jso2897: I spent many years of my working life in the jewelry trade. At one time, I even had a retail outlet, in a small community in the Santa Monica Mountains.
Our showroom was lovely - nicely appointed, and filled with glass cases displaying our best work, presented in such a manner that it's beauty was augmented to the greatest posible degree. It presented a very appealing image.
One day, a nicely dressed fellow walked in, and after surveying the contents of the cases, asked to see a very expensive and valuable piece of which I was especially proud. Complimenting him on his good taste, I opened the case (acting, I must stress, ENTIRELY of my own free will, and under no duress), took out the peice and handed it to him.
But, much to my surprise and dismay, he snatched it from my hand, ran out of the store to a waiting motorcycle, and sped away - never to be seen again.
But I'm not complaining. He was utterly within his rights, since I was so totally asking for it.

If you didn't have a buzzer-lock on the door?
Yep, your own fault. You were asking for it.

/protect your shiat.

Bathia_Mapes: Yogimus: hey don't dress like a whore, and maybe you won't be treated like a whore. Rapists often use alcohol to make their victims more pliable. Why the fark do you think "Boone's Farm" is still in business? If you don't want to get raped, don't put yourself in that situation.

Yeah, I guess you're right. This 8-day old baby was just slutting around in her skin tight diaper & sleeper and daddy just couldn't resist.

And what could the adults in the situation done to prevent it?

/Namely not let that piece of shiat into the house in the first place.
//Your way is better. do nothing, and cry over the results. Expect the rapist to behave.

Yogimus: Bathia_Mapes: Yogimus: hey don't dress like a whore, and maybe you won't be treated like a whore. Rapists often use alcohol to make their victims more pliable. Why the fark do you think "Boone's Farm" is still in business? If you don't want to get raped, don't put yourself in that situation.

Yeah, I guess you're right. This 8-day old baby was just slutting around in her skin tight diaper & sleeper and daddy just couldn't resist.

And what could the adults in the situation done to prevent it?

/Namely not let that piece of shiat into the house in the first place.
//Your way is better. do nothing, and cry over the results. Expect the rapist to behave.

There's a world of difference between "doing nothing" and holding criminals responsible for what they do. In many instances, crime victims do dumbass things--they go to bad neighborhoods, drunk/stoned and looking for "recreation"--to score drugs, etc. Does this mean they should have done the dumb thing? No. But does it mean their attacker was less culpable? No.

ciocia: Yogimus: Bathia_Mapes: Yogimus: hey don't dress like a whore, and maybe you won't be treated like a whore. Rapists often use alcohol to make their victims more pliable. Why the fark do you think "Boone's Farm" is still in business? If you don't want to get raped, don't put yourself in that situation.

Yeah, I guess you're right. This 8-day old baby was just slutting around in her skin tight diaper & sleeper and daddy just couldn't resist.

And what could the adults in the situation done to prevent it?

/Namely not let that piece of shiat into the house in the first place.
//Your way is better. do nothing, and cry over the results. Expect the rapist to behave.

There's a world of difference between "doing nothing" and holding criminals responsible for what they do. In many instances, crime victims do dumbass things--they go to bad neighborhoods, drunk/stoned and looking for "recreation"--to score drugs, etc. Does this mean they should have done the dumb thing? No. But does it mean their attacker was less culpable? No.

So we are in agreement.

ciocia: Yogimus>b: hey don't dress like a whore, and maybe you won't be treated like a whore.

We don't agree on this one. Guys who want a "whore" will buy one, or find a woman who is agreeable to have sex with them. Rapists are rapists, and find unwilling victims--don't confuse them.

I'm sick of these stupid rape threads where the victim is to blame. There are no other category of crime that blames the victim like this.

Yes, there are several.

Fraud. /too stupid
Theft. /shouldn't have left it in the car
Assault. /Should have shut up

in fact, rape is the only crime I can think of where it is taboo to assign responsibility to the victim. If you accept that the victim shares no responsibility, you must also accept that the victim can do nothing to prevent it.

