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(Boston Globe)   New York landlord accused of arranging stabbing, beating of rent-control tenants   ( divider line
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2003-03-11 08:24:25 AM  
2003-03-11 08:25:35 AM  
Look, it says here CLEARLY in paragraph 22 of the lease that this is all legal, all in order, so you'll just have to accept the beatings and stabbings or face a rent increase.
2003-03-11 08:25:43 AM  
Total Farkers arrange mugging of repeat postings.
2003-03-11 08:26:24 AM  
Okay, so I'm an idiot and a bumpkin because I don't live in NYC... But, what exactly is a "rent-controlled" apartment? How do you con your landlord into signing a legal agreement to never raise your rent (which is what this sounds like)? I don't think anyone where I live (the midwest) has ever lived in such a place.
2003-03-11 08:26:53 AM  
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2003-03-11 08:30:01 AM  
What, again?
2003-03-11 08:30:05 AM  
Wasn't this posted yesterday?
2003-03-11 08:32:05 AM  
Those poor guys should just get the hint and move already. They're get cut up more than the Exorcist airing on PBS.
2003-03-11 08:33:06 AM  
Just a minute -- what were the extenuating circumstances? Was their rent late?

(Amazing -- $1250 a head for extermination? Who says prices are out of control in NYC?)
2003-03-11 08:33:13 AM  
Let me be the . . .second? to cry:

/me ducks

2003-03-11 08:33:33 AM  
Greed: it brings out the best in humanity and stabs 'em! *sigh*
2003-03-11 08:35:34 AM  
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2003-03-11 08:37:17 AM  
Pete and Repete were sitting on a fence....
2003-03-11 08:37:48 AM  
All you need to know about rent control
2003-03-11 08:39:01 AM  
Isn't it ironic that farkers, after reading in the comments that an article is a repeat, feel compelled to also comment that an article is a repeat?

And for those of you who may question my use of irony, please go to: Perfect Irony.
2003-03-11 08:39:32 AM  
"Law & Order" has already done an episode on this...last season.
2003-03-11 08:43:44 AM  
My Apartment Life:
'83 - Moved into townhouse with Marian McCowen (a friend of a friend) Moved out cause she was doing serious drugs and had wierd friends.
'84 - My own place in a studio cinder block dump called the Southernaire Apt on Highland Ave in Memphis.
'86 - Moved into a townhouse with 2 girl roomates (Kim & Lynn) in Greensboro NC. Moved out after 6 months.
'87 - Moved to Kernersville to be near my girlfriend Kelly. She dumps me 3 months later.
'88 - Moved to small studio apt over a bar in Winston-Salem. Moved out after girl is murdered in next apt. Too creeped out.

I know this was painfully self indulgent. But I've come to believe that even the reposts are better hijacked then filled with complaints.
2003-03-11 08:44:08 AM  
Law & Order: Elevator Inspection Unit

2003-03-11 08:44:51 AM  
Ask your parents and the manufacturers of all those spray cans you huffed.
2003-03-11 08:45:18 AM  
2003-03-11 08:45:54 AM  
Rent-control was instituted in the 60s when veterans were coming back and there was a huge housing demand. In order to keep residents from being forced out of their homes the state of new york and the city made the rent of apartments locked to increase at 7.5% as long as they resided there. Most apartments now are rent adjusted which is closer to 20% increase anually.
To have a rent-controlled apartment in NYC is like sitting on a goldmine. My gf's family lives in Chinatown in a rent-control apartment and the landlord has been trying to find everyway to get them evicted, including not taking the rent checks.
Everyone is envious of RC's, they pay a little over $200 per month while the rest pay over $1200.
2003-03-11 08:49:03 AM  
$200/month is quite unusual even for a rent control apartment.... rent-control is disappearing rapidly and most apartments designed for middle income residents in the city are being privatized and turned into super-expensive yuppievilles....

trying to murder your tenants is pretty much par for the course in this city...
2003-03-11 08:49:22 AM  
yeah whats it to you - welcome to New York - we like our winters cold, our cabbies crazy, our subways drivers on crack and our landlords criminally insane - why else would you pay $2400 for a studio apartment overlooking the wtc!

How comes TotallyFarkedDude doesn't have a Total Fark tag?
2003-03-11 08:49:30 AM  
Damn Bump after all that I'm afraid what your 90's experiences are like...and btw, Happy belated Birthday! Hope you had a good one!
2003-03-11 08:51:13 AM  
Icenine, that made no sense. Was it supposed to be funny?
2003-03-11 08:52:52 AM  
FLA Chickie: I moved around a lot in the 80's due to bad roomates myself. A friend jokingly biatched me out because I trashed her address book because of all of my new addresses. I gave up on the roomate thing 13 years ago and life is so, so much better....

This idiot landlord admitted to only wanting to "hurt them"!!!
2003-03-11 08:55:13 AM  
Rent Control is how come a $2,000 a month apt rents for $450 a month, the owner can't charge more, and as long as the lease-holder lives they get what amounts to nearly free rent.

Its a holdover from liberaler (is that a word?) times, when "inner cities" were suffering from a mass exodus of "white people" to the suburbs, and thus were thought to be "decaying." In an effort to change this, rent control was instituted in NYC.

Now those with rent control act like they have a birthright entitlement -- one that you wouldn't have in almost any other city in the US.

I live in a Seattle area that would be rent controlled if it was NYC. When I moved here 10 years ago, it was still "a slum" (full of blacks and gays) and rents were cheap. Now, the "young urban professional" types have bid up the neighborhood and rents are double what they once were.
Except now, the dot-bomb effects are taking hold, and rents are actually coming down, though not nearly as much as they went up originally.

