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(Science Daily)   Scientists develop Drake-like equation for determining the habitability of planets, feasibility of terraforming. KHAAAAN   (sciencedaily.com) divider line 185
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2009-09-21 12:40:32 PM  
Well Genesis wasn't terraforming. It was a shortcut that used protomatter, thanks to Kirk's pussy son, to shortcut its way into creating a livable planet. Actual terraforming would take decades.
 
2009-09-21 12:50:31 PM  
 
2009-09-21 12:55:34 PM  
"At present, there is no easy way of directly comparing the suitability of different environments as a habitat for life. The classical definition of a habitable environment is one that has the presence of a solvent, for example water, availability of the raw materials for life, clement conditions and some kind of energy source, so we tend to define a place as 'habitable' if it falls into the area where these criteria overlap on a Venn diagram. This is fine for specific instances, but it gives us no quantifiable way of comparing exactly how habitable one environment is in comparison with another, which I think is very important," said Dr Hagermann, who originates from Recklinghausen in Germany...

"There may be good reasons why such a habitability index is not going to work and, with so many variables to consider, it is not going to be an easy task to develop. However, this kind of index has the potential to be an invaluable tool as we begin to understand more about the conditions needed for life to evolve and we find more locations in our Solar System and beyond that might be habitable," said Dr Hagermann.


We all believe, as an article of faith, that life evolved from dead matter on this planet. It is just that its complexity is so great, it is hard for us to imagine that it did. ~ Harold Urey

Every time I write a paper on the origin of life, I determine I will never write another one, because there is too much speculation running after too few facts. ~ Francis Crick

Many investigators feel uneasy stating in public that the origin of life is a mystery, even though behind closed doors they admit they are baffled. ~ Paul Davies

Nobody understands the origin of life. If they say they do, they are probably trying to fool you. ~ Kenneth Nealson

Next time somebody tells you something that sounds important, think to yourself, 'Is this the kind of thing that people probably know because of evidence or is it the kind of thing that people only believe because of tradition, authority or revelation?' And next time somebody tells you that something is true, why not say to them, 'What kind of evidence is there for that?' And if they can't give you a good answer, I hope you'll think very carefully before you believe a word they say. ~ Richard Dawkins
 
2009-09-21 12:57:37 PM  
What if this thing were used where life already exists?
 
2009-09-21 01:26:16 PM  
You know for an illiterate guy, Bevets sure quotes a lot of peoples writing. He even manages to quote most of the ScienceDaily article without realizing it has nothing to do with evolution, abiogenesis, cosmology or anything at all beyond "Is it possible for humans to possibly live there?"

A stunning new low.
 
2009-09-21 01:29:34 PM  
AdolfOliverPanties: What if this thing were used where life already exists?


It would undoubtedly destroy such life, in favor of its new matrix.

/it is easier to destroy than to create
//Bevets is a tool
 
2009-09-21 01:36:01 PM  
Bevets: noncreative, nonoriginal creationgarbl

Y'know, I've just given up on you. From now on, you get tiny Penn Jillette:

img29.imageshack.us

And I sincerely hope that other Farkers take up the STFU.gif banner. Until and unless you post stuff that you exude from your own brain. Then perhaps something approaching meaningful dialogue can occur. Not before then.
 
2009-09-21 01:40:38 PM  
ninjakirby: You know for an illiterate guy, Bevets sure quotes a lot of peoples writing. He even manages to quote most of the ScienceDaily article without realizing it has nothing to do with evolution, abiogenesis, cosmology or anything at all beyond "Is it possible for humans to possibly live there?"

A stunning new low.


No, no, no. It doesn't have to be evolution. Sir Bevets is that (fortunately) rare type of Godbotherer: The ones that are so mind-numbingly egotistical about being "God's creations" that they honestly believe that no life exists anywhere else in the universe. Y'see, because the Elizabethan translation of the Ancient Hebrew texts of the work that is now known as Genesis are apparently the word-for-word literal truth, and because it doesn't explicitly state that God created another world somewhere, that means he didn't! Oh, and ocelots don't exist either (God didn't specifically mention creating them). Nor do hypotenuses. Or David Hasselhof.
 
