Ah, so that's why anyone listens to her lunacy... I wonder if I could fall through a sewer grate as well, whether or not I'd be a best selling author too, even if all I did was shiat on the page...

DrToast: If you know what's best you had better stay away. That is one mean woman! She tells it like it is without that sweet layer of political correctness.

Re: "It's all about the oil"

I don't know if it's true or not, but just to get past this part of the discussion
I read in the news paper that some oil businesss people believe the USA wants control over oil in Iraq so that oil production can at some point be CUT and thus the price RAISED.

Cashmoney

What are we going to do with the Oil?

Are you serious?

Stop, stop the german funny language. I am still in lvl 1 and that is a phrase that was said in jest, by a friend of mine in class.

Jacque: if you really think Coulter is anywhere near reality, then it's a sad commentary on you- and it's too bad for Right-wingers in general that she gets associated with you all.

Seriously: I want to hear someone say outloud that the US is lunging for more world power and control by taking someones oil. It sounds insane doesnt it. Everyone is simply saying "its all about the oil man"

I want to hear the complete contructed argument.

"The political apathy of people in time of peace indicates that they will readily let themselves be led to slaughter later. Because today they lack even the courage to sign their names in support of disarmament, they will be compelled to shed their blood tomorrow."

--Einstein

Who among you will stand up and say it?

Iraq is only 30% to 40% developed. Iraq needs to be developed.

It is 2nd only to Saudi Arabia in Oil.

An Oil company looking for a new field would have to go to Iraq, everything else has been developed. One Irish company has been talking to Iraq since 1978.

Iraq's plan must be to hold out and make the most money of their Oil as it will be the last.

Go to war? or replace Oil? replacing Oil would put a lot of wealthy families out of business. Just like when Dupont demonized Marijuana, keeping the economy dependant on Oil is good for business.

ZipBeep
think about the Louis Slotin's death though link

He was the Manhattan project guy who was handling the two halves of the weapons grade plutonium, when he accidentally brought them in contact with each other. In their natural state, they were virtually harmless (I'm sure there were trace amounts of gamma radiation coming off the thing, but not much worse than say .. standing outside).

Then realize that when plutonium breaks down it releases beta and gamma radiation ending up as Americium-241 (which actually ends up releasing more gamma radiation than Pu when it breaks down)
DU is mostly U-238 which is actually pretty stable stuff.

From : education.jlab.org
Uranium's most stable isotope, uranium-238, has a half-life of about 4,468,000,000 years. It decays into thorium-234 through alpha decay or decays through spontaneous fission.

so unless you can somehow trigger a reaction in this stuff (which thankfully no one has been able to do) there's really nothing to worry about.

Xtremehkr: Not convinced yet.

couldn't have said it better myself Weeflerunner good work

http://www.adbusters.org/campaigns/got_oil/

sorry xtremehkr .. I missed your post, or I would have tackled that one first

It just amazes me that you are so willing to trust a government that has lied so many times about so many things.

I'm not trusting the government, I'm trusting the scientists and the universities that actually know what they're talking about.

If you want to insult my intelligence or anything else that comes to mind, feel free.

just the intelligence thing will do for now .. thanks though

1> Why didn't we take the oil the first time around?

The UN authorization only allowed the coalition troups to expel Iraq from Kuwait. Overthrowing Saddam was out of scope of the resolution for force. Daddy Bush had more sense than to openly opose the security council.

2> What are we planning to do with the oil?

Well duh, profit from it. Iraq oil costs about a $1 a barrel to pump.

3> We already have their oil. (It is for sale on the open market)

But if we pump it, we avoid the middle man and we can threaten the Saudis and the rest of OPEC by flooding the market, plus we get a shiny new military base of operations in the middle east since the Saudis are getting tired of the US presence in their country and are threatening to boot us out.

This wasn't really about Uranium, though it is a nice distraction.

Much nicer than talking about Bush Sr going against Bush Jr.

