Now this really makes me smile.

Farkers have clicked on the above link 6969 times

hehe, 6969 times.

got ur ims, lart. when i respond, tells me ur not available

69percent its an orgy!

ugh.

Ok, I'm going to sleep.

Okay. I must be the only one here that's going to have the balls to admit this. Not only do I think that her boss had every right to fire her, but I believe that her firing was every bit an asset to the company & her own safety.

First off, when you're on the job you don't go out of your way to drop your "friend" that's riding with you off at the scene of a crime. (Besides the fact that she had said "friend" with her while she was working.....WTF?! Since when is it okay to bring your friends to work with you?)

Secondly, she went to the scene of a crime when she didn't know crap about what was going on. The shooter could've still been around. She could've been putting herself & her friend in serious danger. If the victim would've died, she's now possibly liable for that individual's death....all it takes is a lawsuit from some pissed-off relative. And if she's liable, since she was on the clock, her employer is too. Or if something did happen to her or her friend, her employer would've DEFINITELY been liable for it.

This was a blatant disregard for any business policy that was probably firmly in place. As an employer, you don't keep people who make stupid decisions like that and jeopardize your business & their own lives without being sincerely put in that situation (i.e. if it happens while you're actually doing your job and you didn't get a "gossip" phone call and want to blow off the work and check it out the news).

Fark her. She can't handle making adult decisions, then she can find herself a different employer. It's obvious that the pizza delivery business is just too much responsibility for her. She needs to try the fast-food market, me'thinks

agree with mistersym in a way.he might have made his case stronger by mentioning the child of the delivery woman. she walks into a bad situation, gets popped, her kid is without a mother. you're not the only person to put this in writing here, you just chose different words.

that site is not nearly as farked as i thought it would be (the restaurant review site, not going to link to it, as it is much easier for YOU to scroll up than it is for ME to learn html){and easier for you to scroll up than it is for you to cut and paste}

i'm glad to see that very few trolls went and farked it up. i would encourage no one to call and order fake pizzas either. not because it will give fark a bad name (as danagaooc seems to think it will) but because it's really not for any of us to jump in on. the manager had a right to fire that woman, even if we think it's shiatty. we have the right to act, but we have the responsibility to think it through first. i can almost gaurantee that the residents of the town will put that pizza place under without your help.

How people are justifying this poor woman's firing is truly indicative of why I really shouldn't be reading Fark comments. It shows a fundamnetal disrespect for this woman because she delivers pizzas for a living. If it was a university professor who was late for a class because he / she was helping a gunshot victim, no one would be at this "she deserved to be fired bor breaking the rules" bullshiat. America, congratulations, you've just given yourself a class system. In Canada this is still the case of an assclown manager who deserves what he's giong to be getting for the next week or so.

Suing Frank ain't gonna happen. What are her damages? Lostwages from delivering pizzas? Small claims court only.
AND she has to show that she wasn't dismissed for just cause, which it appears she was. Despite the fact that she was helping someone who needed help, if she'd been doing her job properly in the first place, she wouldn't even have been there.

No good deed goes unpunished. I imagine the poor timing and publicity will punish Frank's Pizza quite sufficiently.

i don't think the guy isn't an assclown. he *DID* have the right to fire her. he was an assclown for excercising that right. i believe that. but i also believe it isn't my (or anyone else's) place to harass him. the resident's of the town will (i'm willing to bet) excercise their right to not eat at that pizza shop. the invisible hand strikes again!

03-11-03 04:39:48 AM SpaceCoyote
How people are justifying this poor woman's firing is truly indicative of why I really shouldn't be reading Fark comments. It shows a fundamnetal disrespect for this woman because she delivers pizzas for a living.

No, it shows a fundamental disrespect for someone who is supposed to be working, but has their friend there hanging out with them until they get a personal phone call at which point they drive to a crime scene and then miss the rest of their shift.

The fact that she delivers pizza is immaterial; she could easily have been a college professor who was hanging out with a friend in between classes, gets a phone call, leaves campus and drives to a crime scene, and gets mixed up in something that makes her miss the rest of her classes for the day. And, has done it before.

