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(CBC)   Officials at the Edmonton Valley Zoo will not bring in more veterinarians to examine Lucy, their Asian elephant, retired game show host and animal activist Bob Barker was told Thursday afternoon. Wait, what?   (cbc.ca) divider line 81
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2009-09-17 11:43:19 PM
www.mojoimage.com


OH IT'S ON NOW...
 
2009-09-18 12:32:27 AM
whut?
http://tinyurl.com/mpedgl
(copy and paste)
 
2009-09-18 12:37:36 AM
Old Bob needs to shut his whore mouth and go back to what he's good at...sexually harassing Showcase models.

/GTFO my town old man.
 
2009-09-18 12:38:03 AM
shiat is about to hit the fan.
 
2009-09-18 12:39:38 AM
Keep government out of my elephant healthcare.
 
2009-09-18 12:50:47 AM
Was anyone else hoping for an asian elephant game show host?
 
2009-09-18 12:58:55 AM
I thought this was a another drunken Fark subby, then I HARTA and realized it was quoted.

WOW
 
2009-09-18 01:00:07 AM
Seems to me that the zoo folks are being a bit obstructive -- apparently, they've chosen to go with a single vet's opinion over and above the opinions of ten other vets who have examined the animal and pronounced her fit to travel. Hmmmm....

Edmonton, ON is NOT an ideal place for an elephant to live, let's face it. Her natural habitat would be tropical. No wonder she's suffering from health problems at the relatively young age of 31. I do believe she'd be better off at the sanctuary.

/not a vet
//Not a member of PETA
///just someone who believes that the animal's welfare should be the primary concern
 
2009-09-18 01:02:45 AM
Yeah for the City of Champions. We need our pachyderm artist, so hands off!
 
2009-09-18 01:03:12 AM
He'll haul the elephant to California for a case of Coors.

a.getbackimages.com
 
2009-09-18 01:05:00 AM
@RealFarknMcCoy2: AB, not ON.

Our zoo is a sham (imo)...Calgary's is much better

/Edmontonian
 
2009-09-18 01:05:16 AM
Link (new window)
 
2009-09-18 01:07:20 AM
the_colonel: He'll haul the elephant to California for a case of Coors.

OK, you win.
 
2009-09-18 01:11:41 AM
l.yimg.com

He'll get over it
 
2009-09-18 01:12:07 AM
He just wants to have her spayed.
 
2009-09-18 01:16:48 AM
Do you have any idea how much that will cost?
 
2009-09-18 01:23:04 AM
I know how they can save on elephant vet bills and lion feed bills all at the same time.
 
2009-09-18 01:26:45 AM
dallylamma: /GTFO my town old man.

THIS.
 
Juc
2009-09-18 01:38:44 AM
RealFarknMcCoy2: Edmonton, ON

You can call me any name you want and I'll shrug it off. But there are some things you can't unsay, such as implying I live in Ontario.
 
2009-09-18 01:42:45 AM
LUCY THE MARGATE (N.J.) ELEPHANT
i236.photobucket.com


/Don't let this happen to YOUR elephant
 
2009-09-18 01:44:28 AM
rodeofrog: Do you have any idea how much that will cost?


It ain't peanuts.
 
2009-09-18 01:44:42 AM
GTFO Bob Barker and take PETA with you...

Although, hold up. Who knows this story well? Is the zoo really treating the elephant that badly?

I have seen some pretty janky zoos. But I have not seen the Edmonton zoo, so I don't have an opinion. Is it legit? Or is this elephant suffering? My tendency is to hold the zoo in greater esteem by default when their opponent is PETA, but I am open to the possibility that PETA, despite their ludicrous methods and general douchebaggery, could be right.

Also, if the elephant is outside in the winter, it's probably better off in California. I really hate it when I read about warm-weather creatures being kept in sub-Arctic conditions, and vice versa.
 
