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2009-10-05 12:37:41 PM
imgod2u:

And here we have what is called stereotype, bigotry and prejudice. "Those people" are usually "these types". Get over yourself. You don't know the world. And even if what you're saying was true, you're still mixing cause and effect. The reason it's "the lowest common denominator" is because it's illegal.

And your little pet social theory about what is productive and healthy for society is, again, nothing more than truthiness. And even if it were true, it's still not justification for making it illegal. Personal liberty should only be taken away if it causes harm to others, not erodes what you feel is a "productive" society.


My theory for what causes health and happiness for society is education and lots of it. Call it a theory if you will, but societies that historically have invested heavily in education have thrived.

While you could point to some aberrations out there of women in porn who have a college level education that is very far from the norm. People who are educated with options almost never choose to go into the sex industry. Most have little more/if even a high school education and commonly have backgrounds of abuse. The people you say I'm stereotyping share remarkably similar backgrounds and that is a fact not speculation.

Also how can you say I'm mixing cause and effect and "truthiness" and then you completely trump me by saying the only reason sketchy people are in prostitution is because it's illegal. That sounds like it was directly pulled from your ass.

My argument isn't that people should be arrested for prostitution en masse as this does no good. Just that it shouldn't be openly condoned or legalized. As in if you do it we aren't going to come after you aggressively, but we aren't going to let you open up a brothel next to McDonalds either.

btw your attitude is vile. Just vile. You sound like a delight of a person.
 
2009-10-05 12:40:22 PM
MayoSlather: People who are educated with options almost never choose to go into the sex industry.


What about the ones using the money to pay for school?

Or is that an option they shouldn't have?
 
2009-10-05 12:46:04 PM
MayoSlather: My theory for what causes health and happiness for society is education and lots of it. Call it a theory if you will, but societies that historically have invested heavily in education have thrived.

I will have to ask for references then. Show me controlled groups of societies that embrace legal prostitution vs those that don't and relative health/happiness that can be measured in some objective way. Then lay out a psychological theory that explains the correlation. Take that theory and apply it to an isolated case, and witness the predicted results.

Go ahead, if you're educated you should know exactly what I'm asking for: scientific data and empirical evidence. Cause otherwise you're just blowing shait out of your ass.

While you could point to some aberrations out there of women in porn who have a college level education that is very far from the norm. People who are educated with options almost never choose to go into the sex industry.

The fact that the sex industry is illegal and social taboo have, of course, nothing to do with that. (sarcasm)

Most have little more/if even a high school education and commonly have backgrounds of abuse. The people you say I'm stereotyping share remarkably similar backgrounds and that is a fact not speculation.

Show me data. Show me data in relation to variables such as, oh, whether prostitution is legal/illegal. Psychological evaluations of everyone being sampled and a history of their lives over the next 10 years (to show long-term effects).

Also how can you say I'm mixing cause and effect and "truthiness" and then you completely trump me by saying the only reason sketchy people are in prostitution is because it's illegal.

I don't believe I claimed it was "the only reason". I claimed it was a variable you're not taking into account.

My argument isn't that people should be arrested for prostitution en masse as this does no good.

No, just that it was "a bad thing" based on prejudice.

As in if you do it we aren't going to come after you aggressively, but we aren't going to let you open up a brothel next to McDonalds either.

Who the fark are you to tell someone else where they can and can't do next to where. Last I recalled, at least in the U.S., we followed the philosophy that all men (people) are endowed with certain inalienable rights.
 
2009-10-05 12:51:49 PM
MayoSlather: imgod2u:

And here we have what is called stereotype, bigotry and prejudice. "Those people" are usually "these types". Get over yourself. You don't know the world. And even if what you're saying was true, you're still mixing cause and effect. The reason it's "the lowest common denominator" is because it's illegal.

And your little pet social theory about what is productive and healthy for society is, again, nothing more than truthiness. And even if it were true, it's still not justification for making it illegal. Personal liberty should only be taken away if it causes harm to others, not erodes what you feel is a "productive" society.

My theory for what causes health and happiness for society is education and lots of it. Call it a theory if you will, but societies that historically have invested heavily in education have thrived.

While you could point to some aberrations out there of women in porn who have a college level education that is very far from the norm. People who are educated with options almost never choose to go into the sex industry. Most have little more/if even a high school education and commonly have backgrounds of abuse. The people you say I'm stereotyping share remarkably similar backgrounds and that is a fact not speculation.

