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(Daily Mail)   Bike shop owner fined by council because he doesn't produce any trash   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 89
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2009-09-13 01:46:03 AM
What a load of rubbish!
 
2009-09-13 01:46:36 AM
This is beyond retarded.

/oh wait -- are we not using that word anymore?
 
2009-09-13 01:47:27 AM
Let's not stop here, let's have a NannyState© Trifecta! 3 in a row, we can do it!
 
2009-09-13 01:49:27 AM
At least he wasn't murdered by the City Council's secret society
 
2009-09-13 01:49:37 AM
Daily Mail? Oh yes, I know them alright (^)
 
2009-09-13 01:52:00 AM
Mr Howard is required under the Environmental (Duty of Care) Regulations 1991 to produce evidence as to how he legally and lawfully disposes of commercial waste under his control.

Legally, okay. Lawfully, maybe. Legally and lawfully? now you've gone too far!
 
2009-09-13 01:54:18 AM
I am so glad I don't live in Britain.
 
2009-09-13 01:55:52 AM
www.nndb.com

Nothing is obscure on fark.
 
2009-09-13 01:56:04 AM
But instead the father of four has been hit with a £180 fine - because officers refuse to believe he doesn't create any commercial waste.

*rimshot*
 
2009-09-13 01:56:57 AM
FTFA father of four

Assuming they're his biological children: he could not toss out another piece of trash for the rest of his life and he's already left a massive carbon footprint on the Earth.
 
2009-09-13 01:58:11 AM
If you don't produce trash I'll tax non-existence?

Second British Bicycle Tax (BBT) story in a row, c'mon mods lets see if we can make it 3!
 
2009-09-13 01:58:22 AM
OHNOS LOGIC IN FARK THREAD

Now there are several possible scenarios of what is happening here.

A. They say that he hasn't shown them evidence because they refuse to answer and view it (which he says he has been trying to do).

B. The evidence he is showing isn't stamped and officiated (which they would probably make money). For example I reused this box that was sent to me, and then sent it out again. Here is my finacial statement you will see that I bought no boxes, but I have received 10 boxes of parts, I had 4 orders shipped out and here are the order slips, but I have the other six boxes here waiting.

Either way the real reason council is angry is because they aren't making money.
 
2009-09-13 01:58:23 AM
No trash whatsoever? No snack wrappers, coffee cups, nothing? He composts all his organic waste? He can recycle or reuse all the plastic wrappers associated with his business? I recycle like a madman, and yet it is impossible to live a day without producing any trash.

I'm just guessing, but if it's anything like Belgium (where I live for large parts of the year, and where many towns sell mandatory trash bags), they are worried that he is throwing out whatever trash he does have in the street bins. These are for incidental trash - and you can be fined for using them for household or commercial trash.
 
2009-09-13 01:59:05 AM
That's quite the trashy solution to a simple problem.
 
2009-09-13 01:59:55 AM
Airfoilsguy: I am so glad I don't live in Britain.

Tell me about it. You can't have guns or knives, and pies have meat in them. Nice museums, though.
 
2009-09-13 02:02:00 AM
de_Selby: No trash whatsoever? No snack wrappers, coffee cups, nothing? He composts all his organic waste? He can recycle or reuse all the plastic wrappers associated with his business? I recycle like a madman, and yet it is impossible to live a day without producing any trash.

It said "Commercial Waste", which I assume means shipping boxes and crates, and other business related items. So banana peels and coffee cups wouldn't count, but shipping boxes and bike parts would.

"Commercial waste consists of waste from premises used wholly or mainly for the purposes of a trade or business or for the purpose of sport, recreation, education or entertainment but not including household; agricultural or industrial waste"
 
2009-09-13 02:02:14 AM
bhcompy: At least he wasn't murdered by the City Council's secret society

It would be for the greater good.
 
2009-09-13 02:02:45 AM
I enjoy reading Americans' comments related to legal issues on British news websites.
 
2009-09-13 02:04:44 AM
Fobbed off by city officials?
Giggity
 
2009-09-13 02:05:12 AM
This is just trash talk. I won't be a part of it.
 