2009-09-18 01:50:01 AM
I think the GTFO Bob Barker statement stands when I read this vet statement though:

""[Lucy's] current respiratory problems preclude any thought of moving her and in fact it would (be) life threatening for her to be placed under that kind of stress. It is my opinion that it would be unethical for any veterinarian to recommend moving her and in fact would be malpractice to sign a health certificate for her at this time."

That's from the vet that examined her last week.
 
2009-09-18 01:50:19 AM
A reliable vet hired by the zoo says she's not fit to be moved.

An outside agency wants to have her examined by other vets until they find one that says she CAN be moved.

Setting aside whether or not an elephant even belongs in Canada, why are we assuming the zoo is wrong and PETA is automatically right?

It's not like PETA hasn't put it's own interests ahead of animal welfare before...
 
2009-09-18 01:56:13 AM
www.cbc.ca

Just answer the question! If the elephant were made into barbeque spare ribs, would you eat it?
 
2009-09-18 01:58:32 AM
Loucifer: rodeofrog: Do you have any idea how much that will cost?


It ain't peanuts.


You're closest without going over.
 
Juc
2009-09-18 01:59:14 AM
bobbette: GTFO Bob Barker and take PETA with you...

Although, hold up. Who knows this story well? Is the zoo really treating the elephant that badly?

I have seen some pretty janky zoos. But I have not seen the Edmonton zoo, so I don't have an opinion. Is it legit? Or is this elephant suffering? My tendency is to hold the zoo in greater esteem by default when their opponent is PETA, but I am open to the possibility that PETA, despite their ludicrous methods and general douchebaggery, could be right.

Also, if the elephant is outside in the winter, it's probably better off in California. I really hate it when I read about warm-weather creatures being kept in sub-Arctic conditions, and vice versa.


The Edmonton zoo is a bit of a POS. Honestly we should drop the cash to build a proper zoo or close the place down.
 
2009-09-18 02:16:49 AM
Loucifer: Just answer the question! If the elephant were made into barbeque spare ribs, would you eat it?

WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN
 
2009-09-18 02:21:42 AM
Loucifer: Just answer the question! If the elephant were made into barbeque spare ribs, would you eat it?

Thread Over. You win.
 
2009-09-18 02:22:44 AM
Loucifer: Just answer the question! If the elephant were made into barbeque spare ribs, would you eat it?

Yes, but only after I re-create the end credits of the Flintstones with them.
 
2009-09-18 02:23:34 AM
Juc: The Edmonton zoo is a bit of a POS. Honestly we should drop the cash to build a proper zoo or close the place down.

any zoo that has a guinea pig exhibit is a POS zoo...but it's OUR POS zoo!
 
2009-09-18 02:41:03 AM
Mr_Ectomy:
any zoo that has a guinea pig exhibit is a POS zoo...but it's OUR POS zoo!


I say to heck with our zoo. Close it down and just send the kids to Torrington instead.
 
2009-09-18 02:44:20 AM
etherknot: Mr_Ectomy:
any zoo that has a guinea pig exhibit is a POS zoo...but it's OUR POS zoo!

I say to heck with our zoo. Close it down and just send the kids to Torrington instead.


I hear the Gazuu is awful.
 
2009-09-18 03:09:17 AM
Mr_Ectomy:

I hear the Gazuu is awful.

*plink*
brandautopsy.typepad.com
"What did you dumb-dumbs just say about me?"
 
2009-09-18 03:16:30 AM
bobbette: GTFO Bob Barker and take PETA with you...

Although, hold up. Who knows this story well? Is the zoo really treating the elephant that badly?

I have seen some pretty janky zoos. But I have not seen the Edmonton zoo, so I don't have an opinion. Is it legit? Or is this elephant suffering? My tendency is to hold the zoo in greater esteem by default when their opponent is PETA, but I am open to the possibility that PETA, despite their ludicrous methods and general douchebaggery, could be right.

Also, if the elephant is outside in the winter, it's probably better off in California. I really hate it when I read about warm-weather creatures being kept in sub-Arctic conditions, and vice versa.


Their zoo is a shiathole. The animals are forced to look at Edmontonians every day, ALL DAY.
 
