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(BBC)   The most banned library book in the USA is about a homosexual penguin family. Thank goodness there aren't more important things to worry about like war, torture, prison without trial and suchlike   (news.bbc.co.uk) divider line 402
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2009-10-01 03:21:07 PM  
Was it anything like this book?

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Moustaches are creepy, but not as creepy as:

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And finally, what homosexuals might look like:

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2009-10-01 03:21:30 PM  
fizzix_is_fun: arctic

Penguins don't live in the Arctic.
 
2009-10-01 03:21:35 PM  
Ed Grubermann: Duyogurt: You're missing the point. Being gay is ok, and the sooner that people learn that the better. There's no shame in being homosexual, and children should be armed with that knowledge so they know how to spot a bigot later on in life.

He'd rather his gay son commit suicide because he believes homosexuality is a sin.


I love my dead gay son!
 
2009-10-01 03:22:10 PM  
And Tango Makes Three found its way home in my kindergarten daughter's backpack one day. I didn't know what it was about so I just dove into it for her bedtime story.

I got to the part where it says something like "penguin Chris and penguin Pat have a baby. Chris is a boy. Pat is also a..." and then I thought quickly. I decided that I was not opposed to the message, but I was totally unprepared to have that discussion with my 5-year-old daughter that particular evening, and substituted "girl".

Backfire! Well, it turns out mom had beaten me to the punch and already read the book. Then my daughter wanted to know "why did you change the story, daddy?"

"Uhhh... to see how well you were listening, sweetie. Good job!"
 
2009-10-01 03:22:12 PM  
WFern: Devil's Playground: So, let me get this straight. If a group of citizens are offended by material in a certain book, and as a majority they ask to have it removed from a library, then they are banning a book? Like it or not, the majority of humans are not gay, and they do not want that agenda pushed on their children through a cuddly little book.

Bigoted mob mentality /= democracy.


lh6.ggpht.com
Disagrees.
 
2009-10-01 03:23:21 PM  
myspamhere: Hey I just got a book from the library 'Penguin Pole Dancers make Money' just for kids,
and
"Penguins makes vinger/baking soda bombs'
and
"penguin daddy is a con-artist and is happy"

I insist that YOU read them to your kids.


As much as you object to strawmen, I find it very interesting that you just constructed the first three I've seen in this thread.
 
2009-10-01 03:23:33 PM  
I knew full well that I would get labeled as a bigot when I posted my above comment. I am not a bigot. My oldest daughter is 29 and gay. I love her and her partner, and I wish they could get married to enjoy the benefits that would provide them. I am just saying that in any community there are accepted values, and the values of that community should be respected. If a person lives in a community where this book is not wanted in a public library, then just go and buy your child the book. And yes, democracy is mob mentality. It is two wolves and a sheep deciding what is for dinner.
 
2009-10-01 03:23:36 PM  
Dahne: I like my library because they have Preacher in the youth section.

What!!!??!! Did no one bother to open it and read. The entire comic is violence, swearing, sex, nudity, and beastility. How is that one for kids.

/read the whole series and loved it
//Cassidy is a real vamp. NO sparkles for him
 
2009-10-01 03:23:36 PM  
Philip J. Fry: kids think the other sex has cooties until the age of 12

I'm sorry, what?

/was indisputably hetero by 9 years old at the latest
 
2009-10-01 03:23:40 PM  
Beertender: Patterson: Beertender: j0ndas: To be absolutely blunt, books like this are propaganda directed at children by perverts. "Sexual orientation" is shaped by culture and life events, not genetics as many people would have you believe, and we don't need books telling young children that they're gay if they happen to like people of the same sex. Not everyone matures at the same rate.

Would you allow a book in the children's section of the library titled God Hates Gays? If not, then this shouldn't be allowed either.

So you're saying that these two penguins decided to become gay because some other gay penguins influenced them with their gay penguin culture?

