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2003-03-12 11:16:41 PM  
but the thing is, we can change this... if there aren't to many bagel munchin' palestinian murderin' iraq bashin' ignorant view havin' pro life believin' monkey ass decidin'..... BUT THE THING IS, fark THIS. fark OIL. fark $$$. fark REPUBLICANS (definitely on good principle) AND fark THE U.S. in our foreign policy which we believe fark EVERYONE OTHER THAN US. yeah. go bush. you farkin braindead moron.
 
2003-03-12 11:16:54 PM  
03-12-03 11:14:53 PM Daz
No one is saying that the war on iraq will stop terrorism. It will stop a major terrorist supplier, not to mention a major threat to the stability of the region.


If it is such a major threat, why aren't countries lining up with the US to stop Saddam? Hint- Because they know he's a big joke.
 
2003-03-12 11:16:59 PM  
Ugh, lots of these comments are good ones, but these boards are beginning to make me sick. Supporting or opposing the war with statements like, "Screw Germany, no blood for oil, screw France, U.S. Imperialism, Watch our bombs drop" are just fueling a fire. This is the same type of thoughtless crap that breeds terrorism. People just get cheap thrills taking the heroic/rebellious "left" or patriotic "right". If you want to that feeling, rent "sum of all fears" or "bowling for columbine". Sometimes war is needed, but it always sucks.
 
2003-03-12 11:17:04 PM  
You and Saddam should kick it like back in the day
With the cocaine and Courvoisier


Man, you can get a lot of mileage out of that song.
 
2003-03-12 11:17:40 PM  
err I ment countries in the surrounding middle east aren't lining up to help fight Saddam...
 
2003-03-12 11:17:42 PM  
ZipBeep

I am not supporting the war, just supporting your point in a slightly misguided way. I could have put that in much better context.
 
2003-03-12 11:20:06 PM  
Cronehimself: You sure about that? Really, really sure about that? 'cause virtually every single news source disagrees with you. Including the Palestine Monitor:

BRUSSELS--Last Wednesday, the Belgian Court of Cassation (Belgium's Supreme Court for criminal cases) issued its ruling in a precedent-setting case involving the former Congolese Foreign Minister, Mr. Ndombasi Yerodia. Mr. Yerodia, like Ariel Sharon and Amos Yaron in the Sabra and Shatila case, stands accused of serious violations of international humanitarian law under Belgium's 1993/1999 law on universal jurisdiction for war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide.

The Supreme Court quashed the decision of the Court of Appeals (Belgium's Indictment Chamber), for ruling (as it did in its decision in the Sabra and Shatila case on 26 June 2002), that universal jurisdiction can only be exercised when the suspect is on Belgian territory. While the Court of Cassation did not address that issue directly in its ruling last week, its decision is a welcome indication of the seriousness accorded to the principle of universal jurisdiction, and as such inspires hope that all victims of mass crimes can seek effective recourse before a neutral and independent judge.


The International Criminal Court was sworn in today (March 12, 2003). It is possible that the Belgium government will bring the case to the ICC, but it will be years before anything is actually tried in the International Criminal Court.
 
2003-03-12 11:20:25 PM  
Big Al : triple bullshiat ! you tried to sink the USS Liberty because the NSA crewmembers intercepted communications where Israeli officers ordered the execution of palestinan prisoners... You KNOW THIS !
DONT PLAY OSTRICH !
 
2003-03-12 11:20:39 PM  
I don't think a war in Iraq will end terrorism, any more than I think arresting someone who just broke into the jewelry store down the street will stop crime.
 
2003-03-12 11:20:56 PM  
Cronehimself
but the thing is, we can change this... if there aren't to many bagel munchin' palestinian murderin' iraq bashin' ignorant view havin' pro life believin' monkey ass decidin'..... BUT THE THING IS, fark THIS. fark OIL. fark $$$. fark REPUBLICANS (definitely on good principle) AND fark THE U.S. in our foreign policy which we believe fark EVERYONE OTHER THAN US. yeah. go bush. you farkin braindead moron.

