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(Atlanta Journal Constitution)   Obama has given over 120 media interviews in 8 months, plays golf almost every weekend, is spending 2 days in Denmark to lobby for 2016 Olympics - but has only talked to Gen. McChrystal, Afghanistan commander, 1 time in 70 days   (blogs.ajc.com ) divider line 762
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2009-09-29 01:11:22 AM  
Bush spent 977 days at Camp David and Crawford.

That's over 2 and a half years.

And I'm sure bringing the Olympics to the United States would do nothing for our economy.
 
2009-09-29 01:14:18 AM  

Etchy333: Bush spent 977 days at Camp David and Crawford.

That's over 2 and a half years.

And I'm sure bringing the Olympics to the United States would do nothing for our economy.



And yet Bush still managed to talk to his theater commanders pretty much weekly.

You display a stunning capacity for willfully missing a really obvious point, I must say.
 
2009-09-29 01:15:27 AM  

Etchy333: Bush spent 977 days at Camp David and Crawford.

[citation needed]

And I'm sure bringing the Olympics to the United States would do nothing for our economy.

Oh you bet. In fact it will do wonders for the construction and transportation companies (and unions) in Chicago.

Hey, wait a second....
 
2009-09-29 01:17:54 AM  
Oh Smitty...

lh3.ggpht.com
 
2009-09-29 01:20:56 AM  

Etchy333: Bush spent 977 days at Camp David and Crawford.


And I bet Bush never used the rather technologically advanced communications systems installed at both Presidential retreats to communicate with his Joint Chiefs, nor with the CINCs.
 
2009-09-29 01:22:36 AM  

MuadDib: And yet Bush still managed to talk to his theater commanders pretty much weekly.


We have a civilian-led military. Those commanders don't get jack shiat just because they are 'on-the-ground'.

Blindly following military advice led us into Iraq (Tommy Franks) and Vietnam. Wake the f*ck up.

General McChrystal is a rare General, he should be listened to. However, he does NOT dictate policy.

CINC will make the decision when he has to, and not based on Republican Think Tanks or military officers desperately trying to find a "victory."
 
2009-09-29 01:25:29 AM  

NewportBarGuy: MuadDib: And yet Bush still managed to talk to his theater commanders pretty much weekly.

We have a civilian-led military. Those commanders don't get jack shiat just because they are 'on-the-ground'.

Blindly following military advice led us into Iraq (Tommy Franks) and Vietnam. Wake the f*ck up.

General McChrystal is a rare General, he should be listened to. However, he does NOT dictate policy.

CINC will make the decision when he has to, and not based on Republican Think Tanks or military officers desperately trying to find a "victory."


I don't think anyone is trying to take away the President's authority.

But... do you think he might be better served by at least listening to their counsel?
 
2009-09-29 01:26:35 AM  
How many times has he met with McChrystal's boss?
 
2009-09-29 01:27:32 AM  
I've only talked to my buddy in Albuquerque one time in the past 70 days, but that doesn't mean we're not still friends. Besides, how many different ways are there to tell the President that it's hot & sandy with a lot of crazies running around?
 
2009-09-29 01:28:57 AM  
JacksBlack: And I bet Bush never used the rather technologically advanced communications systems installed at both Presidential retreats to communicate with his Joint Chiefs, nor with the CINCs.

Given how badly he farked up both wars that's a pretty good guess.
 
2009-09-29 01:32:34 AM  
FTFA: "I've talked to the president, since I've been here, once on a VTC [video teleconferece]." ~ Lt. Gen. Stanley McChrystal, on 60 Minutes

NewportBarGuy: We have a civilian-led military. Those commanders don't get jack sh*t just because they are 'on-the-ground'.


Of the above two comments, which one is more pitiful?
 
2009-09-29 01:38:22 AM  
I like how the Republicans have suddenly massively promoted this guy. He isn't in the direct communication lines to the White House, you know. Or actually you probably don't, but you seem to think you can attack Obama for this. Interesting how quickly you changed from "Never attack the Commander-in-Chief in the time of war" to "Never stop attacking the Commander-in-Chief no matter what."
 
2009-09-29 01:39:01 AM  

JacksBlack: But... do you think he might be better served by at least listening to their counsel?


