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(NewsMax)   Bush: 'When I take action I�m not going to fire a $2 million missile at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It�s going to be decisive.'   (newsmax.com) divider line 204
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2001-09-17 12:07:58 AM
It's about time we got a prez who can say things like that without worrying about offending somebody.
 
2001-09-17 12:08:00 AM
Give 'em hell George!
 
2001-09-17 12:09:10 AM
Once again, Newsmax is making stuff up. Bush isn't this witty if you give him a month's warning (and I've been listening to his speeches for six days now).

It would be nice if it really was him, though.
 
2001-09-17 12:17:58 AM
We should plant plastic explosives in the butts of camels. Then set them loose in the streets of Afghanistan and watch the sh1t fly.
 
2001-09-17 12:19:39 AM
Hmmm.....what's a two dollar million missle anyway? Is that one of those new hi-tech weapons we have?
 
2001-09-17 12:30:22 AM
A cruise missle cost aproximately two million dollars. Just count up the number of cruise missles the US has and you now see where a big chunk of the military budget goes.

More accurately, it costs the US two million dollars for each cruise missle they buy. It probably costs a few thousand for the company to make one.
 
2001-09-17 12:39:50 AM
Huh. Maybe crisis brings out the best in him.
 
2001-09-17 12:42:14 AM
I've been trying my ass off to substantiate this quote. I think I have to agree with Henchman and again note the low level of credibility inherent in every newsmax.com article.
 
2001-09-17 12:42:37 AM
Or maybe he's wasn't that bad to begin with.



Make's you wonder what Al Gore would have done in this situation.
 
2001-09-17 12:45:20 AM
It's quoted in a story in Newsweek. He also made a comment today that I won't even repeat here, a major, poor choice of words blunder. I'm really beginning to worry about some of the scenarios that are being discussed on the TV..."Vietnam, protracted ground war, years and years..". I just don't know if the U.S. of today is ready for something like that. Man, I hope they're wrong.
 
2001-09-17 12:51:34 AM
henchman:
Once again, Newsmax is making stuff up. Bush isn't this witty if you give him a month's warning (and I've been listening to his speeches for six days now).

It would be nice if it really was him, though.


Like him or not, he's supposed to be very witty behind the scenes. A problem for his political advisors has been getting him to be somewhat natural in front of the camera.
 
2001-09-17 12:51:38 AM
The reason they think this war will take years is because the terroist network they are going after operates in 60 different countries. Pakistan and Afganistan are only the first ones they are going after. Hopefully the rest will cooperate like Pakistan and things won't have to get too messy.
 
2001-09-17 12:59:00 AM
I found it really painful that he used the word 'crusade' today on the White House lawn.

That's exactly what Sad'em is trying to make us look like... a bunch of Dark Ages hordes sweeping over the middle east yet again.

All we want is to live our live out under a truly novel idea... 'life, liberty and the...'

Guess we gotta fight again for such things... bummer.
 
2001-09-17 01:00:59 AM
Cruise missiles?

Try neutron bombs. We can wipe out select areas and not worry about destroying any of their lovely buildings.
 
2001-09-17 01:18:50 AM
Cheeseburger: Oh, please do repeat it here. Poor choices of words are what us cynical-as-hell folks have come to expect.

Let's compare wars, shall we?
WWI, WWII: Our enemy was a country that was trying to expand geographically using standard armies-that is, battalions of infantry and armor, naval fleets, etc. Majorly wicked weaponry was invented in this time, and some truly insane enemy troopers encountered, but were still recognizable troopers. WAR was declared and ratified by Congress within the week of America's announcing its involvement. America kicked ass and took names, but at significant personal hardships and all-out war efforts.

Vietnam: Arguably the biggest cluster-goatfark in U.S. history. Fighting against guerrilla warfare by the Cong, in an area with a LONG history of warfare, a President acting only on Congressional carte blanche although without a war declaration and without the all-out homefront support that characterized the World Wars, and a country that divided against itself along moral lines, what soldiers that survived could expect a rude welcome home by peace protestors, and the U.S. had its ass handed to it.