See, all that gay sex and man muscle is so hard to ignore. That decadent, sinful, delicious behaviour is trying to get me to be gay! By golly if I don't slip up and find myself facing a small hole in a bathroom wall every once in awhile, but after that's done and I've gargled a whole bottle of listerine, I go back to my wife who is in her bed, which is right next to my bed of course. I close my eyes and try to purge the visions of naked homo-erotic manflesh, but that damned PBS indoctrinated me with their homosexual leanings and permissive morals!

Huh. When you put it like that, it does sound irresistible.


Ask Ted Haggard.
 
2009-10-01 03:24:13 PM  
ultraholland: How about book about gay dinosaurs? It would probably be viewed as the most immoral, blasphemous book out there. It would be illustrated as well; perhaps with JC whipping the raptors as they sucked each other off and gently scratched his nipples with their claws.

That's why God sent a meteor to destroy the species sometime less than about 6000 years ago.
 
2009-10-01 03:24:38 PM  
Devil's Playground: So, let me get this straight. If a group of citizens are offended by material in a certain book, and as a majority they ask to have it removed from a library, then they are banning a book? Like it or not, the majority of humans are not gay, and they do not want that agenda pushed on their children through a cuddly little book.

So let me get this straight. Having a book in a library is pushing an agenda? Would you have to rent the book and push it yourself? or is its mere presence causing your child to view all people equally?

Either way, pushing cuddly little books on children sounds like fun. Maybe a tall stack of cuddly little book?
 
2009-10-01 03:24:41 PM  
TheSignPost:

"Which proves that homosexuality is natural, man."

This is why stuff like this freaks out large portions of society. They maintain that homosexuality is 'unnatural,' yet it's found all over the natural world...

//Waiting for Rush, Beck or Coulter to write a children's book about a red monkey who thought he was born in Hawaii but was really born in Kenya...//
 
2009-10-01 03:25:15 PM  
DontMakeMeComeBackThere

In the context of this thread, you just might have the best user name ever. Are you a penguin?
 
2009-10-01 03:25:46 PM  
Uh oh, from the Amazon reviews:

"This is a great book about diversity and acceptance. We keep it on the coffee table. My gay lover typically reads it aloud while I am performing special acts on him. Well as you know, Penguins feed their young by holding the yummy goodness in their mouths until they reach land. Well Bill and I have this special little thing we like to do called the Hot Tango... READ MORE."
 
2009-10-01 03:26:54 PM  
Devil's Playground: I knew full well that I would get labeled as a bigot when I posted my above comment. I am not a bigot. My oldest daughter is 29 and gay. I love her and her partner, and I wish they could get married to enjoy the benefits that would provide them. I am just saying that in any community there are accepted values, and the values of that community should be respected. If a person lives in a community where this book is not wanted in a public library, then just go and buy your child the book. And yes, democracy is mob mentality. It is two wolves and a sheep deciding what is for dinner.

But it's wrong. If the majority jumped off a bridge, would you jump too?

It's really that simple.
 
Ant
2009-10-01 03:27:30 PM  
myspamhere: I stopped reading it to her when the two penguins build a nest together and put a rock in it rather than an egg that the male-female penguin pairs had.

I'm still not sure where the inappropriateness is in that. Did they have penguin buttsecks, or something?
 
2009-10-01 03:27:57 PM  
Devil's Playground: And yes, democracy is mob mentality. It is two wolves and a sheep deciding what is for dinner.

No it isn't. It's the shepherd erecting hoardings labelling all wolves terrorists and encouraging the sheep to barrack town hall meetings. Or something.

Either way, books are not banned thanks to community consensus, they're banned because the loudest and most self-righteous make life a misery for the relevant authorities and it's easier to acquiesce than to bring down the wrath of 'news' channel talking heads on your community.
 
2009-10-01 03:29:37 PM  
Devil's Playground: So, let me get this straight. If a group of citizens are offended by material in a certain book, and as a majority they ask to have it removed from a library, then they are banning a book? Like it or not, the majority of humans are not gay, and they do not want that agenda pushed on their children through a cuddly little book.

