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(LA Times)   9 out of 10 zebras agree that the zebras at the zoo in the Gaza Strip are total asses   (latimes.com) divider line 67
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2009-10-09 01:32:30 AM  
Gee, they lie about shiat.

I'da never guessed.
 
2009-10-09 01:53:37 AM  
Riffington: RealFarknMcCoy2: Riffington: Mainrodax: Riffington: Mainrodax:
/Waiting for Tatsuma to argue that zebras threaten the safety of Israel.
Well, it's not like the asked Israel for permission to bring in a zebra and got turned down. They just didn't want to buy a zebra, and found it makes good advertising to blame Israel.

Like they should even have to ask in the first place?

I couldn't import a zebra into the US without getting the government's permission.

Israel's not meant to be their government - remember?

Look, if this is about the fact that Israel controls Gaza, go to a different thread. This one's about zebras. If this is about the fact that Israel wants to inspect the livestock, medicines, etc that enter it... well, every 1st world country does that.


Israel unilaterally disengaged from Gaza in 2005, claiming it was no longer the Occupying Power there. The international community, citing Israel's continued effective control over the area, continues to regard it as an Occupying Power.[5]
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Gaza Strip.

Not yours.
 
2009-10-09 02:11:27 AM  
www.lewrockwell.com

Getting a kick out of this article....
 
2009-10-09 02:13:39 AM  
Riffington: RealFarknMcCoy2: Riffington: Mainrodax: Riffington: Mainrodax:
/Waiting for Tatsuma to argue that zebras threaten the safety of Israel.
Well, it's not like the asked Israel for permission to bring in a zebra and got turned down. They just didn't want to buy a zebra, and found it makes good advertising to blame Israel.

Like they should even have to ask in the first place?

I couldn't import a zebra into the US without getting the government's permission.

Israel's not meant to be their government - remember?

Look, if this is about the fact that Israel controls Gaza, go to a different thread. This one's about zebras. If this is about the fact that Israel wants to inspect the livestock, medicines, etc that enter it... well, every 1st world country does that. It's a public health issue. Hamas wouldn't know how to examine a zebra and make sure it isn't bringing in diseases. Maybe one day it will. Not today.


That's funny - Australia doesn't insist on inspecting all the livestock going to New Zealand...
 
2009-10-09 02:27:09 AM  
New Zealand is a country.
also Israel would sell the Zoo a zebra if it wanted one. It's just cheaper not to bother
 
2009-10-09 03:06:35 AM  
Last I checked, Israel was sending tens of thousands of tons of humanitarian aid into Azza each months, so I'm unclear on how this is a "near-absolute" embargo.

I'm also unclear as to how Israel is walling in Azza when Egypt shares a border with it but refuses to open it (or send aid, for that matter)

Why don't I ever see complaints about Egypt?

Also, those Zebras likely died from explosives installed by Hamas, not starvation. You know, since Hamas rigged their cages to explode during operation Cast Lead. Possibly starvation due to the fact no one could enter the cages for a month without blowing up as well.

Still, death to facts and Israel!
 
2009-10-09 03:21:17 AM  
Tatsuma: Why don't I ever see complaints about Egypt?

If the leader of Egypt was named Herschel and not Hosni.....
 
2009-10-09 03:24:46 AM  
Tatsuma: Last I checked, Israel was sending tens of thousands of tons of humanitarian aid into Azza each months, so I'm unclear on how this is a "near-absolute" embargo.
What tens of thousands of tons of humanitarian aid? Prove it. As for the embargo don't take my word for it, according to the U.N.:"According to the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA), the entry of essential goods and services, including materials for reconstruction, spare parts for water and sanitation projects, as well as industrial and agricultural materials remain either restricted or banned outright."
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and as a result:
"Earlier this week, UNRWA reported that the two-year-long Israeli blockade of Gaza continued to cause severe deprivation to its population of some 1.5 million, with unprecedented unemployment rates soaring to around 40 per cent."
Link
Here are the facts to back up my claims.
Nice attempt at a strawman, but who said anything about death to Israel? If wrongdoing is happening, you should be angry about it too. As for Egypt, Israel is guilty of spearheading the blockade, you're right, Egypt is just as guilty for being complicit in it.
 
2009-10-09 04:06:38 AM  
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Hamas+war+against+Israel/ Increased_humanitarian_aid_Gaza_after_IDF_operation_Jan_2009.htm

About 50,000-60,000 tons of aid a month.

Not quite the near absolute blockades of olde.
 
trb
2009-10-09 06:59:34 AM  
The zebras starved because the Palestinians booby-trapped the zoo with bombs, and so people were afraid to get near the zoo to feed the animals. Go blame it on the Jews.
 
2009-10-09 08:39:44 AM  
Tatsuma: Why don't I ever see complaints about Egypt?


Why should Egypt be drawn into a problem of your creation?
 
2009-10-09 08:48:53 AM  
i485.photobucket.com
/what real Zebra might look like
 
2009-10-09 11:42:18 AM  
Tatsuma: Why don't I ever see complaints about Egypt?

Sheesh Tatsuma, I know you are smarter than that........ Egypt is not full of jews!

Jews, amost as bad as the dirty libs, Right?
 
