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(Yahoo)   Revenue agents sieze 1,000 gallons of moonshine in North Carolina mountains, a development expected to cut the state's GDP in half this year   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 51
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2009-10-10 08:52:23 AM  
63-year-old Roger Lee Nance of Wilkesboro was arrested Wednesday on charges including possession of non-tax-paid liquor for the purpose of selling

Congratulations, Elliot Ness. I feel so much safer.
 
2009-10-10 09:14:25 AM  
Stories like this make my blood boil. I don't see why the government doesn't decriminalize alcohol and stop arresting and jailing people who possess or use it.

As I understand the argument, it would put the violent criminal underworld that profits from the illegal production and sale of alcohol out of business and once booze is legalized, it would lead to no abuse or adverse social consequences whatsoever. What could be safer than the completely natural products of a completely natural process such as fermentation?
 
2009-10-10 09:29:38 AM  
I don't know but I've been told you never come back from copperhead road.
 
2009-10-10 09:56:00 AM  
So, where are they keeping the 800 gallons of moonshine?
 
2009-10-10 10:25:39 AM  
BillCo: So, where are they keeping the 800 gallons of moonshine?

They probably have a basement or a warehouse somewhere that can easily hold the 700 gallons of barreled booze.
 
2009-10-10 10:25:42 AM  
BillCo: So, where are they keeping the 800 gallons of moonshine?

they're going to destroy the 200 gallons recovered during the raid.
 
2009-10-10 10:29:28 AM  
I think they should store it in charred oak barrels for a few years.
 
2009-10-10 10:29:47 AM  
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/hot... like the rod
 
2009-10-10 10:30:43 AM  
The estimated street value of the moonshine was $8.4 million dollars.
 
2009-10-10 10:30:48 AM  
I've been a moonshiner
for seventeen long years
and I spent all my money
on whiskey and beer
and I go to some hollow
and set up my still
if whiskey don't kill me
Lord, I don't know what will

and I go to some barroom
to drink with my friends
where the women they can't follow
to see what I spend
God bless them pretty women
I wish they was mine
with breath as sweet as
the dew on the vine

let me eat when I'm hungry
let me drink when I'm dry
two dollars when I'm hard up
religion when I die
the whole world is a bottle
and life is but a dram
when the bottle gets empty
Lord, it sure ain't worth a damn


Yep
 
2009-10-10 10:34:09 AM  
What happened to the other 71 gallons, Smitty?
 
2009-10-10 10:39:36 AM  
When Barney Fife gets back from the picture show with Thelma Lou, he's gonna be PISSED that someone beat him to the punch.
 
2009-10-10 10:42:51 AM  
The gubmint is only mad because they didn't get to tax it. They couldn't care less about safety or anything else...just the money.
 
2009-10-10 10:46:09 AM  
Weaver95: I don't know but I've been told you never come back from copperhead road.

Steve Earle doesn't get a lot of love on FARK for whatever reasons, but I like the cut of your jib sir.
 
2009-10-10 10:48:50 AM  
They've been all over the area lately. The pot seeking helos have been hovering lately looking for plants and now they're out looking for shine. NC is in a financial mess, they need the income from the fines.

A friend of mine was busted for having some pot plants on his land. No jail time, just a hefty fine IF he can't pay.
 
2009-10-10 10:52:54 AM  
Weaver95: BillCo: So, where are they keeping the 800 gallons of moonshine?

they're going to destroy the 200 gallons recovered during the raid.


I'm surprised that they're making such a big deal over 100 gallons of illegal hooch.
 
2009-10-10 10:55:56 AM  
40below: Stories like this make my blood boil. I don't see why the government doesn't decriminalize alcohol and stop arresting and jailing people who possess or use it.

No shiat.
Can we freaking end prohibition already?
/this is not a repeat from 1933
 
2009-10-10 10:56:47 AM  
Unimpressed:

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2009-10-10 11:00:43 AM  
40below: Stories like this make my blood boil. I don't see why the government doesn't decriminalize alcohol and stop arresting and jailing people who possess or use it.

As I understand the argument, it would put the violent criminal underworld that profits from the illegal production and sale of alcohol out of business and once booze is legalized, it would lead to no abuse or adverse social consequences whatsoever. What could be safer than the completely natural products of a completely natural process such as fermentation?


Have you ever tasted bad moonshine?

btw...booze in itself isn't illegal at all. However, producing and selling it without the gubmint taxing it is. I'm pretty sure there are legal moonshine distilleries out there...yep, here's one (new window)
 
2009-10-10 11:10:54 AM  
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Try this if you truly enjoy a good hangover. Not that dry mouth achy-headed stuff.. I'm talking crawling on your knees to drink from the toilet wish you were dead kind of pain. Good times.

Real moonshine is almost always distilled from sugar. I guess corn whiskey is a gentleman's drink in the deep South.
 
2009-10-10 11:18:28 AM  
ever dump a jar of cherries into a larger jar of moonshine and keep em there for a month or so?
MMMM...drunk cherries...
 
2009-10-10 11:22:09 AM  
they will most likely destroy it when they could run state vehicles on it in leu of a fine.
 