You are clearly skilled in the fine art of smashing your fingers against a keyboard. Are you using that prehensile tail of yours to smack yourself in the head repeatedly with a hammer?
 
2003-03-12 11:21:37 PM  
actually i haven't smoked crack in 3 years, but seriously guys, THINK!!! THINK!!! THINK!!! obviously you have no capacity to do so... if you're gonna holla at us on websites then grab our address anyway
 
2003-03-12 11:23:44 PM  
yo I am insane... why the fark do you think we are invading a mild mannered dictator with neglectable regional territorial claims as if he was a madman that was taking over something important?
 
2003-03-12 11:24:57 PM  
03-12-03 11:20:25 PM Bashturn
Big Al : triple bullshiat ! you tried to sink the USS Liberty because the NSA crewmembers intercepted communications where Israeli officers ordered the execution of palestinan prisoners... You KNOW THIS !
DONT PLAY OSTRICH !


So then why exactly did the US keep quiet about it, and silence the crewmembers?

Maybe you should read a book called "The Secret War Against the Jews" by John Loftus.
 
2003-03-12 11:25:28 PM  
Wait, AlleyKat really thinks the US is the country with the most freedom?????

Doesn't travel much, does he?
 
2003-03-12 11:27:06 PM  
fark you weeflerunner, read bastard read.. can you? oh of course not.. post your IQ, if it's relevant to mine i might answer your asinine and farking retarded questions
 
2003-03-12 11:27:26 PM  
And maybe you should read Body of Secrets by James Bamford...
 
2003-03-12 11:27:56 PM  
Anti-war position of unintended consequences

Woooo! Go Saddam! Give those "RICH PEOPLE" a good arsekickin'.

We can't let those arabs get a working democracy, who would hate the jews for us?

It's okay if Saddam kills the Iraqi children, but don't you even think about doing it by mistake.

Who would offer the suicide bomber life insurance plan?

Baghdad just won't be the same without all those pics of saddam.

He needs the botulism for a huge botox party.

/ Please add as needed
 
2003-03-12 11:27:56 PM  
And may I state... for the record. that the US gives Israel massive amounts of money because otherwise Mossad would bring public the decieving CIA and how they have been funding Islamic terrorists for decades, and also helped Nazi War criminals escape post-war Germany to either live in the US or other countries around the world.
 
2003-03-12 11:28:11 PM  
Cronehimself:
Because the US is owned by the car industry.
 
2003-03-12 11:30:12 PM  
03-12-03 11:27:26 PM Bashturn
And maybe you should read Body of Secrets by James Bamford...


I'll take my book instead, because this guy just comes up with his own opinions, while John Loftus studied and talked to numerous CIA and Mossad agents about it.
 
2003-03-12 11:32:05 PM  
Cronehimself:
yo I am insane

Of course you are.
 
2003-03-12 11:33:15 PM  
And besides, why would the US government cover it up if all they learned was the Israelis committing attrocities against Palestinans?

Let me guess, the jews control the media AND the government, right?
 
2003-03-12 11:33:54 PM  
Big Al I dont want to turn this into a freaking book club discussion... but before making such ridiculous statements as to compare the credentials of Loftus against Bamford... may I suggest you look them up first ?
 
2003-03-12 11:36:37 PM  
that the US gives Israel massive amounts of money because otherwise Mossad would bring public the decieving CIA and how they have been funding Islamic terrorists for decades, and also helped Nazi War criminals escape post-war Germany

The problem with that is that in needs the assumption that people will give a shiat. The US's help of shady dictators is well known. People even know about syphilis tests on black Americans at Tuskegee. The outrage isn't there. I don't think billions of dollars worth of aid year after year is cost effective for keeping this silent.
 