/Correction: Domestic violence is the other

ciocia: Yogimus>b: hey don't dress like a whore, and maybe you won't be treated like a whore.

We don't agree on this one. Guys who want a "whore" will buy one, or find a woman who is agreeable to have sex with them. Rapists are rapists, and find unwilling victims--don't confuse them.

I'm sick of these stupid rape threads where the victim is to blame. There are no other category of crime that blames the victim like this.

Well, conversly, there is no other category of "crime" where no actual crime was comitted but the allegations of said - let alone arrests and/or convictions for said based entirely on one person's account absent any evidence whatsoever routinely ruin the lives of people who've done nothing wrong other than have sex with a mentally (let alone morally) unstable woman.

When someone is beaten up, robbed, burglarized, etc there's evidence.

With entirely too many sexual assault cases all that there is is one person's account of events often fueled by regret, shame, anger, etc.

Just look at the Hofstra case from a FEW WEEKS ago.

5 guys could have gone to prison for a LONG TIME merely because some ho who let them run a train on her lied and told her BF she was "raped" when he noticed the quart of cum leaking out of her . . . .

Every time a case like that hits the wires (and the lying woman goes unpunished as, indeed, occured here) how many acusations of bonafide rape will be dismsed, doubted, or not investigated?

Close to half of rape allegations are proven false.

Not "not enough evidence to press charges" but PROVEN FALSE.

So, yeah, when you cry about the "victim being blamed" nearly half of the time THERE WAS NO "VICTIM."

Oh_Enough_Already: ciocia: Yogimus>b: hey don't dress like a whore, and maybe you won't be treated like a whore.

We don't agree on this one. Guys who want a "whore" will buy one, or find a woman who is agreeable to have sex with them. Rapists are rapists, and find unwilling victims--don't confuse them.

I'm sick of these stupid rape threads where the victim is to blame. There are no other category of crime that blames the victim like this.

Well, conversly, there is no other category of "crime" where no actual crime was comitted but the allegations of said - let alone arrests and/or convictions for said based entirely on one person's account absent any evidence whatsoever routinely ruin the lives of people who've done nothing wrong other than have sex with a mentally (let alone morally) unstable woman.

When someone is beaten up, robbed, burglarized, etc there's evidence.

With entirely too many sexual assault cases all that there is is one person's account of events often fueled by regret, shame, anger, etc.

Just look at the Hofstra case from a FEW WEEKS ago.

5 guys could have gone to prison for a LONG TIME merely because some ho who let them run a train on her lied and told her BF she was "raped" when he noticed the quart of cum leaking out of her . . . .

Every time a case like that hits the wires (and the lying woman goes unpunished as, indeed, occured here) how many acusations of bonafide rape will be dismsed, doubted, or not investigated?

Close to half of rape allegations are proven false.

Not "not enough evidence to press charges" but PROVEN FALSE.

So, yeah, when you cry about the "victim being blamed" nearly half of the time THERE WAS NO "VICTIM."


O.K.: the Hofstra guys? There lives were not ruined. Because it was obviously not true. The Duke guys? Lives not ruined obviously not true.
And when the charges are false, it does not mean in every case that there was no crime, or a knowingly false accusation. The Innocence Project finds many convicted guys falsely accused, but the victims were really dead. They were just dead from another guy. But yeah, they were really victims.

As to the number of accusations that are false: some say it's as high as half, but even anti-feminist critics like Wendy McEldry doubt this:
"If the foregoing results can be extrapolated, then the rate of false reports is roughly between 20 (if DNA excludes an accused) to 40 percent (if inconclusive DNA is added). The relatively low estimate of 25 to 26 percent is probably accurate, especially since it is supported by other sources."

The FBI's figure from the 90s is much lower:

"In 1995, 87% of recorded forcible
rapes were completed crimes and the
remainder were classified as attempts.
Law enforcement agencies indicated
that about 8% of forcible rapes reported
to them were determined to be
unfounded and were excluded from
the count of crimes."