Also how can you say I'm mixing cause and effect and "truthiness" and then you completely trump me by saying the only reason sketchy people are in prostitution is because it's illegal. That sounds like it was directly pulled from your ass.

My argument isn't that people should be arrested for prostitution en masse as this does no good. Just that it shouldn't be openly condoned or legalized. As in if you do it we aren't going to come after you aggressively, but we aren't going to let you open up a brothel next to McDonalds either.

btw your attitude is vile. Just vile. You sound like a delight of a person.


A few more laws, and a few more weeks, and prostitution can be eliminated.

Then, back to the War on Drugs.
 
2009-10-05 12:53:52 PM
imgod2u: Who the fark are you to tell someone else where they can and can't do next to where. Last I recalled, at least in the U.S., we followed the philosophy that all men (people) are endowed with certain inalienable rights.

He does have a point about putting a brothel next to a McDonalds, its call Zoning man ;o)

Other that that he's just another "do gooder" looking for his utopia. Read True Believer (new window). Its still in print at Amazon
 
2009-10-05 12:56:47 PM
crazytrpr: He does have a point about putting a brothel next to a McDonalds, its call Zoning man ;o)

Other that that he's just another "do gooder" looking for his utopia. Read True Believer (new window). Its still in print at Amazon


I am waiting for the day the Supreme Court takes an honest look at zoning laws.

Pesky Constitution get in your way? Don't like that people have personal liberties? Say it with me folks: Zoning Laws!
 
2009-10-05 01:02:01 PM
My theory for what causes health and happiness for society is education and lots of it. Call it a theory if you will, but societies that historically have invested heavily in education have thrived.

Yet another case of someone who spent too much time in college and not enough real world experience. Your comments on prostitution and people who pay for it all sound right out of a textbook. nothing but cliches and pop psychology.
You truly have no idea.
 
2009-10-05 01:07:45 PM
MayoSlather: My theory for what causes health and happiness for society is education and lots of it. Call it a theory if you will, but societies that historically have invested heavily in education have thrived.

Societies benefit greatly from education, higher skill levels, generally higher income, R&D that result from it.

Historically though most of your revolutions started with the educated class. They lay the intellectual ground works and recruit the followers (fanatics), and some form the cadres. I met more malcontents in college than any where else especially in the humanities and poli-sci depts.
 
2009-10-05 01:09:14 PM
imgod2u: crazytrpr: He does have a point about putting a brothel next to a McDonalds, its call Zoning man ;o)

Other that that he's just another "do gooder" looking for his utopia. Read True Believer (new window). Its still in print at Amazon

I am waiting for the day the Supreme Court takes an honest look at zoning laws.

Pesky Constitution get in your way? Don't like that people have personal liberties? Say it with me folks: Zoning Laws!


Zoning laws have a place and a proper use. But like any law or tool they get massively abused.
 
2009-10-05 01:15:39 PM
Telos:

You do know what soldiers do, right? They go to other countries and kill people. It is their job, and it is encouraged.

No, it's not. We don't go into wars looking for a body count. We go in with an objective. That involves killing sometimes but we don't say to our soldiers get out there and mow down anything you see. Typically we try to minimize human death. Also soldiers that have killed a lot aren't generally proud of how many they killed.

It is not apples to oranges. Soldiers are being exploited by the country. They are hired for low wages, given bonuses such as tuition reimbursement and other things and put out into a field to either kill or die.

But to be exploited for sex, for a lot more money and at lower risk... that's BAD.


Right, and your argument is what? That being exploited as a soldier is legal and wrong and we should make prostitution the same because it has a lower mortality rate and potentially higher pay?...OK.


The question I'm posing is why do you think this doesn't apply to other jobs? Do you think there isn't emotional damage for a surgeon has a patient die, or for a nurse when a particularly traumatized patient comes through the ER? How many office workers are constantly depressed just from the boring routine of their jobs?

So you're essentially trying to compare the day to day suffering we all endure with that of being a prostitute? Without delving into the bevy of psychological consequences... I think it's safe to say that it's generally a world of pain and desperation that goes out of the bounds of the day to day tribulations the common working man/woman experiences.