This. Lessee.
Guerrilla warfare by suicide bombers, President acting on Congressional carte blanche but without declaration of war, in an area known to be in a CONSTANT state of war, a country divided and already beginning to worry more about sports and the stock market than this "war".
This bodes not well.
 
2001-09-17 01:20:31 AM
sorry if this is off subject, it's more general in nature:

Ifm watching footage of a Taliban rally in Afgh. or Pakistan and it makes me think of the KKK. These people are freakinf IGNORANT. By our standards, woefully undeducated and brainwashed by hate propoganda, kinda like the hateful rednecks in our own country.

Retaliation is inevitable. Though I generaly consider myself a pacifist, I accept this and nothing would make me happier than the image of bin Laden rotting in solitary (no light) for the rest of his life (brainstorm-maybe every week we can slip some really farking strong acid in his water. Should take about a month before hefs out of his mind. Well, he already isc.butc)

So we are going to attack, I can accept that as long as we attack intelligently. If you come across a hornetfs nest, do you whack it with a big stick, killing a few but sending most out very pissed off, causing MUCH WORSE DAMAGE than happened in the first place? OR, do you poison the nest, carefully taking them out one by one. What that poison is, Ifm not really sure, but the most effective way would be to turn the rest of the world against these morons, and I mean everyone. Fark Pakistan. If they harbour the Taliban in any way wefll make their life a living hell, and I donft mean rockets and bullets. Again, Ifm not sure how, but diplomacy must be foremost. We have to squeeze, firmly but gradually.

And remember, folks, Dubya didnft suddenly grow a brain. A lot of the people screaming for blood wouldnft follow Dubya into a movie theather two weeks ago, much less into war. We cannot do any single action out of revenge, but rather for justice. And if you don't know the difference between the two then God help us all.

This is not war, itfs more complicated than that. And true to form, dumb ol Dubya and his cabinet of thugs are big proponents of the Big Stick Theory, i.e. carpetbombing Afghanistan. Itfll just make it worse, so much more worse. Remember that the men responsible for bombing the WTC in 1993 were convicted, and this still happened.

And remember that folks in the Taliban donft view death the way we do in the West. They fear death in the same way we might fear bouncing a check or getting jaywalking ticket. Theyfd LOVE to die at the hands of a US Marine, bin Laden would think thatfs great. Think about Jesus Christ. The history of the Middle East is a long line of martyrs, and killing even one of these hornets will send out 50 more tocwhat? Los Angeles, Chicago (maybe take down the Sears tower), maybe nuclear capabilities.

We must strike back. I want to strike back. But the "how" is the trick. We gotta have patience. And we have to consider the future. PLEASE READ THIS ARTICE. It's a bit sobering, and very good:

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2001/09/14/afghanistan/index.html
 
2001-09-17 01:25:29 AM
I agree with Qwerty2.

People might have fantasies about blowing things up, but most of these actions will occur behind the scenes, long after people have put the flags back in the closet.

Then again, after all of the recent talk, the US might be compelled to put on a show for the folks at home.
 
2001-09-17 01:26:04 AM
Ah, thanks Cheeseburger. I found a different Fineman/Newsweek article and it didn't mention it.
 
2001-09-17 01:28:18 AM
Zeez: While I'm being a total cynical asshole up here...

yes, I have to admit. Behind the scenes, Bush is very witty. Just ask Adam Clymer.

This would be why he guards his words a lot more nowdays.
 
2001-09-17 01:28:58 AM
If/when we send troops in overseas and the aggression accelerates, we would be wise to watch our schools, banks, post offices, hospitals, etc in this country.

Scowcroft or Cheney or someone was explaining just how tentacled this whole terrorist network is. Bin-Laden funds factions that he has never been in contact with. They, as a whole, work towards a common goal, but do so independently.
Mercenaries willing, in fact eager to die for their cause.

