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(Guardian)   Some sick bastard put Dan Brown's new novel on the internet for some damn reason or other   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 242
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2009-09-16 03:10:45 PM  
TsukasaK: I actually liked the The Da Vinci Code, So i'm really getting a kick out of most of these replies.

/the two newest ones though.. every repost is repost repost


Read them all. Don't ask why. I was really surprised that an editor would actually allow him to submit the exact same story five times and pass it off as new material.

Seriously, Da Vinci Code, Angels & Demons, Deception Point, Digital Fortress and now this... same story.

/this is a repost
 
2009-09-16 03:12:16 PM  
ds394: Wow... what a bunch of haters.

Personally, I'm happy to hear that people are still reading books. I had a friend once who said he'd read 3 books in his life outside of school; he was 21.

Obviously, Dan Brown is WAY beneath all you hoity-toity people here on Fark, where the average IQ is 180, all the men are good-looking, and all the women are strong.

Good gracious. For everyone that hates Dan Brown: Promise me you'll replace reading one of his books with reading some Hemingway or something. At least go read a book. Then you can stop complaining that everyone else is reading a book too.


You say it better than I can. Thread over.
 
2009-09-16 03:12:19 PM  
Although I think his other books were mediocre, I really enjoys Angels and Demons, despite the escape from Helicopter scene.

I will probably finished the Lost Symbol this weekend. Screw the hates around here.

/No, I don't like Michael Bay's movies.
 
2009-09-16 03:14:34 PM  
The only way 3 people can keep a secret is if two of them are dead.
 
2009-09-16 03:15:53 PM  
It amazes me that so many people seem genuinely surprised to find out that Dan Brown books are considered utter and complete lowest common denominator garbage.

Those people that laughed when you told them how much you loved "The Davinci Code"? Yeah, they were laughing at you, not with you.
 
2009-09-16 03:16:03 PM  
Some sick bastard put Dan Brown's new novel on the internet in a bookstore for some damn reason or other.

ftfy subby
 
2009-09-16 03:16:32 PM  
ds394: Wow... what a bunch of haters.

Personally, I'm happy to hear that people are still reading books. I had a friend once who said he'd read 3 books in his life outside of school; he was 21.

Obviously, Dan Brown is WAY beneath all you hoity-toity people here on Fark, where the average IQ is 180, all the men are good-looking, and all the women are strong.

Good gracious. For everyone that hates Dan Brown: Promise me you'll replace reading one of his books with reading some Hemingway or something. At least go read a book. Then you can stop complaining that everyone else is reading a book too.


If someone reads 3 books in a year and a crappy book is one of them, it doesn't make it less crappy. I've never read more than a chapter or so of his books because I got bored and wandered off to other things so I won't personally attest to whether I think they're shiat or not, but telling a bunch of people to stuff their opinions up their collective ass because you think these novels have some intangible redeeming value is a big pile of horseshiat.
 
2009-09-16 03:16:41 PM  
ds394: Promise me you'll replace reading one of his books with reading some Hemingway or something. At least go read a book.

I alternate one classic with one fluff. A few years back, after the last Harry Potter, I remember thinking that Rowling had a few very good thoughts or well-crafted moments every other page or so. I followed it up with Bleak House. fark me if Dickens didn't have something awesome going on in every god damned sentence.
 
2009-09-16 03:18:07 PM  
Control_this: It's a clue.

This is exciting!


And 'Oh look, a plot twist or device out of the blue/deus ex machina because I wrote myself into a corner! Whoopsie!'

Gah.

I read TDC about four or five times (bathroom reading - srsly), and each time became more and more dissatisfied with it. After that, I have refused to read any more of his tripe.

//soooooooo overrated
/I can write better tripe
 
2009-09-16 03:18:44 PM  
Porous Horace: Why read Dan Brown when you can read Umberto Eco?

Agreed.

Eco is one of my favorite authors. Far too often, those who write well lack the substantive intellect to make it worthwhile, while those with real substance lack a quality writing ability. Eco, thankfully, is a master of the written word able to draw on his impressive intellect as well as literary, historical, and philosophical knowledge.
 
2009-09-16 03:19:33 PM  
Porous Horace: Why read Dan Brown when you can read Umberto Eco?

thanks
The most intelligent post on fark today
 
2009-09-16 03:19:38 PM  
dead_dangler: It amazes me that so many people seem genuinely surprised to find out that Dan Brown books are considered utter and complete lowest common denominator garbage.