Yet selling out to do something we don't believe in is legal, acceptable and often encouraged.


So when has selling out to do something you don't believe in made you happy or contributed to your emotional well being or for that matter has resulted in a positive outcome you're proud of?
 
2009-10-05 01:20:45 PM
This thread has too few images of what hot Korean prostitutes may look like. Y'all have gotten too serious.
 
2009-10-05 01:28:17 PM
MayoSlather:
No, it's not. We don't go into wars looking for a body count. We go in with an objective.


Oh please. How often is the objective "hand out candy and rainbows?" I never said they were told to go out and mow down everything they see, but their objectives involve taking out targets. They are either capturing a position by killing the people in it, defending a position by killing the people attacking it, or trying to protect themselves by killing the people attacking them.

They are killing people. That's why a large portion of a soldiers training involves guns and explosives, rather than candy and teddy bears.


That involves killing sometimes but we don't say to our soldiers get out there and mow down anything you see. Typically we try to minimize human death. Also soldiers that have killed a lot aren't generally proud of how many they killed.


No, they aren't proud. They are often psychologically and emotionally damaged by it. AND WE ENCOURAGE IT.

That is my point. You don't want prostitution because of the emotional damage, but you think being a soldier is a good, honorable profession.



Right, and your argument is what? That being exploited as a soldier is legal and wrong and we should make prostitution the same because it has a lower mortality rate and potentially higher pay?...OK.


Why not? It causes less harm to everyone involved and you can make more money. Where is the actual logical reason to criminalize sex?

We'll probably never get rid of war, so we will always need soldiers. We'll never get rid of the desire for sex either.

Let's see if you can follow that to the logical conclusion.



So you're essentially trying to compare the day to day suffering we all endure with that of being a prostitute? Without delving into the bevy of psychological consequences... I think it's safe to say that it's generally a world of pain and desperation that goes out of the bounds of the day to day tribulations the common working man/woman experiences.


Much unlike all those soldiers who end up homeless because of the psychological trauma they suffered?

Get the fark over it. Being a whore is not going to be traumatic for everyone. I couldn't handle being a soldier, nor a nurse or ER doc. I bet a lot of people couldn't. But the ones who can? They do for everyone's betterment. Maybe a lot of us couldn't handle being a whore either, but you know what? There will be some who can. People who DON'T feel the same way you do about sex.

Why do you want them to be criminals based on specious logic about how it causes some emotional damage?


So when has selling out to do something you don't believe in made you happy or contributed to your emotional well being or for that matter has resulted in a positive outcome you're proud of?


Really? You only do things you believe in? You "believe" in your company? You go to work every day for the faith you have in your company?

Bull. We all sell out every day. I don't give a shiat about the tech support my company provides, I'm just happy if I can make my co-workers lives a little easier and enjoy what I'm doing. I'm still happier making $60k than I would be without it.

By the way, some whores like sex... and I know some strippers who like to believe they help out people who are lonely and sad. I presume some escorts feel the same.
 
2009-10-05 01:36:48 PM
/salute subby. Love the headline.
 
2009-10-05 01:48:33 PM
imgod2u:

I will have to ask for references then. Show me controlled groups of societies that embrace legal prostitution vs those that don't and relative health/happiness that can be measured in some objective way. Then lay out a psychological theory that explains the correlation. Take that theory and apply it to an isolated case, and witness the predicted results.

Oh well played...Perfectly practical for a discussion on fark. So basically you're ever so eloquently stating that an educated society isn't necessarily one that's better off with greater freedoms and advantages? Last I checked quality of life tends to suffer somewhat without education. I don't think it necessitates empirical data to say that people are far better off with more education.



Show me data. Show me data in relation to variables such as, oh, whether prostitution is legal/illegal. Psychological evaluations of everyone being sampled and a history of their lives over the next 10 years (to show long-term effects).

Really? I mean do I have to present an entire doctoral thesis here to say that people in the sex industry have a common psychological profile? People's tendencies are a logical build of events and there are key similarities to people that work in any industry. It's out of the bounds of discussion in this forum and beyond the typing my fingers want to do present a full set of empirical data to prove this to you. If you're interested you can feel free to look things up yourself and find that there is logic to everything.



No, just that it was "a bad thing" based on prejudice.


A prejudice of what? That it's psychologically harmful for people to sell their bodies for sex? sure. I guess I'm full of prejudice then.
 