2009-09-21 01:54:34 PM  
dahmers love zombie: The ones that are so mind-numbingly egotistical about being "God's creations" that they honestly believe that no life exists anywhere else in the universe


That is so unbelievably retarded. Do you know how big the universe is? Because I don't. No human brain can comprehend it. No one can comprehend how big our own galaxy is and there are billions of those. If there was such a thing as a mathematical impossibility it would be the notion that there isn't sentient life like ours elsewhere in the universe. To think otherwise is insane. Why would God create such a vast universe only to make one planet capable of intelligent life that constantly pisses him off and disappoints him?

And the stars you see every night? Most of them are made of light that took millions of years to get here. The true nature of the universe is so much more impressive than the notion that this 6,000 year old planet is the center of the universe that an infinitely pissed off God created.

I know Bevets is probably just a troll but a lot of people really believe all of that.
 
2009-09-21 02:06:58 PM  
TFA: For instance, while visible and infrared wavelengths are important for life and processes such as photosynthesis, ultraviolet and X-rays are harmful.

No, lack of imagination is harmful. These are sources of energy. That they are harmful to life as we know it now does not mean they are harmful to everything, or couldn't be used as an energy source. It hasn't even been one generation since we discovered that all life just on this planet is not dependent on visible light and photosynthesis.

TFA: The classical definition of a habitable environment is one that has the presence of a solvent, for example water, availability of the raw materials for life, clement conditions and some kind of energy source

And by making subjective and unproveable assumptions about all of them, and how to weight them, you can solve your equation--assuming these are the only factors, in itself an assumption. First magnitude hubris, that.
 
2009-09-21 03:12:22 PM  
BevetsRichard Dawkins: Next time somebody tells you something that sounds important, think to yourself, 'Is this the kind of thing that people probably know because of evidence or is it the kind of thing that people only believe because of tradition, authority or revelation?' And next time somebody tells you that something is true, why not say to them, 'What kind of evidence is there for that?' And if they can't give you a good answer, I hope you'll think very carefully before you believe a word they say.

You know, for someone who consistently posts quotes instead of citing actual evidence in support of your claims, I find this choice of a Dawkins' quote very amusing.
 
2009-09-21 03:29:20 PM  
Dr Hagermann and colleague Prof Charles Cockell have the ambitious aim of developing a single, normalised indicator of habitability, mathematically describing all the variables of each of the four habitability criteria. Initially, they are focusing on describing all the qualities of an energy source that may help or hinder the development of life...

"There may be good reasons why such a habitability index is not going to work and, with so many variables to consider, it is not going to be an easy task to develop. However, this kind of index has the potential to be an invaluable tool as we begin to understand more about the conditions needed for life to evolve and we find more locations in our Solar System and beyond that might be habitable," said Dr Hagermann.

Bevets:

We all believe, as an article of faith, that life evolved from dead matter on this planet. It is just that its complexity is so great, it is hard for us to imagine that it did. ~ Harold Urey

ninjakirby:

You know for an illiterate guy, Bevets sure quotes a lot of peoples writing. He even manages to quote most of the ScienceDaily article without realizing it has nothing to do with evolution, abiogenesis, cosmology or anything at all beyond "Is it possible for humans to possibly live there?"

A stunning new low.


The reasonable view was to believe in spontaneous generation; the only alternative, to believe in a single, primary act of supernatural creation. There is no third position. For this reason many scientists a century ago chose to regard the belief in spontaneous generation as a "philosophical necessity." It is a symptom of the philosophical poverty of our time that this necessity is no longer appreciated. Most modern biologists, having reviewed with satisfaction the downfall of the spontaneous generation hypothesis, yet unwilling to accept the alternative belief in special creation, are left with nothing. ~ George Wald
 
2009-09-21 03:32:12 PM  
I love the Drake.
 
2009-09-21 03:34:14 PM  
I never understood how people could watch Mad About You without remembering how nasty that dude was.
 
2009-09-21 03:34:54 PM  
It is difficult to terraform a planet, because planets are so big. Instead we should try to make astronauts more like aliens, maybe we should make aliens sexy so that people who look a bit like an alien will be sexy and have more children. Repeat for a few generations (like 4) and then you have people who can live on the other planet.
 
2009-09-21 03:35:58 PM  
Drake-like equation?

Something like:

got oil = we're going
 
2009-09-21 03:36:46 PM  
hahahaha, i just came in to laugh at Bevets.

/leaves happy
 
2009-09-21 03:37:13 PM  
rodeofrog: I love the Drake.

"Hate the Drake!!"
 