He has. Jim Jones is the NSA. You don't think the President knows the situation? He's fully briefed. Forget health care, either giving 20,000 more, which he will do, or not, is a defining moment.

We f*cked up in not doing it right in 2003. Now we're fighting Afghanis, not Taleban and AQ. This is a serious decision and takes time.

Gato Negro: Of the above two comments, which one is more pitiful?


Oh.... Fark you, douchebag.
 
2009-09-29 01:47:27 AM  

NewportBarGuy: JacksBlack: But... do you think he might be better served by at least listening to their counsel?

He has.


Oh.

Well, um, it seem that the commander himself is claiming that he hasn't. He claims to have spoken to the President a total of one time(s).

I know for a fact that my job is not nearly as consequential as a war, and I speak face to face with my boss at least twice a week.
 
2009-09-29 01:49:35 AM  
GAT_00: I like how the Republicans have suddenly massively promoted this guy. He isn't in the direct communication lines to the White House, you know.


Exactly.

Why should Obama give a sh*t about this guy?
 
2009-09-29 01:53:56 AM  

JacksBlack: [citation needed]


http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/01/16/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4728085 . shtml
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Oh you bet. In fact it will do wonders for the construction and transportation companies (and unions) in Chicago.

Hey, wait a second....



Unions! ACORN! Be afraid! Booga booga booga!

/Haliburton

MuadDib: And yet Bush still managed to talk to his theater commanders pretty much weekly.


[citation needed]
 
2009-09-29 01:54:25 AM  
Gato Negro: NewportBarGuy: We have a civilian-led military. Those commanders don't get jack sh*t just because they are 'on-the-ground'.

Of the above two comments, which one is more pitiful?


Yours?
 
2009-09-29 01:58:42 AM  

JacksBlack: NewportBarGuy: JacksBlack: But... do you think he might be better served by at least listening to their counsel?

He has.

Oh.

Well, um, it seem that the commander himself is claiming that he hasn't. He claims to have spoken to the President a total of one time(s).

I know for a fact that my job is not nearly as consequential as a war, and I speak face to face with my boss at least twice a week.


Which begs the question, how often does the General speak to HIS superior? I was under the impression that McChrystal actually reports to General Petraeus as Commander of US Central Command. And that sort of gets filtered through the Secretary of Defense as well.
 
2009-09-29 02:00:10 AM  

JacksBlack: Well, um, it seem that the commander himself is claiming that he hasn't. He claims to have spoken to the President a total of one time(s).

I know for a fact that my job is not nearly as consequential as a war, and I speak face to face with my boss at least twice a week.


Earth to you... The situation in A-stan is pretty much stable. There are two options. Increase troop numbers and go for Afghanization or drawdown and do it from the air and SOCCOM.

Nothing will change for 6 months or 6 years. Those are the two options. CINC makes that choice, not the brilliant general chosen for this mission. That's the way it works.

You can relax. He'll get 20,000 out of the 40,000 he requested. We'll do this dance again next year.
 
2009-09-29 02:00:58 AM  

Etchy333: Bush spent 977 days at Camp David and Crawford.

That's over 2 and a half years.

And I'm sure bringing the Olympics to the United States would do nothing for our economy.


but... but... Bush!!!
 
2009-09-29 02:05:56 AM  
NewportBarGuy: The situation in A-stan is pretty much stable.


Then why does everyone say that it isn't?
 
2009-09-29 02:06:00 AM  

HansensDisease: Gato Negro: NewportBarGuy: We have a civilian-led military. Those commanders don't get jack sh*t just because they are 'on-the-ground'.

Of the above two comments, which one is more pitiful?

Yours?


This!

Although I've been a lurker for years perhaps the most important lesson I've learned is that Gato Negro is completely incapable of addressing a point or even understanding what a point is. Take this thread for instance. MuadDib, JacksBlack, and Gato Negro all showed up to spout their contemptible gibberish designed to spite the people of Fark and they're all so retarded that they can't even agree with each other even though they seem to share a common purpose. Sad, really.
 
2009-09-29 02:06:13 AM  
Lemme not be the first to say, "Who gives a fark if he talked in person to the commander only 1 time in 70 days. Seeing as the chain of command is in place, he gets the messages he needs."
 
