Alberto Gonzalez and who else?

Jeb Bush's wife.

That guy.
Tu sabes quien.

Carlos Mencia?

SeismicJizzer: RockIsDead: If color doesn't matter why does the Left keep bringing it up?

because the coloreds don't vote republican? It's an Southern white party these days...

RockIsDead: If color doesn't matter why does the Left keep bringing it up?

Hispanic is a color? WTF are you babbling about?

RockIsDead: If color doesn't matter why does the Left keep bringing it up?

Because we're amused that the Republicans keep shooting themselves in the foot by demonizing the fastest growing voting block. When even George W. Bush realizes that your course of action is stupid and self-destructive, you're pretty far gone.

Mordant: who wouldn't appreciate a free boat trip and a guaranteed new job ?

A trip, a job, occasional food and beatings, AND a new name/identity...like an early version of the Foreign Legion!!!

Mordant: who wouldn't appreciate a free boat trip and a guaranteed new job ?

I guess the chains were to keep them from falling overboard?

RockIsDead: If color doesn't matter why does the Left keep bringing it up?

Because real liberals love racism and will do anything to get a GOTCHA on the other party. It's real grown up.

dstrick44: ...And Pat Buchanan wants to know where's the gratitude from the African American community for bringing them to America in the first place.
And I'm not kidding about any of this.

And I thought you were kidding me about this (new window)

I think you can safely vote for any primary or general opponent and you will be voting for better.

You could vote for Peanuts the Rape Monkey and he would cause lest problems.

Joliet_Jake: Despite being progressive social justice warriors, my friends and I still go to KFC every year on the last day of Black History month.

KFC is the wigger's fried chicken joint. You guys should be going to Popeye's

Race drives liberals, you mean...

In much the same way that liberals drive you. Disappointingly they drive you to shiat in your own mouth and then post on the internet.

TheJoe03: Hasn't the Republican party been based on divisive wedge issues for a couple decades?

And thanks to low overhead and high volume, profiting handsomely, too

Gato Negro: TheJoe03: Funny a Right Winger complains of the divisiveness of liberals. Hasn't the Republican party been based on divisive wedge issues for a couple decades?


No.

The American Taliban (aka the Religious Right) would like a word with you, Gato. You are requested to report to Dr. Dobson's office as soon as possible.

The American Taliban (aka the Religious Right) would like a word with you, Gato. You are requested to report to Dr. Dobson's office as soon as possible.

It's hardly worth it, after posting the hilarious cartoon he'll be masturbating into a sock by now.

You simply can't argue with anyone who doesn't think that the Republicans have successfully driven supporters to the polls using gay marriage, abortion and gun control. It's Karl Rove, the greatest Republican strategist of all time's, stated strategy.

On the plus side I'm tired and bored and Tokyo so watching the closed head injury victims helps keep me awake.

Gato Negro: TheJoe03: Funny a Right Winger complains of the divisiveness of liberals. Hasn't the Republican party been based on divisive wedge issues for a couple decades?

Gato Negro: No.

GWSuperfan: The American Taliban (aka the Religious Right) would like a word with you, Gato.


Sure.

Right after I finish getting lectured by...

/i.e. the 'african-american' religious left

Last time I checked, Jesse Jackson and Rev. Wright weren't unilaterally dictating who the Vice Presidential nominee would be to the Democratic Party. Your false equivalence is false.

You know, maybe it's where I've lived and the circles I've moved in, but I see just as much racial animosity in Democratic voters as Republican voters. Maybe it's different on the national level, but as far as grassroots stuff, the rank and file, it all looks the same to me.

I've also seen tolerance on both sides, for race, sexuality, religion, et cetera.

and most of what I've seen is "false justification", based on a few experiences. Trying to solve the problem with more racism such as affirmative action doesn't help. I realize that much of that isn't in force anymore, nor was it as far reaching as some people thought. But the problem is that perception is reality. If people think that others are getting a bigger piece of the pie because of their skin color, it's going to breed animosity.

Any thoughts?

/wishes there was an instant solution to the problem
//also wishes people would realize it's not a simple "right vs left" issue

Funny story about Jeb Bush's wife. The word is that since she's so short, when she gets mad at Jeb she's known to climb on a chair so she can look him in the eye and ream him out in Spanish.

Oh, and that time when she got busted for not declaring all of her purchases to customs when she got back from a shopping trip to Paris? Apparently nobody that knows her believes the story that she didn't declare it all because she was afraid to let Jeb know how much she spent, because she's the one who wears the pants in that relationship.