But what would the FBI know about crime?

Yogimus:

If you really believe that nobody blames rape or domestic violence victims, you cannot really have been on this site for 2 years. Or you are living in the alternate universe of victimized men that some other farkers live in.

I'm not saying no one blames them. That is not my point at all.

Yogimus: ciocia: Yogimus>b: hey don't dress like a whore, and maybe you won't be treated like a whore.

We don't agree on this one. Guys who want a "whore" will buy one, or find a woman who is agreeable to have sex with them. Rapists are rapists, and find unwilling victims--don't confuse them.

I'm sick of these stupid rape threads where the victim is to blame. There are no other category of crime that blames the victim like this.

Yes, there are several.

Fraud. /too stupid
Theft. /shouldn't have left it in the car
Assault. /Should have shut up

in fact, rape is the only crime I can think of where it is taboo to assign responsibility to the victim. If you accept that the victim shares no responsibility, you must also accept that the victim can do nothing to prevent it.

/Correction: Domestic violence is the other

Yogimus: I'm not saying no one blames them. That is not my point at all.

Well, you said that it was taboo to blame them, which I took for the same.

ciocia: Yogimus: ciocia: Yogimus>b: hey don't dress like a whore, and maybe you won't be treated like a whore.

We don't agree on this one. Guys who want a "whore" will buy one, or find a woman who is agreeable to have sex with them. Rapists are rapists, and find unwilling victims--don't confuse them.

I'm sick of these stupid rape threads where the victim is to blame. There are no other category of crime that blames the victim like this.

Yes, there are several.

Fraud. /too stupid
Theft. /shouldn't have left it in the car
Assault. /Should have shut up

in fact, rape is the only crime I can think of where it is taboo to assign responsibility to the victim. If you accept that the victim shares no responsibility, you must also accept that the victim can do nothing to prevent it.

/Correction: Domestic violence is the other

Yogimus: I'm not saying no one blames them. That is not my point at all.

Well, you said that it was taboo to blame them, which I took for the same.

I think the 250 some odd posts above confirm that it is in fact taboo to so much as suggest responsibility exists on both sides.

Yogimus, your last post makes no sense at all. If it were taboo, there would not be 250 posts arguing the point. It would not be spoken of at all--which is what happens when mentioning something is "taboo." Look it up.

But if by "taboo" you mean--"some mean, poopy headed people criticized my point of view and disagreed with me, thereby making me an oppressed person, then yeah, it's taboo.

ciocia: Yogimus, your last post makes no sense at all. If it were taboo, there would not be 250 posts arguing the point. It would not be spoken of at all--which is what happens when mentioning something is "taboo." Look it up.

But if by "taboo" you mean--"some mean, poopy headed people criticized my point of view and disagreed with me, thereby making me an oppressed person, then yeah, it's taboo.

Now you are just being a jackass.

Go google taboo, and find out its definition.

I apologize, that was a lazy response to a lazy response.

Instead of being flippant, try stating your counterpoint to the argument I presented. Attempt to stay away from personal insults, and see if you can rationally hold a debate.

/my initial post was to prove a point. I do believe my mistake was waiting too long for a followup, but hey... work happens.

Here's some definition for taboo:

ta·boo also ta·bu (t-b, t-)
n. pl. ta·boos also ta·bus
1. A ban or an inhibition resulting from social custom or emotional aversion.
2.
a. A prohibition, especially in Polynesia and other South Pacific islands, excluding something from use, approach, or mention because of its sacred and inviolable nature.
b. An object, a word, or an act protected by such a prohibition.
adj.
Excluded or forbidden from use, approach, or mention: a taboo subject.
To exclude from use, approach, or mention; place under taboo.

You said it was "taboo" to blame rape or domestic violence victims for crimes against them. If there are 250 posts arguing the issue, it is clearly not taboo. Taboo things, by definition, are not mentioned. They are not put on the table for debate. Victim-blaming is controversial, which is not the same thing.

