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2009-09-28 11:49:04 AM
cherryl taggart: There is an on-line registry that we can use to locate the nearest 'predator.' Sure enough, there's a couple listed nearby. Funny thing, the address listed has since been developed, and is now a parking lot. Way to stay current, State.

OTOH, trying to determine exactly what these 'pervs' have been convicted of is an exercise in futility. I can't tell if any of them is pedobear approved, or guilty of being a high school success. And, keep in mind that most child abuse, sexual or not, is perpetrated by people known to and trusted by the child and/or parents.

Bottom line: this is why Georgia is so close to Florida. Pretty soon, we will have our own tag.


Out of curiosity, I did a search on my local area. The most confusing one yet is this:

"Conviction:
USE COMPUTR SEX W/MINOR; F.S. 847.0135(2) (PRINCIPAL)
  Conviction Date: 2/25/2005  Age at conviction: 27"

What is that, like using an iPod as a sex toy?
 
2009-09-28 11:49:26 AM
So first we make a sex offender list that makes no distinction between violent child rapists and non-violent pissing in public/sex with year or two year girlfriend. This effectively makes the list useless to tell whether or not your neighbor is actually a threat or a regular adult who got drunk in public.

Secondly, we make the list public, again without distinguishing between the two above categories leading to lives being ruined, likely driving productive members of society to be degenerates due to lost jobs and housing.

Then we restrict where these people can live, again without distinguishing the two categories, effectively making them homeless. And we all know that homelessness, joblessness and desperation will make for those released from prison productive members of society.

It seems that all these sex offender laws were specifically written to create repeat offenders that are driven underground, away from law enforcement. Few if any seem to be written to actually deal with the problem instead written to sound tough on crimes against children which garners easy votes. BRILLIANT.
 
2009-09-28 11:51:48 AM
GranoblasticMan: Out of curiosity, I did a search on my local area. The most confusing one yet is this:

"Conviction:
USE COMPUTR SEX W/MINOR; F.S. 847.0135(2) (PRINCIPAL)
Conviction Date: 2/25/2005 Age at conviction: 27"

What is that, like using an iPod as a sex toy?


Either someone had cybersex with a minor or there's a specific law about using the internet to set up dates with minors.
 
2009-09-28 11:51:51 AM
People with absolutely nothing left to lose tend to be our most law abiding citizens.
 
2009-09-28 11:53:13 AM
bluorangefyre: Right, because that's what Georgians need, having a sex offender living in the woods nearby homes and dragging their kids out there.

And yet ANOTHER reason why I'm glad to be out of that state!


Right, because that's totally what would happen. You know those dangerous sex predators and how they always, ALWAYS reoffend. In fact, they just can't stop once they start. It's constant child rape all the time, for ALL sex offenders.
 
2009-09-28 11:53:46 AM
Just the rich folks of the state of Georgia trying to drive their perverts out of their counties and into one of the less populated, surrounding counties. Keep your perverts and do something with them. Stop trying to force them to live near us rural folks. You want to live near the big city, face your big city problems. Jerks.
 
2009-09-28 11:54:18 AM
JeffreyScott: The idea behind the law was good. Ideally, it warns parents so they can be sure to monitor their children when they live in proximately to a sex offender. The problem is the definition of "sex offender" is too broad.

... except that the convicted ex-con kiddie diddler down the street is not terribly likely to reoffend. The real problem is that the sex offender most likely to molest the children is weird Uncle Bob or crazy grandpa. This shiat tends to run in families, and it also tends to get covered up within the family out of shame. And these laws do jack-all to stop that, but do make it tough for the ex-con to live anywhere or get a job, such that they're more likely to end up committing other crimes, such as burglary.
 
2009-09-28 11:54:23 AM
starrion: Wait till one of the forest dwellers attacks a kid and the locals show up with torches and pitchforks.


Are we SURE we are not going backwards?


Well, you did read the thread right? Mob justice is clearly the only way to deal with some crimes.
 
2009-09-28 11:55:59 AM
Aah, the morals of Fark. Where there's absolutely no difference between dragging a screaming child into the back of your van and forcibly violating them, and a loving, gentle, erotic and educational sexual relationship with a child.
 
