
Interesting problem. Is it possible to find a church that doesn't allow children within 10 miles of its sky-wizard radius?
 
2009-10-10 10:51:53 AM  
His convictions are with teenage girls. He's not a pedophile why the fark is he barred from something with a daycare?
 
2009-10-10 10:58:19 AM  
This is ridiculous. If a sex offender is so dangerous that he can barely live anywhere, isn't allowed anywhere near kids, and has his name and address posted for all to see, just lock him up in prison. Or, decide he's not a danger and let him live free, he's served his time.

And for God's sake treat different sex offenses differently: Molesting a 4 year old shouldn't get you the same punishment as peeing outdoors.
 
2009-10-10 11:11:50 AM  
Gwendolyn: His convictions are with teenage girls. He's not a pedophile why the fark is he barred from something with a daycare?

according to the sex offender registry, he was 21 when he committed the indecent liberty with a minor offenses (convicted on two counts) and 26 when convicted of two counts of attempted 2nd degree rape. he is listed as a recidivist.

Link
 
2009-10-10 11:13:52 AM  
How old was this teenager? Because let's be honest here. There are HOT teenagers out there. I wouldn't be stupid enough to do anything about it but this guy isn't necessarily in the same group as someone who does something with actual children.
 
2009-10-10 11:35:49 AM  
The clergy doesn't like the competition.
 
2009-10-10 11:50:10 AM  
WTF... I submitted this story about a month ago with a funnier headline.
 
2009-10-10 11:51:06 AM  
 
2009-10-10 12:13:23 PM  
I am supprized that none of these guys have gone falling down crazy and took out a bunch of kids.
 
2009-10-10 12:22:03 PM  
Thuull: Interesting problem. Is it possible to find a church that doesn't allow children within 10 miles of its sky-wizard radius?

They like to start the indoctrination early, so probably not.
 
2009-10-10 12:34:16 PM  
sweetmelissa31: They like to start the indoctrination early, so probably not.

Is that what the priests are calling it these days?

/bow chicka bow bow
 
2009-10-10 01:32:15 PM  
smooshie: And for God's sake treat different sex offenses differently: Molesting a 4 year old shouldn't get you the same punishment as peeing outdoors.

I think the problem is that peeing outdoors is considered a sex offense in the first place.
 
2009-10-10 01:37:42 PM  
jaylectricity: The clergy doesn't like the competition.

This thread is now over.
 
2009-10-10 02:46:01 PM  
I knew a guy who did 7 years in prison for supposedly flashing a 16 year old girl while he cut her off in traffic. Lesson of this story, stay out of Lufkin, TX.

He told me he went to register as a sex offender when he got out, and the woman cop was shocked and angry that he did 7 years for that while people who rape little kids get probation.
 
2009-10-10 02:46:16 PM  
You lose a lot of constitutional rights when you are a convicted sex offender. Deal with it.
 
2009-10-10 02:46:47 PM  
I would say it is up to the individual church whether or not they want him in their church. They can then choose to implement whatever they feel is right for their church i.e always having someone present with him etc..
 
2009-10-10 02:48:43 PM  
So he's the priest, right?

/DNRTFA
 
2009-10-10 02:52:08 PM  
I'm fairly confused about this sort of law.

Can a drunk driver be sentenced to not be within a certain distance of all bar's or liquor store's?

Can a shoplifter be sentenced to not be within a certain distance of all business's?

Can a violent murderer who is released be sentenced to not be within a certain distance of people?

Either the person is a threat to the public, or not. Pick one.

If he is a threat, why was he released? If he isn't, why do you care what he does?

Silly stuff people.
 
2009-10-10 02:52:20 PM  
Gwendolyn: His convictions are with teenage girls. He's not a pedophile why the fark is he barred from something with a daycare?

Yay, My very first ^THIS^
 
2009-10-10 02:54:17 PM  
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2009-10-10 02:56:38 PM  
punk.canuck: I'm fairly confused about this sort of law.

Can a drunk driver be sentenced to not be within a certain distance of all bar's or liquor store's?

Can a shoplifter be sentenced to not be within a certain distance of all business's?

Sex offenders are much more likely to commit another sex offense than your run of the mill criminal is likely to do whatever it is he likes to do.

Can a violent murderer who is released be sentenced to not be within a certain distance of people?

Either the person is a threat to the public, or not. Pick one.

If he is a threat, why was he released? If he isn't, why do you care what he does?

Silly stuff people.
 
2009-10-10 02:57:28 PM  
Second degree rape?

That sounds fine. As long as it wasn't rape rape
 
2009-10-10 02:57:36 PM  
Sex offenders are much more likely to commit another sex offense than your run of the mill criminal is likely to do whatever it is he likes to do.

/fml
 
2009-10-10 03:01:46 PM  
triptrap: Sex offenders are much more likely to commit another sex offense than your run of the mill criminal is likely to do whatever it is he likes to do.

