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(ABC)   Dad says Elizabeth Smart was brainwashed, was not raised to rob banks with Patty Hearst   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 305
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2003-03-13 02:45:27 PM
Never forget EVIL has a smiling face and will tell you want you want to hear so that you relax and look the other way.
 
2003-03-13 02:47:17 PM
Well duh...she is Mormon after all. Her father should have been clearer, as in "Elizabeth was brainwashed further by this drifter. She no longer believes in our magical underpants."
 
2003-03-13 02:48:11 PM
Yeah I soooo thought Patty Hearst this morning when Good Morning America was going on and on and on and on and farking ON about how big this story was.
 
2003-03-13 02:54:08 PM
So...Mr. Mormon says she was brainwashed, eh?

This family has definitely done a bit too much LDS.

/ba dum bump
 
2003-03-13 02:55:20 PM
Try those tags again:
Mormon
 
2003-03-13 03:00:44 PM
change the headline! it's insensitive!! this is a human tragedy!!
 
2003-03-13 03:46:30 PM
Zenmaster ... someone call me?...

Are you sure it's not time for a colorful metaphor?
 
2003-03-13 04:55:48 PM
When found, her brain was apparently the only body part that had been washed.

/runs away slightly ashamed
 
2003-03-13 05:26:45 PM
The officers who found her said at first she denied that she was Elizabeth Smart, but eventually she started to cry.

The officers persisted, and asked repeatedly if she was Elizabeth. Eventually, she responded, "Thou sayeth," which police said they took to be an admission.


Creepy

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/Primetime/smart_theories030313.html
 
2003-03-13 05:45:33 PM
I agree with Just Another Arsehole, I don't see anything here to joke about.
 
2003-03-13 06:09:44 PM
I was kind of wondering how these people could have kept control of Elizabeth. It seems that they were taking her out in public (I mean, that's how they got caught) and yet I would think any normal teenager would just run away screaming or grab a cop when they passed by one.

It'll be interesting to see how things turn out, especially with this whole brainwashing element thrown in. I had never considered the possibility.

Do you think some aspect of religious purposes (or whatever the brainwashing would accomplish) is why she's still alive, or even why they took her in the first place?
 
2003-03-13 06:22:41 PM
That's the last time I let a transient, self-promclaimed prophet stay at my house for four days, lemme tell you.

On a side note: If I were the father I would blame the police less and myself more. I mean, the father WAS the guy who brought the ex-murderer as well as the pedofilic hoboe to his family's home in the first place. Then again, I don't know the details of how they were hired, so pay no attention to me.
 
2003-03-13 06:32:58 PM
To me, the real damper on all this good news is that Elizabeth had to be reunited to a MORMON family. From the frying pan into the fire. I wonder if that mixed up hoboe told her wild stories about evolution and gender equality.

/cynical sh!tface
 
2003-03-13 07:05:12 PM
Just_Another_Arsehole & Prozacboi:

Lighten up.

The headline doesn't make fun of many of the unspeakable horrors that can happen to children.

It doesn't say she deserved it.

It doesn't say "I'd hit it" in reference to a 15 year-old girl.

It just uses a cultural and historical reference to convey a follow-up to an article that left many asking why she didn't try to escape.

She was found alive and in relative good health. All the time people on Fark and elsewhere make fun of people killed in grisley manners. Some people need to use humor as a release for uncomfortable situations.

Yes, kidnapping is a terrible, horrid thing. However, if you want insensative and tragedy, why don't you turn your passions to the fact that this one white girl from a fairly well-to-do family got national media attention, while thousands of children go missing (often never found, or found dead), and don't get the attention or happy conclusion that the Smart case did.

I'm happy for her and her family that this awful experience had a relatively good ending, but have some perspective.

/close soapbax tag

Best,

-DF
 
2003-03-13 07:06:29 PM
Great. Closed my soapbox tag, but not my italics.

Me = dumb bass.
 
2003-03-13 07:29:43 PM
Well duh...she is Mormon after all. Her father should have been clearer, as in "Elizabeth was brainwashed further..."
LMAO!
 