2009-09-28 11:56:21 AM
thebigfingerbang: i'm in favor of an idea to publicly release all sex offenders from prison into a town square-type event with everyone in the town who cares being expected to show up. you can bring one baseball bat per person in attendance.

the sex offenders will have their full charges read aloud to the crowd. the offender then gets to speak and offer any details tha he deems relevant, or a simple plea for mercy if he thinks that's his only chance. afterwards, he has to walk through the crowd to a bus 200ft away. if the crowd thinks that the 19 year old who went to prison for farking his 16 year old girlfriend is cool, they let him walk. if not, well, that really, really sucks. sorry dude. HOWEVER... whenever mr. pedobelly with the sketchvan walks down the aisle after having his conviction read for molesting a couple kids under 10, he gets pummelled to death with baseball bats. if you make it to the bus, you're cool. debt to society is paid. that way, everything is left up to the community in which you live.

it's not a perfect system, sure, but neither is branding someone with an indecent exposure charge for pissing in some bushes a full-on sex offender either. i mean, i don't know about anybody else, but if i'm going to have to be permanently listed as a sex offender without having ever commited a real sexual offense, i'd probably just say fark it and go for broke and get my rapeface on.


Just think once we get this program going we can expand it to drunk drivers. Really give those MADD biatches something to do. Murderers, I know some of those familes really want justice. Embezzellers, Executives and small buisness owners would rejoice.

Man just think we could build a special arena for this event, maybe call it a colosium. Hell we could have massacure Mondays, no survivors. Lions tuesday, where the criminal just has to out run a hungry lion. Flame thrower Thursday, where the criminal just has to escape a maze of randomly shooting flame throwers.

What entertainment, what spectacle, remember to get your free bread on the way in.

Or we could pretend that we are a little more civilized then our primitive ancestors. I know it is hard for some of you Farkers, but hey that is why we make laws about and shiat. To drag your savage ass into the 21st century, grunting and crying all the way.
 
2009-09-28 11:56:29 AM
stryker4526: bluorangefyre: Right, because that's what Georgians need, having a sex offender living in the woods nearby homes and dragging their kids out there.

And yet ANOTHER reason why I'm glad to be out of that state!

Right, because that's totally what would happen. You know those dangerous sex predators and how they always, ALWAYS reoffend. In fact, they just can't stop once they start. It's constant child rape all the time, for ALL sex offenders.


Pedo-rape is the Pringles of felonies.
 
2009-09-28 11:59:05 AM
wyrlss: there's a specific law about using the internet to set up dates with minors.

This. It allows the feds to get jurisdiction over purely in-state crimes by saying they're using interstate phone lines, or using a device manufactured out of state.
You can see the same thing in the child porn statutes - 18 USC 2252 prohibits "the possession of sexually explicit depictions of minors if those depictions or the materials used to produce them were shipped in interstate commerce." So, your computer was manufactured in a different state, and you used it to edit the photograph (or in this case, set up a date with a teenager)? Then the feds have jurisdiction.
 
2009-09-28 11:59:09 AM
It would be the perfect spot for a shooting range:

www.tlhagalosi.co.za

/just get rid of them before someone else gets hurt due to stupidity.
 
2009-09-28 12:00:20 PM
Didn't anyone who supported these stupid laws have an ounce of foresight?

Can you imagine these "tough on crime" blowhards trying to sell this shiat today?

A. "We'll make sure those men don't live in our neighborhood!"

B. "Ok! Where will they go?"

A. "Uh...somewhere else!"

B. "Where?"

A. "The forest!"

B. "Wat? The forest doesn't have an address, how will you keep track of them? And is it really a good idea to intentionally create homeless people?"

A. "Why do you hate children?"
 
2009-09-28 12:03:07 PM
Another great example of passing laws in order to give the appearance of solving problems instead of actually solving them. Good job.
 
2009-09-28 12:06:22 PM
HotWingConspiracy: B. "Wat? The forest doesn't have an address, how will you keep track of them? And is it really a good idea to intentionally create homeless people?"

GPS coordinates.
 
2009-09-28 12:06:22 PM
~waiting out their probation sentences as they face numerous restrictions under one of the nation's toughest sex offender policies.

So, after probation is up, they return to society free and clear??

Confused.
 