2009-10-05 01:51:49 PM
thread does not deliver........
 
2009-10-05 03:21:49 PM
Ping: English majors...

Is "Mi Suk Yang" an onomatopoeia?
 
2009-10-05 03:28:19 PM
imgod2u: Oznog: Amsterdam's legal prostitution is controlled by the Mafia. It funds the Mafia. Human trafficking most definitely does occur there.

Sounds like the problem is with the government's lack of control and enforcement rather than something specific about prostitution.


I'd go further than that. Mafia influence in the prostitution business is almost encouraged by government. For many decades, prostitution wasn't quite legal, which encouraged shadowy types to enter the business. To this day, "legitimate" businesses are warned to stay away from prostitution e.g. banks will not extend loans to bordellos, or even individual sex workers, egged on by government. Zoning laws mean that Amsterdam's famous red lights are in a very limited area, where most real estate is owned by mafia because of the many decades of prostitution being illegal. And these areas are actually being shut down, meaning prostitution is moving to out calls (hotels and customers' homes) where police are unlikely to show up to check working conditions. At the same time the government is tightening restrictions on immigration - the job may be legal, but the girls are in the country illegally. This gives pimps great leverage, as there isn't even so much as an amnesty for women who turn in their pimps. Turn in your pimp, and go to jail before being deported.
Unfortunately, Dutch politics is in the stranglehold of wacky Christian parties who only agree to rational laws once in a while to be able to form a coalition, and then quickly backpedal, implementing antagonistic, mean-spirited, policies. They're more concerned with outward appearances (doing away with the red lights) than fighting social injustice.
 
2009-10-05 03:37:47 PM
moof: imgod2u: Oznog: Amsterdam's legal prostitution is controlled by the Mafia. It funds the Mafia. Human trafficking most definitely does occur there.

Sounds like the problem is with the government's lack of control and enforcement rather than something specific about prostitution.

I'd go further than that. Mafia influence in the prostitution business is almost encouraged by government. For many decades, prostitution wasn't quite legal, which encouraged shadowy types to enter the business. To this day, "legitimate" businesses are warned to stay away from prostitution e.g. banks will not extend loans to bordellos, or even individual sex workers, egged on by government. Zoning laws mean that Amsterdam's famous red lights are in a very limited area, where most real estate is owned by mafia because of the many decades of prostitution being illegal. And these areas are actually being shut down, meaning prostitution is moving to out calls (hotels and customers' homes) where police are unlikely to show up to check working conditions. At the same time the government is tightening restrictions on immigration - the job may be legal, but the girls are in the country illegally. This gives pimps great leverage, as there isn't even so much as an amnesty for women who turn in their pimps. Turn in your pimp, and go to jail before being deported.
Unfortunately, Dutch politics is in the stranglehold of wacky Christian parties who only agree to rational laws once in a while to be able to form a coalition, and then quickly backpedal, implementing antagonistic, mean-spirited, policies. They're more concerned with outward appearances (doing away with the red lights) than fighting social injustice.


Human nature is a farked up beast ;o) Feel sorry for the girls the pimps not so much.
 
2009-10-05 04:01:03 PM
Whoa baby! That thing smells like Toe Jam Dip.
 
2009-10-05 05:17:48 PM
MayoSlather, I've gotta say that I find your theories really messed up. I know personally, if I had the legal, safe option to work in a brothel, I'd take it in a heartbeat. I used to be a stripper, and I have a college education and no history of abuse or violence in my background. Just because you can't imagine being happy getting paid to have sex with who you wish (and yes, in this situation the prostitutes WOULD have an option, just like a stripper doesn't HAVE to take a private dance if they don't want to) doesn't mean that there aren't those of us who wouldn't be.

/my $0.02
//back to lurking
 
2009-10-05 06:08:51 PM
tiggerfreak: MayoSlather, I've gotta say that I find your theories really messed up. I know personally, if I had the legal, safe option to work in a brothel, I'd take it in a heartbeat. I used to be a stripper, and I have a college education and no history of abuse or violence in my background. Just because you can't imagine being happy getting paid to have sex with who you wish (and yes, in this situation the prostitutes WOULD have an option, just like a stripper doesn't HAVE to take a private dance if they don't want to) doesn't mean that there aren't those of us who wouldn't be.