The only three I can think of off of the top of my head subby are the three maids that work for the Bush family; However, I demand to see their papers.

heap:
on top of the number shift, it's worth taking into consideration...

The Bush campaigns worked really hard on the Hispanic vote, taking advantage of his ability to speak Spanish fluently about as well as he speaks English.

printboy: Comcast in Talks to Buy NBC-Universal from General Electric

Now I know why Keith Olbermann has been off the air so much lately....

I guess the investigation on Acorn has finally hit the propaganda unit of NBC....

So, submit it as a thread.

Why do you continue to threadshiat? Who encourages this?

Why are you so impatient as to not wait for a moment when it works well with the conversation at hand?

Has your doctor prescribed Ritalin? Are you taking it?

Lenny_da_Hog: heap:
on top of the number shift, it's worth taking into consideration...

The Bush campaigns worked really hard on the Hispanic vote, taking advantage of his ability to speak Spanish fluently about as well as he speaks English.

For his many faults, Dubya was actually quite far from the rest of his party when it came to Hispanic related issues. Having to be governor of a state that deals constantly with Hispanic issues will do that to you, despite your best intentions, I guess.

Notabunny: dstrick44: ...And Pat Buchanan wants to know where's the gratitude from the African American community for bringing them to America in the first place.
And I'm not kidding about any of this.

And I thought you were kidding me about this (new window)

It's not your fault. The GOP is getting so ridiculous these days that the Dave Barry Disclaimer "and I'm not making this up" has to be trotted out FAR too regularly

Lenny_da_Hog: heap:
on top of the number shift, it's worth taking into consideration...

The Bush campaigns worked really hard on the Hispanic vote, taking advantage of his ability to speak Spanish fluently about as well as he speaks English.

To me that was perhaps the funniest and most under-noticed flip-flop of the entire Bush presidency. During 2000 and most his early presidency, Bush went out his way to demonstrate his fluency in Spanish, showing his connection to hispanic voters


Then in 2006 when the GOP was trying to desperately make immigration a "wedge issue", a whole controversy erupted over people saying the pledge of alliegance in (horrors) Spanish and how horribly unamerican that was. then accounts surfaced of the president attending multiple events where he himself recited the pledge in Spanish.

The White House's response to that story? "Impossible" , they said, the president simply didn't know enough spanish to have said the pledge, they asserted. "But what about all the times he claimed to be fluent?", the press asked, "all the times he used spanish inhis speeches and with world leaders like Vincente Fox?"

OH, he was basically bullshiatting, the White House said, he was trying to look like he knew it, but really he doesn't.


Really, Scott McClellan said that in nearly those words, You can look it up.

printboy: Comcast in Talks to Buy NBC-Universal from General Electric

Now I know why Keith Olbermann has been off the air so much lately....

I guess the investigation on Acorn has finally hit the propaganda unit of NBC....

Or, he announces sports as well, Acorn is a flawed but extremely valuable charitable organization that helps people, and you're an idiot...?

Epoch_Zero:
Or, he announces sports as well.

Actually, he announced that his Dad was in poor health, and that he'd be taking more time off over the next couple of weeks to be with him.

Davey Croquette: and white's don't want them

Want to explain the reason for"White Flight" and a Gated Neighborhood, then?

Frank Booth: It's not the same all over, but here in Chicago it is very much segregated. Here in Chicago people will pay 2x as much money to live in a "safe" neighborhood with similar crime rates to a minority neighborhood.

Chicago has entire areas of the city that are nearly 100% homogenous racial compositions.

Link (new window)

Careful, you're opening up room for an illogical Acorn tantrum...

Polly Ester: Hispanic republicans like the Cubans in Florida or land owners in New Mexico?
Aside from the illegal aliens, exactly what Hispanic group belongs to Democrats?