2009-09-28 12:06:36 PM
No, letting sex offenders walk a gauntlet will not be effective. Especially as an instance in France where an entire town was convicted of being pedophiles.
 
2009-09-28 12:09:12 PM
HotWingConspiracy: Didn't anyone who supported these stupid laws have an ounce of foresight?

Can you imagine these "tough on crime" blowhards trying to sell this shiat today?

A. "We'll make sure those men don't live in our neighborhood!"

They can rape gnomes and other forest creatures.
B. "Ok! Where will they go?"

A. "Uh...somewhere else!"

B. "Where?"

A. "The forest!"

B. "Wat? The forest doesn't have an address, how will you keep track of them? And is it really a good idea to intentionally create homeless people?"

A. "Why do you hate children?"
 
2009-09-28 12:10:03 PM
If you're getting your freak on with a woman and for any reason, she says "stop," if you hit it even one more stroke, you're a sex offender. In fact, you can be guilty for just touching the sides on your way out.

Chew on that.
 
2009-09-28 12:10:34 PM
wyrlss: GranoblasticMan: Out of curiosity, I did a search on my local area. The most confusing one yet is this:

"Conviction:
USE COMPUTR SEX W/MINOR; F.S. 847.0135(2) (PRINCIPAL)
Conviction Date: 2/25/2005 Age at conviction: 27"

What is that, like using an iPod as a sex toy?

Either someone had cybersex with a minor or there's a specific law about using the internet to set up dates with minors.


You'd have to be pretty desperate to do it with a robot.
 
2009-09-28 12:11:58 PM
If only there was a way to avoid the persecutions that often befall sex offenders.
 
2009-09-28 12:12:54 PM
wyrlss: F.S. 847.0135(2)



Compiles, enters into, or transmits by use of computer; makes, prints publishes, or reproduces by other computerized means; knowingly causes or allows to be entered into or transmitted by use of computer; or buys sells, receives, exchanges or disseminates...any notice, statement, or advertisement of any minor's name, telephone number, place of residence, physical characteristics, or other descriptive or identifying information for purposes of facilitating, encouraging, offering, or soliciting sexual conduct of or with any minor, or the visual depiction of such conduct. Not a defense that undercover officer involved in detection. See 2007 changes below
 
2009-09-28 12:14:43 PM
i17.photobucket.com
What a sex offender may look like.
 
2009-09-28 12:17:35 PM
Somebody with common sense and the applicable power needs to go through and thoroughly scrub these sex offender laws.

Until then, I can't take them seriously as a whole.
 
2009-09-28 12:18:12 PM
Born_Again_Bavarian:
It has been mentioned before, but it is worth repeating........People who are convicted of sex crimes (Rapes, sexual assualt) have the 2nd lowest rate of recidivism (murder was the lowest).

Perhaps, but each case of a sex offender re-offending is a lot more harmful than each case of a mugger re-offending.
 
2009-09-28 12:22:22 PM
HAMMERTOE: If you're getting your freak on with a woman and for any reason, she says "stop," if you hit it even one more stroke, you're a sex offender. In fact, you can be guilty for just touching the sides on your way out.

Chew on that.


All the more reason to insist on a contract before starting.
 
2009-09-28 12:26:03 PM
Instead of rehabilitation, we just throw these offenders into prison for 'x' number of years and then ostracize them after they serve their time. Thanks to "tough on crime" initiatives, when finished serving their jail time, in some states they are forced to remain within a set geographic area that, coincidentally, doesn't allow for them to live other than in the woods or under a bridge. If anyone tries to improve the lives of these individuals, they are attacked as being weak on crime and possibly a closet pedophile.

Then we wonder why crime increases.
 
2009-09-28 12:26:09 PM
Another Government Employee: HAMMERTOE: If you're getting your freak on with a woman and for any reason, she says "stop," if you hit it even one more stroke, you're a sex offender. In fact, you can be guilty for just touching the sides on your way out.

Chew on that.

All the more reason to insist on a contract before starting.


Talk about killing the romance.

/i need to photocopy these forms first
 
2009-09-28 12:26:28 PM
Podna: Are these big bad sex offenders (real sexual assault minors ect) or peeing in public or being 18-19 with a 17 year old Girl friend?