Getting involved when a situation happens before you is admirable and decent; unless you're a police officer, firefighter, or EMT, going off in search of a situation is irresponsible and deriliction of duty - and grounds for termination.

SpaceCoyote: Were it a University Professor who got the news about the shooting from his TA (who got the news from a phone call just like in this story), and he decided to take off & drop off said TA at the scene of the crime, then was subsequently held up for hours - missing valuable classes & leaving his students hanging - because he stopped to take care of the victim, there is no way this University is keeping the Professor around. It doesn't even have to happen in the middle of one of his classes - even between classes. IT'S A BLATANT DISREGARD FOR POLICIES THAT HAVE BEEN SET UP BY THE SCHOOL (OR PIZZA JOINT) & COUNTLESS OTHER EMPLOYERS TO KEEP THEIR EMPLOYEES SAFE FROM HARM & THE BUSINESSES SAFE FROM LIABILITY. Even with these policies firmly in place (and firmly upheld by employers), this continent is still plagued by frivolous lawsuits blaming businesses for what people don't want to be told is really their own faults (or at least NOT the fault of the business).

And America, not unlike every other farking country in the world, has had a class system since its establishment. Canada has a class system. GB has a class system. Communist Russia had a class system. So is it supposed to be an insult to Americans that we have a class system

Shemp beat me to it. Well, at least we both uphold the lack of logic in SpaceCowboy's argument. And that's the important fact.

Had she actually been anywhere remotely near the shooting when it occurred, and was brought into the situation unwillfully (as in being a witness, or just hearing the gunshot in the neighborhood & rushing to help someone screaming, etc.), then she is completely justified in acting & subsequently missing work.

But she wasn't. And now she has no job. I don't cry for her one bit, this nosy, gossipy, meddling woman. What I do truly cry for is the business owner, who now - just because this woman happened to be involved in a "heroic" activity (really, how heroic is holding a pillow over someone's abdomen?) & assisted in saving a shooting victim's life - has to take public blame because his side of the story isn't ever going to be truly well-represented in print anywhere. He's likely going to suffer serious business casualty. And that's because the public loves a villian, no matter if they were really the villian or not

actually, mistersym, i think it is an insult to america that we have a class system. we are supposed to be the nationt that rises above that. we are supposed to be the nation that transcends all that has come before. if you're right, and i think you are, then america is just one more failed experiment in the history of human relations.

Mofo: As much as I agree with you that I think it's sad that class systems still exist, I think you're very wrong to assume that the US is the nation that was designed to transcend the class system. The Constitution was not written to eliminate classes, redistribute resources to the lower classes, or transcend every "wrong" perceived by each & every member of society. The forefathers of this country never had a form of socialism or egalitarianism in mind when they agreed upon the basic ideas that eventually formed the text of the Constitution.

What ideas they DID put in writing were the concepts that each individual has fair representation in govt, is not overly taxed, and has certain inalienable rights; that businesses must be regulated by a universal code of ethics; and that the federal govt would control the militia, coin money, and accept a debt for the benefit of the whole of the people.

In fact, for little under 200 years of the history of this country, it was govt policy that the businesses & owners had a great deal more power than they do now. The federal govt regularly backed business owners when strikes occurred, forcing the workers to go back to work or face imprisonment. It wasn't until the 20th century that the 8-hour workday, child-labor laws, or the minimum wage was established.

Simply put, this country has a long history that in no way supports the concept of egalitarianism. The great SUCCESS (not a failure at all) of the experiment that is the US is that the Constitution was written to be amendable, the lower classes have a bona fide representation in the govt, and media is not supressed (allowing the free & open exchange of ideas & philosophies).

All-in-all, I'd consider it quite a success. Look how far we've come in such a short time vs. how long it took other sovereign nations to get where they are. We are a relatively young country in comparison to everyone else out there and have proven how well our system really does work

Mistersym -

Bravo, good post. In fact, if I were to start my own sovreign nation, I think I'd start with the US Constitution as a framework. Granted, there are some things I would probably change, but it's a pretty good basis.