/fml


Except for the simple fact that you're wrong about that, and sex offenders have lower recidivism rates than many other classes of criminals.

Theft, for instance, has a far, far higher recidivism rate. I think even murder does.
 
2009-10-10 03:02:24 PM  
What the hell!?!? They have daycare centers in churches?

Well, I hope it's at least not a Catholic church.
 
2009-10-10 03:04:40 PM  
triptrap: whatever it is he likes to do

t1.gstatic.com

LOL WUT?
 
2009-10-10 03:05:58 PM  
Convicted sex offender James Nichols said he was trying to better himself by going to church.

I would say this might be good if the church functioned for him as though a sex offender support group, but this seemed redundant.
 
2009-10-10 03:11:45 PM  
Gwynplaine: Gwendolyn: His convictions are with teenage girls. He's not a pedophile why the fark is he barred from something with a daycare?

Yay, My very first ^THIS^


Why doesn't the filthy bugger just take a bus to a different church? Do they ALL have daycares?

FTA:

"Criminalizing the practice of religion for everyone on the registry will do more harm than good," said Sara Totonchi, policy director for the Southern Center for Human Rights. "With these laws, states are driving people on the registry from their faith community and depriving them of the rehabilitative influence of the church."


They are not criminalizing the practice of religion, for fark's sakes! They want sex offenders not to be near daycares.

And also...
Nichols, 32, who was twice convicted of indecent liberties with a teen girl and again for attempted second-degree rape.

It doesn't say who he tried to rape...
 
2009-10-10 03:14:03 PM  
NC used to have a law that allowed girls to marry as young as 12 if they were pregnant, so WTF to this? One more for an NC trifecta?
 
2009-10-10 03:20:10 PM  
Seems reasonable. If you're a religious person, being banned from church is pretty cruel & unusual.
 
2009-10-10 03:27:29 PM  
Fixer: Second degree rape?

That sounds fine. As long as it wasn't rape rape


You said "rape" twice.
 
2009-10-10 03:27:42 PM  
EggFool: Why doesn't the filthy bugger just take a bus to a different church? Do they ALL have daycares?

Probably, yes, depending on how they define "daycare". Most churches have a church "nursery"--a place where the parents can take their little ones while they go listen to the sermon. A lot of churches have "Sunday school", which (it could be argued) is a form of preschool. And a lot of churches have "Mother's Day Out" programs. And a lot of churches have church-based preschools and/or schools.

If a church nursery or Sunday school counts as "daycare", then yes, almost all churches will have them.
 
2009-10-10 03:28:07 PM  
the term 'sex offender' is used way too liberally in law today. someone who runs down the street naked is now considered a sex offender
 
2009-10-10 03:33:41 PM  
This is pretty much why I'm living like a monk. I'm more and more afraid to even flirt with someone, for fear of not being her type and ending up in prison for it.

Because you know when a man is accused of sexual crimes, he's ALWAYS guilty. Even if the accusation was false or he's otherwise acquitted, he's still guilty for the rest of his life.
 
2009-10-10 03:34:45 PM  
smooshie: And for God's sake treat different sex offenses differently: Molesting a 4 year old shouldn't get you the same punishment as peeing outdoors.

Actually, we should simply execute anyone convicted of any form of sexual offense. This will shrink the pool of available men. if we do this long enough and broadly enough, we'll finally have a 'safe' society - one where men are a tiny minority who lack the courage to rebel or the creativity to even push the limits of acceptable behavior.

We'll have no more men, we'll have pets. Women, girls and their pet males. This will have the salutary affect of slowing down the population growth rate. As new boys develop into men, a large portion of them will be executed as are all pets that get beyond the age of being 'cute'. Maybe they'll be dumped in sewers or left out to starve, or 'liberated' into the wild, where they will eventually be culled by game wardens (women, of course) hunting from helicopters.
 
2009-10-10 03:35:50 PM  
EggFool: Why doesn't the filthy bugger just take a bus to a different church? Do they ALL have daycares?

Most do. If not a proper daycare center, weekend sunday schools are probably close enough for his parole/probation officer.

Secondly its SECOND degree rape. Which means its not first degree, which means its not like he jumped a woman and forced himself on her. Sounds more like he got crucified by the prosecution because of his past offense with another teen. He may like um a little to damn young but scamming naive teenagers and doing something to a child warrent different levels of disdain and resulting restriction.

So you either think all felons should be barred from daycares, churches, even local community colleges with youth programs(no case law for it but this will set it in motion that way). Or you have to admit the level of absurdity to this even if you personally don't like him and don't give a shiat if he dies tomorrow.

To paraphrase Larry Flint; If it protects a scumbag like him, it'll protect you.
 