Oh and Kuwait paid the US 52 Billion dollars for that liberation effort. Practically all of Kuwaits nest egg.

Even Japan isn't helping to fund this possible war. Though they will help with the cleanup.

Ancalagon

Well keep insulting cause you haven't managed to convince anyone of anything, and like a true conservative, eventually, insults are all you are going to have.

Let's be clear. Alpha particles are not completely harmless. A lot of harm can come to you if you breathe them.

Plutonium is ALWAYS cladded or worked on in a sealed glovebox type situation, even though the direct radiation can't really harm you. (except in a critical mass state, obviously, and that is not really the alpha radiation). The internal organs (lungs, in particular are more sensitive)

But Alpha particles are difficult to separate from DU and the levels are so low in DU that it was really considered safe.

And yes, turning it into a fissionable product is about the equivalent of turning lead into gold.

Sitting next to 40 tons of DU is probably the equivalent of somebody in Chicago moving to Denver.

IIRC, a ton of DU is a surprisingly small amount. We also monitored health things, such as how much you should lift a day, etc. and a ton was a very little pile.

03-12-03 09:45:57 PM DrToast
03-12-03 09:44:02 PM Big Al
I think what hes saying,

Actually, he answered my post.

My mistake. Well then, that was MY opinion!

You're all monkeys. Every last one of you. Furry, prehensile-tailed monkeys. That's what you are. Nothing more.

xtremehkr
you said something about assuming
.. I'm definatly a left-winger, I've never voted for a single republican. I'm arguing against your stance on depleted uranium because you're wrong, not because it's what I want to believe

There are also the Australians, who firmly back action against Saddam and have committed troops to the region.

PM Uriah Howard has indeed committed troops to Iraq, but the vast majority of Australians are opposed to this stupid war.

PM Uriah Howard is in it for what he hopes will be increased US trade. He's a stranger to the truth.

There are some leaders who might discover that the more they blather about "regime change", the more their voters will decide it begins at home.

My mistake. Well then, that was MY opinion!

I already know your opinion! ;)

Dark_clark

I guess the son has learned a few tricks since then.

s/learned a few/learned few/

Cashmoney03

I would like to know a couple of things.

1> Why didn't we take the oil the first time around?
Answer : The prime objective of the gulf war was to liberate Kuwait... not an invasion of Irak

2> What are we planning to do with the oil?
Answer: The big money comes from refining and distributing the refined product to tankers docked in Kuwait. That beeing said... let it be clear that american and british companies (exxonmobil, bp et al...) can then ship the refine product to whoever wants to buy it... the refined product is a KUWAITI PRODUCT... not Iraqi.

3> We already have there oil. (It is for sale on the open market)

Answer : Exactly !

Damn, my HTML sucks.

Copy and Paste then. Sorry.

I'd post the argument here, but it would take too long.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2003/10/ma_273_01.html

this is pointless, you are not going to change my mind and I could care less, I do not consider radiation to be safe in any form. I am not going to go into specifics but I work with radiation everyday and I know about the real dangers of radiation even in small amounts.

Once heavy metal enters the bloodstream it never leaves. Read the earlier post to find out that there is a possibility of damage from uranium and then think about what 40 tons of forgotten Uranium could do once it gets into the water tables.

Apart from that I would much rather be discussing the topic of the thread (original topic). Ok, this is a moot point and not at all interesting.

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Production vs. Strategic Reserves

Another thing to keep in mind is that there is a significant difference between oil production and oil reserves. As far as reserves, yeah, Iraq is pretty impressive - we think. There really hasn't been a full exploration of what oil resources Iraq has. Currently, Iraq's production is about 2.5 million barrels/day, with a max production output of just under 3 million barrels/day.


Sound like a lot? Mexico produces 3 million barrels/day, with a theoretical max production of around 3.5 million barrels per day. It is very likely that offshore drilling in the Gulf of Mexico would dramatically increase that number. Canada produces more oil than Iraq.