2009-09-21 03:37:57 PM  
The thing is, as scientists learn more about the universe, we're finding that it's even less likely that there is complex life to be found on other planets. Between the kinds of space junk flying around that would have destroyed us if not for the gas giants at the outside of solar system to the fact that we've somehow avoided gamma ray bursts to our atmosphere not floating off into space really makes it remarkable that life ever came about at all. And then, for it actually to evolve to the point where it is up to the level of self-cognition? Very, very unlikely, and even more unlikely that we would ever find it if it even did exist. Hate to burst your bubbles, but a Star Trek future just isn't going to happen.
 
2009-09-21 03:38:09 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2009-09-21 03:38:54 PM  
Does it contain a variable for "amount of bullshiat you're willing to buy from Frank Drake"?
 
2009-09-21 03:39:24 PM  
phlegmmo: Drake-like equation?

Something like:

got oil = we're going


Really, where all this oil you mouth-breathin' liberals keep talking about?? I'm waiting....
 
2009-09-21 03:39:33 PM  
Kirk's son actually died of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome.

square pegs
 
2009-09-21 03:40:15 PM  
8.5 tailed fox: It is difficult to terraform a planet, because planets are so big. Instead we should try to make astronauts more like aliens, maybe we should make aliens sexy so that people who look a bit like an alien will be sexy and have more children. Repeat for a few generations (like 4) and then you have people who can live on the other planet.

but then they would no longer be human
 
2009-09-21 03:41:25 PM  
Do you think if there is life on other planets, if God sent his son in their image to save them from eternal sin?
 
2009-09-21 03:43:04 PM  
dahmers love zombie: Or David Hasselhof

The David Hasselhoff does not exist. That which we call David Hasselhoff is merely a vessel. A vessel that apparently stores great quantities and types of alcohol.
 
2009-09-21 03:43:17 PM  
8.5 tailed fox: It is difficult to terraform a planet, because planets are so big. Instead we should try to make astronauts more like aliens, maybe we should make aliens sexy so that people who look a bit like an alien will be sexy and have more children. Repeat for a few generations (like 4) and then you have people who can live on the other planet.

Or just steal all the resources while you inhabit an avatar.

/tohmato, tomahto
 
2009-09-21 03:43:19 PM  
Read that as "hitability"

Been on the net too long
 
2009-09-21 03:43:24 PM  
so bevets believes the bible was written by god via human conduits?


'What kind of evidence is there for that?'
 
2009-09-21 03:43:34 PM  
img19.imageshack.us

Drake-like typing detected.
 
2009-09-21 03:47:47 PM  
Mugato:

And the stars you see every night? Most of them are made of light that took millions of years to get here.


Well, actually... no. Pedantically-speaking, unless you're talking about starlight from M31, M33, or M81 (the only three possibly-naked-eye galaxies that count), none of the stars you see at night could be millions of light-years away; they're all Milky Way stars, and therefore can't be more than about 80,000 light-years away. and most of the naked-eye stars are much closer than that.

They aren't made of light, either. But you know that.

/being a nitpicker, yes
//also ignoring the Magellanic Clouds
 
2009-09-21 03:48:51 PM  
Fourty two.


Equation solved, let's move on. Nothing to see here...
 
2009-09-21 03:49:20 PM  
Bevets on the weekend:

www.theonion.com
 
2009-09-21 03:50:11 PM  
rastjr: Do you think if there is life on other planets, if God sent his son in their image to save them from eternal sin?

Stay away from the mormons
 
2009-09-21 03:51:22 PM  
www.cinemaretro.com

WHHHAAAAATTT?

/hot like Corinthian Leather
 
2009-09-21 03:53:31 PM  
Shaggy_C: The thing is, as scientists learn more about the universe, we're finding that it's even less likely that there is complex life to be found on other planets.


Hardly. The number of planets in this galaxy alone might as well be infinite as far as we can comprehend. What rational mind would conclude that livable conditions would only be possible on this one world? It's absurd.

No one here is talking about a Star Trek future. Faster than light travel...comparable technologies...that's a whole different ball game. But the lack of other intelligent life on Earth not existing I say is as impossible as you can get.
 
2009-09-21 03:53:37 PM  
rastjr
Do you think if there is life on other planets, if God sent his son in their image to save them from eternal sin?