They could wreak havoc in this country in a piecemeal fashion. We may never see some attacks coming. It will pay to be wary.
 
2001-09-17 01:35:01 AM
 
2001-09-17 01:35:31 AM
Ishidan: The - "This crusade...." choice of words that Fbsimon mentioned.

You're welcome, Chach.
 
2001-09-17 01:36:18 AM
Good God, don't even imagine what crap we'd be in with Al Snore in there. He'd have picked so many Woodstockians for his millitary staff that we'd have trouble even bombing a friggin' aspirin factory this time. Hearing that boob threaten anyone would be like watching a chihuahua barking at a tank.
 
2001-09-17 01:40:37 AM
Heh funny ashtray
 
2001-09-17 01:41:52 AM
Bush ROCKS!
 
2001-09-17 01:49:41 AM
does this simulator stop?
 
2001-09-17 01:55:18 AM
anybody notice that Iran is the most democratic country around Afghanistan?

why aren't we getting them to help us also?

and Bush will decisively hit a camel in the ass. If those camels are in Afghanistan.
 
2001-09-17 02:03:09 AM
cruise missiles cost between $500,000 and $1 million depending on the configuration. there was a big write up on them over at cnn.com the other day.
 
2001-09-17 02:08:11 AM
Cheeseburger: Ah, that was the one? Thanks.
That came up while I was writing my long post.
 
2001-09-17 02:17:10 AM
Ishidan: Thanks for that link. If Bush talked like that more often, I'd respect him a lot more.
 
2001-09-17 02:17:38 AM
you go Georgie......

tell it like it is, man.
 
2001-09-17 02:32:36 AM
Bush has much of the same team around him that kicked ass in Kuwait ten years ago. That's a comfort now, and a damn sight better than Captain Re-re-re-re-recount would have.
 
2001-09-17 02:49:32 AM
Zardoz: That article must have been written by a person who does not have the facts. The article says, "we'd have to go through Pakistan," untrue, Pakistan has already issued their support of the United States. Hell, Pakistan has even issued an ultimatum towards Afghanistan, in which they ordered Afghanistan to hand over Bin Laden or face millitary action. Like Colin Powell has said in a press conference days ago, "Pakistan is an ally of the United States."
 
2001-09-17 03:10:15 AM
The second seal has ben broken

reamber that rino last week that RED RED rino from last
Week read the bible
Revelation 6 3
Than the lamb broke open the
second seal;and I heard the second
living creature say, "COME" Another
horse(fore laged anamule including a rino)
came out,a red one.Its riderwas given the power
to bring war on the earth,so that men should kill
each other.he wasgiven a large sword.

The first seal was broken when that white bufalow was born
a wile back you should rember the one that has no spots
just white

The Revelation is based on the writings
of John servant of Christ of the further events
that was revealed to John by Christ
which John wroth down the description of what he saw
(believe that a man 2000 years ago would not under stand
our world of to day calling jets and tanks beats or demands
he even described the black hawk helicopter to the tee
And I also believe that Chris showed him births of animals
in stead of Dates in time for markers for when the seals
would be broken
Now can you tell what this is buy looking an it it has fore lags hovels it must be some king of hours that is what John
thought it was 2000 years ago)
 
2001-09-17 03:24:47 AM
Man, that Democrat and Republican unity didn't last long.
 
2001-09-17 03:32:51 AM
I will get flamed but here it goes anyway.
This is not the time to argue about petty shiat the Pres may have said, or not said. On that note it is not the time to wonder what Al Gore would do, or not do. This is a time, for all Americans, Rep and Dem, left and right, to quit our petty squabbles and unite. (that rhymed, cool..kinda like the Chewbacca defense)
 
2001-09-17 04:48:48 AM
Sailormoon, we might give your ramblings a bit more credence if:

--you knew how to spell, or at least had some semblance of sentence structure
--you didn't name yourself after a ditzy anime bimbo
and
--you didn't consider a horse and a rhino the same thing.

