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2009-09-16 03:48:13 PM  
People who are against the death penalty have never been touched by evil.
 
2009-09-16 03:49:50 PM  

hetheeme: WFern: Case in point, a friend of mine was a gore-girl, she loved horror movies, the bloodier the better. She was big into this same kind of thing with the death penalty as your co-worker, excited by the idea of it.

This all came to a close when a guy in Houston committed suicide by jumping in front of her car, decapitating himself from the force of the 50-60 mph impact, and having his head roll across her windshield. All of that -so called- "desensitization" went out the window. She has never been the same, she still can see a gory movie, and enjoy video game violence, but the difference between real world violence and fake violence is clear to her now.


The Aristocrats!
 
2009-09-16 03:53:08 PM  

MK-Ultra71: People who are against the death penalty have never been touched by evil.


People who make blanket statements have never been touched by life.
 
2009-09-16 03:53:23 PM  

MK-Ultra71: People who are against the death penalty have never been touched by evil.


That's not correct.
 
2009-09-16 03:54:07 PM  

MK-Ultra71: People who are against the death penalty have never been touched by evil.


People who are for the death penalty have their objectivity clouded.

durbnpoisn: As soon as he was convicted beyond a reasonable doubt, he should have been taken out back and shot.


Which would do what, exactly?
How would that be anything other than an "eye for an eye"?
 
2009-09-16 03:54:12 PM  

Pocket Ninja: It's about freakin' time.


THIS! I lived in the area when this asshat was causing his mayhem.
 
2009-09-16 03:56:16 PM  

MK-Ultra71: People who are against the death penalty have never been touched by evil.


Nonsense! I touch myself *ALL* the time.


On a more serious note, however, I'm surprised that Al Qaeda hasn't twigged to this as a terror method in the United States.

Set up several two man sniper teams, and set them loose. You could send them out all at once in widely separated areas of the country, or you could concentrate them, or if you really wanted to fark with law enforcement set them up to only start once the previous team was caught or killed.

Look at how much two people panicked the DC area. Think of how much panic eight or ten people could create.
 
2009-09-16 03:57:19 PM  
Good.
 
2009-09-16 03:58:08 PM  

craig328: Save your e-spittle for CapitolG, k?


Awww I hurt your feelings enough to include me in your rant, how special.

So when are you going to start making fun of my mom? I mean that's next in line with your 9th grade attack style; keep it up, it flatters you.
 
2009-09-16 03:58:44 PM  

tombotia: It's funny how many pro-life folk are saying "meh" in this case, almost as if there IS a reasonable justification for the DP.

Frankly, provided his trial was fair and the evidence clear I'm all for it. Psychopaths like that need to be dealt with.


He wasn't child rapist enough for the farkers to defend him.
 
2009-09-16 03:59:36 PM  

tomcatadam: Which would do what, exactly?


save us taxpayers a small fortune.
 
2009-09-16 04:00:04 PM  

dittybopper: On a more serious note, however, I'm surprised that Al Qaeda hasn't twigged to this as a terror method in the United States.

Set up several two man sniper teams, and set them loose. You could send them out all at once in widely separated areas of the country, or you could concentrate them, or if you really wanted to fark with law enforcement set them up to only start once the previous team was caught or killed.

Look at how much two people panicked the DC area. Think of how much panic eight or ten people could create.


When this happens you're going to be dragged on CNN just like Tom Clancy was on 9/11 and blamed for instigating.

Don't say I didn't warn you.
 
2009-09-16 04:00:30 PM  

tomcatadam: MK-Ultra71: People who are against the death penalty have never been touched by evil.

People who are for the death penalty have their objectivity clouded.

durbnpoisn: As soon as he was convicted beyond a reasonable doubt, he should have been taken out back and shot.

Which would do what, exactly?
How would that be anything other than an "eye for an eye"?



I'm for the death penalty and I like to think that I consider issues objectively. I'm for a policy that I nor anyone I'm closely acquainted with has had need to use or wish to see applied.