/my $0.02
//back to lurking



So I was going to post the standard/expected "pics or it didn't happen" type post, but then I noticed your native american name generator thing in your profile... Secret Star Dancer. Hilarious! (To me, anyway.)

/still need some pics ;)
 
2009-10-05 06:10:17 PM
MayoSlather: Oh well played...Perfectly practical for a discussion on fark. So basically you're ever so eloquently stating that an educated society isn't necessarily one that's better off with greater freedoms and advantages? Last I checked quality of life tends to suffer somewhat without education. I don't think it necessitates empirical data to say that people are far better off with more education.

Basically, no. Seriously, now I question your very basic logical reasoning abilities. I'm asking for empirical evidence and controlled studies as proof of your blatant assertions of "what those people are like". Or am I just suppose to take your word for it? Or is it just truthiness because "well, everyone knows that".

Really? I mean do I have to present an entire doctoral thesis here to say that people in the sex industry have a common psychological profile?

....yes. Do you...know what psychological profile means? Do you know what statistics are? Do you know how either or both are formed? I'll give you a hint: it isn't by "well, everyone knows that those people are like that".

People's tendencies are a logical build of events and there are key similarities to people that work in any industry.

B.S. This is the exact definition of prejudice. Unstructured, fuzzy logic based on "well I just feel that this is right". But taking that as fact instead of just your own personal bias.

A prejudice of what? That it's psychologically harmful for people to sell their bodies for sex? sure. I guess I'm full of prejudice then.

Yes, you are. BTW, "it's psychologically harmful" claims scientific soundness. If you have none to provide, please stop using that phrase. It's an insult to science.
 
2009-10-05 06:45:30 PM
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This thread does NOT deliver.

-$5

/Nobody excited that it's Monday?
 
2009-10-05 07:18:54 PM
CruiserTwelve: Epsilon: Another case of the cops pursuing a victimless crime. The world needs whores as much as we need ditch diggers and brick layers and burger flippers. Everyone has a place in life. As long as they're using rubbers and operating behind closed doors, leave them alone.

I'm a cop and I agree with this. Regulate and tax it, don't ban it. If women want to make their living that way, and if men want to pay for sex, why stop them? Make the women get licensed and get medical clearances, and inspect their locations.

Problem is, good luck getting the politicians to go along with this. The religious nuts would go crazy, even though they're probably the biggest clients of those places.

Except if the women are ugly. Then it should be illegal.


Thanks man. Your post saved me from having to type it.
 
2009-10-05 07:54:38 PM
tiggerfreak: MayoSlather, I've gotta say that I find your theories really messed up. I know personally, if I had the legal, safe option to work in a brothel, I'd take it in a heartbeat. I used to be a stripper, and I have a college education and no history of abuse or violence in my background. Just because you can't imagine being happy getting paid to have sex with who you wish (and yes, in this situation the prostitutes WOULD have an option, just like a stripper doesn't HAVE to take a private dance if they don't want to) doesn't mean that there aren't those of us who wouldn't be.

/my $0.02
//back to lurking


How much would you be charging in this situation?
 
2009-10-05 10:19:27 PM
rev. dave: Epsilon: Another case of the cops pursuing a victimless crime. The world needs whores as much as we need ditch diggers and brick layers and burger flippers. Everyone has a place in life. As long as they're using rubbers and operating behind closed doors, leave them alone.

Not true. As a Licensed Massage therapist in GA, this kind of activity negatively reflects upon anyone in the Metro Atl area who is a real massage therapist.

Iron Chef Scottish:Suuuuure you are. *wink wink* How much for unprotected anal?


Yeah- what's the going rate for an Licensed Unprotected Anal Therapist?
I'm having trouble finding the specific category in the Yellow Pages.
 
2009-10-06 01:43:21 AM
I work with a guy named Johnson Wang.
 
2009-10-06 06:21:16 AM
http://www.wittycomics.com/comic/23820



/not mine
 
2009-10-06 01:03:01 PM
never have i been let down by farkers as much as in this thread
 
2009-10-06 08:04:11 PM
Oznog: Yeah- what's the going rate for an Licensed Unprotected Anal Therapist?
I'm having trouble finding the specific category in the Yellow Pages.


That's because you should be looking in the Brown Pages.
 
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