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2009-09-27 10:39:10 AM
This should be just like last year when Wal-Mart employee's couldn't say "Merry Christmas", but they all did and nobody told them they couldn't.
 
2009-09-27 11:02:18 AM
FUN FACT: Madalyn Murray O'Hair was an avid collector of two things: Christmas music, and statues of animals humping.
 
2009-09-27 11:03:33 AM
Every culture is unique and special. Which is why we must suppress Christianity to not risk offending heathens...
 
2009-09-27 11:03:48 AM
Wow, you guy get going earlier each year. I guess the holiday that proves Christianity is about peace and love is too much for the liberals.
 
2009-09-27 11:06:11 AM
9/12 Fromever: Wow, you guy get going earlier each year. I guess the holiday that proves Christianity is about peace and love crass commercialism is too much for the liberals.

FTFY.

/Seriously, if it wasn't about commercialism, why would you complain about stores not using "Merry Christmas" to get you in the door?
 
2009-09-27 11:07:14 AM
Jodi Foster is a Atheist
i34.tinypic.com
/Hot like hooka pussi
 
2009-09-27 11:07:32 AM
I need to get warmed up with The War Against Thanksgiving first, it's just not the same without that.
 
2009-09-27 11:08:49 AM
"I will honour Christmas in my heart, and try to keep it all the year"

Everyone who doesn't is a loser.
 
2009-09-27 11:10:17 AM
There won't be a very profitable Christmas this year.
Maybe it should go back to being a Christian holiday.
 
2009-09-27 11:10:32 AM
HeartBurnKid:
/Seriously, if it wasn't about commercialism, why would you complain about stores not using "Merry Christmas" to get you in the door?


I'll pray that God will help you overcome whatever pain has caused you to be so bitter.
 
2009-09-27 11:11:39 AM
Hi.
Atheist here.
Every year I put up a tree, decorate it, give presents to my loved ones, and stuff my face full of turkey*, parsnips, mince pies, and cake.

War on Christmas? Wat?

* you just can't get good goose in this GFC
 
2009-09-27 11:12:02 AM
9/12 Fromever: Wow, you guy get going earlier each year. I guess the holiday that proves Christianity is about peace and love is too much for the liberals.

I'm starting to suspect that just might be a troll.
 
2009-09-27 11:12:21 AM
Trollaholic: Which is why we must suppress Christianity to not risk offending heathens...

Where's the suprression?
 
2009-09-27 11:13:53 AM
9/12 Fromever: Wow, you guy get going earlier each year. I guess the holiday that proves Christianity is about peace and love is too much for the liberals.

2/10
 
2009-09-27 11:14:13 AM
Yo, Poe!
 
2009-09-27 11:15:33 AM
t3knomanser: Where's the suprression?

I don't see any suppression, but the Dawkins sample that they linked to was a spectacular display of dry yet enthusiastic masturbation, so I think I might see some chafing.
 
2009-09-27 11:19:19 AM
Not this sh*t again.
 
2009-09-27 11:19:37 AM
right wingers just go from one feigned outrage to the next don't they?
 
2009-09-27 11:20:26 AM
I do recall a boycott of retailers who did NOT say "Merry Christmas," but I don't recall a boycott of those who did. This "war" only exists in the mind of easily duped people who watch O'Reilly and buy books by John Gibson.

Goddam persecution complex...
 
2009-09-27 11:21:04 AM
Of course what a whole group of Brit's decide to publish is just so relevant to the culture clashes here in the States.
 
2009-09-27 11:22:26 AM
roadmarks: Of course what a whole group of Brit's Bits decide to publish is just so relevant to the culture clashes here in the States.

FTFM

/in before the apostrophe brigade
 
2009-09-27 11:23:48 AM
roadmarks: roadmarks: Of course what a whole group of Brit's BRits decide to publish is just so relevant to the culture clashes here in the States.

FTFM

/in before the apostrophe brigade


Ya know - I think I'm just going to go get more coffee before I embarrass myself further...
 
2009-09-27 11:24:18 AM
DemonEater: Hi.
Atheist here.
Every year I put up a tree, decorate it, give presents to my loved ones, and stuff my face full of turkey*, parsnips, mince pies, and cake.