Would you care to qualify your blanket statement by explaining how my support of the death penalty is somehow an indication that I am not thinking clearly and objectively?
 
2009-09-16 04:00:31 PM  

MK-Ultra71: People who are against the death penalty have never been touched by evil.


People for the death penalty are pussies.

Much better to let the guilty live than to kill the innocent. To think otherwise is to think like bin Laden or Arafat.
 
2009-09-16 04:02:39 PM  
I don't have a dog in this fight (could care less if they kill him or let him rot in jail), but why are the people who want a woman's right to have an abortion the same ones that are against execution?

Both are killing.
*I'll sit back and roast marshmallows from the white hot flames
 
2009-09-16 04:03:15 PM  

CapitolG: So when are you going to start making fun of my mom? I mean that's next in line with your 9th grade attack style; keep it up, it flatters you.


Huh?

Oh, I get it. You trolled the list for your own name, someone bit and now you're going to try to initiate an exchange with your betters for a little attention?

I'll pass. Go hump someone else's leg, little fella.
 
2009-09-16 04:05:59 PM  

boyvoyeur: but why are the people who want a woman's right to have an abortion the same ones that are against execution?


kill 'em now so we don't have to later?
 
2009-09-16 04:06:01 PM  
Nightsweat - Much better to let the guilty live than to kill the innocent. To think otherwise is to think like bin Laden or Arafat.

How about if we just kill the guilty ones? The innocent can live.

*Vote Boyvoyeur in 2012!
 
2009-09-16 04:06:15 PM  

boyvoyeur: I don't have a dog in this fight (could care less if they kill him or let him rot in jail), but why are the people who want a woman's right to have an abortion the same ones that are against execution?

Both are killing.
*I'll sit back and roast marshmallows from the white hot flames


Converse is often true. The pro-death penalty folks are often the ones against abortion.

I'm personally for letting criminals rot in a place far worse than prison and making people have licenses to have kids.
 
2009-09-16 04:07:09 PM  

FLMountainMan: MK-Ultra71: People who are against the death penalty have never been touched by evil.

People who make blanket statements have never been touched by life.


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2009-09-16 04:07:31 PM  

Belltower: If you don't get the death penalty, life without parole is generally the alternative, so the latter isn't an issue.


I disagree, because you cannot guarantee me that the murderer will not get out later on a technicality or a change in the law, or that he will not escape.

By contrast, the death penalty is 100% guaranteed to prevent a repeat offense.


Belltower: As for the former, if you execute a lot of people, some will actually be innocent.


That risk is preferrable to the alternative.

Belltower: So you're taking innocent lives to try to prevent the loss of innocent life.


Correct. I believe it is more likely that murderers will repeat their offenses, than it is for innocent people to be executed.
 
2009-09-16 04:09:58 PM  

TsukasaK: Myself, the founding fathers, as well as an ever-growing portion of municipalities disagree with you on that.


I am ok with slave owning racists disagreeing with me on moral issues.


Belltower: it is better one hundred guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer ~ Benjamin Franklin


...unless that innocent person is someone killed by a convicted murderer who escaped the death penalty. Uh huh.
 
2009-09-16 04:11:16 PM  

sadistic-savior: I am ok with slave owning racists disagreeing with me on moral issues.


I find myself hoping you make a pro-gun argument on Fark sometime soon.
 
2009-09-16 04:12:37 PM  

Gamer Grrrl: failing to prevent a murder is nowhere near as bad as committing one yourself.


If the American masses sanction the killing, it is not murder by definition. Just as killing in self defense is not murder.
 
2009-09-16 04:14:51 PM  
I'm opposed to the death penalty because our imperfect justice system has occasionally fried an innocent person. However, in some cases, there's no reason to doubt the guilt of the convicted, and I can't think of a moral or ethical reason why the government shouldn't permanently remove such people from society.

Goodnight, sniperman.
 
2009-09-16 04:16:52 PM  
How many innocent people get convicted each year?