2009-09-18 03:21:39 AM
etherknot: Mr_Ectomy:

I hear the Gazuu is awful.
*plink*

"What did you dumb-dumbs just say about me?"


sorry, I meant the Guzoo (new window)
 
2009-09-18 03:43:31 AM
Rubber Biscuit:
Their zoo is a shiathole. The animals are forced to look at Edmontonians every day, ALL DAY.


that made this entire thread worth the price of admission
 
2009-09-18 04:00:41 AM
Rubber Biscuit: bobbette: GTFO Bob Barker and take PETA with you...

Although, hold up. Who knows this story well? Is the zoo really treating the elephant that badly?

I have seen some pretty janky zoos. But I have not seen the Edmonton zoo, so I don't have an opinion. Is it legit? Or is this elephant suffering? My tendency is to hold the zoo in greater esteem by default when their opponent is PETA, but I am open to the possibility that PETA, despite their ludicrous methods and general douchebaggery, could be right.

Also, if the elephant is outside in the winter, it's probably better off in California. I really hate it when I read about warm-weather creatures being kept in sub-Arctic conditions, and vice versa.

Their zoo is a shiathole. The animals are forced to look at Edmontonians every day, ALL DAY.


Thread winner.
 
2009-09-18 04:15:42 AM
http://tinyurl.com/nhk36agorgor: whut?
http://tinyurl.com/mpedgl
(copy and paste)


Do you ever sleep? Or is it something else?
 
2009-09-18 04:29:24 AM
I have family and friends that are zoo keepers. They are people that have dedicated their lives and careers to taking care of animals. They all hate PETA.

I'm with the zoo on this one, simply because it's PETA, Bob and that stupid shelter (which is in a bad geographic location for elephants).

/Price is wrong, Bob
 
2009-09-18 04:35:27 AM
PETA is made of a bunch of arseholes- the ones at top, at the least. You want to support animals, you support the ASPCA...

As it is, this thread is made of so much win. Great find, subby.
 
2009-09-18 04:53:03 AM
bobbette: Rubber Biscuit: bobbette: GTFO Bob Barker and take PETA with you...

Although, hold up. Who knows this story well? Is the zoo really treating the elephant that badly?

I have seen some pretty janky zoos. But I have not seen the Edmonton zoo, so I don't have an opinion. Is it legit? Or is this elephant suffering? My tendency is to hold the zoo in greater esteem by default when their opponent is PETA, but I am open to the possibility that PETA, despite their ludicrous methods and general douchebaggery, could be right.

Also, if the elephant is outside in the winter, it's probably better off in California. I really hate it when I read about warm-weather creatures being kept in sub-Arctic conditions, and vice versa.

Their zoo is a shiathole. The animals are forced to look at Edmontonians every day, ALL DAY.

Thread winner.


You used to be cool :(

/sniff
 
2009-09-18 05:22:38 AM
dorbak: @RealFarknMcCoy2: AB, not ON.

Our zoo is a sham (imo)...Calgary's is much better

/Edmontonian


As a fellow E-towner, I agree. I think the off leash dog park next to the zoo is bigger than the zoo even.
 
2009-09-18 05:34:49 AM
This article has better info I think, including name of the vet reasons against doing further examinations etc.
http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/edmonton/2009/09/17/10957386.html
 
2009-09-18 05:47:42 AM
In other news, Bob Barker is still alive.
 
2009-09-18 06:08:57 AM
Doctor Jan Itor: I have family and friends that are zoo keepers. They are people that have dedicated their lives and careers to taking care of animals. They all hate PETA.

I'm with the zoo on this one, simply because it's PETA, Bob and that stupid shelter (which is in a bad geographic location for elephants).

/Price is wrong, Bob


Well, you're an arse then. This zoo is not taking proper care of this animal - she's going to suffer and die if she stays there. You've seen posts by people who've visited the zoo - they say it's a POS. Why would you condemn an animal to suffer and die in a POS zoo just because you happen to hate PETA? Wait, I already answered that question, didn't I? You're an arse.
 