Will disagree on your choice of side dishes, but otherwise hell yeah.

What the living room of an atheist might look like at Christmas.

i201.photobucket.com
 
2009-09-27 11:27:59 AM
baka-san: DemonEater: Hi.
Atheist here.
Every year I put up a tree, decorate it, give presents to my loved ones, and stuff my face full of turkey*, parsnips, mince pies, and cake.

Will disagree on your choice of side dishes, but otherwise hell yeah.

What the living room of an atheist might look like at Christmas.


Same here.

Though sometimes I say I'm celebrating Yule instead, since 1) it's where the traditions originally come from, and 2) it really pisses the Fundie Pantyknot Brigade™ off.
 
2009-09-27 11:28:51 AM
todangst: 9/12 Fromever: Wow, you guy get going earlier each year. I guess the holiday that proves Christianity is about peace and love is too much for the liberals.

I'm starting to suspect that just might be a troll.


He's a joke account alt, which is pretty much the same as a troll.
 
2009-09-27 11:30:10 AM
Ah yes, the Christmas wars. This is part of what happens when white conservative men want to fight a liberal multicultural society. They take away Christmas. Then they say that taking away Christmas is what the liberal mulitculturalists want when they demand space for other religious holidays and decorations.

Exodus2001: This should be just like last year when Wal-Mart employee's couldn't say "Merry Christmas", but they all did and nobody told them they couldn't.

Yes, because it was the leadership at Wal*mart that wanted the ban on Christmas in order to anger their customers. So they allowed dissent to make it seem like their workers were dissenting against the liberal left. The war on Christmas is a practice run for tea party protests. It's not like the tea partiers are following new ideas or anything. Places like Wal*mart perfected the new right wing extremism.
 
2009-09-27 11:30:22 AM
baka-san: What the living room of an atheist might look like at Christmas.

Are those pictures playing "the floor is lava"?
 
2009-09-27 11:31:34 AM
NeverDrunk23: todangst: 9/12 Fromever: Wow, you guy get going earlier each year. I guess the holiday that proves Christianity is about peace and love is too much for the liberals.

I'm starting to suspect that just might be a troll.

He's a joke account alt, which is pretty much the same as a troll.


Someone should mention the concept of subtlety to him, as opposed to the neon troll sign he's carrying.
 
2009-09-27 11:32:49 AM
roadmarks: roadmarks: roadmarks: Of course what a whole group of Brit's BRits decide to publish is just so relevant to the culture clashes here in the States.

FTFM

/in before the apostrophe brigade

Ya know - I think I'm just going to go get more coffee before I embarrass myself further...


I know I let MY group of bits do ALL the deciding.
 
2009-09-27 11:33:29 AM
This is why I don't make fun of Toby Keith anymore.
 
2009-09-27 11:37:21 AM
I'm an atheist, and I farking LOVE Christmas. Ice skating, eggnog, shopping for and wrapping presents, wassail, picking a tree, annoying relatives, over excited niece, turkey....I do the whole thing.

My favorite part might be the 7-10 days off I have, with pay, because the multicultural university I work for shuts down for a week for a religious holiday that many of it's students don't celebrate.
 
2009-09-27 11:37:43 AM
Since when has Christmas been a Christian holiday?
 
2009-09-27 11:39:27 AM
Man, The War on Christmas has become way too commercialized. Can't we all just go back to the simple, original spirit of berating each others' traditions?
 
2009-09-27 11:40:12 AM
LouDobbsAwaaaay: Since when has Christmas been a Christian holiday?

Since the Catholic church established it as an alternative to the Roman festival of Saturnalia.

/Christian
//But I know Church history.
 
2009-09-27 11:40:20 AM
roadmarks: roadmarks: Of course what a whole group of Brit's Bits decide to publish is just so relevant to the culture clashes here in the States.

FTFM

/in before the apostrophe brigade


I was just about ready to revoke your keyboard license.
 
2009-09-27 11:41:19 AM
VoxPersonaque: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Since when has Christmas been a Christian holiday?