Those people that laughed when you told them how much you loved "The Davinci Code"? Yeah, they were laughing at you, not with you.


Leonardo da Vinci was one of the most famous people of all history and you dont know how to write his name.... okay. I think you could do yourself a favor & stop writing.
 
2009-09-16 03:22:16 PM  
BesiktasBoy83: Leonardo da Vinci was one of the most famous people of all history and you dont know how to write his name.... okay. I think you could do yourself a favor & stop writing.

Wow. Just wow.
 
2009-09-16 03:24:14 PM  
EvilEgg: Eragon was hailed as a fantastic fantasy novel. Harry Potter awed the world. Twilight enthralled millions of women. Were these novels any better than Dan Brown?

All this complaining is like comparing T2 to The Bicycle Thief. Both were enjoyable, but for completely different reasons and on completely different levels


Harry Potter is a well written children's story, Twilight is crap, Eragon rode that wave, and Dan Brown gave people something interesting to think about. Not rocket science, not "War and Peace" but I hate to complain about people reading. Even if it is Twilight.
 
2009-09-16 03:24:31 PM  
BesiktasBoy83
Millions of people love his books,


"Leute, fresst Scheiße! Millionen von Fliegen können nicht irren!"
 
2009-09-16 03:24:32 PM  
Snape kills Dumbledore. Page 606.
 
2009-09-16 03:24:51 PM  
ds394: Good gracious. For everyone that hates Dan Brown: Promise me you'll replace reading one of his books with reading some Hemingway or something. At least go read a book. Then you can stop complaining that everyone else is reading a book too

Actually, I'm reading three biographies (Queen Victoria, Alice of Greece [Prince Philip's mother], and John Adams) and GWTW at the same time. Then, I think I'm going to snitch the Gulag Archipelago from my dad's bookcase this weekend for a change of pace.

And no, I'm not joking.

///I think the correct term for someone like me is "bibliophile"
/you arrogant pain in the ass
 
2009-09-16 03:26:05 PM  
StaleCoffee: If someone reads 3 books in a year and a crappy book is one of them, it doesn't make it less crappy. I've never read more than a chapter or so of his books because I got bored and wandered off to other things so I won't personally attest to whether I think they're shiat or not, but telling a bunch of people to stuff their opinions up their collective ass because you think these novels have some intangible redeeming value is a big pile of horseshiat.

Seriously, are you ill???

I read the comics. I don't claim that by doing so I'm becoming one with the answer to life, the universe, and everything. But it's FUN.

For some people, Dan Brown is FUN. This is like people who argue that playing on a swing is useless because you don't go anywhere so you're not accomplishing anything. It's FUN.

I'm not telling people to stuff their opinions. I'm just saying:
1. Just because you don't like his writing doesn't mean other people don't.
2. Millions of people enjoy his books; but not one of them is here because, as I said, apparently everyone on Fark likes Chianti and Fava Beans. Isn't that amazing to you, too?
3. I STILL think it's good to read; no matter what it is. I remember when Harry Potter came out everyone said her writing was crap etc. Well, I was happy to see a block long line of kids waiting to get the book to read it.

I guess I'm more of a "live and let live" kind of a person.
 
2009-09-16 03:26:40 PM  
My wife was working at Barnes & Noble when The Da Vinci Code just came out. Her favorite was when a customer asked for help finding that "new Dicaprio Code book."
 
2009-09-16 03:27:28 PM  
BesiktasBoy83: dead_dangler: It amazes me that so many people seem genuinely surprised to find out that Dan Brown books are considered utter and complete lowest common denominator garbage.

Those people that laughed when you told them how much you loved "The Davinci Code"? Yeah, they were laughing at you, not with you.

Leonardo da Vinci was one of the most famous people of all history and you dont know how to write his name.... okay. I think you could do yourself a favor & stop writing.


I'm confused. I thought you liked crappy writing.
 
2009-09-16 03:28:11 PM  
Slaxl: I wonder if maybe the reason Brown and his books are so popular is just because they are? It's a self fulfilling prophecy, everyone thinks it's shiat, but because he's popular they know everyone else will buy it and they don't want to be left out of the loop, so 100m people buy it because they want to be able to join in conversation about it.