2003-03-12 11:38:31 PM  
is that in needs should be: is that IT needs
 
2003-03-12 11:41:08 PM  
ahhh fark that, you all work for the Mossad
 
2003-03-12 11:42:13 PM  
The International Criminal Court was sworn in today (March 12, 2003). It is possible that the Belgium government will bring the case to the ICC, but it will be years before anything is actually tried in the International Criminal Court.

Won't happen. Under the ICC charter, war crimes committed before the court was formed cannot be tried. Incidently, the US ambassador to the UN is also a war criminal. Google "john negroponte school of the americas".
 
2003-03-12 11:42:31 PM  
Scrotar

There are acceptable ways to address grievences. They aren't nearly as exciting, they don't appeal to retrograde bloodlust, and they often take a long time to produce results.

Peaceful protest has gotten them nothing but ever further encroaching settlements and a gradual takeover of Jerusalem. Their peace overtures were cynically discarded on a legal technicality by the Israeli government after all the hard work Bush I and Clinton did to broker peace agreements.

I don't advocate targetting civilians at all, but they have no hope of having an organised military that wouldn't be decimated in seconds. Civilian militia are all they have, and pitting a lone suicide bomber against a tank is a waste of resources.

The Irish at least targetting infrastructure, though most of it was civilian, and phoned in warning before they blew it up. Most of the time they did, anyway.

There are plenty of parallel actions by other occupied peoples and none that didn't involve genocide were ever 'fixed' by military action.
 
2003-03-12 11:43:28 PM  
Cronehimself
btw, when was the last time you were in a synagogue? i've said it before and i will again... any Jew in America is a Jew before they are an American

And Christians defend the American flag before they defend Jesus? Quit being an antisemitic farker.
 
2003-03-12 11:46:12 PM  
aah, a perfect topic for a propaganda poster.

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2003-03-12 11:47:10 PM  
Bashturn: You've made some interesting points in some of your posts above, and some of them are based on information that isn't widely available in America. Based on that, as well as on some of the words and spellings you use, I'm guessing that you're not American. If you don't mind my asking, what nationality are you? I have a guess, but I'm wondering. If you don't want to reply publicly on this thread, feel free to send me an e-mail.

I'm not going to be hanging around this thread much for now, but I'll check back later.
 
2003-03-12 11:47:47 PM  
Cronehimself

i've said it before and i will again... any Jew in America is a Jew before they are an American

I don't think that's a problem. People can have dual loyalties without conflict most of the time. Coming from a certain race or background doesn't erase your mind, you can still hold independent opinion on both.

I was nodding my head when reading your posts until I got to this bit, anyway.

ps - I like bagels, does that make me an Israeli-terrorist sympathiser ?
 
2003-03-12 11:47:49 PM  
I think I will agree with you Tessie, making blind assumptions of jewish people and their faith in not only their religion, but the country they live in is ridulous. Also, what does being jewish have to do with loving your country?
 
2003-03-12 11:49:09 PM  
03-12-03 11:47:47 PM Tadlette

ps - I like bagels, does that make me an Israeli-terrorist sympathiser ?


YEAH! You're a bagel lovin, anti-american, nogood liberal hippie, and communist scum! There, I think I got all the insults out.
 
2003-03-12 11:50:02 PM  
Big Al
What's wrong with communism?
 
2003-03-12 11:51:01 PM  
03-12-03 11:33:54 PM Bashturn
Big Al I dont want to turn this into a freaking book club discussion... but before making such ridiculous statements as to compare the credentials of Loftus against Bamford... may I suggest you look them up first ?


Why don't you go inform me of why the US government and the military would cover up such an event just because they overheard some Palestinians (actually, it was Egyptians but whatever) being killed by the IDF.
 
2003-03-12 11:51:07 PM  
I prefer to call begels freedom doughnuts.
 
2003-03-12 11:51:45 PM  
Bagels rather
 
2003-03-12 11:52:42 PM  

The problem with that is that in needs the assumption that people will give a shiat. The US's help of shady dictators is well known. People even know about syphilis tests on black Americans at Tuskegee. The outrage isn't there. I don't think billions of dollars worth of aid year after year is cost effective for keeping this silent.