2009-09-29 02:06:51 AM  

NewportBarGuy: The situation in A-stan is pretty much stable.


Try again.
 
2009-09-29 02:07:34 AM  
Babyfeet: Take this thread for instance. MuadDib, JacksBlack, and Gato Negro all showed up to spout their contemptible gibberish designed to spite the people of Fark and they're all so retarded that they can't even agree with each other even though they seem to share a common purpose. Sad, really.

And all ignored the point that as of 8 months ago, they held the position that it was unpatriotic to criticize the President in a time of war, particularly on military matters.
 
2009-09-29 02:15:39 AM  
I'm still excited he's black!
 
2009-09-29 02:16:12 AM  

Ender's: Try again.


We're losing ground every day, it's a constant. It's a stable rate of decline.

We are losing every day we don't have a cogent mission. How is supporting the Karzai Goverment any different than supporting the Diem government?
 
2009-09-29 02:16:12 AM  

GAT_00: Babyfeet: Take this thread for instance. MuadDib, JacksBlack, and Gato Negro all showed up to spout their contemptible gibberish designed to spite the people of Fark and they're all so retarded that they can't even agree with each other even though they seem to share a common purpose. Sad, really.

And all ignored the point that as of 8 months ago, they held the position that it was unpatriotic to criticize the President in a time of war, particularly on military matters.


Who cares, honestly? I am so freaking tired of the old, "Your guy did it too, so it's ok that my guy is doing it now."

I understand this analogy isn't apropos precisely with what you're saying, but it's still tiring. Not judging you either as I do it myself. Meh.
 
2009-09-29 02:16:50 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Ender's: Try again.

We're losing ground every day, it's a constant. It's a stable rate of decline.

We are losing every day we don't have a cogent mission. How is supporting the Karzai Goverment any different than supporting the Diem government?


Just saying it's not stable. That's all.
 
2009-09-29 02:17:26 AM  
If you need to talk to the head honcho personally about what to do, even though you've got layers in between that are passing on info in both directions... you aren't very good at being a leader. Just sayin.

(maybe 1 in 70 is actually a compliment to his leadership ability, did anyone bother to think of that? huh?)
 
2009-09-29 02:18:23 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Ender's: Try again.

We're losing ground every day, it's a constant. It's a stable rate of decline.

We are losing every day we don't have a cogent mission. How is supporting the Karzai Goverment any different than supporting the Diem government?


Sorry, I see what you're trying to say now. You're saying that it's stably going down hill. I can grant you that point.
 
2009-09-29 02:20:01 AM  
Babyfeet: I've learned that Gato Negro is completely incapable of addressing a point or even understanding what a point is. Take this thread for instance.


So... did you have a point to make concering the linked article - i.e. the TOPIC of the thread?
 
2009-09-29 02:20:30 AM  

MuadDib: Etchy333: Bush spent 977 days at Camp David and Crawford.

That's over 2 and a half years.

And I'm sure bringing the Olympics to the United States would do nothing for our economy.


And yet Bush still managed to talk to his theater commanders pretty much weekly.

You display a stunning capacity for willfully missing a really obvious point, I must say.


Ya, and a whole lot of good it did anyone.
You think Obama doesn't get regular briefings?
He strikes me as the kind of guy to step aside and let people to get their work done.
You think Bush knew dick about running a war?
Probably wasted more time and caused more stress than anything.
How many theatre commanders did Bush go through?
How many has Obama gone through?
 
2009-09-29 02:23:40 AM  
Ender's: I understand this analogy isn't apropos precisely with what you're saying, but it's still tiring. Not judging you either as I do it myself. Meh.

I'm more judging people by their own standards. Which is really fun, actually.
 
2009-09-29 02:28:16 AM  
rcain: Obama strikes me as the kind of guy to step aside and let people to get their work done.


You got that right...

i34.tinypic.com
 
2009-09-29 02:30:38 AM  
Bush spent more time talking to the pit crews at the Daytona 500, than he did talking to the 9/11 commission.
 
2009-09-29 02:32:08 AM  

Gato Negro: Babyfeet: I've learned that Gato Negro is completely incapable of addressing a point or even understanding what a point is. Take this thread for instance.


So... did you have a point to make concering the linked article - i.e. the TOPIC of the thread?