2009-10-09 12:24:21 PM  
Mainrodax:
and as a result:
"Earlier this week, UNRWA reported that the two-year-long Israeli blockade of Gaza continued to cause severe deprivation to its population of some 1.5 million, with unprecedented unemployment rates soaring to around 40 per cent."
Link


Not to be a dick, but unemployment is not exactly a humanitarian crisis. It may leave to one due to no one having money to buy food, but it is not a crisis. The problem is too much of the money that flows into and out of Gaza is spent on arms instead of food.

The real question is how would you fix the problem of having a huge Arab ghetto? Arab countries will not accept them as citizens, as they prefer the public relations issue that Israel has with them. Israel won't take them, because letting thousands of terrorists into your country is a very bad idea. There have been numerous attempts at land for peace deals, which both sides have screwed up.
 
2009-10-09 03:19:13 PM  
DID SOMEONE SAY ZEBRA?

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2009-10-09 05:30:28 PM  
EMCGuy: Mainrodax:
and as a result:
"Earlier this week, UNRWA reported that the two-year-long Israeli blockade of Gaza continued to cause severe deprivation to its population of some 1.5 million, with unprecedented unemployment rates soaring to around 40 per cent."
Link


Not to be a dick, but unemployment is not exactly a humanitarian crisis. It may leave to one due to no one having money to buy food, but it is not a crisis. The problem is too much of the money that flows into and out of Gaza is spent on arms instead of food.

The real question is how would you fix the problem of having a huge Arab ghetto? Arab countries will not accept them as citizens, as they prefer the public relations issue that Israel has with them. Israel won't take them, because letting thousands of terrorists into your country is a very bad idea. There have been numerous attempts at land for peace deals, which both sides have screwed up.


Unemployment actually *is* a crisis. Or perhaps not so much a crisis as a mix of dried wood and rubbing alcohol awaiting a spark to become a blaze of humanitarian crisis. People with nothing else to keep them busy and no income to keep them fed are a fight waiting to happen.

Palestine (oh excuse me, "the occupied territories full of PalestiniansArabs") has essentially been one big lawless zone of black markets, gangs, and hooligans for decades. Try to imagine Detroit with more guns and a more ham-fisted attempt at containing it. Rising to power is nearly impossible, anyone who does is either stomped by the IDF, dragged down by his rivals, or seen as a traitor for making deals with the west. Jobs are controlled by the people in power, the people in power tend to make more hay off of endless war than anything else, and on, and on, and on.

I could go on all day about the effects of Iran stirring up shiat, of how a taxi driver will move rocket parts because he's afraid of getting killed/robbed and needs to feed his family, of how everyone who has made deals with Israel has also been corrupt as the day is long, how people in general are stupid, how Guiliani-style street fascism WORKS but requires investments no one has been willing to make, how the Milgram Experiment relates to those who assist terrorist attacks, or a million other things.

But I'm lazy, and I doubt anyone cares.
 
2009-10-09 07:53:19 PM  
ohnonotfloridaagain: Do they have these too?

OMG, Ihavetohave the little one on the bottom left who's about to settle in for a good chew on his little toesie woesies. What the hell are those, someone's nightmare captured in Photoshop or is that an actual animal? Not that I care, I still have to have that cute one.

But that's not what I came to the thread to say and I shall not allow the cuteness to sidetrack me. I'm an Israeli (also) and politically to the left of center, very much in favor of Palestinian statehood, and have worked in the past with several well-known liberal Israeli politicians. And I want to say that once in a while these kind of articles cut through the static and irritate the fark out me, because I know that the last thing on earth that is a problem for the Palestinians is money. No group gets more financial aid allocated than they do, and no group can call on even more funds than have already been funneled to them. The problem is that no matter how much oversight is set up - and I have been present at countless meetings that have worked through countless nights setting up such oversight - the money unfortunately does not get to the people it's supposed to help.

It's one thing if the Bargouthi family can't scrape up $40,000 to bring a couple of zebras through some tunnels to entertain the children, and that claim in itself is a scenario that would set some people who know some things about the Bargouthi family - who, the last I heard, are not exactly declaring bankruptcy - into gales of laughter.

What's a lot less funny is that there are old men and women, and children, and babies, and just plain regular folks of all ages, who go without medication, or medical devices, or therapy, or help in their homes for disabled family members, or a whole list of other things they desperately need, because the funds they are supposed to receive - which have been sent to them - have been diverted by their leaders. First Mr. Arafat, who squirreled millions away in Switzerland, now Hamas, which spends it on explosives and guns instead of wheelchairs and diabetes testing meters and all the other things it should be spent on. Such as whatever it takes to bring actual zebras to the dear little zebra-deprived yoots, even though those painted asses don't look half-bad.

I'm sorry to rant but once in a while I see something that just breaks through the credibility barrier so insanely that I can't let it go by without commenting. The statement that man made is just ridiculous to anyone who understands the context. I don't know if this is a private enterprise or if they are supposed to receive public funds for it. If it's private, then frankly, like anything else, it's a question of pouring enough money on it, and money is not a problem for that family. If they wanted a zebra, they'd have a zebra. But they want headlines, so they have headlines.
 
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