Since the Catholic church established it as an alternative to the Roman festival of Saturnalia.

/Christian
//But I know Church history.


Oh, and the pagan Yule festival. Almost forgot that one.
 
2009-09-27 11:42:27 AM
"All the dumb makes me not want to even go anywhere most of the time." -- Jeffrey Rowland, Overcompensating
 
2009-09-27 11:43:32 AM
Mentat: This is why I don't make fun of Toby Keith anymore.

I loved that.

It's nice to see that at least some conservatives can take a good natured poke at themselves.
 
2009-09-27 11:46:03 AM
Bennie Crabtree: Ah yes, the Christmas wars. This is part of what happens when white conservative men want to fight a liberal multicultural society. They take away Christmas. Then they say that taking away Christmas is what the liberal mulitculturalists want when they demand space for other religious holidays and decorations.

Exodus2001: This should be just like last year when Wal-Mart employee's couldn't say "Merry Christmas", but they all did and nobody told them they couldn't.

Yes, because it was the leadership at Wal*mart that wanted the ban on Christmas in order to anger their customers. So they allowed dissent to make it seem like their workers were dissenting against the liberal left. The war on Christmas is a practice run for tea party protests. It's not like the tea partiers are following new ideas or anything. Places like Wal*mart perfected the new right wing extremism.


My head hurts.
 
2009-09-27 11:46:09 AM
VoxPersonaque: Since the Catholic church established it as an alternative to the Roman festival of Saturnalia.

Well, that's great and all, but who gives a shiat? The holiday is a mish-mash of pagan ritual and consumerist masturbation. There isn't a single thing about it that is even remotely Christian.

And that's fine. There's nothing wrong with ritual or holiday or consumerist masturbation. I just don't understand why Christians feel like they have ownership of the holiday, and get all bent out of shape when people make another change to a holiday that has been changed 1000 times since it was fabricated from whole cloth. I also don't understand why atheists get all bent out of shape over Christmas decorations and "merry Christmas".

Nothing about it is Christian, or even vaguely religious.
 
2009-09-27 11:49:07 AM
I must be missing the "war on christmas" part of the article.
 
2009-09-27 11:51:11 AM
ghare: "I will honour Christmas Halloween in my heart, and try to keep it all the year"

Everyone who doesn't is a loser.


Fixed that for you.
 
2009-09-27 11:51:27 AM
LouDobbsAwaaaay: VoxPersonaque: Since the Catholic church established it as an alternative to the Roman festival of Saturnalia.

Well, that's great and all, but who gives a shiat? The holiday is a mish-mash of pagan ritual and consumerist masturbation. There isn't a single thing about it that is even remotely Christian.

And that's fine. There's nothing wrong with ritual or holiday or consumerist masturbation. I just don't understand why Christians feel like they have ownership of the holiday, and get all bent out of shape when people make another change to a holiday that has been changed 1000 times since it was fabricated from whole cloth. I also don't understand why atheists get all bent out of shape over Christmas decorations and "merry Christmas".

Nothing about it is Christian, or even vaguely religious.


They are trying to claim ownership of it but never can thanks to the stuff involved: the tree and the presents. Whenever asked, they always go on about this weird tangent about Jesus and shiat.

Christmas (or Saturnalia) has always been a winter festival that celebrates the winter solstice. The Christians simply glued the birth of their favorite fictional character onto it so it looked like the Romans were enjoying it. The real reason for the season is actually the season.
 
2009-09-27 11:51:31 AM
LouDobbsAwaaaay: VoxPersonaque: Since the Catholic church established it as an alternative to the Roman festival of Saturnalia.

Well, that's great and all, but who gives a shiat? The holiday is a mish-mash of pagan ritual and consumerist masturbation. There isn't a single thing about it that is even remotely Christian.

And that's fine. There's nothing wrong with ritual or holiday or consumerist masturbation. I just don't understand why Christians feel like they have ownership of the holiday, and get all bent out of shape when people make another change to a holiday that has been changed 1000 times since it was fabricated from whole cloth. I also don't understand why atheists get all bent out of shape over Christmas decorations and "merry Christmas".

Nothing about it is Christian, or even vaguely religious.


