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(Canoe)   Forget draft-dodging or affairs: In India, to slur a political opponent, claim he eats beef   (cnews.canoe.ca) divider line 74
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2003-03-14 09:22:19 PM  
If you really wanted to know, the ancient Indo Europeans (Aryans) were cow -herders who depended on cows for their sustenance, including beef, which is why they kept elevating them in importance, eventually deifying them. When they invaded India, they settled down and adapted the farming lifestyle of the original inhabitants, and stopped eating cows, but kept worshipping them.

class is dismissed
 
2003-03-14 09:37:22 PM  
class is back in session:

the reason the status of cows was elevated was so that the people wouldn't eat them during intense droughts, since although they would temporarily relieve hunger, they would ruin their agricultural based society. If they ate the cows, the next year, when it came time to sow the fields, they wouldn't have the cows for plowing, they wouldn't have the milk.
 
2003-03-14 09:38:47 PM  
Azurenut: But the ritual sacrifice and consumption of beef is an important part of the Vedic tradition. Too bad modern Hinduism knows nothing of its roots. (By "modern hinduism" I mean Bhakti.)
 
2003-03-14 10:00:32 PM  
03-14-03 07:44:38 PM SurgeonDryHog
FarkinConstrictor: what is your website? Dreamscape soft herpe verse dot com?

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Victor.
 
2003-03-14 10:00:40 PM  
Ogantai
Of course it was, and that's implicit in that theory. What I'm saying is that the cause of the shift from consuming beef was a deliberate response to their experience with having consumed the cattle during droughts.

Unfortunately, no modern religion has an understanding of its roots. Look at modern Christianity/Islam/Judaism and the ignorance of what the original Yahwists, especially J, were saying.
 
2003-03-14 10:13:28 PM  
Azurenut: Sorry if I came off a little confrontational, I wasn't disagreeing with you. It just pisses me off the BJP runs as being the party of "Hindu Tradition", when I doubt that those pagaltva have ever read even an Upanishad.
 
2003-03-14 10:15:20 PM  
One time my grandmother had an Indian family over for dinner, and she cooked them beef casserole. When they asked what it was she told them it was pork. My grandma is kinda evil.
 
2003-03-14 10:16:11 PM  
Mmmmmmmm. Beeeeeff. Sacrelicious...
 
2003-03-14 10:21:21 PM  
Indian cow worship probably came about because horses weren't that common in ancient India, and so they used elephants and cows for all their pack animals. They even have a god with an elephant's head called Ganesh and I'm pretty sure there's a god with a cow's head too, but you won't find any Hindu god with a horse's head.
 
2003-03-14 10:36:57 PM  
Ogantai
no need for an apology, I didn't take it like that at all. Just impressed with your knowledge & perspective and wanted to continue discussion.

Bbcrackmonkey
Your grammy is an arse.
 
2003-03-14 10:42:14 PM  
Ooooohhh. I thought they worshiped cows for the 'shrooms that grew out of their poop. I stand corrected.
 
2003-03-14 10:56:18 PM  
So, It'd be really stupid to say I F*cked your mother.
 
2003-03-14 11:02:40 PM  
BTW, they do know it's an animal, right???

//Whackos
 
2003-03-14 11:16:36 PM  
Azurenut: sanskRtam vacchasi?
 
2003-03-14 11:18:17 PM  
Homerjay: No, it's the jews who like those. (Read Exodus for a description of the "mana from heaven", sounds a lot like psycolbilin shrooms, eh?) Hindus prefer Amrita Muscaria, the same ones Jesus was high on.
 
2003-03-15 01:08:29 AM  
 
2003-03-15 01:51:50 AM  
"They're different from us so they must be morons!"

/typical Farker
 
2003-03-15 02:12:44 AM  
Well, the Hindus say we shouldn't eat beef, and the Muslims say we shouldn't eat pork. I guess my cannibalism habit won't offend them.
 
2003-03-15 02:35:51 AM  
Fod God's sake people, it's SPRING BREAK. I'm not supposed to be learning!

*runs off screaming*
 
2003-03-15 03:20:39 AM  
re: intelligent religious commentary

Perspective check:
Okay, so the cow is sacred in India, and Amerikans call it stupid. So Amerika is proving its collective wit by taking to heart and soul (and flame-warring/ostracising/vandalising/killing) over a book written 2000 years ago by a bunch of random Palestinians.
Would anyone read a book now written by a bunch of random Palestinians, nonetheless swear it was deity-sent?

<chickjoke>
...besides baptists.
</chickjoke>
 
2003-03-15 04:12:51 AM  

03-14-03 10:21:21 PM Bbcrackmonkey
Indian cow worship probably came about because horses weren't that common in ancient India, and so they used elephants and cows for all their pack animals. They even have a god with an elephant's head called Ganesh and I'm pretty sure there's a god with a cow's head too, but you won't find any Hindu god with a horse's head.

Pretty much the whole animal kingdom can be found doing something or other in the Hindu religion. Buddhism comes from Hinduism and with it came the concepts of Karma (reaction for one's deeds) and Ahimsa (non-cruelty, especially to animals). Yes there is a Avatar with a horse's head. Hayagriva

Yaks (up north), donkeys, and bullocks (cow and water buffalo) are more common pack animals than horses. Horses were expensive, required a lot of care, and were reserved for royalty, the military, and the rich.

Indian cows are distant bovine relatives of western cows which were bred for meat. They're called Zebus. Western cows cannot survive the heat in India. The British brought zebus (and Indians) all over their Empire.
 
2003-03-15 01:53:01 PM  
OK, I'm an Indian, born a Hindu (but an atheist.)

I'd like to clarify that the cow is sacred only in Northern India, which fits the theory that it's an Aryan belief. In South India, beef is consumed and enjoyed. I live in a city called Bangalore (called the Silicon Valley of India) and local steak houses do good business.

South Indians aren't Aryans, they're Dravidians. Dravidians are the original inhabitants of India, driven down south by Aryan settlers many moons ago.

Heck, India is a very diverse place, each state (29 in all) having its own distinct culture, customs, and cuisine.
 
2003-03-15 02:37:38 PM  
I agree with 'Themadman', i've been to India .. each of the 29 states has it's own unique culture and language. Hell!! once you cross state borders there you, would think you entered a new country. Very diverse culture and in a good way.. it's amazing how they hold it all together.
 
2003-03-15 06:36:51 PM  
I'm just like themadman. I'm indian, but I'm from the north. My parents are don't eat beef. And neither do I. It's not like I care or anything but more of a sign of respect to them, living with them and all.
 
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