I can join in a discussion about how much it sucks after reading one page at the bookstore
 
2009-09-16 03:29:06 PM  
There are (119)(+2) posts here...this must mean something. 9-1-1 +2? Mathematically it leads back to the number 9, just how it started....like a snake eating itself....hmmmm

What was that?

Run!
 
2009-09-16 03:30:00 PM  
dead_dangler: BesiktasBoy83: dead_dangler: It amazes me that so many people seem genuinely surprised to find out that Dan Brown books are considered utter and complete lowest common denominator garbage.

Those people that laughed when you told them how much you loved "The Davinci Code"? Yeah, they were laughing at you, not with you.

Leonardo da Vinci was one of the most famous people of all history and you dont know how to write his name.... okay. I think you could do yourself a favor & stop writing.

I'm confused. I thought you liked crappy writing.


Welcome to my ignore list, you arrogant f____ idiot.
 
2009-09-16 03:32:35 PM  
All you Dan Brown fan folks who are pissed at those of us who find his writing deplorable: Got a proposition for you.

Read The Secret History by Donna Tartt. Take your time and don't worry about how long it might take to read. When you are finished take a ten minute break and then start reading something by Dan Brown, any of his books.
 
2009-09-16 03:33:58 PM  
rodeofrog: ds394: Promise me you'll replace reading one of his books with reading some Hemingway or something. At least go read a book.

I alternate one classic with one fluff. A few years back, after the last Harry Potter, I remember thinking that Rowling had a few very good thoughts or well-crafted moments every other page or so. I followed it up with Bleak House. fark me if Dickens didn't have something awesome going on in every god damned sentence.


I'd rather receive a good BJ than have to read Dickens.
 
2009-09-16 03:34:24 PM  
jwa007: All you Dan Brown fan folks who are pissed at those of us who find his writing deplorable: Got a proposition for you.

No one is asking you to read he novels. What consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is no business of yours.
 
2009-09-16 03:35:24 PM  
Why is this man even getting work published?
 
2009-09-16 03:36:10 PM  
Spike Lee's Favorite Farker: I'd rather receive a good BJ than have to read Dickens.

Despite my previous posts indicating that I'm pro reading, I will gladly trade a good BJ than have to read any book written by man. I'm willing to make this sacrifice.
 
2009-09-16 03:36:26 PM  
EvilEgg: No one is asking you to read he novels. What consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is no business of yours.

LOL WUT
 
2009-09-16 03:36:43 PM  
Everything after Flight Of The Old Dog can go somewhere the sun doesn't shine. As long as it's into someone else
 
2009-09-16 03:37:58 PM  
EvilEgg: jwa007: All you Dan Brown fan folks who are pissed at those of us who find his writing deplorable: Got a proposition for you.

No one is asking you to read he novels. What consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is no business of yours.


What are "he novels"? Sounds kinda gay.

/nttawwt
 
2009-09-16 03:39:39 PM  
So lets check this out. So many Dan Brown haters. Must be a bunch of literary critics with degrees to come out with such clear reasons for hating him, oh yeah not one real criticism. "I don't like him" doesn't count. How many of you haters have written any books? None! Hell, how many can write a coherent sentence? Sounds like a bunch of basement dwellers with serious jealousy issues!

Brown writes good escapist entertainment for folks that enjoy a quick relaxing read and are not looking for anything deeper. " Angels and demons" is good right up to the helicopter stunt which pushed believability way off the scale! But, the book kept one guessing all the way to the end, and isn't that the goal of mysteries?
 
2009-09-16 03:39:54 PM  
the cripple did it
 
2009-09-16 03:40:11 PM  
ds394: Good gracious. For everyone that hates Dan Brown: Promise me you'll replace reading one of his books with reading some Hemingway or something.

God no. Hemingway can bite me. When the underlying theme of one of your most celebrated novels is, honest to god, emotional blue balls, you need to have all of your acclaim taken away and used to smack you.

Not that Dan Brown isn't horrible. Kanji does not work that way!

Good books can be enjoyable, too. Once you get past the fact that you could club a bear with it, Infinite Jest is fun as hell. Baby, you had me at "giant feral babies wandering toxic waste dump in Canada."