For the most part, I agree with you. Although I'd take certain issue with the claim that it is in no way Christian, in that there are some Christians who choose to use it as a day to celebrate a Christian idea. However, I have no problem with everyone else using it for other things, and calling it whatever they want. And I sigh every time I hear someone screeching about how the godless libruls are stealing away Christmas.
 
2009-09-27 11:54:28 AM
LouDobbsAwaaaay: VoxPersonaque: Since the Catholic church established it as an alternative to the Roman festival of Saturnalia.

Well, that's great and all, but who gives a shiat? The holiday is a mish-mash of pagan ritual and consumerist masturbation. There isn't a single thing about it that is even remotely Christian.

And that's fine. There's nothing wrong with ritual or holiday or consumerist masturbation. I just don't understand why Christians feel like they have ownership of the holiday, and get all bent out of shape when people make another change to a holiday that has been changed 1000 times since it was fabricated from whole cloth. I also don't understand why atheists get all bent out of shape over Christmas decorations and "merry Christmas".

Nothing about it is Christian, or even vaguely religious.


I've never gotten bent out of shape about "Merry Christmas" or Christmas trees, etc. I do get bent out of shape about government funds being used to erect manger scenes, just like I get bent out of shape with the ten commandments being displayed in courtrooms. The simple fact is, I think it sends the wrong message -- "Only Christians are welcome. Everybody else fark off."

That said, if I ran a store, I would definitely use "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas". Why? Because people shop for Hanukkah, Ramadan, and a zillion other winter holidays in addition to Christmas, and, ideally, I'd want them to do that shopping at my store. Of course, I also find it endlessly amusing that, not too long ago, the push was to stop stores from using "Merry Christmas" in their advertising because of fears of their sacred holiday being degraded by being associated with commercialism. Guess that's over now, with the Religious Right having hijacked the religion; now they can't get those pink aluminum trees fast enough.
 
2009-09-27 11:56:10 AM
Even growing up in a pretty high religious household, out of the 24 hours of Christmas, maybe 2 hours were for the religious version (this is including time to get ready for and driving to and from Church).
 
2009-09-27 11:58:26 AM
VoxPersonaque: For the most part, I agree with you. Although I'd take certain issue with the claim that it is in no way Christian, in that there are some Christians who choose to use it as a day to celebrate a Christian idea. However, I have no problem with everyone else using it for other things, and calling it whatever they want. And I sigh every time I hear someone screeching about how the godless libruls are stealing away Christmas.

Some Christians choose to use every Sunday as a day to celebrate a Christian idea. That doesn't make Sunday a Christian holiday.

The story about Jesus and the manger and no room at the inn is in no way connected to Christmas. The rituals are pagan. The mascot is from a vague Scandinavian folk-tale. The celebration takes place in Wal Marts and Best Buys.

It's simply not "your" holiday. And saying something like "However, I have no problem with everyone else using it for other things, and calling it whatever they want." implies you still think it is.
 
2009-09-27 12:02:12 PM
HeartBurnKid: I loved that.

It's nice to see that at least some conservatives can take a good natured poke at themselves.


I dunno. That's disturbingly close to Poe's Law. If it wasn't Toby Keith, I wouldn't have any doubts, but this is the same guy who wrote, non-ironically, that Courtesy of the Red, White, and Blue song.

Somewhere deep down, he probably believes it.
 
2009-09-27 12:05:14 PM
NeverDrunk23: Even growing up in a pretty high religious household, out of the 24 hours of Christmas, maybe 2 hours were for the religious version (this is including time to get ready for and driving to and from Church).

24 hours?
Have you forgotten the other 264? Bad Christians!
 
2009-09-27 12:06:57 PM
LouDobbsAwaaaay:
It's simply not "your" holiday. And saying something like "However, I have no problem with everyone else using it for other things, and calling it whatever they want." implies you still think it is.


No, no it really doesn't. It implies that some Christians celebrate it as a Christian holiday, and anyone else my celebrate it as whatever sort of holiday they want. I don't own the day anymore than the U.S. government owns Memorial Day, or Johnny Depp owns ITLAP Day.
 
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