Or have I been trolled?

Littlefark: what is the Chewbacca defense?
 
2001-09-17 06:04:11 AM
What is the matter with you people? You only care when Americans are killed. That is quite obvious. A few weeks ago, you all hated George bush. Now you're all like "get behind the president! Viva Uncle Sam?"

Completely forgetting, I take it, what America has done to so enrage huge numbers of people the world over. And that fact that thanks partly to you guys, the whole world is being forced to pic a side in YOUR war!

Were you never taught critical thinking at school, or what? Don't you watch any channel but CNN? So easily manipulated. If I knew that about you, and I was the US governement, I'd have organised the attacks myself. Best way to ensure my rise in the popularity poles.

While I'm here, my sincere condolences, and I MEAN that, to all who lost family and their sense of security in the recent attacks. It's a terrible thing that happened.
 
2001-09-17 06:28:07 AM
CleverBlonde: What in the hell are you rambling about? You say, "You only care when Americans are killed. That is quite obvious." How is that obvious? You have no clue who I am, or what I care about. Please, take your hastily-formed opinions, roll them into a tight little ball, and stick them up your ass.

"And that fact that thanks partly to you guys, the whole world is being forced to pic a side in YOUR war!" Now, this part really pisses me off. It's not my war. I haven't done diddly-shiat to the persons responsible, nor have I done anything to piss off "huge numbers of people the world over." Your comments are better directed at members of the U.S. government rather than at those posting here. Take your grudge where it belongs. If you care, I don't fully trust the US government, either.

Why don't you let me know the next time you lose a family member, or someone else close to you. I'll give you a call and tell you how they should have seen it coming, how they did something to deserve it, how you don't care about anyone else. I think I can make up some bullshiat song and dance. More visibly affected by something that happens closer to home? I'll say you "only care when (people from your country) are killed. Just happen to share the same sentiments as the majority on some things? I'll tell you you're "easily manipulated."

My God, you suck. If I could put 20,000 people just like you into the same building, I'd fly a plane into it myself.
 
2001-09-17 06:29:25 AM
CleverBlonde,
Amen
I must confess that one of the first things I thought about (after the initial shock) was that story about an American president starting a war to get the attention away from internal problems (The tail that wags the dog), a tactic used by a lot of governments the world over in history.

Like the previous poster: My sincere condolences to all who lost family and/or dear friends. It was a terrible thing.
 
2001-09-17 06:32:14 AM
Bonobo,
I am quite sure CleverBlonde meant Americans in general (which I certainly did) and as for you not personally having done something like that: Your government did and that was elected by you (the American people), making you in the end responsible (yes, that is what democracy is all about).
 
2001-09-17 06:37:26 AM
Re your last comment: I'm sure your government will do it for you soon, so no need to bother. Perhaps voting for Ralph Nadar might be a good idea in future, though (those of you who don't bother to vote.)

As I said, you are reacting emotionally and without listening to any side properly. My sympathies are genuine. I was shocked and horrified by what happened. But I've been more shocked and horrified by Americans' reaction. Perhaps the information we're getting is wrong? Perhaps it's not true that most Americans would accept heavy casualties (in another country in exchange for retribution. Perhaps Fark.com and other sites would have change their whole focus if it had been Afgani citizens or Iraqis dying... hang on a second... that's already happened! And it's stayed okay to make jokes about A-rabs. Perhaps you're not behind Bush? But: ripping him off is certainly "not done" in this crowd anymore.

Apologies if you took it personally and if I offended you. I certainly don't condone that kind of behavious. And if I were given the option of making you slip on a banana peel, not being either the Taliban or the US Government, I would not do it. I wish you no harm.
 