Also, if a place in this country with a non-Christian majority chose to remove the Bible from its libraries, you'd be okay with that?
 
2009-10-01 03:30:00 PM  
I know I speak for inbred, trailer-dwelling rednecks everywhere when I ask, "What the hell is wrong with war and torture?"

/don't be gay
 
2009-10-01 03:30:33 PM  
LeafyGreens:
And finally, what homosexuals might look like:


The guy in the sailor hat is hot. 0.o

Excuse me I need to wipe up some drool.
 
2009-10-01 03:31:37 PM  
Dahne: I like my library because they have Preacher in the youth section.

Which section? That sounds like sodomy.
 
2009-10-01 03:31:43 PM  
What about the Jerk Penguin?
http://tinyurl.com/ydw5o2j
(copy and paste)
 
2009-10-01 03:31:47 PM  
Ant: myspamhere: I stopped reading it to her when the two penguins build a nest together and put a rock in it rather than an egg that the male-female penguin pairs had.

I'm still not sure where the inappropriateness is in that. Did they have penguin buttsecks, or something?


I hope so otherwise I couldn't fap to it.
 
2009-10-01 03:32:05 PM  
boobsrgood: I know I speak for inbred, trailer-dwelling rednecks everywhere when I ask, "What the hell is wrong with war and torture?"

/don't be gay


That type of love is disgusting. Now which nation full of brown kids can we pillage next?
 
2009-10-01 03:32:10 PM  
Devil's Playground: ...democracy is mob mentality. It is two wolves and a sheep deciding what is for dinner.

No, it isn't, though if that were the case, you should be glad the United States is a federal republic. To protect against the tyranny of the majority.
 
2009-10-01 03:32:34 PM  
Who cares ?
 
2009-10-01 03:34:03 PM  
Beertender: myspamhere: Hey I just got a book from the library 'Penguin Pole Dancers make Money' just for kids,
and
"Penguins makes vinger/baking soda bombs'
and
"penguin daddy is a con-artist and is happy"

I insist that YOU read them to your kids.

As much as you object to strawmen, I find it very interesting that you just constructed the first three I've seen in this thread.


Maybe you should look into what the term means. I did not assign a false belief that my 'debate opponents' have. I only postulated on the existence of other children books that some may find disturbing, yet some may feel are perfectly valid books
 
Ant
2009-10-01 03:34:08 PM  
j0ndas: "Sexual orientation" is shaped by culture and life events, not genetics as many people would have you believe

So you're a molecular biologist now?

But even if it were completely social conditioning, who farking cares? Why does it matter so much?
 
2009-10-01 03:37:00 PM  
DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Ah yes, once again the assumption that NOBODY can concern themselves with ANYTHINGMINOR BULLSHIAT until they first deal with whatever thing IANYONE WITH A FUNCTIONING BRAIN WOULD deem the MOST IMPORTANT first.

Because book banning is somehow more important than any of the other things mentioned in the headline.
 
2009-10-01 03:37:07 PM  
WFern:
Also, if a place in this country with a non-Christian majority chose to remove the Bible from its libraries, you'd be okay with that?

Of course I would be okay with that. First, I am not religious in any sense of the word, and second, The bible does not belong in a library.

Again, I am not against gays. My point was not that the book should be banned, rather that it is up to each community to decide what it wants on the library shelves.
 
2009-10-01 03:39:45 PM  
myspamhere: Beertender: myspamhere: Hey I just got a book from the library 'Penguin Pole Dancers make Money' just for kids,
and
"Penguins makes vinger/baking soda bombs'
and
"penguin daddy is a con-artist and is happy"

I insist that YOU read them to your kids.

As much as you object to strawmen, I find it very interesting that you just constructed the first three I've seen in this thread.