I believe the smoke/fire concept. The likelihood of a jury convicting me for murder is 0.00% You know why? I work, I go home, I go to happy hour, I go to the movies... I don't hang out in the ghetto. I don't know anyone who is on the wrong side of the law.

Every time a kid gets shot, you see the mom crying to the cameras "my boy was a church going boy, he was a good kid!" Is that why he was out at midnight, on a school night, high, with a gun in a bad section of town with all his homeboys? Is that why he has a record at 16 years old? Is that why he has two kids from different mothers?

Smoke/Fire.
 
2009-09-16 04:17:58 PM  

acad1228: TypoFlyspray: acad1228: Killing abortion docs; Wrong
Killing Pro-life protesters; Wrong
Killing the DC Sniper: WTF?!?!? Why is he still breathing?

Yeah, I'll go with that. So long as we get to do the occasional beatdown of Anti-Choice protesters.
Your terms are acceptable as long as you're only beating down those blocking clinic entrances and screaming in womens' faces (and any other generally asshattish behavoir).


Wilco.
Isn't it amazing what we can do if we're all civil about it.
 
2009-09-16 04:18:59 PM  
That sucks, I had $1000.00 on November 9th
 
2009-09-16 04:19:18 PM  

zarberg: I find myself hoping you make a pro-gun argument on Fark sometime soon.


Why?

While I am generally (not always) against gun laws, its not a top issue for me. So I probably wont be commenting on it on here a lot.

The point of my original comment was to illustrate that our Founding Fathers were morally inferior to us in many ways, so expecting us to defer to their opinions on moral issues is ridiculous. Even they didn't believe they were morally supreme, which is why they allowed for amendments to the Constitution.
 
2009-09-16 04:19:39 PM  

boyvoyeur: How many innocent people get convicted each year?

I believe the smoke/fire concept. The likelihood of a jury convicting me for murder is 0.00% You know why? I work, I go home, I go to happy hour, I go to the movies... I don't hang out in the ghetto. I don't know anyone who is on the wrong side of the law.

Every time a kid gets shot, you see the mom crying to the cameras "my boy was a church going boy, he was a good kid!" Is that why he was out at midnight, on a school night, high, with a gun in a bad section of town with all his homeboys? Is that why he has a record at 16 years old? Is that why he has two kids from different mothers?

Smoke/Fire.


You sound smokey, in a burning cross kind of way.

/ Smoke/Fire
 
2009-09-16 04:21:35 PM  

Cog: If the punishment fit the crime they'd let him go but have a sniper follow him everywhere he goes. Then after maybe a day or maybe 10 years...BOOM. HEADSHOT. Let him go around in fear of when it may happen.


No YOU'RE a Towel: I like the cut of your jib.


neglogon: naw, elbow, then kneecap him..... then let him drag himself around a while.


Nogrhi: Or we could just electrocute him with solar power... make sure that at full sun there was just enough juice to kill him but hook him up before the sun rose.... let him warm up to it.


The_Sponge: Send him up to Eastern Washington, where he is hunted down by Gary Busey, Rutger Hauer, Charles S. Dutton, that guy from "Scrubs", and F. Murray Abraham.


And people wonder how Americans could torture. Thank you for explaining, Farkers!
 
2009-09-16 04:23:23 PM  

Nightsweat: MK-Ultra71: People who are against the death penalty have never been touched by evil.

People for the death penalty are pussies.

Much better to let the guilty live than to kill the innocent. To think otherwise is to think like bin Laden or Arafat.


Bullshiat.

If I'm working on a car or something, and I have a defective part (that can't be re-manufactured) to replace, I throw the damn part away. The DC sniper is a prime example of a broken part.

Why should we feed, clothe, and shelter a human being that hasn't lived up to his part of the deal to live on this Earth without seeking to inflict pain, suffering, or death on others out of evil intent?

I have no illusions about life and death. Some people deserve live, others do not. Is it for me to judge? Maybe... people decide life and death all the time. Somebody who is broken to the detriment of those around them (violent, criminally oriented) don't deserve to live.