EleventyOne: theres no difference in the blind justice's eyes


Actually, depending on the state, this is less and less true, thank God. I know most New England states have adjusted their sentencing guidelines to take into account the age proximity of the offender and the "victim" in statutory rape cases. A 43-year-old guy with a 15-y-o girl gets a much harsher sentence than a 19-y-o guy here in VT. The 19-y-o may not get any sentence at all - just a stern talking to.
 
2009-09-28 12:28:44 PM
I remember waking up late one night on the sofa beer splattered all over my chest and this creepy voice in my head reading fire-and-brimstones sermons. Turns out it was the local access cable channel that I must have turned to using my fat ass on the remote. Some church bought some time on the station late at night to read sermons and show pictures of all the sex offenders in my city including their name, residence, place of work, etc. Of course the curious missing information was the crime they were convicted of....

It's funny but I am actually kind of shocked that nobody has challenged the constitutionality of sex offender laws at the federal level. These laws are crazy and ineffective.
 
2009-09-28 12:29:18 PM
fyrewede: Podna: Are these big bad sex offenders (real sexual assault minors ect) or peeing in public or being 18-19 with a 17 year old Girl friend?


EleventyOne: theres no difference in the blind justice's eyes

Actually, depending on the state, this is less and less true, thank God. I know most New England states have adjusted their sentencing guidelines to take into account the age proximity of the offender and the "victim" in statutory rape cases. A 43-year-old guy with a 15-y-o girl gets a much harsher sentence than a 19-y-o guy here in VT. The 19-y-o may not get any sentence at all - just a stern talking to.


"Stern" as in "High five!"
 
2009-09-28 12:29:22 PM
HAMMERTOE: If you're getting your freak on with a woman and for any reason, she says "stop," if you hit it even one more stroke, you're a sex offender. In fact, you can be guilty for just touching the sides on your way out.

Chew on that.


Great. So the only "woman" I can safely have sex with is Octomom. That's just peachy.
 
2009-09-28 12:30:13 PM
The woods? That should make camping a hell of lot weirder for boys scouts.

/but at least you can pee in public in the woods
 
2009-09-28 12:32:11 PM
After having a serial killer caught camping behind my house, I am NOT getting a kick out of these replies.

They do need to go somewhere else.
 
2009-09-28 12:35:11 PM
As a DOC employee, I'm getting a kick...

Here in my state, we have a COSA program (Circles Of Support and Accountability) borrowed from Canada that has been extremely successful in preventing sex offenders from reoffending. Recidivism for offenders who participate in a COSA is cut by between 60 and 70 percent. In Corrections circles, that is a HUGE improvement. We're happy if we can cut recidivism by 25 or 30 percent most of the time.

Basically there are 5 communities with COSA's. Each sex offender has 4-5 people who volunteer to act as both a family member and a sponsor (like in AA) for that sex offender. The SO can call any of these people when they start feeling inclined to act on their urges. They spend holiday and other social time with these folks and the commitment is understood to be indefinite.

Most amazingly -- it works, and it doesn't cost the taxpayers hardly a dime. Georgia might want to look into implementing such a model as it might make people less frightened of having a sex offender living in their general vicinity.
 
2009-09-28 12:39:38 PM
18 year old males with a 17 year old girlfriend = pwned.
Or in many cases, 16 year old males and girls who have sex with each other.
 
2009-09-28 12:40:49 PM
fyrewede: As a DOC employee, I'm getting a kick...

Here in my state, we have a COSA program (Circles Of Support and Accountability) borrowed from Canada that has been extremely successful in preventing sex offenders from reoffending. Recidivism for offenders who participate in a COSA is cut by between 60 and 70 percent. In Corrections circles, that is a HUGE improvement. We're happy if we can cut recidivism by 25 or 30 percent most of the time.

Basically there are 5 communities with COSA's. Each sex offender has 4-5 people who volunteer to act as both a family member and a sponsor (like in AA) for that sex offender. The SO can call any of these people when they start feeling inclined to act on their urges. They spend holiday and other social time with these folks and the commitment is understood to be indefinite.