43%
2003-03-13 09:27:32 PM
Brainwashing? Is that what their calling anal sex these days?
 
43%
2003-03-13 09:28:10 PM
fvck. THey're
 
2003-03-13 09:30:21 PM
Ran away. Big whoop. Good luck to Mom and Dad putting the toothpaste back in the tube.
 
2003-03-13 09:30:59 PM
Well said Dr.Fey.

Oh, I'd hit it.


Ok I wouldnt but still, I couldnt resist.
 
2003-03-13 09:33:02 PM
Anyone else sick of our culture of victimization? We're all a victim of something or someone else. It's never our fault.
 
2003-03-13 09:34:10 PM
Yay the rich white Christian child was saved!

Now lets get started killing those heathen Islamic children in the middle east, we have to kill them before they grow up to hate us.

/rant
 
2003-03-13 09:34:44 PM
I'd hit it

and seeing as i'm 17 i can say that without being a pedo
 
2003-03-13 09:35:06 PM
Here's how my brain works..

15 year old girl (from repressive backwards culture) disappears for nine months.
where has she been ?what can girls do that takes nine months ? hhhmm
You do the math
 
2003-03-13 09:35:31 PM
She's a cute girl. Someone will do a "where are they now" interview with her 5 years from now, and Farkers will be saying "I'd hit it!" regardless of what may be wrong with her head.

This family is well-off, yet they hired transients to do work for them. That seems charitable, but it's also kind of superior-nice, like my mother stopping any black man on the street and asking him to come over and mow her lawn. I had to tell her not to do that with my Mexican neighbors.
 
2003-03-13 09:35:34 PM
... obvious???
 
2003-03-13 09:36:58 PM
Then she said to us, 'Thou sayeth. I'll say it,' which took me aback because I didn't expect to hear that.

Yikes! That's like Christ telling Pilate, "Thou sayeth I am the Messiah..."

I feel sorry for that chick.
 
2003-03-13 09:37:19 PM
On a side note: If I were the father I would blame the police less and myself more. I mean, the father WAS the guy who brought the ex-murderer as well as the pedofilic hoboe to his family's home in the first place. Then again, I don't know the details of how they were hired, so pay no attention to me.

From what I read, he was one of those 'will work for food' guys that they actually took seriously. Whoops.
 
2003-03-13 09:37:59 PM
I'm sure there is alot of weird stuff that may not be explored in this case
 
43%
2003-03-13 09:38:53 PM
Yay the rich white Christian child was saved!


Yeah. Shoulda killed the white devil.
 
43%
2003-03-13 09:40:37 PM
I guess they didn't pay attention to the rest of the sign:

"Will work for a piece of your daughter's sweet cherry pie"
 
2003-03-13 09:41:25 PM
Chrisifa: You lucky bastard! lol I'm 20, so I don't think it would be right for me to say "I'd hit it"

(*whispers* but I would!)
 
2003-03-13 09:42:26 PM
A lot of things aren't adding up here....

Why didn't she call the police?
Why didn't she escape?
Did she run away?
Was she abused?
Was she sexually abused?
Why wouldn't she admit to the cop who she was?
Why didn't she call her parents?
How were the two "kidnappers" able to hold her hostage while the were supposedly roaming the streets for 9 months?
Why didn't she escape when the guy was in jail?
Did they threaten her if she escaped or tryed to?

I think back to the days when I was 14/15 yrs old and this scenario is just not imaginable or believable to me. I would have gotten away!

I would also like to ask the parents why the prayers of thousands of other parents were left unanswered when their children were murdered? Do they think their faith is stronger? Why do they think this is a miracle? Perhaps the publicity, America's most wanted, and some people who called police are responsible for the return of their daughter.

Fishy stuff man, fishy.


P.S - Hearst should still be in prison
 
2003-03-13 09:45:25 PM
We'll never get the full story of what happened here. The Mormon hierarchy will close ranks to ensure that nothing embarassing to a good LDS family gets out.
 
2003-03-13 09:46:06 PM
"Why didn't she call the police?"

There were two people with her at all times

"Why didn't she escape?"

Look above.

"Did she run away?"

From her home? No. From the guys? not really.

"Was she abused?"