It's funny that most of the people posting here against the death penalty are in favor of abortion. Call that what it is, too... selective murder. It's the height of insanity that somebody could be in favor of abortion, but not for the death penalty. The other three combinations make sense (Pro-Death Penalty, Pro-Abortion/Pro-Death Penalty, Anti-Abortion/Anti-Death Penalty, Anti-Abortion), because the other three cases represent moral consistency.
 
2009-09-16 04:23:34 PM  

zarberg: dittybopper: On a more serious note, however, I'm surprised that Al Qaeda hasn't twigged to this as a terror method in the United States.

Set up several two man sniper teams, and set them loose. You could send them out all at once in widely separated areas of the country, or you could concentrate them, or if you really wanted to fark with law enforcement set them up to only start once the previous team was caught or killed.

Look at how much two people panicked the DC area. Think of how much panic eight or ten people could create.

When this happens you're going to be dragged on CNN just like Tom Clancy was on 9/11 and blamed for instigating.

Don't say I didn't warn you.


I doubt it. I never get credit for my nefarious ideas.

My best one was an autonomous drug running submarine. You could launch dozens of them, and they'd be completely silent because they'd 'glide' instead of being propelled by conventional motors.

Once you get a bunch of them in the "pipeline", if you lose a few here and there, it's no big deal, and it minimizes the risk to your human assets. You'd set them up so that once they reach their destination, they'd sink and wait to hear a pre-programmed series of DTMF codes, then they'd surface. The guys responsible for picking up the stuff could spend the day fishing, and if all looked clear, transmit the DTMF sequence and look for their sub.
 
2009-09-16 04:29:19 PM  
I'm glad that they are getting this over with quickly instead of letting him sit around on death row for decades...
 
2009-09-16 04:37:27 PM  
TypoFlyspray - You sound smokey, in a burning cross kind of way.

Muhammad is a Jew? I kid, I kid.

I don't care if they are black, white, yellow or tan. Maybe be a productive member of society and bring one of your douchbag homeboys with you too. That's how you stay out of jail.
 
2009-09-16 04:38:44 PM  

Gamer Grrrl: sadistic-savior: The same argument could be made that it SAVES people who might also have been murdered by that person.

No, it really can't.

Failing to protect the public is also a betrayal.

Yes. But there's a difference between "failing to protect the public" and "intentionally executing an innocent person."


Allowing murderers to murder again fails to protect the innocent.

Yes, it's bad. But again, failing to prevent a murder is nowhere near as bad as committing one yourself.

Well, I wouldn't want to take your risk. I also don't want to risk loved ones getting murdered by a guy who escaped execution either.

Well I wouldn't want to risk getting executed for a crime I didn't commit. (new window) Interesting to note that 5 out of 8 of those cases took place in Texas.



Hm. You use that link to buttress your previously stated position of [t]he problem I have with your worldview is that the SYSTEM murders the innocent person.

Your immediate assumption, that 8 cases of career criminals being possibly wrongly convicted for capital crimes, highlighted on an anti-DP site are in fact bona fide examples of innocents being executed is a real stretch.

That site itself pulls up 8 cases...hardly slam dunks of concrete innocence...out of over 1000 executions. That's 8 possibles out of 1000 or 8/10 of 1%. Put another way, the argument is more properly made that the system is 99.2% accurate. I mean, if you can pull 8 possibles and make them absolutes then the opposite discretion is also allowed, no?

So, essentially, your position would then be that a 99.2% accuracy rate isn't good enough? Please consider that the 8 cases you're referring to there are 8 career criminals. The one the site crows about most as the most likely case...yeah, the guy was in the car whilst a drive-by was being performed by his friends. Was he the trigger man? Possibly not...but your assertion of "innocence" starts take on an actual meaning somewhat removed from the lilly white version your trying to insinuate.

Truly innocent folk don't go riding around in cars and shooting at people. Truly innocent people don't accept an offer to go out and kill people and certainly aren't possibly incorrectly identified as the killer in an armed robbery gone bad that they were perpetrating at the time.