2009-10-10 11:26:09 AM  
40below: Stories like this make my blood boil. I don't see why the government doesn't decriminalize alcohol and stop arresting and jailing people who possess or use it.

As I understand the argument, it would put the violent criminal underworld that profits from the illegal production and sale of alcohol out of business and once booze is legalized, it would lead to no abuse or adverse social consequences whatsoever. What could be safer than the completely natural products of a completely natural process such as fermentation?


Awe shiat someone been drinking already
 
2009-10-10 11:36:43 AM  
There are two arguments against legalizing moonshine:

1) Taxes - surely some sort of stamp system could be developed to address this. The g'bment could still go after the tax evaders under this system.

2) The more important issue is the safety of the brew. Many moonshiners use lead-laced equipment to process their brew which leads to dangerous levels of lead in the final product. Also, many of them cut the brew with dangerous additives to increase the final yield. This is a much more serious issue and one not easy to deal with unless you implement some system of quality regulation. If you are going to go that far, one is already in place on a bigger scale for legal distilleries, so what is the point.

Illegal alcohol manufacture only LOOKS similar to marijuana production from the tax perspective, but is not at all similar from the safety perspective.

As someone who has made small quantities of shine in a previous life, I fully understand the second issue and how difficult it would be to police.
 
2009-10-10 11:39:55 AM  
Revenue agents sieze 1,000 gallons of moonshine in North Carolina mountains, a development expected to cut the state's GDP in half this year

and raise the state's average IQ.
 
2009-10-10 11:42:49 AM  
Sieze? Really?
 
2009-10-10 11:43:56 AM  
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Popcorn Sutton smiles down from on high..
RIP shine man
 
2009-10-10 11:51:42 AM  
flaming99: Many moonshiners use lead-laced equipment to process their brew which leads to dangerous levels of lead in the final product

If we cared about that, we'd stop importing things from China.
 
2009-10-10 11:53:36 AM  
As someone who has tried NC moonshine, I would suggest it be avoided.

Have made my own wine and beer. Results vary.

I'll stick to the stuff the pros legally sell.
 
2009-10-10 11:57:50 AM  
jehovahs witness protection: ever dump a jar of cherries into a larger jar of moonshine and keep em there for a month or so?
MMMM...drunk cherries...


omg do i know you? my cousin threw a party recently and my neighbor was there....with a bottle of moonshine and cherries.

it was glorious, glorious stuff. i blame it for my behavior that night.
 
2009-10-10 11:59:15 AM  
ahhh more of the "good works" of die Gestapo, er um I mean BATFE
 
2009-10-10 12:06:46 PM  
Moonshine is still pretty common...and not just in the south. It's like dogfighting is classed as a rural south thing yet alot of the busts are outside of the south and some are even located within the city. Moonshine is basically illegal because the makers have bypassed the revenue laws to avoid paying taxes. It's all about the money.

Some of these guys put out relatively small quantities of shine. They some for themselves and may give away or make minor sales to friends and neighbors to make a little extra spending money and maybe cover the costs of making the stuff. It's basically no different than home brewing beer.

The problem comes in when you produce something in bulk to make money. Whether it's pot, shine, or bootleg dvds once you take it to a production and distribution levels to make it profitable then you are bypassing the laws. It's basically scale of the operation and the profit side. These guys are out to make a buck and will often cut corners to increase profits.

/family has history with moonshine and alcoholism.
// has a great uncle that is blind from drinking bad shine.
///i just celebrated my 13th year of sobriety
 
2009-10-10 12:18:20 PM  
jehovahs witness protection: ever dump a jar of cherries into a larger jar of moonshine and keep em there for a month or so?
MMMM...drunk cherries...


yep....


always spared a little bit for a jar of cherries....
your not by any chance from Keller Texas are you?

my frinds and i would always drink shine with those jugs of juice that just said "punch" on the outside.....
 
2009-10-10 12:27:35 PM  
Bluestab - The problem comes in when you produce something in bulk to make money. Whether it's pot, shine, or bootleg dvds once you take it to a production and distribution levels to make it profitable then you are bypassing the laws. It's basically scale of the operation and the profit side. These guys are out to make a buck and will often cut corners to increase profits.



Very true, regarding the scale of the operation, when you upsize it things get complicated.

I'm more worried about them selling toxic moonshine that causes people to go blind or have other health issues. At least with clandestine crops like pot, you know at first glance if the pot is adulterated for weight, if it's full of lead, or generally if it's good or bad product. With moonshine you just have to trust your distiller and hope for the best, which sucks when they could be giving you something that can cause blindness.

/These hillbillies should just go get a bottle of cheap vodka instead, handles of Potters are like $5 around here
 
2009-10-10 12:39:29 PM  
It wasn't moonshine, it was ethanol that they "forgot" to add the poison that would make it undrinkable.
 
2009-10-10 12:47:19 PM  
40below: Stories like this make my blood boil. I don't see why the government doesn't decriminalize alcohol and stop arresting and jailing people who possess or use it.