Probably

"Was she sexually abused?"

Probably

"Why wouldn't she admit to the cop who she was?"

When you've been farked with by a cult leader like Emmanuel Rasputin, you'd be reluctant to give yourself up.

"Why didn't she call her parents?"

Two people with her at all times

"How were the two "kidnappers" able to hold her hostage while the were supposedly roaming the streets for 9 months?"

Because there were more than two people in on this. But they had two with her at all times. The guy was a cult leader.

"Why didn't she escape when the guy was in jail?"

Two of his followers were with her.

"Did they threaten her if she escaped or tryed to?"

I'd say they did.

RF
 
2003-03-13 09:46:23 PM
To those who ask why there was so much publicity regarding a white "well-to-do" child gone missing when thousands of others are widely ignored?

Because black people don't care about their children.
 
2003-03-13 09:46:44 PM
What brainwashing can do to people is absolutely terrifying.

As well, she is still young enough to be remarkably impressionable by a strong presence.
 
2003-03-13 09:47:19 PM
I am very thankful that this child has been returned to her parents.

I am not a Morman or a member of any organized religion. I am a Christian! I don't beleive in organized religion.

This child could very well have been intimidated and "brainwashed".

If you want media attention for every abducted child in the USA, contact your congressmen and get a Nation-wide Amber Alert Bill passed NOW!!!
 
2003-03-13 09:47:19 PM
"We'll never get the full story of what happened here. The Mormon hierarchy will close ranks to ensure that nothing embarassing to a good LDS family gets out."

This guy might as well hope for federal charges and a trial out of Utah.

I can't see him getting a fair trial in Utah. Then again, I'm also calling for him to be executed via the firing squad.

RF
 
2003-03-13 09:48:30 PM
The story that will come out:

She ran away with the guy, promised something to her little sister so she would stick to the story about being kidnapped.

Things don't add up for a kidnapping.
 
2003-03-13 09:49:49 PM
Girls are easier to coerce into this sort of kidnapping situation. Especially young religious girls from Mormon families. Anyone else here take company with Mormons? They're so totally naive and sheltered it would be incredibly easy to brainwash them into thinking mommy and daddy are evil and you must run away with me.
 
2003-03-13 09:50:43 PM
Thats a quick brainwash recovery. I am glad she was found, but I don't know. Something smells fishy.
 
2003-03-13 09:51:20 PM
Bbcrackmonkey: If I were single I would try this on some 18 yr old mormon girls.
 
2003-03-13 09:51:25 PM
i think she may possibly have done this in a runaway manner...an opportunity for a new life presented itself and she went...her sister knew what was going on...it wasn't until several months later that she "remembered" that elizabeth's abductor resembled the guy working on the house...elizabeth had more than enough chances to get away, but never left...she denied she was elizabeth initially...there're a whole lotta open ends here and a whole lot that doesn't add up to a typical kidnapping scenario...or i could just be excercising my overactive imagination again...
 
2003-03-13 09:51:28 PM
"She ran away with the guy, promised something to her little sister so she would stick to the story about being kidnapped."

What the fark could you promise a 9 year old to keep a story about being kidnapped?

She'd eventually screw it up.
 
2003-03-13 09:52:45 PM
I sayeth id hitteth it!
 
2003-03-13 09:53:10 PM
RobbieFal: She did eventually screw it up and gave up the guys name.
 
2003-03-13 09:53:27 PM
Now kids what have we learned from all this:

Paying a homeless guy $5 to help with work around the house is a pretty fvcking stupid idea. Get your @ss off the high horse and fix it your fvcking self.
 
2003-03-13 09:53:29 PM
i strongly question a father who would jeopardize his family by hiring the homeless to do work on his house. i mean seriously, would you do that? isn't that begging for something bad to happen?

sure, like everyone else, i'm glad that she was found alive. but, in my opinion, the father has a lot to answer for considering his poor judgement.
 
2003-03-13 09:53:35 PM
Dad has secrets and problems of his own. Like how he's gonna put food on the table now that his only income (pity for his daughter) has dried up.

Seriously, the Smarts are in debt up to the top of their garments.
 
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