2009-09-18 06:22:22 AM
I'm not with PETA - but I did adopt Winston the bear from this place (125 bux)


The Detroit Zoo gave up WANDA (Asian Elephant)

After a 3 day journey that took them across the country, the two Asian elephants from the Detroit Zoo arrived safely at ARK2000 early Friday morning, April 8th, 2005. A caravan of their keepers and caregivers, veterinarians and other staff and, a large array of their favorite toys accompanied them



The Edmonton elephant is the ONLY elephant there (and it's fricking COLD there)- While I would i like it to go to pawsweb.org I would hope that it would survive the journey.


Here is the story from Paws
lh5.ggpht.com

Elephants are large, highly intelligent and intensely social animals. Long-term research on free-ranging elephants indicates large, complex spaces, and social contact with a sufficient number of other elephants, is critical to their physical and mental health.

In captivity, African and Asian elephants should be kept in warmer climates. Although they may spend a few hours a day outdoors in temperatures that fall below freezing, elephants who live in frigid environments must spend the majority of their time confined indoors, many without the benefit of companions.

Lucy is a lone, female Asian elephant who was torn from her mother and family when she was two years old and sent to the Edmonton Valley Zoo in Canada. In 1989, when Lucy was 14, an African elephant calf named Samantha - who suffered the same traumatic loss of family in her native habitat -joined Lucy in the freezing arctic temperatures.

Samantha was moved to a zoo in the United States in 2007, and Lucy has lived alone since that time. Although Lucy is loved by her keepers and the visitors to the zoo, she is paying a high price for their affection. As we have seen with Maggie from the Anchorage Zoo in Alaska, Lucy needs the space, natural habitats, social interaction with other elephants and a more temperate climate - all critical to her physical and mental health.

PAWS has tried for several months to promote a dialogue with the Edmonton Zoo to discuss bringing Lucy to ARK 2000 where she can enjoy a warmer climate, expansive habitat and other elephant companions. The zoo continues to ignore pleas from us, and from others, to at least discuss her plight.

There have been reports that Lucy's health precludes moving her, and the zoo is contemplating bringing other elephants in as temporary or permanent companions.
If Lucy's health is an issue, it will not improve if she remains in her present situation, and bringing other elephants in to that frigid climate would be unacceptable.

It is the opinion of scientists who have studied elephants and their behavior in the wild that Lucy should not be kept in that environment. On July 18, 2009, Joyce Poole, Ph.D., who is considered a world expert in the field of elephant behavior and communication, wrote in a letter to the Edmonton City Council, "I have studied elephants and worked for their conservation and welfare since the year that Lucy was born. . . It is my considered opinion that the Edmonton Valley Zoo must, with all urgency, allow Lucy to live out the remainder of her life in a warmer climate and in a setting where she is free to roam outdoors and to interact with members of her own species. Only in this situation does Lucy have the chance to make a recovery. After 32 years of captive misery, Lucy deserves to be given what is in her best interests. I urge the Edmonton Valley Zoo to put her needs first, and send Lucy to California, to PAWS, where she has been offered such a home."


And - yes I care more for animals than humans (farks articles help with that decision)
 
2009-09-18 07:04:26 AM
hjy6: I'm not with PETA - but I did adopt Winston the bear from this place (125 bux)


The Detroit Zoo gave up WANDA (Asian Elephant)

After a 3 day journey that took them across the country, the two Asian elephants from the Detroit Zoo arrived safely at ARK2000 early Friday morning, April 8th, 2005. A caravan of their keepers and caregivers, veterinarians and other staff and, a large array of their favorite toys accompanied them



The Edmonton elephant is the ONLY elephant there (and it's fricking COLD there)- While I would i like it to go to pawsweb.org I would hope that it would survive the journey.


Here is the story from Paws


Elephants are large, highly intelligent and intensely social animals. Long-term research on free-ranging elephants indicates large, complex spaces, and social contact with a sufficient number of other elephants, is critical to their physical and mental health.