You might want to get a new poltical atlas and throw away that one you have from 1979

The old right-wing Batistos who dominated the poltical scene in the Cuban community in Miami are all either dead now, or have finally realized they just ain't ever getting their family's hacienda back. Most of the current crop of Cubanos are a combination of 2nd gen Americans and Murielistas. As such they tend to be left-leaning and actually favor opening up relations with Cuba and dropping sanctions so they can see friends and family left behind and send them a little money now and then. The Dominican community in Florida is actually now larger than the Cuban one and thery are all solidly democratic

The huge Hispanic communities along the east coast of the US are mostly Salvadorans, Honduran, Guatamaelan and Costa Ricans, Salvadorans, and Puerto Ricans. Like most urban lower middle-class, they too vote solidly democratic, as are teh Mexicans and Slavadoran communities in Chicago. In California and the Southwest US the GOP's push to make immigration a wedge issue to save them from an ass-whooping in the '06 elections backfired, and aleinated most of the traditional GOP voting blocs among rural and suburban Hispanics in Texas, Arizona, NM , California, etc


so basically the GOp by their ineptitutde, took the fastest-growing demographic in America and turned them from a divided swing bloc to a group that is on te whole, as solidly and reliably democratic as African-Americans. Congratulations GOP!

The Why Not Guy: TheShavingofOccam123: there are plenty of hispanics, latinas, latinos and others who resent the presence of millions of illegal aliens in this country.

Response One: and what did the Republicans do to address the issue of illegal immigration when they were in power? Be specific, please.

Response Two: I'll bet they also resent a lot of the racist language coming from the GOP even if they agree on the issues.

yeah, for some funny reason Hispanics took it kind of personal when people started screaming about saying the Pledge of Allegiance in spanish, and right-wing talk show hosts openly advocated attacking anyone seen carrying a Mexican flag during a Cinco de Mayo celebration, and the "Minutemen" seemed just a little too happy to shoot brown people and just a little to cozy with groups like Stormfront.

Frank Booth: Davey Croquette Quote 2009-10-01 10:31:14 AM
I'll believe racism is gone when white people start integrating in black neighborhoods

That's just stupid. First because blacks and whites share neighborhoods all over the place and second because it presumes blacks would want to live in white neighborhoods and white's don't want them.

If blacks, Poles, Greeks, Danes, Irish, whomever, decide to live together they are doing it for some mix of social and racial reasons. That's not to say they are racist because choosing where one lives is an element of freedom. Denying someone the right to live where they choose based on their race is racism.

See the difference? It's not subtle.

It's not the same all over, but here in Chicago it is very much segregated. Here in Chicago people will pay 2x as much money to live in a "safe" neighborhood with similar crime rates to a minority neighborhood.

Chicago has entire areas of the city that are nearly 100% homogenous racial compositions.

Link (new window)


Unless you've lived there it is very easy to misunderstand Chicago. Chicago is NOT one very large city, it is really a group of small towns that are all run by the same municipal adminstration. If you live in Chicago, you would never say "I live in Chicago" to a local, you would say "I live in" Uptown, or Andersonville, or Lakeview, or Saint Ben's, etc etc because each neighborhood has their own character and demogrpahics. This is far less, in my experience, about racism, than it is for the immigrants desire for something familiar.

Thus when I lived in Uptown, near the Argyle El, the nieghborhood behind me wasn't "hispanic" or "latino" it was "Mexican" and in fact more mexicans live in Chicago than any other city int he world except Mexico city. The Street in front of me wasn't Chinese (there was a Chinatown in the city) or Vietnamese (likewise a Little Saigon) but composed of The ethnic Chinese who lived in Vietnam but became refugees after the Vietnam war- yes the demographic really was that specific (The Chinese are somewhat like the eastern hemisphere's answer to Jews. They tend to be opresent as a significant and identifieable minority in most asain countries, and tend to be prosperous in business and somewhat insular- and as such the tagets of frequent discrimination).

But yes, there used to virulent discrimination in Chicago, and to a lesser extent the nearby Suburbs, which is largely gone now (with the exception of Mob-controlled Cicerco where the Eye-talians are none to happy about being pushed out demographically by Hispanic groups moving in) Some fo the note cases in law school on "blockbusting" and racially restrictive deeds all came from chicago neighborhoods.

However the original Mayor Daley and some other very smart people realized that the #1 cause of white flight wasn't so much racism per se, as a fear (that became a self-fufilling prophecy) that if blacks moved in, property values would plummet. (so reliable was this that sneaky developers would hire black people to move into neighborhoods they wanted to buy up cheap)

So they instituted a city-run insurance program that guaranteed the value of houses in integrated neighborhoods for 5 years. Oncce peopel realized the sky WOULDN'T fall the moment a black person moved into their neighborhood, people started relaxing a bit and a lot of the integration problems simply went away.

The Why Not Guy: SilentStrider: Alberto Gonzalez and who else?

I don't recall.

Win.