2001-09-17 06:45:49 AM
Appie: thanks for understanding. I hope that Bonobosomethingthatsoundslikeanaeroplane realises that it wasn't a personal attack on those farkers, and there is a significant number, that are maintaining the openminded, questioning and even caring (in an EN kind of way) attitude that drew me here in the first place. After living and hating the propaganda forces in Apartheid South Africa, as well as forces in South Africa that make the new south africa look bad and destroy what it aimed to be, as a teenager and adult, I guess I'm oversensitive to blind loyalty of any kind. I think it's dangerous. I fear many aspects of "patriotism"

You might find this interesting. Apologies - very long!

By Tamim Ansary, Afgan-American writer


I've been hearing a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone

Age." Ronn Owens, on KGO Talk Radio today, allowed that this would mean

killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do with this atrocity,

but "we're at war, we have to accept collateral damage. What else can we

do?" Minutes later I heard some TV pundit discussing whether we "have the

belly to do what must be done."


And I thought about the issues being raised especially hard because I am

from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for 35 years I've never

lost track of what's going on there. So I want to tell anyone who will

listen how it all looks from where I'm standing.


I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. There is no doubt

in my mind that these people were responsible for the atrocity in New York.

I agree that something must be done about those monsters.


But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan. They're not even the

government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a cult of ignorant psychotics

who took over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin Laden is a political criminal with a

plan. When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think Bin Laden, think

Hitler. And when you think "the people of Afghanistan" think "the Jews in

the concentration camps." It's not only that the Afghan people had nothing

to do with this atrocity. They were the first victims of the perpetrators.

They would exult if someone would come in there, take out the Taliban and

clear out the rats nest of international thugs holed up in their country.


Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban? The

answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt, incapacitated, suffering. A

few years ago, the United Nations estimated that there are 500,000 disabled

orphans in Afghanistan--a country with no economy, no food. There are

millions of widows. And the Taliban has been burying these widows alive in

mass graves. The soil is littered with land mines, the farms were all

destroyed by the Soviets. These are a few of the reasons why the Afghan

people have not overthrown the Taliban.


We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age.

Trouble is, that's been done. The Soviets took care of it already. Make the

Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level their houses? Done. Turn

their schools into piles of rubble? Done. Eradicate their hospitals? Done.

Destroy their infrastructure? Cut them off from medicine and health care?

Too late. Someone already did all that.


New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs. Would they at least

get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the Taliban eat,

only they have the means to move around. They'd slip away and hide. Maybe

the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans, they don't move too

fast, they don't even have wheelchairs. But flying over Kabul and dropping

bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the criminals who did this

horrific thing. Actually it would only be making common cause with the

Taliban--by raping once again the people they've been raping all this time


So what else is there? What can be done, then? Let me now speak with true

fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in there with

ground troops. When people speak of "having the belly to do what needs to be

done" they're thinking in terms of having the belly to kill as many as

needed. Having the belly to overcome any moral qualms about killing

innocent people. Let's pull our heads out of the sand. What's actually on

the table is Americans dying. And not just because some Americans would die

fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin Laden's hideout. It's much

bigger than that folks. Because to get any troops to Afghanistan, we'd have

to go through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not likely. The conquest of

Pakistan would have to be first. Will other Muslim nations just stand by?

You see where I'm going. We're flirting with a world war between Islam and

the West.


And guess what: that's Bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he wants.

That's why he did this. Read his speeches and statements. It's all right

there. He really believes Islam would beat the west. It might seem

ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the world into Islam and the

West, he's got a billion soldiers. If the west wreaks a holocaust in those

lands, that's a billion people with nothing left to lose, that's even better

from Bin Laden's point of view. He's probably wrong, in the end the west

would win, whatever that would mean, but the war would last for years and

millions would die, not just theirs but ours. Who has the belly for that?

Bin Laden does. Anyone else?


Tamim Ansary
 
2001-09-17 06:55:09 AM
CleverBlonde, it's obvious that you really don't understand the American people. You're right, up until Tuesday morning a lot of people WERE against Bush, Republicans & Democrats DO snipe at each other, it's part of being an American, the ability to think for yourself and form your own opinions, or if you wish, let someone do it for you.