In captivity, African and Asian elephants should be kept in warmer climates. Although they may spend a few hours a day outdoors in temperatures that fall below freezing, elephants who live in frigid environments must spend the majority of their time confined indoors, many without the benefit of companions.

Lucy is a lone, female Asian elephant who was torn from her mother and family when she was two years old and sent to the Edmonton Valley Zoo in Canada. In 1989, when Lucy was 14, an African elephant calf named Samantha - who suffered the same traumatic loss of family in her native habitat -joined Lucy in the freezing arctic temperatures.

Samantha was moved to a zoo in the United States in 2007, and Lucy has lived alone since that time. Although Lucy is loved by her keepers and the visitors to the zoo, she is paying a high price for their affection. As we have seen with Maggie from the Anchorage Zoo in Alaska, Lucy needs the space, natural habitats, social interaction with other elephants and a more temperate climate - all critical to her physical and mental health.

PAWS has tried for several months to promote a dialogue with the Edmonton Zoo to discuss bringing Lucy to ARK 2000 where she can enjoy a warmer climate, expansive habitat and other elephant companions. The zoo continues to ignore pleas from us, and from others, to at least discuss her plight.

There have been reports that Lucy's health precludes moving her, and the zoo is contemplating bringing other elephants in as temporary or permanent companions.
If Lucy's health is an issue, it will not improve if she remains in her present situation, and bringing other elephants in to that frigid climate would be unacceptable.

It is the opinion of scientists who have studied elephants and their behavior in the wild that Lucy should not be kept in that environment. On July 18, 2009, Joyce Poole, Ph.D., who is considered a world expert in the field of elephant behavior and communication, wrote in a letter to the Edmonton City Council, "I have studied elephants and worked for their conservation and welfare since the year that Lucy was born. . . It is my considered opinion that the Edmonton Valley Zoo must, with all urgency, allow Lucy to live out the remainder of her life in a warmer climate and in a setting where she is free to roam outdoors and to interact with members of her own species. Only in this situation does Lucy have the chance to make a recovery. After 32 years of captive misery, Lucy deserves to be given what is in her best interests. I urge the Edmonton Valley Zoo to put her needs first, and send Lucy to California, to PAWS, where she has been offered such a home."


And - yes I care more for animals than humans (farks articles help with that decision)


Her sinus and trunk are so swollen she has to breathe from her mouth. How long has she been like that? Obviously her care givers at the Edmonton zoo are not giving her the proper care. They have allowed her to get an infection and refrained from properly treating it to the point where it is now dangerous for her to travel! WTF people! They have mistreated her to the point that she can not be removed from the offending environment without the risk of death?
And this is okay with with that zoo? Really?


Here is another solution.(albeit more expensive) How about Bob Barker, PETA and PAWS go halvesies with Edmonton and the zoo to build a proper indoor structure for Lucy? A large indoor habitat, big enough for multiple elephants. Then, when they find another sick lonely Canadian elephant living in sub-par condition, they have somewhere closer to send it and Lucy gets more pachyderm company.



/also like animals more than people
 
2009-09-18 07:20:36 AM
bobbette: I think the GTFO Bob Barker statement stands when I read this vet statement though:

""[Lucy's] current respiratory problems preclude any thought of moving her and in fact it would (be) life threatening for her to be placed under that kind of stress. It is my opinion that it would be unethical for any veterinarian to recommend moving her and in fact would be malpractice to sign a health certificate for her at this time."

That's from the vet that examined her last week.


The vet that WORKS FOR Edmonton Valley Zoo.
 
2009-09-18 07:35:02 AM
lajimi:

That's from the vet that examined her last week.

The vet that WORKS FOR Edmonton Valley Zoo.


Yes, Zoo's tend to employ vets, or so I've been told. What with all the animals to look after and stuff.

It's not like a doctor who works for big tobacco . . . it's a farking Zoo. They're not out bribing vets to tell the media what they want. Sheesh.
 
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