2009-09-13 02:08:28 AM
FTA: Im so fobbed off.


I am going to use this phrase as much as possible from now on.


/not fobbed off.
 
2009-09-13 02:11:32 AM
I am all for this. There are simply not enough fattys. Encouraging people to stop exercising and instead sit on the couch to watch Oprah and eat bon bons is the way to go.

www.myspaceantics.com
You know you want it.
 
2009-09-13 02:11:57 AM
Airfoilsguy: I am so glad I don't live in Britain.

Britain is simply the manifestation of 50 years of liberal ideas incrementally deposited in law. It could happen here, in fact it's already started.
 
2009-09-13 02:16:08 AM
The dispute centres around a certificate issued by council waste contractors Cory when businesses pay them £80 to supply 50 commercial waste bags, which can be collected when full.

This sentence made my head hurt.
 
2009-09-13 02:16:42 AM
I'd fine him the £180 for that apostrophe on his sign.

/grammar nazi
 
2009-09-13 02:17:32 AM
He turns all of his garbage in to superfluous apostrophes.
 
2009-09-13 02:18:33 AM
While I turn mine into need less spaces.

/into
 
2009-09-13 02:18:56 AM
relcec: Britain is simply the manifestation of 50 years of liberal ideas incrementally deposited in law. It could happen here, in fact it's already started.

Yeah, those Thatcher years were a liberal's dream.
 
2009-09-13 02:22:21 AM
Number41: relcec: Britain is simply the manifestation of 50 years of liberal ideas incrementally deposited in law. It could happen here, in fact it's already started.

Yeah, those Thatcher years were a liberal's dream.


that's why I said 50 and not 65...
 
2009-09-13 02:28:40 AM
relcec: Number41: relcec: Britain is simply the manifestation of 50 years of liberal ideas incrementally deposited in law. It could happen here, in fact it's already started.

Yeah, those Thatcher years were a liberal's dream.

that's why I said 50 and not 65...


Thatcher: 1979-1990

2009
-50 = 1959

Hmmm...
 
2009-09-13 02:32:02 AM
de_Selby: No trash whatsoever? No snack wrappers, coffee cups, nothing? He composts all his organic waste? He can recycle or reuse all the plastic wrappers associated with his business? I recycle like a madman, and yet it is impossible to live a day without producing any trash.

lordargent: It said "Commercial Waste", which I assume means shipping boxes and crates, and other business related items. So banana peels and coffee cups wouldn't count, but shipping boxes and bike parts would.

"Commercial waste consists of waste from premises used wholly or mainly for the purposes of a trade or business or for the purpose of sport, recreation, education or entertainment but not including household; agricultural or industrial waste"


No, your own quote specified FROM PREMISES used wholly or mainly for business.
After all, a slaughterhouse produces tons of waste, but none of it is fundamentally different from what you may make preparing food at home. Just a lot more of it!

The rules don't discriminate by type, or volume. If it's a business, trash must be disposed of as per commercial methods. Even IF the rubbish is nonhazardous and of such low volume (coffee cups, banana peels) you could take it home and dispose of it, it MIGHT be illegal to do so.

It is entirely likely he's doing just that, recycling all the parts and cardboard, leaving only a trivial volume of trash which he takes home and leaves in his residential bin. Given the likely pricing of a garbage contract, the rates per lb they'd push for him might be obscene. I mean, if a company's minimum collection contract is 1/week, charges $50 for the trip and bin rental, and it yields all of 5 lbs of garbage, wow... $10 lb for disposal??
 
2009-09-13 02:35:52 AM
If only he had some kind of spokesperson to plead his case.
 
2009-09-13 02:38:58 AM
IStateTheObvious: I am all for this. There are simply not enough fattys. Encouraging people to stop exercising and instead sit on the couch to watch Oprah and eat bon bons is the way to go.


You know you want it.


Fark you! No one wants that!
 
2009-09-13 02:39:03 AM
+ j major
 
2009-09-13 02:40:24 AM
IStateTheObvious: I am all for this. There are simply not enough fattys. Encouraging people to stop exercising and instead sit on the couch to watch Oprah and eat bon bons is the way to go.