2009-10-10 03:41:40 PM  
rubi_con_man: smooshie: And for God's sake treat different sex offenses differently: Molesting a 4 year old shouldn't get you the same punishment as peeing outdoors.

Actually, we should simply execute anyone convicted of any form of sexual offense. This will shrink the pool of available men. if we do this long enough and broadly enough, we'll finally have a 'safe' society - one where men are a tiny minority who lack the courage to rebel or the creativity to even push the limits of acceptable behavior.

We'll have no more men, we'll have pets. Women, girls and their pet males. This will have the salutary affect of slowing down the population growth rate. As new boys develop into men, a large portion of them will be executed as are all pets that get beyond the age of being 'cute'. Maybe they'll be dumped in sewers or left out to starve, or 'liberated' into the wild, where they will eventually be culled by game wardens (women, of course) hunting from helicopters.


Oh no you don't!!!

I refuse to live in a world where dirty minded men cannot push the limits of acceptable behavior!!! (especially with me in the room :)
 
2009-10-10 03:44:19 PM  
Solution. Obvious. Monastery.

Then he can exercise his religion without contacting any children!
 
2009-10-10 03:44:48 PM  
Does not approve of threads...
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2009-10-10 03:48:23 PM  
He should be able to come to any church as long as he "takes a seat over there".
 
2009-10-10 03:50:32 PM  
Damn Man: EggFool: Why doesn't the filthy bugger just take a bus to a different church? Do they ALL have daycares?

Most do. If not a proper daycare center, weekend sunday schools are probably close enough for his parole/probation officer.


Well there's a church program for shut-ins on television.

Secondly its SECOND degree rape. Which means its not first degree, which means its not like he jumped a woman and forced himself on her. Sounds more like he got crucified by the prosecution because of his past offense with another teen. He may like um a little to damn young but scamming naive teenagers and doing something to a child warrent different levels of disdain and resulting restriction.

Well if you know the story, then OK. If you're just guessing, sometimes people can be charged with a lesser offense when they really did something worse. What if they're 13? Gross.

So you either think all felons should be barred from daycares, churches, even local community colleges with youth programs(no case law for it but this will set it in motion that way). Or you have to admit the level of absurdity to this even if you personally don't like him and don't give a shiat if he dies tomorrow.


No, not all felons. I'm sure some felons are lovely people.

But I don't think a convicted sex offender should even have an option to sue to be allowed near children. If they don't like you, go find another church. The religious healing can't be feeling that great if the entire congregation hates your farking guts.
 
2009-10-10 03:51:25 PM  
One one hand, as mentioned, if the church has no problem of him attending, tehn what's teh big deal. MAYBE he is trying to be good.

On the other hand, LIFE AINT FAIR.
 
2009-10-10 03:56:48 PM  
Gwendolyn: His convictions are with teenage girls. He's not a pedophile why the fark is he barred from something with a daycare?

Because the law is only phrased to handle the most simple black and white situations. Nobody will ever apply common sense when the rule of law means you can completely ruin someone else's life over complete bullshiat.
 
2009-10-10 04:04:27 PM  
EggFool: Damn Man: EggFool:

Well if you know the story, then OK. If you're just guessing...

If they don't like you, go find another church. The religious healing can't be feeling that great if the entire congregation hates your farking guts.


Hypocrisy alert: now you seem to just be guessing. The article says nothing about the feelings of the congregation.
 
2009-10-10 04:08:22 PM  
triptrap: You lose a lot of constitutional rights when you are a convicted sex offender. Deal with it.

Rights are inalienable. The question is always what rights does the government recognize.
 
2009-10-10 04:17:56 PM  
You know, even though he's sick... I hope he wins.

This punishing sex offenders for their entire lives, forever branding them with a scarlet S is just retarded, unconstitutional, and unconscionable. For principle's sake I hope he wins and some of these life-long cruel and unusual punishments are done away with.
 
2009-10-10 04:21:39 PM  
Comment amusement right at the top...

blackknight
Why can't you better yourself? Because you are a sick pervert and it has been proven time and time again that there is no rehabilitation for a sex offender of minorities. If I were King for a day you would be castrated with a dull spoon and put in jail for life.


LOL
 
2009-10-10 04:27:16 PM  
Robert1966: EggFool: Damn Man: EggFool:

Well if you know the story, then OK. If you're just guessing...

If they don't like you, go find another church. The religious healing can't be feeling that great if the entire congregation hates your farking guts.

Hypocrisy alert: now you seem to just be guessing. The article says nothing about the feelings of the congregation.


Well, I don't know about "hypocrisy", but I see your point. But someone called the cops...
 
2009-10-10 04:42:18 PM  
jaylectricity: The clergy doesn't like the competition.

FAIL
 
2009-10-10 04:51:11 PM  
abb3w: [!]

This guy ended the thread.
That graphic and the link, says it all.
We are so farked.
 
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