So who produces the most oil? In raw production, the U.S. leads the way with 8.4 million barrels/day which is, interestingly enough, also the theoretical production max. Only Saudi can (currently) beat that number. Saudi pumps around 8 mil barrels/day, out of a theoretical max of about 11 mil barrels.


That is production. If you look at known reserves, then the Middle East once again looks promising. However, looking at probable reserves, the matter swings away once more. Russia, Canada, South America, West Africa (offshore), and the Gulf of Mexico are all very promising sites for significant oil preserves. And of course, there is always ANWAR....


By some estimates, drilling in ANWAR would increase the U.S. strategic reserves by 25% to 33%, significantly increasing U.S. oil production. So far, this has been a fairly hot topic, but if you want to cut dependency on foreign oil, it is one way to start.


The reason Iraq is appealing to oil companies, is that the oil is easy to get to, not too much drilling is required. As far as overall value of Iraq, who knows? The financial costs of rebuilding Iraq following a war would almost certainly be higher than any boost due to potential oil prospecting.

Impaler
She doesn't tell it like it is, she tells it like how brain dead idiots think it is. I don't think there is anyone I have heard that lacks a basic thought process as much as ann coutler. Even the points she brings up that I agree with she tarnishes with some moronic after thought. She is listened to and read because she is the thought equivalent of a train wreck. Interesting to observe, but disturbing that it took place.

You should listen to AM Radio in Chicago - the stuff these clowns spew is amazing! I was taking a shower last night and got Rush Limbaugh on my new shower radio. WOW! He actually thinks this stuff is funny. There's been more humor in THIS post than in the whole 20 minutes I listened to that. YIKES!

And it's all the same, day and night.

Cronehimself - What are you trying to say?

Some people would close their italics tags. But not I!

03-12-03 08:05:52 PM Cronehimself wrote:

Hmmmmmmmmmm.... you ever lived in Europe retard?
Maybe check it out before you regale our fascist ass state with that title.

Actually, yes I have asswipe. I was stationed in that shiathole of a socialist continent in '85-87. If you think it's so wonderful over there why don't you drag your useless nub over there and be happy? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm????

AK

Cronehimself:

Bufark Bush? No thanks.

Thanks for adding to the dialogue there, Cronehimself.

Three Salient Points:

(1) PLEASE tell me that was not a picture of Condi Rice up top! SHUT-UP!! I have C.H.U.B.

(2) And now, a little poem:
Rumsfeld is a
Friend of mine
He resembles
Frankenstein

(3) And finally--with regard to Ann Coulter, I read an article in which a liberal columnist was interviewed in a story on Coulter, and he railed and railed against her, but then the interviewer asked him, "So, do you think she's hot?" And the columnist who had just been going beet-red nuts-angry over her said, after no pause, "Oh, I'd f*ck the shiat out of her." Funniest thing I'd ever read. You can look it up online. Hi-Larious.

xtremehkr
please believe me when I say I'm trying to get out of this thread too, but ...

Once heavy metal enters the bloodstream it never leaves.

I already said it's a bad idea to eat the stuff, but radiation isn't metal.
Alpha radiation is excited helium atoms, Beta radiation is free protons, Gamma radiation is an electromagnetic wave ... nothing there is anywhere close to a metal.

03-12-03 10:23:07 PM DrToast
My mistake. Well then, that was MY opinion!

I already know your opinion! ;)

Bah! I might have to change it now just to keep people guessing!

Iaminsane - man, I would love to be a monkey... now I'm going to be thinking about that all night.

Here's what the so-called "people" arguing about politics look like:

Get it? They're really just furry, prehensile-tailed monkeys.

ZipBeep: Plutonium also emits beta and gamma particles. Gamma particles are decidedly dangerous.

Are alpha particles capable of penetrating the respiratory tract? I did not think that they were, but I could be wrong on that one.

and lets say the DU seeps into a water source at say .. 3 ppm .. for every gallon of water you drink, this means your body is going to be exposed to about 12-15 excited helium atoms every 4 and a half billion years