Most amazingly -- it works, and it doesn't cost the taxpayers hardly a dime. Georgia might want to look into implementing such a model as it might make people less frightened of having a sex offender living in their general vicinity.


take your science back to darwintown and wait for the bus to hell, COMMIE
 
2009-09-28 12:41:00 PM
Born_Again_Bavarian: I blame douchebags like Chris Hansen for freaking people out.

Fictional television, too, such as Law & Order: SVU. And of course 24 hour news stations. My parents are constantly bemoaning that our society is just getting sicker by the day. Thing is, I hardly believe that sex offenders just miraculously appeared sometime in the last 15 or 20 years, where there were absolutely none in the halcyon 50's. As well, molestation, etc was almost assuredly under-reported then as an issue of shame and emasculation.

Society didn't turn to shiat some time in the 1990's. We're simply inundated now by the dramatic footage.
 
2009-09-28 12:41:39 PM
fyrewede: Most amazingly -- it works, and it doesn't cost the taxpayers hardly a dime. Georgia might want to look into implementing such a model as it might make people less frightened of having a sex offender living in their general vicinity.

This isn't about stopping repeat crime. It's about attacking an easy target, one which is completely replenished daily by an asinine legal system.
 
2009-09-28 12:43:24 PM
HAMMERTOE: If you're getting your freak on with a woman and for any reason, she says "stop," if you hit it even one more stroke, you're a sex offender. In fact, you can be guilty for just touching the sides on your way out.

Chew on that.



Well, maybe if you would chew on it first, she wouldn't say "stop".

I'll be here all week. (new window)
 
2009-09-28 12:45:46 PM
Another Government Employee: After having a serial killer caught camping behind my house, I am NOT getting a kick out of these replies.

They do need to go somewhere else.


STOP FEEDING THEM!
 
2009-09-28 12:50:34 PM
Fano: wyrlss: GranoblasticMan: Out of curiosity, I did a search on my local area. The most confusing one yet is this:

"Conviction:
USE COMPUTR SEX W/MINOR; F.S. 847.0135(2) (PRINCIPAL)
Conviction Date: 2/25/2005 Age at conviction: 27"

What is that, like using an iPod as a sex toy?

Either someone had cybersex with a minor or there's a specific law about using the internet to set up dates with minors.

You'd have to be pretty desperate to do it with a robot.


"Of course, women who obtain sexual ecstasy with mechanical assistance always tend to feel guilty."

/obscure?
//I know it's not, but it's my fist obscure slashie!
 
2009-09-28 12:50:52 PM
tukatz: These people should either be in prison for life or shackled to a tether in a halfway house so they can't get away. No one wants them in society.... They need to be monitored 24/7 as they cannot control themselves well enough.

And I'm referring to real sex offenders.... the type that attack little children. Because I'm sure the first troll will be here soon with the "18-year-old having sex with a 16-year-old" theory.


Or urinating in public or streaking a college game.
 
2009-09-28 12:57:59 PM
Well, they needed remote a place to go... and the state provided. Nothing more to contribute.
 
2009-09-28 12:58:35 PM
Mentat: This will end well.

This
 
2009-09-28 01:00:03 PM
I know that actually reading the article is something that is beyond the scope of imagination.

but


THESE PEOPLE WERE ALREADY HOMELESS.
 
2009-09-28 01:07:11 PM
Whatever happened to:
"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."

Oh wait -- they have been ignoring that document for years now, no one actually has any rights anymore. Especially people who have been convicted of a crime and served the prescribed punishment.
 
2009-09-28 01:07:33 PM
paygun: Another great example of passing laws in order to give the appearance of solving problems instead of actually solving them. Good job.

Indeed. Unfortunately the first politician to raise this very concern will immediately be targeted by his opponent as soft on sex offenders.

"Paygun supports rewriting criminal law to make few crimes sexual offenses. Call paygun's office now and ask him why he has such a hard on for sex offenders."
 
2009-09-28 01:08:35 PM
charkocu: bluorangefyre: Right, because that's what Georgians need, having a sex offender living in the woods nearby homes and dragging their kids out there.

And yet ANOTHER reason why I'm glad to be out of that state!

Indeed. What they really need is a home and monthly utilities supplied to them on Tax Payer Joe's dime.


Nope, they need to be locked up and the key thrown away, since we can't execute them unless they kill somebody.
 
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