/Hemingway could take me in a barfight, though
 
2009-09-16 03:40:56 PM  
Spike Lee's Favorite Farker: rodeofrog: ds394: Promise me you'll replace reading one of his books with reading some Hemingway or something. At least go read a book.

I alternate one classic with one fluff. A few years back, after the last Harry Potter, I remember thinking that Rowling had a few very good thoughts or well-crafted moments every other page or so. I followed it up with Bleak House. fark me if Dickens didn't have something awesome going on in every god damned sentence.

I'd rather receive a good BJ than have to read Dickens.


You got me there. I have no choice but to agree that a BJ would be more fun.
 
2009-09-16 03:43:02 PM  
I've read all his books. He's not great, it's fiction-for-the-masses.. It's no worse than Grisham/Crichton/King (post-2000). I would never buy the hardcover, but it's the type of thing I'll pick up on departure from the airport, finish it during the return flight, and leave it in the seat-back pouch.
 
2009-09-16 03:43:42 PM  
elchip: His novels read like screenplays. They have potential to be made into good films, but they never had a very good director at the helm.

Probably because that's what the goal is, to have books made into movies. Even if that wasn't the goal from the start, it has to be now. I mean, it'd be stupid otherwise. Might as well make the product easily adaptable to other media.

cwolf20: Everything after Flight Of The Old Dog can go somewhere the sun doesn't shine. As long as it's into someone else

.........wow. Dude! If there's one thing you never expect to hear about. Ever play the DOS game? I just found the manual for it the other day.
 
2009-09-16 03:45:06 PM  
LOTN: GT_bike: b>Slybri: I was read the first few chapters and, in the story, this guy calls up Langdon and leaves his phone number and Dan Brown writes out an actual number, instead of a 555 fake one, and repeats it a couple times. So I called it.
Some lady answered. I think she sells crackers or something. I dunno. But the lady should sue the publisher.

867-5309?

Don't post private/contact information no matter how easily obtained.


Please, PLEASE tell me you're kidding.
 
2009-09-16 03:45:21 PM  
Paris1127: Hyppy: I'm willing to bet that it's the same damn story. Langdon's colleague is murdered in some way, and he is sent on a goose chase through a historical city to uncover the mystery of a secret society before it's too late. He'll be helped out by an attractive, single female relative or colleague of the slain friend, who will be necessary to thwart the forces of corruption that are impeding his journey.

/amirite?

I read the book yesterday. That's about it, except for one detail.



The shrink was actually dead the whole time ?

or

The chinaman peed on someone elses rug ?
 
2009-09-16 03:46:06 PM  
just_another_asshole/jaa: So lets check this out. So many Dan Brown haters. Must be a bunch of literary critics with degrees to come out with such clear reasons for hating him, oh yeah not one real criticism.

His prose is very poor. His research is atrocious (I really can't even describe how bad it is). His characters are made of cardboard, Langdon especially is a badly disguised Mary Sue. His novels are full of contrived cliffhangers. The plots of his villains make very little sense (esp. in Angels and Demons). All of his books have the same plot. I could go on.

General rule of thumb: If someone defends anything by saying something like "well it's good if you just want to turn your brain off blah blah blah...", what they are defending is crap. Good material engages you without forcing you to suspend your critical faculties. Bad material forces you to make excuses for it.
 
2009-09-16 03:46:14 PM  
"The book's UK publisher Transworld said it was aware of the transgressions and was taking action to have the illegal downloads removed. "It is available on a number of pirate sites," said associate publicity director Alison Barrow, who added that the publisher was asking websites to take down digital copies of the book. "We are not being complacent about this," she said. "It's only the US version so far."

Next on the list, taking the Pee out of a Pool...

/yeah, once it's on the 'net' it ain't coming off...
 
2009-09-16 03:47:27 PM  
raptusregaliter: Then, I think I'm going to snitch the Gulag Archipelago from my dad's bookcase this weekend for a change of pace.

That is easily the most depressing book I ever read. I got halfway through the abridged version and couldn't continue.
 
2009-09-16 03:49:46 PM  
MBooda: persons of interest:

www.bibliotecapleyades.net

JESUS CHRIST!!!



LeviathanFafner: Why is this man even getting work published?

Because they make money as people buy them to read. That is also why the movies make money.
 