Yeah, Cricket...I've seen a little bashing of this woman for her choice of career/employment. Of course, people are just showing how farking idiotic they can be for bashing someone for working as a pizza delivery driver.

LOOK AT THE ECONOMY, PEOPLE! It's in the shiathole, there are fewer jobs available than there have been in decades, & we don't have many prospects of economic recovery in the near future. This woman could be a highly-skilled PC Engineer that's just taken this job because she can't find crap for work.

I've gotta say, at least she's working and not sucking at the teat of the mighty unemployment insurance. I could personally name quite a few Farkers that are not working & refuse to "sacrifice" their dignity by taking such a "lowly" job. Guess what, you moral sinkholes? You're scum for sitting on your lazy asses, lamenting about how you go the short end of the stick in the lay-offs, instead of getting out & raising your self-esteem by holding some sort of productive role in our society.

As wrong as she was by screwing around on the job, at least she had one.

I'm sure Competition pizza company will hire her quickly. Imagine the publicity.

You KNOW someone is going to give her a job over this.

Heck. *I* was tempted for a second to see if I could give her a job. Then I remembered I'm a peon, and can't hire anyone. Also, I'm not in Canada.

I can't believe the statements being made in here. Regardless of whether her boss was "right" or "wrong" she did the right thing which was making an attempt to save a human life. Nothing else matters. She also may be an asshat who deserved to get fired but at least she showed value in human life. Management can justify firing her in any way that makes them feel better but she did the right thing.

She realized someone's life was more important than a pizza. Bravo.

Not for nothing, but if she beat both the ambulance AND the cops to a shooting, she was obviously pretty farking close by to start with.

As a casual observer, a question...

Is this really worth this much debate? Yep, the boss was less than compassionate. Yes, she did some dumb things. No, she probably didn't deserve to be fired based solely on what was presented in the news.

We have an imminent war on one, possibly two fronts. The national economy is in the toilet, and we have a hawkish imbecile, allegedly doped, as our national figurehead. Our international image is utterly destroyed - we've lost a decade of bridge-building. Is the canning of an ersatz Good Samaritan all we have to discuss today?

I can understand this conversation as a way of relieving the strain of our current events by debating something like this, but over 170 messages?

Sheesh - I've posted two already. Ah, well, time for more boobies....

wow, judging a woman because she delivers pizza. Must be nice to still be suckling from your parents teat. Someday you'll be in the real world, kids.

(I'm sure you treat such people accordingly too)

Actually, in the "real world", it's usually teenagers who deliver pizza. That's because a grown woman is expected to have at least a small assemblance of a career.

Kellyclan- Don't fool yourself, the cops and EMT's are the slowest thing going. My friends father had cancer, and when he collapsed in his house my buddies brother immediately called the fire department for the EMT's, it took them 20 minutes to get there, and his father died on the floor. Their mother is a nurse at Albany Medical Center, and the father was a Battalion Cheif for the Albany Fire Department. You would think with his standing, a little urgency would be taken. The sad thing is, the fire derpartment EMT's are right around the corner from his house.

There you go again. Judging. How is it up there?

Must be nice to have it all figured out "3p0".

and it's "semblance", dumbass, not "assemblance".

LMAO, silly conservatives:

If they're single parents on welfare, they're worthless scum. If they're single parents working minimum wage jobs, they're worthless scum. If they're single parents working minimum wage jobs, they have no education. If they have no education, they're obviously lazy, what with all the COMPLETELY FREE institutions of higher learning, and so they're worthless scum.

If the article doesn't state rules about driving around when not on call or having passengers in the car, they're obvious biased and these people damn well should know NOT to do either of those things just in case.

I bet this gets posted again. Just a hunch.

Please,

It's great up here! I make more than minimum wage, and I don't absolutely depend on tips just to make sure I can pay the bills! It's awesome! Know how I got here? By NOT blatantly disregarding all the rules set at my workplace.