You know you want it.


Dude F you, what did I ever do to you.

:)
 
2009-09-13 02:51:34 AM
Mr. Potatoass: If only he had some kind of spokesperson to plead his case.

Someone to derailleur this case?
 
2009-09-13 02:53:14 AM
IStateTheObvious: I am all for this. There are simply not enough fattys. Encouraging people to stop exercising and instead sit on the couch to watch Oprah and eat bon bons is the way to go.


You know you want it.


You would need to have a 15" peener just to hit the wet.
I don't, so I will pass. Thanks anyway.
 
2009-09-13 02:53:37 AM
Oznog: Mr. Potatoass: If only he had some kind of spokesperson to plead his case.

Someone to derailleur this case?


Yes, but he has domestique support.

//not a cyclist. my dad however....
 
2009-09-13 03:12:07 AM
Ah, the Daily Mail. Making shiat up since time immemorial.
 
2009-09-13 03:15:32 AM
IStatetheObvious--Where did you get Gramma's picture? They were supposed to have all been burned.

Like my retinas. Eye bleach please.
 
2009-09-13 03:16:12 AM
TreoFanatic:
tchau:
PickinWhiskers:



img.photobucket.com

we've got a quorum
 
2009-09-13 03:17:20 AM
IStateTheObvious: You know you want it.

You like big butts and you can not lie
Us other brothers can't deny...
 
2009-09-13 03:39:49 AM
If I were to accidentally have a sign commissioned with that mistake, I would not be able to just let it be after noticing or having it pointed out to me (which I'm sure he has if the place has been in operation more than a day or so).
 
2009-09-13 03:40:47 AM
C'mon guy! Even a spot of yellow paint would help.
 
2009-09-13 03:45:41 AM
Wasilla Hillbilly: C'mon guy! Even a spot of yellow paint would help.

That is England English, not American English. :)
 
2009-09-13 03:47:33 AM
PickinWhiskers: Wasilla Hillbilly: C'mon guy! Even a spot of yellow paint would help.

That is England English, not American English. :)


Seriously? That's technically correct in England then?
 
2009-09-13 03:50:12 AM
jutm543: I enjoy reading Americans' comments related to legal issues on British news websites.

The real kicker is most of them think that what other countries do are insignificant, and should not care what other countries think of them. Not sure if it's hypocrisy or just Irony.
 
2009-09-13 03:50:35 AM
de_Selby: No trash whatsoever? No snack wrappers, coffee cups, nothing? He composts all his organic waste? He can recycle or reuse all the plastic wrappers associated with his business? I recycle like a madman, and yet it is impossible to live a day without producing any trash.

I'm just guessing, but if it's anything like Belgium (where I live for large parts of the year, and where many towns sell mandatory trash bags), they are worried that he is throwing out whatever trash he does have in the street bins. These are for incidental trash - and you can be fined for using them for household or commercial trash.


Yeah I think you about hit it on the head. There is no way he runs a business without producing any trash at all. I mean come on what about a soiled paper towel used to dry your hands after you take a wizz? He must have a bathroom in that place, sounds to me like the officials involved are worried he is storing lots of garbage which will overflow at some point. Or he is disposing of it in some way that is not legal. However just hitting him with a fine without actually investigating what is going on is still asinine; but then again it's not like it's a huge fine. He should just pay it and go on doing whatever it is he is doing to get rid of the rubbish if he is smart. But instead he ran to the press and now there will surely be a more thorough investigation, and I kinda doubt whatever it is he is doing to dispose of his trash is entirely legal.
 
2009-09-13 03:52:13 AM
No, not serious. My smiley face (colon-closed parentheses) let me down.
 
2009-09-13 03:57:52 AM
relcec: Airfoilsguy: I am so glad I don't live in Britain.

Britain is simply the manifestation of 50 years of liberal ideas incrementally deposited in law. It could happen here, in fact it's already started.


Don't get your wussified British liberalism confused with our macho American liberalism. In America, we would have used guns for this.
 
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