I can't say Rent Control is bad but I can say NYC is the only place that has it. People say "if you can make it in NY you can make it anywhere" but I wonder about that -- if you handed someone a half-of-market-value apt in the middle of a city, how could they not make it?
2003-03-11 09:04:18 AM  
FLAChickie Thank you. After the murdered nieghbor thing, I moved into a rented house with my girlfriend/future wife. Now the only thing murdered where I live is kittens. A LOT of kittens. Bushels and bushels of demised felines....
2003-03-11 09:10:28 AM  
Bump... Remember "The Burning Bed" when you go to sleep....(grin)
2003-03-11 09:11:37 AM  
hey LostAgain, do you have your little HTML Enabled button checked?
2003-03-11 09:16:19 AM  
Man, NYC is insane. How do "regular" people (aka not wealthy yuppies or brokers) afford to live there? shiat, I can barely afford an apartment in Guelph, and I'm not a hobo, people, I'm a molecular biologist...
2003-03-11 09:21:27 AM  

I pay $200 a month, Boston area....Somerville to be exact.
2003-03-11 09:21:49 AM  
all the folks who think rent control/stabilization is an insane idea need to be aware that the folks subsidizing their existence working 20 hour days in the garment district sweatshops or even pouring your lattes need to be able to live reasonably near their places of work, too....
2003-03-11 09:35:26 AM  
One of the major problems with rent control however is alot of people sublet their rent controlled apartment. I know one girl who rents her apartment from another girl, who sublets it from her grandmother who lives in florida now.
2003-03-11 09:37:14 AM  
Anyone for the three-peat?
2003-03-11 09:42:54 AM  
Rent Control (or rent welfare as I prefer to call it) is a way to help subsidize vacation homes and nice cars and city garage expenses for a select few city folk who accomplished the momentous task of arriving in the city before most of the other poor schmucks. But because it is paid for by landlords rather than the government, it doesn't have that nasty stigma of other government welfare programs, so people actually BRAG about taking advantage of it. But it still IS what it IS: rent welfare.
2003-03-11 09:43:39 AM  
feh. people that sublet their rent-controlled apartments get kicked out sooner or later.... very illegal.... easier to kick out a subletter than to murder your tenants.
2003-03-11 09:47:48 AM  
MsPentyuth: good points, though "rent welfare" is a bit uber-conservative sounding. the way things are set up in NYC is... er... klunky at best. i believe mia farrow rented a gigantic apartment on the upper west side for $600 or so for many years.... the co-ops built for middle-income residents were a much better idea but they're being privatized at an even faster rate than rent-controlleds/stabilized are coming to market value.
2003-03-11 09:47:48 AM  
BGrey, you're joking right? Those workers you mention NEVER have the controlled apartments, but rather are crowded into group flats and houses in Queens, the Bronx and outer Brooklyn.
2003-03-11 09:50:01 AM  
i think we posted past each other MsPentyuth....
2003-03-11 09:52:51 AM  
rent control is yet another politcal tool to gain short term votes because the negative effects take awhile.

but in the end, you see run-down apartments, discontented tenants, and landlords who only rent to people who bribe them.
2003-03-11 09:53:14 AM  
and I do have friends barely eaking out an existence that benefit from rent controlled places. my point would be that simply because a system works badly doesn't mean it should simply be thrown out the window. it should be FIXED or at least improved.
2003-03-11 09:56:14 AM  
This is separate from "Section 8", correct? In the broad sense, I think you can lump the two together -- Section 8 is what gets used in other areas to make affordable housing for low income families (renters pay part of rent, gubmint pays the rest). This, of course, sounds like a wonderful idea. In reality, it's nothing short of abuse from the looks of it. I don't see how rent-control is much different other than the burden being placed on the landlord. If I were a landlord, I wouldn't be happy with that kind of setup. I believe it's a great idea for people that need it (and certainly those people existed in the 40's, 50's), but now I think it amounts to theft because some, if not most, of the people living in these apartments do not need the assistance.
2003-03-11 09:59:15 AM  
Rent controls generally lead to less overall housing in the rent controlled area:
1. New housing is not built because rent prices are too low to justify the cost of building.
2. Existing buildings are abandoned (illegally) because the costs of owning the building (property taxes, utilities, maintenance) exceed the rent that can be collected.
3. People can afford larger apartments (more sq-ft per person) if rent controls are in place, which allocates the available units to fewer people.
2003-03-11 10:09:32 AM  
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2003-03-11 10:09:59 AM  
Right on, Grimlock. What socialists don't understand (but the rest of us learned in our first economics class) is that when you artificially lower the price of something (be it widgets, tires, or rent) you be definition create a shortage of that something. Increased demand due to lower price + no additional supply = shortage.
2003-03-11 10:17:55 AM  
Add to that, the lack of supply caused by years of artificially lower prices has raised the rent prices for everyone else.
2003-03-11 10:28:37 AM  

Perhaps if more people had a concept of basic economics then they wouldn't automatically vote for people who promise to control prices or pass tariffs to "protect American workers."
2003-03-11 10:31:21 AM  
"Basagoitia told authorities he only wanted the men to be injured. "

See? Come on guys, lay off the landlord! It's not like he wanted these people killed or anything! He's a nice guy, really!
Ant [TotalFark]
2003-03-11 10:38:25 AM  
Generation_D: I live in a Seattle area that would be rent controlled if it was NYC. When I moved here 10 years ago, it was still "a slum" (full of blacks and gays) and rents were cheap.

Capitol Hill? I used to live there. Damn yuppies and their stupid condos....
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