As I understand the argument, it would put the violent criminal underworld that profits from the illegal production and sale of alcohol out of business and once booze is legalized, it would lead to no abuse or adverse social consequences whatsoever. What could be safer than the completely natural products of a completely natural process such as fermentation?


I think you're missing the hidden part of the message. "Revenue agents" is like "Tax collector", and we all know the gov wants their part in the sale of alcohol. I guarantee you this, they legalize marijuana and you will see the same thing. No homegrown for you, gotta buy the tax subsidized stuff.
 
2009-10-10 12:59:10 PM  
So that has a "street value" of like $1,000,000 right?
 
2009-10-10 01:07:05 PM  
I'm honestly surprised any of those agents lived long enough to report let alone arrest Nance. Looks like He annoyed some of his neighbors. Otherwise none of those revenue agents would have lived to find his warehouse. Hogs grow faster on tax collector meat, and every one of you fans of bacon have benefited from that fact.

/Beware of strong drink, it can make you shoot at revenuers...
//and miss.
 
2009-10-10 01:07:41 PM  
Nanan - So that has a "street value" of like $1,000,000 right?


1000 gallons of moonshine is probably something like $1.7 billion if you're calculating "street value."
 
2009-10-10 01:08:06 PM  
Bluestab: Moonshine is still pretty common...and not just in the south.

True, they bust moonshiners in Northern Wisconsin quite frequently. And they busted a cockfight in Madison not too long ago. Oddly enough, I don't feel any safer.

Congrats on the 13 years sober.

/Five years sober
 
2009-10-10 02:11:23 PM  
D_Evans45: I'm more worried about them selling toxic moonshine that causes people to go blind or have other health issues. At least with clandestine crops like pot, you know at first glance if the pot is adulterated for weight, if it's full of lead, or generally if it's good or bad product. With moonshine you just have to trust your distiller and hope for the best, which sucks when they could be giving you something that can cause blindness.

Yes, I'm sure nobody has ever added hazardous ingredients to pot. That's like unheard of, man.
 
2009-10-10 02:45:24 PM  
flaming99: The more important issue is the safety of the brew. Many moonshiners use lead-laced equipment to process their brew which leads to dangerous levels of lead in the final product.

They sell lead test kits at any Home Depot.

Not that I use them to test the moonshine I don't buy...
 
2009-10-10 03:05:46 PM  
Memoryalpha: I'm honestly surprised any of those agents lived long enough to report let alone arrest Nance. Looks like He annoyed some of his neighbors. Otherwise none of those revenue agents would have lived to find his warehouse. Hogs grow faster on tax collector meat, and every one of you fans of bacon have benefited from that fact.

/Beware of strong drink, it can make you shoot at revenuers...
//and miss.


Spoken like a true Southerner.
When I was in NC, my ex used to get shine from an old man in Durham. Damn!
 
2009-10-10 03:58:31 PM  
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essential listening
 
2009-10-10 05:12:03 PM  
mynameist - Yes, I'm sure nobody has ever added hazardous ingredients to pot. That's like unheard of, man.


Yet another myth about cannabis, that it's somehow cut with some type of cut substance to add weight, as if it's cocaine or methamphetamine.

Newsflash Noob: People who smoke cannabis with any sort of regularity notice white powder on their weed. Or brown powder. Or any other substance that isn't bright green.

Have you ever seen real marijuana? The real cannabis that isn't flooded with seeds? It's easy to spot something that isn't green, among a bunch of green, dumbass.

Also, dealers don't cut their weed with coke and such as D.A.R.E. would have you believe. Cocaine runs 3x as much per gram as weed, and the same goes for anything else you could try to cut weed with.

/Oh yeah, thats right, they cut marijuana with LSD nowadays
//STFU if you don't know what you're talking about, noob
 
2009-10-10 05:32:37 PM  
So from my estimate the price of a quart will have to go up about $0.0001 to cover the percentage loss for the year...

//loves apple pie
 
2009-10-10 06:11:45 PM  
Agency director John Ledford says it's one of the biggest mountain busts he can remember.

Unavailable for comment:
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2009-10-10 08:50:38 PM  
I'm wondering which has a greater loss of potential tax revenue for the government? Going after illegal moonshiners, or ignoring the countless illegal immigrants who don't file federal taxes?
 
2009-10-10 10:04:18 PM  
gjs_cds: countless illegal immigrants who don't file federal taxes?

Y'know, this is a strawman argument.

If they're getting paid on a W-2 (yes, using fake docs), the taxes are withheld, and if they don't file to claim the refund they're probably due, the government gets to KEEP THE MONEY.

The ones getting paid cash under the table aren't contributing, true, but the numbers, I think, are on the withhold/no refund side.
 
2009-10-11 12:10:26 PM  
D_Evans45: Also, dealers don't cut their weed with coke and such as D.A.R.E. would have you believe. Cocaine runs 3x as much per gram as weed, and the same goes for anything else you could try to cut weed with

I know almost nothing about drugs and that's the first thing I thought of. I'd be like someone mixing silver into an aluminum statue to make it weigh more. Even I know that's a ridiculous argument.
 
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