Maybe you should look into what the term means. I did not assign a false belief that my 'debate opponents' have. I only postulated on the existence of other children books that some may find disturbing, yet some may feel are perfectly valid books


Right. You constructed straw men (your three fictional books) and pushed them at your opponents, with the intention that they would knock them down, thereby (falsely) validating your point against the gay penguin book. Pretty much the textbook definition of a straw man argument. Considering that you have incorrectly accused at least two others of creating a straw man and you yourself have actually done it and denied it, I'm pretty sure you are the person that needs to look up the term.
 
2009-10-01 03:40:05 PM  
You know what a gay penguins favorite meal is?

That's right. Fish Sticks.
 
Ant
2009-10-01 03:41:37 PM  
Devil's Playground: So, let me get this straight. If a group of citizens are offended by material in a certain book, and as a majority they ask to have it removed from a library, then they are banning a book? Like it or not, the majority of humans are not gay, and they do not want that agenda pushed on their children through a cuddly little book.

...and as we all know, the majority is always on the correct side, morally speaking.
 
2009-10-01 03:44:43 PM  
myspamhere: Beertender: myspamhere: Hey I just got a book from the library 'Penguin Pole Dancers make Money' just for kids,
and
"Penguins makes vinger/baking soda bombs'
and
"penguin daddy is a con-artist and is happy"

I insist that YOU read them to your kids.

As much as you object to strawmen, I find it very interesting that you just constructed the first three I've seen in this thread.

Maybe you should look into what the term means. I did not assign a false belief that my 'debate opponents' have. I only postulated on the existence of other children books that some may find disturbing, yet some may feel are perfectly valid books


For someone who clearly does not understand what the term means, you excel at using them.
 
Ant
2009-10-01 03:44:58 PM  
WFern: Bigoted mob mentality /= democracy.

Actually, that is democracy. That's why I'm glad to live in a democratic republic.
 
2009-10-01 03:45:16 PM  
Beertender: myspamhere: Beertender: myspamhere: Hey I just got a book from the library 'Penguin Pole Dancers make Money' just for kids,
and
"Penguins makes vinger/baking soda bombs'
and
"penguin daddy is a con-artist and is happy"

I insist that YOU read them to your kids.

As much as you object to strawmen, I find it very interesting that you just constructed the first three I've seen in this thread.

Maybe you should look into what the term means. I did not assign a false belief that my 'debate opponents' have. I only postulated on the existence of other children books that some may find disturbing, yet some may feel are perfectly valid books

Right. You constructed straw men (your three fictional books) and pushed them at your opponents, with the intention that they would knock them down, thereby (falsely) validating your point against the gay penguin book. Pretty much the textbook definition of a straw man argument. Considering that you have incorrectly accused at least two others of creating a straw man and you yourself have actually done it and denied it, I'm pretty sure you are the person that needs to look up the term.


I beg to differ, If I would have said 'The gays want this book to have sex with your kids' that IS a straw man, but what I did is the exact same thing that someone else said to me, that 'disco meth orgies' were what I objected to in this book.
If your going to accuse me of not knowing what a straw-man is then please be consistent about it.
 
2009-10-01 03:46:25 PM  
WFern: Postal Penguin: Do people actually believe that reading a book on gays will make them gay?


/Maybe they are actually just terrified their kids inherited their own gay genes

The biggest complaints I've heard are that these books "promote" homosexuality, whatever that means.


I think it means showing gay couples as normal. There are some who are fine if you portray them as deviants.

There's also the idea of promoting the idea that it's okay to "try out" being gay, or whatever. Which I'm sure horrifies at least some people.

I suppose there are at least some who think you can be "turned gay". Maybe you can (you can certainly choose your actions whether or not they correlate to internal feelings). Again, I'm sure there are people living in fear of this.
 
Ant
2009-10-01 03:47:39 PM  
myspamhere: Hey I just got a book from the library 'Penguin Pole Dancers make Money' just for kids,
and
"Penguins makes vinger/baking soda bombs'
and
"penguin daddy is a con-artist and is happy"

I insist that YOU read them to your kids.