When others of us are indeed okay with the possible 0.8% mistake rate WE realize we're not talking about a failure that involves the church choir director or the nice man that drives for meals on wheels or other such people that everyone else would picture accompanying the word "innocent". Your use of the word is technically correct indeed...but your use of it to infer a person who shouldn't be convicted because they weren't doing anything wrong and were an upstanding contributing member of society...that's not quite accurate.
 
2009-09-16 04:45:01 PM  
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"That's a shame".
 
2009-09-16 04:55:50 PM  
Wow, the US finally did something right, who knew.
 
2009-09-16 04:56:50 PM  

Neruos: Wow, the US finally did something right, who knew.


You're German. Do you really want to open up this can of worms?
 
2009-09-16 04:59:29 PM  
Nov. 10th? That's great! Let the USMC execute him by firing squad in celebration of the Corps 234th birthday.
 
2009-09-16 05:01:51 PM  

Neruos: Wow, the US finally did something right, who knew.


[image from dubuque.k12.ia.us too old to be available]

Yeah, finally huh?
 
2009-09-16 05:04:01 PM  

ssssmashing: I for one am all for frying this guy. I'd even flip the switch, press the syringe, fire the shot, tie the noose. However you want it done!


At low, low prices!
 
2009-09-16 05:04:14 PM  

Neruos: Wow, the US finally did something right, who knew.


We did a pretty good job at Dresden.
 
2009-09-16 05:05:16 PM  

winstonsmith2004: Nov. 10th? That's great! Let the USMC execute him by firing squad in celebration of the Corps 234th birthday.


Anyone remember the scene in Full Metal Jacket about Corp riflemen? This could be good on many levels.
 
2009-09-16 05:09:37 PM  
Somewhere, somehow, Fox is preselling tickets.
 
2009-09-16 05:14:04 PM  

gibbon1:
\I'll feel sooo much safer when that guy is dead.


Seriously? Were you honestly concerned about him yesterday? Does this mean you lay awake fearing Charles Manson, too?
 
2009-09-16 05:16:23 PM  
On my birthday! lovely...
 
2009-09-16 05:16:24 PM  

Dr.Knockboots: Cog: If the punishment fit the crime they'd let him go but have a sniper follow him everywhere he goes. Then after maybe a day or maybe 10 years...BOOM. HEADSHOT. Let him go around in fear of when it may happen.

Did I write this? because I came to write exactly this..


No, did *I* write this? because I came to write exactly this..
 
2009-09-16 05:16:35 PM  
They arrested this douche less than 10 miles from where we were living at the time. It was terrifying to know that he might have been staking out my local gas station, or my local grocery store that night.

I'm pro-choice and anti-death-penalty. I believe there is no rehabilitation for this ashhole. Glad to see him go.

Titts.
 
2009-09-16 05:19:30 PM  

dittybopper: MK-Ultra71: People who are against the death penalty have never been touched by evil.

Nonsense! I touch myself *ALL* the time.


On a more serious note, however, I'm surprised that Al Qaeda hasn't twigged to this as a terror method in the United States.

Set up several two man sniper teams, and set them loose. You could send them out all at once in widely separated areas of the country, or you could concentrate them, or if you really wanted to fark with law enforcement set them up to only start once the previous team was caught or killed.

Look at how much two people panicked the DC area. Think of how much panic eight or ten people could create.


Logistics. Even terrorists/guerrillas need logistics, money, food ,safe houses etc.... The usually get those from the usually friendly local population. Since they would be operating on US somebody would rat them out. The US would not be a friendly population for Al Quada, persistent outside support would be required.

Even the drug runners and smugglers won't touch'em. Smuggling dope is one thing. Smuggling support for a guerrilla band is farking dangerous and stupid. You go from cops and DEA agants who arrest rather than shoot to dealing with SF other military weeenies who shoot rather than arrest.

If Al Quada ever fixes that logistics and opsec problems, roving snipers and roving mortar squads can play holy hell with our civilian population though.
 
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