But for all our differences, one thing we are great at, is coming together in the wake of tragedy. Sure it's horrible that it take's something like this to galvanize the American people, but when our collective mind is set to something, rest assured it will be done.

You ask if we are aware of what America has done to provoke such an action, I would ask you to look closer to home. South Africa under apartheid made no secret of it's support for Israel, and were in fact partners with the Israeli government in the development of nuclear weapons. I realize that SA likes to forgot that little part, and to their credit dismantled the devices, but what's done is done, and it seems a bit shameful to place so much blame on the US without accepting your own.

3Hon
 
2001-09-17 06:57:03 AM
Of course we are going to unite behind our elected official when our homes and jobs and loved ones have been attacked. He is the only one we have to unite behind. How farking stupid would we be to sit here and criticize dubya when he is making fairly good moves as of right now in this very trying time?

And yes we (and I cringe to use the word we when referring to our government), but WE have made mistakes and caused some discontent in other societies that perhaps contribute to this thing that has happened. But our intentions were not to do intentional harm to those people. And killing 5000 american civilians hardly seems 'justified' I dont care what mistakes we have made in the past.

Where the hell are you from anyway?

And as far as the whole world having to pick a side... Bin Ladin has been bombing things all across the free world and declared war on many many nations not just us. Perhaps they might htink they want this threat stopped on their own free will not because the big bad americans 'forced' them to?
 
2001-09-17 06:58:34 AM
Hear Hear, CleverBlonde!

Many of us need to take a break from our symbols and our songs and our thirst for revenge to consider the true depth of why this has happened and what to do about it.

The anger that the nation is feeling right now is totally understandable, and don't think that I wasn't deeply angered and moved to tears myself, but we must remain rational. So many people have become so defensive of the American way and Christian values that they are completely oblivious to the message that is trying to be sent. Horrible and uncalled for as Tuesday's events were, it's time that many consider that there may be a flaw here and there with our beloved American way.

I am also a slightly concerned for the nation's eagerness for war, because I can't believe that this will be like any war in recent history. I can't believe that if strikes are made in other parts of the world that further strikes won't take place here. I can't believe that this will be another war where all we see of it is what the major news networks show us from thousands of miles away. This war could very well be the end of America as any of us has ever known it.

I wish to again point out how angered I am and the sadness I feel for the families of those lost in all of the attacks on Tuesday. I would like to join the many others, however, that are calling for the nation to avoid anything but the most rational and well thought out response that will minimize any further life loss, not only in America, but in all parts of the world.
 
2001-09-17 07:00:44 AM
Why do I suspect that that last post was a hoax?
 
2001-09-17 07:06:45 AM
Could someone PLEASE hack this site... These right wing nuts are as divisive as left wing nuts... They keep playing the "Us and Them" game, attempting to utilize an American Tragedy to propel their political agenda to get their "Accepted" puppets elected. They are no better than the stupid Pacifist peace-niks.
What idiots.
 
2001-09-17 07:17:58 AM
Well, I was just going to apologize for responding to the troll, when CleverBlonde made a good point or three. Yes, I'm a little raw right now - I just got back from a 2-day funeral for 5000 people.

CB: I'm not all that big on blind loyalty myself. I've never been behind any president 100%, and Junior is no exception. I do like his style, however. The guy's not afraid to show his human side. What I *am* sick of are the seemingly endless stream of insensitive "you brought this on yourself" comments (oh, yeah. And that article you just posted. Spam du Jour). Don't get me wrong, you're not the only one. Personally, I don't get that attitude. I had a friend die in a car accident. I didn't go to his family and tell them, "Well, you bought him an MG. Maybe you should have bought him a Cadillac." It never even crossed my mind. Maybe it's just easier for you - you don't know these people, and they're on another continent entirely (and you like to say *we* only care when our people are killed?).
 
2001-09-17 07:45:05 AM
What a bunch of girls you lot are. What's wrong with using several thousand nuclear weapons to knock the whole Earth of it's axis? That'll show them.
 
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