Is it bad that she's not some bigshot exec making 6 figures a year? Absolutely not. But given the situation, and the fact that she's done it before (see other article) and was reprimanded, she obviously makes a habit of slacking. Hence, she deserves her minimum wage shiat job.

As for the dumbass comment.. I could easily point out your multiple sentence fragments, lack of punctuation, lack of capital letters, etc. But civilized folks like us don't stoop to such levels, right?

FormlessOne

I'm with you. I'm not spending my 20th birthday debating this, it's time for boobies.

... oh yea, and studying for those 2 exams I have tomorrow. .... FARK! >_<

I heard an interview with the woman on the radio last night. Two more tidbits of information:

She found out through word of mouth that she was fired. Her boss told everybody else before he told her.

He told her she was fired because she was nosy.

/flame on

Hey Barnett.

You should really not be posting people's personal information on a Fark messageboard, just begging people to harass him. How do you know you've got all the details, that this guy deserves to be harassed? Dickhead.

I could say anything I want right here, and some Farker would believe me, and then use the info below to harass you.

Andrew Barnett
(314) 569-3266
1201 Charter Oak Pkwy
Saint Louis, MO
63146

Expecting to see a lot of you folks boycotting slave labour products from China now..

Why? It's the same farking thing, isn't it? Is it different to support slave labour somewhere verses firing someone for helping a gunshot victim? Do you REALLY change your purchase decisions based on the morality of the people supplying the product? Give me a farking break, ok?

You shouldn't have your complete business destroyed because you buy stuff made by slaves but Frank's Pizza should because HE made a mistake. What a bunch of weak, moralistic high handed bull.

bk

no one is reading this thread anymore but I thought I would point out the size of Selkirk Mantitoba, demonstrating how easy it would be to get to 'happen' upon any acident.

And for anyone who has lived in a small town you will know how hard it is to get ANY job let alone a decent one.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?addtohistory=&country=CA&address=&city=se lkirk&state=mb&zipcode=&historyid=&submit.x=71&submit.y=7

Just don't get any blood on my farking pizza, okay?

Generally shootings involve dirt bags with bad diseases.

OK, just to wrap this thread up...

...I can understand this conversation as a way of relieving the strain of our current events by debating something like this, but over 170 messages?

The points you bring up are all valid and perfectly accurate. Only thing is, we debate those almost every day. We need a break. And if a flamewar about a different stupid dip-dunk no-load power-mad fool that's only in charge of pizzas, not the world's last superpower, will turn our wrath on somebody we can hammer--then so be it.

Actually, in the "real world", it's usually teenagers who deliver pizza. That's because a grown woman is expected to have at least a small assemblance of a career.

Boy, you've been asleep for the last two years, haven't you? Here's a hint. There's a LOT of people who HAD a semblance of a career(the word "career", btw, come from the same Latin root as the word "careen", and means pretty much the same thing: to move at high speed and headlong, lurching into the turns)--then one day they walked into work, the boss tapped them on the shoulder and pointed to the 'pink slip' sitting on top of the inbox, and said they have 15 minutes to clean out. Why? Not for disregarding rules like this, just "downsizing". Men too, btw, ask Aeonite.

So, people that HAD a decent job are now in the service sector, making it impossible to sort the idgits from the intelligent just by current job title. See MrSym's post. And as has also been noted, service jobs tend to pay little and have bosses that are sticklers for minor shiat. My guess is their lack of a place in the big scheme of things makes them want to lord over their little slice of the world.

Here's a pic of the pizza place, dudes!!! Complete with the lady who got fired. :)

http://www.globeandmail.com/archives/RTGAM/images/20030311/wpizz0311_x/0311piz za.jpg

Already submitted to Fark for a photoshopping, but who knows if it will be accepted.

hmm, methinks Franks is about to see a sudden loss of business.

Ohhh, too easy.

I wouldn't hit it.

- DRFSR

I thought Canada was supposed to be understanding and all that crap.

W00t! I got it right :D