2009-09-16 03:52:53 PM  
WoWgirl: I finished reading The Lost Symbol last night. It was an enjoyable, quick page-turner, so it worked. I'm not expecting it to be the end-all, be-all of writing--I just want some amusing reading to help me pass the time. The book qualified in that regard.

This. It's much like the Harry Potter books, another series people love to hate. They aren't the greatest books ever written, but they're fun, easy reads that get people to actually read. Not all books need to be a Ulysses or a War and Peace (two other books held up as the epitome of literature written by great authors that happen to be unreadable.) The fact that these books do get people to read is a good thing. The history blended into Dan Brown's Langdon series makes people want to learn more about history.
 
2009-09-16 03:56:54 PM  
nucal: raptusregaliter: Then, I think I'm going to snitch the Gulag Archipelago from my dad's bookcase this weekend for a change of pace.

That is easily the most depressing book I ever read. I got halfway through the abridged version and couldn't continue.


The Russian writers are all pretty depressing but they're good pieces of literature (poor Russia... they thought they had it bad with the Tsars; Stalin made them look like choirboys)... but the Russians had/have plenty to be depressed about.

I tackled Tolstoy and Dostoevsky at one point and retreated to Barbara Taylor Bradford's la-la-land to keep myself from being clinically depressed. :)
 
2009-09-16 03:57:11 PM  
Why the hate for Dan Brown subbs when the hate should be directed towards his brother Chris
 
2009-09-16 03:58:09 PM  
Action Replay Nick: Dan Brown novels go on my short list of 'things that suck so bad, I won't even steal them.'

Ba-Zing!

seriously though, he's a hack. this is only sad because someone, somewhere, wasted 1's and 0's in order to spread his fail.
 
2009-09-16 03:59:24 PM  
greentea1985: The pseudo-history blended into Dan Brown's Langdon series makes people want to learn more about historydumber than when they opened the book.

FTFY.

Rowling at least had some measure of style even though it shifted a bit as the books got longer. She did manage to convey with words an alternate world of fantasy. I think most Rowling detractors did not attack her writing so much as they thought her stories were connected to devil worshipping. So her detractors left a lot to be desired in the intelligence department also. And who says Ulysses and War and Peace are unreadable? They are both brilliant, and challenging books yes. But they can be read and enjoyed. Joyce might take a bit more concentration that Tolstoy but they are readable.
 
2009-09-16 04:00:08 PM  
Having just stolen this, getting a kick.

Not going to read, just wanted to see how easy it was to get.

"The skull was hollow, like a bowl, filled with bloodred wine."

bloodred? blood-red surely? (willing to be corrected).

This is the 3rd paragraph. hmmm
 
2009-09-16 04:01:55 PM  
ds394: StaleCoffee: If someone reads 3 books in a year and a crappy book is one of them, it doesn't make it less crappy. I've never read more than a chapter or so of his books because I got bored and wandered off to other things so I won't personally attest to whether I think they're shiat or not, but telling a bunch of people to stuff their opinions up their collective ass because you think these novels have some intangible redeeming value is a big pile of horseshiat.

Seriously, are you ill???

I read the comics. I don't claim that by doing so I'm becoming one with the answer to life, the universe, and everything. But it's FUN.

For some people, Dan Brown is FUN. This is like people who argue that playing on a swing is useless because you don't go anywhere so you're not accomplishing anything. It's FUN.

I'm not telling people to stuff their opinions. I'm just saying:
1. Just because you don't like his writing doesn't mean other people don't.
2. Millions of people enjoy his books; but not one of them is here because, as I said, apparently everyone on Fark likes Chianti and Fava Beans. Isn't that amazing to you, too?
3. I STILL think it's good to read; no matter what it is. I remember when Harry Potter came out everyone said her writing was crap etc. Well, I was happy to see a block long line of kids waiting to get the book to read it.

I guess I'm more of a "live and let live" kind of a person.


1. Just because you like his writing doesn't mean other people do.

2. Just because other people find it tripe doesn't make them snobs.

3. Good for you.

You should have gone with "I think they're fun books" from the start, like a couple other people did. It's a much better argument, I think.

Live and let live? Sorry if I was a dick in there, but I'm going to be a dick again and ask if you really believe that after calling a bunch of people ITG's because they shiat on a popular novel?
 
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