No, the general public as a whole does not know that the US supported Saddam, or Mandela, or Bin Laden, etc.

It isn't just for keeping the Israelis silent, it is to make sure they don't do anything to upset the surrounding arab countries enough to where they stop selling the US all the oil they want at somewhat reasonable prices.

Remember what happened last time the arabs got upset? The fuel crisis of the 70s.
 
2003-03-12 11:54:33 PM  
GimpRulz: I didn't know that. Makes sense though.

Tadlette: Yes, yes it does. Everyone knows that the big-bagel companies control the media and the government.

Iaminsane: (You didn't ask me, but...) The problem with communism is that it has an overly optimistic viewpoint towards human nature, which makes it impractical. Still not as bad as being a bagel-eater though.
 
2003-03-12 11:56:56 PM  
Cronehimself

Methinks crone is a clever liberal discrediter. Make a few reasonable posts, get us agreeing, then go anti-semitic on our arses and let the flying shiat cover us as well.

Nice one !
 
2003-03-12 11:57:44 PM  
Just my two cents....
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2003-03-12 11:58:17 PM  
Weeflerunner
You mean it assumes that humans might be interested in working? Communism is a great idea, just executed poorly.
 
2003-03-12 11:59:40 PM  
sorry for the h00ge picture!
 
2003-03-13 12:00:27 AM  
Big Al

LOL - all it needed was 'now shuddup and go get me a beer, biatch!'

All this talk of bagels has made me hungry. Mmmmmm blueberry bagels. Hardly authentic I know, but great anyway.
 
2003-03-13 12:02:58 AM  
Confabulat:

Ive been to Europe several times and to the Middle East far more often than most of you here. And yes the US is far more free than almost any country. Sure some European countries have some freedoms that we don't but they also restrict things we don't. For instance any speech that denies Nazi crimes is illegal in Germany. But you can drink at 18 there, etc. Your kind bashes America at every turn then wonder why your painted as anti-American by those of us who do understand the subtext of every argument in this thread.
 
2003-03-13 12:03:24 AM  
03-13-03 12:00:27 AM Tadlette
Big Al

LOL - all it needed was 'now shuddup and go get me a beer, biatch!'


I was expecting your husband to be the one to say that... ;-)

I don't like beer... grab me some mary jane instead!
 
2003-03-13 12:04:27 AM  
03-13-03 12:02:58 AM HomestarJunior
Confabulat:

Ive been to Europe several times and to the Middle East far more often than most of you here. And yes the US is far more free than almost any country. Sure some European countries have some freedoms that we don't but they also restrict things we don't. For instance any speech that denies Nazi crimes is illegal in Germany.


Read - US patriotic act

Freedoms? That was so pre 9-11
 
2003-03-13 12:05:23 AM  
Cronehimself
"post your IQ, if it's relevant to mine..."

Per the accepted definition of relevant, your comment makes no sense.

relevant: Having a bearing on or connection with the matter at hand.

Nobody's IQ would be relevant to yours, your intelligence has no bearing on anyone else's in this thread. Whether you are of sub-aveage intelligence, of average intelligence or something else, would not make your IQ have any more bearing on someone elses IQ at all. I think you are looking for a different word. Let me put it in simple terms. Say your IQ is 70, and mine is 190,(I may be off a little, on either end so don't feel insulted, but you get the picture,) would you not answer my questions because of of a lack of relevance or equivelance. I think the term you are looking for is "equivelant." Here, I'll try your phrase again:

post your IQ, if it's equivelant to mine..."


BTW, you should really calm down a little, its an embarrassment that you are from Connecticut too.
 
2003-03-13 12:10:53 AM  
Freedoms? That was so pre 9-11

The terrorists hated us becuase of our freedoms. Now that the freedoms are gone, we're safe!
 
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