God: Jebus, I got you booked in to a virgin womb on Rigel 7.
Jebus: Not this stuff again.
God: On exit, try to crawl for a hole in the ground. Rigellian women tend to eat their kids.
Jebas: It didn't fly on Earth, why do you think it'll go over on Rigel 7.
God: We're trying something new. Instead of healing the sick and appealing to the worst of the worst, you'll play a wicked banjo and do illusions - really big magic tricks. The big message will be: "Smile God luvs Ya."
Jebus: "Luvs Ya"?
God: Say it with a smile. It works.
Jebus: Why not go Old Testament on them? Smite 'em from orbit?
God: If it doesn't work this time, I will. I'll wipe the whole place out and put up a Denny's. A Denny's the size of a million galaxies. "Bottomless Coffee and Endless Seating".
Jebus: I'd hate to be a waiter there.
God: Perish the thought. You're going to be a Dining Room Manager.
 
2009-09-21 03:54:38 PM  
yes?
 
2009-09-21 03:55:53 PM  
burndtdan: Bevets on the weekend:

That was from an article from the Onion, just FYI. Although I think there are people that are that stupid.
 
2009-09-21 03:56:49 PM  
images.cheezburger.com
 
2009-09-21 03:57:03 PM  
Mugato: Why would God create such a vast universe only to make one planet capable of intelligent life that constantly pisses him off and disappoints him?

It's a test. If we manage not to destroy ourselves we get the rest of the universe as our grand prize. If not, God will just poof up another set of sentient beings on another planet, plop down a book and see what happens.
 
2009-09-21 03:57:10 PM  
Surprised this hasn't made an appearance yet:

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2009-09-21 03:57:49 PM  
burndtdan: Bevets on the weekend:

The lulz is the lady on the right, who probably uses fundamental tenents of science to engage in voting.
 
2009-09-21 03:58:08 PM  
rodeofrog: I never understood how people could watch Mad About You without remembering how nasty that dude was.

I had to put on the gravity boots, but i got there. Sweet.
 
2009-09-21 03:58:21 PM  
we can't even get this planet together and we're looking towards other planets???


never mind the fact that we can't afford it because we've decided that the top 1 or 2% will never have enough wealth.


big dummies.
 
2009-09-21 03:58:59 PM  
Mugato: dahmers love zombie: The ones that are so mind-numbingly egotistical about being "God's creations" that they honestly believe that no life exists anywhere else in the universe


That is so unbelievably retarded. Do you know how big the universe is? Because I don't. No human brain can comprehend it.
46-billion light years across give or take.

No one can comprehend how big our own galaxy is and there are billions of those.

100-thousand light years across, contains 100-billion stars give or take

If there was such a thing as a mathematical impossibility it would be the notion that there isn't sentient life like ours elsewhere in the universe. To think otherwise is insane. Why would God create such a vast universe only to make one planet capable of intelligent life that constantly pisses him off and disappoints him?

And the stars you see every night? Most of them are made of light that took millions of years to get here. The true nature of the universe is so much more impressive than the notion that this 6,000 year old planet is the center of the universe that an infinitely pissed off God created.

I know Bevets is probably just a troll but a lot of people really believe all of that.


I applaud your argument in and of itself, it was simply lacking
 
2009-09-21 03:59:43 PM  
burndtdan: Bevets on the weekend:

He's also a huge fan of the flat earth society.

makingmaps.files.wordpress.com

/Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve
//My cultured southern heritage doesn't come from monkeys
 
2009-09-21 03:59:50 PM  
Mugato: AdolfOliverPanties: What if this thing were used where life already exists?


It would undoubtedly destroy such life, in favor of its new matrix.

/it is easier to destroy than to create
//Bevets is a tool


he'd be a much better troll if he used links that did not go to his own website
 
2009-09-21 04:00:18 PM  
This is just random imagination, refactored into a scientific-sounding equation. If the values to plug in can not be determined, the equation is useless as well.

Read this article by Michael Crichton:
Aliens Cause Global Warming
 
2009-09-21 04:00:59 PM  
Bevets: Massed WTF level useless quoting

Ya know... for a long time, I figured Bevets for some sort of fundybot experiment, sort of like Eliza. As time goes by, however, I begin to suspect "he" is a crack team of radical atheists, bent on making all of Christianity look horribly, woefully stupid. With all of that intellectual dishonesty, mangled quotes, and assorted copy/pasted ignorance, he is far far more harmful to any form of convincing display of Christianity then all of our silly facts and reproducible experiments.

In Short:

GO BEVETS! POST SOME MORE!
 
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