You said that victims, unless they are flawless and never make mistakes in judgements that put them in dangerous situations, take co-responsibility with their attackers for crimes committed against them. You are wrong. Criminals always take full responsibilities for their crimes.

In a liability or tort case, people can take various parts of responsibility for an accident, but have you ever heard of a robber getting a shorter sentence because their victim was in a bad neighborhood, or drunk? Last year, a guy was murdered coming out of a strip club in a rough neighborhood in Detroit. Were his killers caught, they would not get a reduced sentence because of his mistake in judgement. They bore the full responsibility for killing him. Sorry, victims are not co-responsible with criminals.

Yogimus: I apologize, that was a lazy response to a lazy response.

Instead of being flippant, try stating your counterpoint to the argument I presented. Attempt to stay away from personal insults, and see if you can rationally hold a debate.

/my initial post was to prove a point. I do believe my mistake was waiting too long for a followup, but hey... work happens.

Does calling me a "jackass" count as a personal insult?

ciocia: Here's some definition for taboo:

ta·boo also ta·bu (t-b, t-)
n. pl. ta·boos also ta·bus
1. A ban or an inhibition resulting from social custom or emotional aversion.
2.
a. A prohibition, especially in Polynesia and other South Pacific islands, excluding something from use, approach, or mention because of its sacred and inviolable nature.
b. An object, a word, or an act protected by such a prohibition.
adj.
Excluded or forbidden from use, approach, or mention: a taboo subject.
To exclude from use, approach, or mention; place under taboo.

You said it was "taboo" to blame rape or domestic violence victims for crimes against them. If there are 250 posts arguing the issue, it is clearly not taboo. Taboo things, by definition, are not mentioned. They are not put on the table for debate. Victim-blaming is controversial, which is not the same thing.

You said that victims, unless they are flawless and never make mistakes in judgements that put them in dangerous situations, take co-responsibility with their attackers for crimes committed against them. You are wrong. Criminals always take full responsibilities for their crimes.

In a liability or tort case, people can take various parts of responsibility for an accident, but have you ever heard of a robber getting a shorter sentence because their victim was in a bad neighborhood, or drunk? Last year, a guy was murdered coming out of a strip club in a rough neighborhood in Detroit. Were his killers caught, they would not get a reduced sentence because of his mistake in judgement. They bore the full responsibility for killing him. Sorry, victims are not co-responsible with criminals.

I do not advocate mercy on the criminals. Never have. but victims ARE IN FACT often co responsible, by being IRResponsible in their behavior.

I am not advocating punishing the victim, the world is more than capable of taking care of that. This culture of never "blaming" the victim breeds more of them. It creates an environment in which criminals can function. Once the victim demographic takes responsibility and accepts that they have control over the course of their lives, the cases of rape drop. Significantly.

Yogimus:
I do not advocate mercy on the criminals. Never have. but victims ARE IN FACT often co responsible, by being IRResponsible in their behavior.

I am not advocating punishing the victim, the world is more than capable of taking care of that. This culture of never "blaming" the victim breeds more of them. It creates an environment in which criminals can function. Once the victim demographic takes responsibility and accepts that they have control over the course of their lives, the cases of rape drop. Significantly.

And you have some evidence of this? In rape, or any other crime? Can you cite any evidence that there has been less crime--burglaries, robberies, rape, etc.--because of this? You might get a few less opportunistic crimes, where somebody walks by an unlocked car. But if somebody is determined to commit a crime, they will just move on to a better opportunity.

//waiting to see your evidence.

I'm sorry, I have to tell you why your postings upset me so much. I grew up in a crappy neighborhood in Detroit, and we were repeatedly victimized. I got my purse snatched (2x), my mom got hers snatched, my dad got held up at gunpoint in front of our house. The neighbor lady got mugged and had her leg broken in front of our house. There was no safe place to be, or safe way to act. I'm glad you live in a world where everybody can choose to be a crime victim or not. Most mortals can't.