Talk about a straw man argument!
 
2009-10-01 03:49:13 PM  
Ant: Devil's Playground: So, let me get this straight. If a group of citizens are offended by material in a certain book, and as a majority they ask to have it removed from a library, then they are banning a book? Like it or not, the majority of humans are not gay, and they do not want that agenda pushed on their children through a cuddly little book.

...and as we all know, the majority is always on the correct side, morally speaking.


Interesting implication. So how do you ascertain when the majority's values are incorrect? What yardstick are you judging them with? Is it some kind of divine law? Because if it isn't, then it is simply the values of some minority. And, if man is the measure of all things, as the Greek philosopher Polybius said, why should we subordinate the larger measure (the majority) to a smaller one (a minority)?

You'd better be careful before coming out against the majority's judgments. Someone is going to take you for a Bible thumper.
 
2009-10-01 03:50:02 PM  
Devil's Playground: So, let me get this straight. If a group of citizens are offended by material in a certain book, and as a majority they ask to have it removed from a library, then they are banning a book? Like it or not, the majority of humans are not gay, and they do not want that agenda pushed on their children through a cuddly little book.

As a majority of what? Was the issue ever put to a vote? Who would comprise the electorate?

Not to mention the fact that the contents of libraries are not elected officials. I suppose you could get the issue on a referendum in your community, but that's the only way you're going to get any kind of "majority" to vote on the issue.
 
Ant
2009-10-01 03:50:04 PM  
Fano: I love my dead gay son!

I wonder how you'd feel about a son who had a limp wrist with a pulse...
 
2009-10-01 03:52:31 PM  
OscarTamerz: Homosexual penguins are perfectly normal just like bears and lions that practice infanticide and cannibalism are perfectly normal. Do you want to be around people that practice infanticide and cannibalism no matter how normal it may be is the real question.

Okay, I'll bite.

You're comparing apples and chainsaws here.

Homosexual penguins, just like homosexual humans, are the outlier for their species. The majority of penguins engage in heterosexual behavior, or else their species would not continue. However, some penguins for whatever reason decide to pair with a mate of their own gender. This is not the norm for their species. If it were, there would be no penguins.

The rest of the behaviors you mentioned are normal for those species, and generally have to do with reducing competition and increasing individual reproductive success.
 
2009-10-01 03:52:43 PM  
iollow: WFern: Postal Penguin:

I suppose there are at least some who think you can be "turned gay". Maybe you can (you can certainly choose your actions whether or not they correlate to internal feelings).



Shhhhh..such blasphempy will get you stoned around here.
Now be a good sheep and laugh at the penguin from hell reference.

www.nisamerica.com
 
2009-10-01 03:53:06 PM  
myspamhere: Beertender: myspamhere: Beertender: myspamhere: Hey I just got a book from the library 'Penguin Pole Dancers make Money' just for kids,
and
"Penguins makes vinger/baking soda bombs'
and
"penguin daddy is a con-artist and is happy"

I insist that YOU read them to your kids.

As much as you object to strawmen, I find it very interesting that you just constructed the first three I've seen in this thread.

Maybe you should look into what the term means. I did not assign a false belief that my 'debate opponents' have. I only postulated on the existence of other children books that some may find disturbing, yet some may feel are perfectly valid books

Right. You constructed straw men (your three fictional books) and pushed them at your opponents, with the intention that they would knock them down, thereby (falsely) validating your point against the gay penguin book. Pretty much the textbook definition of a straw man argument. Considering that you have incorrectly accused at least two others of creating a straw man and you yourself have actually done it and denied it, I'm pretty sure you are the person that needs to look up the term.

I beg to differ, If I would have said 'The gays want this book to have sex with your kids' that IS a straw man, but what I did is the exact same thing that someone else said to me, that 'disco meth orgies' were what I objected to in this book.
If your going to accuse me of not knowing what a straw-man is then please be consistent about it.