Sure. I feel that as POTUS he has immense informational resources that a person enjoys only as head of state. That combined with the chain of command in the military where there are others in between the two commanders means he is fully aware of the situation even in the face of other pressing matters like health care. I think it was Mordant in a previous thread on this topic that stated something along the lines that Obama should've met with him exactly 7 times and all our problems would've been better. I can see where hearing more from the commander would be beneficial, but I fail to see how it's worth getting angry over.

Is that satisfactory enough for you? In my second ever politics post on this site I have already accomplished a better and more on topic response to the article or another person than I've seen you do ever. It would be nice if you could engage with the "leftists" and explain yourself better instead of throwing out insane remarks from off planet.
 
2009-09-29 02:34:04 AM  

Gato Negro: rcain: Obama strikes me as the kind of guy to step aside and let people to get their work done.


You got that right...


That's some farked up shiat you just posted there Mr Trolly McTrollsalot.
Personally, as an Obama voter, I eat pop-corm and jerk it, using the butter as lube while watching women get raped outside my high-rise.
 
2009-09-29 02:36:58 AM  

MuadDib: Etchy333: Bush spent 977 days at Camp David and Crawford.

That's over 2 and a half years.

And I'm sure bringing the Olympics to the United States would do nothing for our economy.


And yet Bush still managed to talk to his theater commanders pretty much weekly.

You display a stunning capacity for willfully missing a really obvious point, I must say.


I think the term you were looking for, is "asset managers".
 
2009-09-29 02:38:28 AM  
I wonder how often Obama has met with his Sec Def, who gives orders to the General?
 
2009-09-29 02:38:46 AM  
As long as there are reports, e-mails and other lines of communications, I don't think that personally talking to the president is that big of deal. There is actually the Pentagon, Secretary of Defense that are next in line.

Afghanistan is a world of shiat right now. Obamas got to step carefully.
 
2009-09-29 02:39:02 AM  

JacksBlack: But... do you think he might be better served by at least listening to their counsel?


You don't have to speak directly to someone to get their input.

The theater commanders send their reports up the chain. He gets the information in his briefings
 
2009-09-29 02:40:20 AM  

Abagadro: How many times has he met with McChrystal's boss?


General McChrystal's boss is General Petraeus, who is the US Central Command commander, and according to another interview, he's in talks with either SECDEF Gates or Obama "daily."
 
2009-09-29 02:42:27 AM  
Yet another non-issue story that's gonna be argued about for pages and pages. sigh
 
2009-09-29 02:49:15 AM  
Darth_Lukecash: Afghanistan is a world of sh*t right now. Obama's got to step carefully.


How about moving decisively? I thought that's what leaders DID.

What do community organizers do?
 
2009-09-29 02:50:09 AM  

Gato Negro: Darth_Lukecash: Afghanistan is a world of sh*t right now. Obama's got to step carefully.


How about moving decisively? I thought that's what leaders DID.

What do community organizers do?


hurp durp meep murp
 
2009-09-29 02:57:13 AM  

Gato Negro: How about moving decisively? I thought that's what leaders DID.


Hannity has his dick so far up your ass you can't even measure your response. Nice work!
 
2009-09-29 02:57:54 AM  

Gato Negro: How about I just suck on Glenn Beck's limp penis for a while? I thought that's what pathetic parasites like myself DID.

What type of dress should I wear while doing it?


Seriously, dude. Just try and avoid slobbing on anymore Republican knobs. The jizz is starting to crust up around your brain.
 
2009-09-29 03:08:19 AM  
NewportBarGuy: Hannity has his dick so far up your ass


What?

Dude, check it out. I think you are the barometer of angry liberal sentiment when it comes to the community organizer playing general. The fact that you lashed out so hard and so early in this thread speaks well to that old maxim: The truth hurts.

I've noticed that when liberals react with the most red-faced rage, it's in response to the truth - and the truth is, Obama isn't much of a general.
 
2009-09-29 03:24:37 AM  

Gato Negro: Darth_Lukecash: Afghanistan is a world of sh*t right now. Obama's got to step carefully.


How about moving decisively? I thought that's what leaders DID.

What do community organizers do?


Yeah, The Decider did great with Afghanistan. . .
 
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