If you said, "The gays want this book to have sex with your kids," I would suspect you didn't speak English and/or you had brain damage. (Checks profile.) Oh. You're from Florida. Never mind.

/Ad hominem
 
2009-10-01 03:54:46 PM  
outlanderreader: Ant: Devil's Playground: So, let me get this straight. If a group of citizens are offended by material in a certain book, and as a majority they ask to have it removed from a library, then they are banning a book? Like it or not, the majority of humans are not gay, and they do not want that agenda pushed on their children through a cuddly little book.

...and as we all know, the majority is always on the correct side, morally speaking.

Interesting implication. So how do you ascertain when the majority's values are incorrect? What yardstick are you judging them with? Is it some kind of divine law? Because if it isn't, then it is simply the values of some minority. And, if man is the measure of all things, as the Greek philosopher Polybius said, why should we subordinate the larger measure (the majority) to a smaller one (a minority)?

You'd better be careful before coming out against the majority's judgments. Someone is going to take you for a Bible thumper.


I realize you're speaking hypothetically, but in this case, there has been no determination of a "majority" viewpoint, or even what subset of the population gets to vote on the issue of ...um, gay penguins.
 
Ant
2009-10-01 03:54:49 PM  
Devil's Playground: And yes, democracy is mob mentality. It is two wolves and a sheep deciding what is for dinner.

Yes, but with our democratic republic, it's still two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner, but sheep is not on the menu.
 
2009-10-01 03:55:37 PM  
myspamhere: This is not just a kids book, it is in the section for very young kids. (5 and under) This type of subject is clearly not appropriate for kids of this age.

I'm not sure if you are serious. If you aren't, good jorb.

If you are... then I completely agree. I caught one of my kids being tolerant the other day. You can bet your sweet ass that won't happen again.
 
2009-10-01 03:56:03 PM  
myspamhere: Marley'sGirl: myspamhere: My sister-in-law got this book from the library in a group of about 5 books. She got them for us to read to our 4 year niece as we watched her for a week. I had no idea about this book, and started to read it to her. When I got the the part about the 2 boy penguins didn't like the girl penguins, but liked each other, I stopped reading it to her, and told her I don't like this book.

This is not just a kids book, it is in the section for very young kids. (5 and under) This type of subject is clearly not appropriate for kids of this age.
When I told my sister-in-law, she was upset that that this kind of book was in the very young kids section too, and that she checked it out for her daughter.

This should be made a 'behind the counter' book at least. If you want it ask for it, but do not make it available to be picked up accidentally. Not all people feel the 'family values' in this book should be instilled in young children.

So did it work? Is the kid gay yet? Don't leave us hanging here.

Can you say 'Straw Man Argument'?


Now, the world don't move to the beat of just one drum,
What might be right for you, may not be right for some.
A man is born, he's a man of means.
Then along come two, they got nothing but their jeans.

But they got, Diff'rent Strokes.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.
 
2009-10-01 03:56:24 PM  
Whodat?: Can penguins really even be "gay" in the sense we think of it? I mean, two males raise a chick. Fine. Does that mean they're gay? Or are they just two dumb penguins doing what penguins do (raise chicks) because they can? In much the same way that we find, say, a mom and her mom raising a kid. That doesn't make them lesbians.

You're hitting on an interesting discussion. Certainly gayness exists in animals, anywhere from sex, to attempts at sex, to couples that form pair-bond relationships that are usually reserved for opposite-sex couples. It's mostly birds and mammals.

But the idea that they are gay in the same way humans are - we can describe our inner feelings very complexly, I don't think we could possible describe animals in that way. But - the same is true for intellect. We describe smart animals even though they're not smart in the way humans are. In that sense I don't think it's really possible to compare gayness in animals in a way that fully encompasses how humans experience it.
 
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