Prehensile:


jeeeeyysus christ - who put a quarter in your rant box?

nm...it never does any good to read the headline, make a comment, then go RTFA...my FAIL...

MDI_BugMan: Excen: I mean I don't need to say a whole lot when the best bicycle rider of all time only has one nut.

Armstrong:
Tour de France:(1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005)
World Cycling Champion (1993)
US National Cycling Champion (1993)
Clásica de San Sebastián (1995)
La Flèche Wallonne (1996)
Tour de Suisse (2001)
Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré (2002, 2003)

Merckx:
Tour de France(1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1974)
Giro d'Italia(1968, 1970, 1972, 1973, 1974)
Vuelta a España(1973)
Road Race World Championships (1967, 1971, 1974)
Milan-Sanremo (1966, 1967, 1969, 1971, 1972, 1975, 1976)
Ronde van Vlaanderen (1969, 1975)
Paris-Roubaix (1968, 1970, 1973)
Liège-Bastogne-Liège (1969, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975)
Giro di Lombardia (1971, 1972)
Super Prestige Pernod International (1969,1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975)

Only rider to win the yellow, green and KOM jersey in the same tour. Most stage wins of any racer ever in the TdF. Most days with the yellow jersey.
And the longest standing Hour Record in history; an event which Armstrong hasn't even attempted.

...so who's the best of all time again?

you sound french.

;p

Pathman: Prehensile:


jeeeeyysus christ - who put a quarter in your rant box?

The guy in the SUV who almost killed me by making a moseying right turn into a parking lot on Friday. You tend to get a little annoyed when you barely manage a stop literally a few inches from their front passenger door as they stare at you with this "what, who me???" look

:)

Pathman: Prehensile:


jeeeeyysus christ - who put a quarter in your rant box?

That and my rant box is the only box being filled at the moment
Makes me less happy-go-lucky :(

me normally: :) :) :)
me with too many near death experiences plaguing my only source of fun:

Phil Herup: My biggest beef with cyclist motorist douchebags is how they demand respect on the road yet the majority of them break tons of rules on the road.

snailbarf: wharrgarble

Nuh-uh!

Ablejack: ... motorist douchebags...



That is a whole 'nother story.


We could go on forever about bad motorists, but this thread is aboot bicyclists.

waterrockets: RockIsDead: Sure.

Just make it relative to how much wear and tear are caused by cyclists.

I'll have my penny waiting. Be sure to give me my change!

Yep, road wear is based on the cube of the axle loads.

Tax cyclists in the US? Put me down for 105 lbs rear and 70 lbs front (how much is Smitty's car?). Oh, and I now expect bike lanes to provide safe, adequate, and convenient coverage of the entire nation.

Where do I send the check?

This. Just tax by weight of the vehicle then cyclists will say they are paying for the road and they expect to them to be bike safe.

There are too many taxes as is, making the whole system way too complicated.

In Britain and the U.S., too much energy and resources are put into processing taxes, not to mention their obvious negative aspects.

LavenderWolf: TimonC346: Smarshmallow: TimonC346:
I don't dislike bikes as a mode of transport--bikers really do need to farking wise up. Just logistically, don't face off against a car on a bike. Don't.

In what way?

Disregarding traffic lights, stop signs, and all in all making sure you aren't being put in a position in which you are sticking your neck out to make a point about your presence on a bike.

Honestly, you're full of shiat. I'm living in a big city now and nobody does that. I do see plenty of assholes telling bicyclists to get off the road they're equally entitled to use, though.

I live in a college town, in the San Fransisco of Indiana, aka, Bloomington, and I see about 75 percent of the people riding bikes blatantly ignore traffic laws, especially downtown. I see them ride as fast as they can through intersections, and have seen many a car, who had the right of way, stop because some biketard was ignoring the rules. Some kid got hit on campus this past week because he was ignoring the traffic laws and he died on the scene. I am surprised it has not happened more often.

Carth: waterrockets: RockIsDead: Sure.

Just make it relative to how much wear and tear are caused by cyclists.

I'll have my penny waiting. Be sure to give me my change!

Yep, road wear is based on the cube of the axle loads.

Tax cyclists in the US? Put me down for 105 lbs rear and 70 lbs front (how much is Smitty's car?). Oh, and I now expect bike lanes to provide safe, adequate, and convenient coverage of the entire nation.

Where do I send the check?

This. Just tax by weight of the vehicle then cyclists will say they are paying for the road and they expect to them to be bike safe.



Well you have to factor in the contact patch. How much weight is transmitted to the road?

105 lbs on a contact patch teh size of a dime.

The lbs/sq. inch factor is much higher.

Carth: waterrockets:
Tax cyclists in the US? Put me down for 105 lbs rear and 70 lbs front (how much is Smitty's car?). Oh, and I now expect bike lanes to provide safe, adequate, and convenient coverage of the entire nation.

Where do I send the check?

This. Just tax by weight of the vehicle then cyclists will say they are paying for the road and they expect to them to be bike safe.


My 105# self likes this idea.

I already pay taxes, I'll use the roads. Whether on a bike or auto.

LordRosco: Throw bottles



Your profile pic.

100% awesome, the coat and sunglasses just make it full of win.

Ablejack: I already pay taxes



But do you pay enough?

I guess the Beatles were right.

Way to go UK. We need to start doing that over here.

santadog: A Tax on bikes isn't that big of a deal. They use the roads. I think it's fair.

They take less than 1/10th the space, they don't pollute, they don't kill people (go ahead, try to kill someone with a bike, even on purpose it's damn near impossible), they are more vulnerable, they take almost no parking space, they don't degrade the road, they don't make noise, they have health benefits, and so on and so forth.

People should be paid to ride a bicycle instead of taking their car.

Phil Herup: Then you can also be a double-douchebag and go through the red light.... screaming, "SHARE THE ROAD!!"

YHBT

sure, why not tax bikes?

while you're at it, start writing them tix for running stop signs.

and make them get $100 stickers every year from the state, and $50 stickers from the local town, and let's put cameras up on the streetlights so they can mail the bikers tix for not wearing helmets, or gloves, or shoes, or wearing a blue shirt on a tuesday.

and why should they be able to park their bikes without paying a parking tax?

and let's make them get turn signals and headlights so we can tax the lights, and write them tix for not having/using the lights at the proper time.

and lets make them take their bikes to a Gov run testing facility, then we can tax them for the yearly (monthly?) tests, and we can write them tix and fines for letting their tires get too worn or anything like that.

and let's make them get licenses to ride the bikes!

we can open Gov facilities to test people who want a biking license, charge them for the card, and then we can write tix for people who don't get a license or forget to re-new the license!

then we can raise everyone's taxes to fund the new biking testing facilities!


I'm from Chicago, so it's pretty obviously to me how this should be handled. I read the headline and just assumed that Mayor Daley must have been overseas lately.

Phil Herup: My biggest beef with cyclist douchebags is how they demand respect on the road yet the majority of them break tons of rules on the road.

When a cyclist breaks the rules, he can't kill anyone but himself.

When a car driver breaks the rules, he can kill a few people.

The problem is that those rules are made with motor vehicle in mind. 2 years ago I was fined for passing a red light. The red light only protected a pedestrian crossing and was put there to slow down traffic. There was no pedestrian in a 300m radius.

Bikes go slower than cars, I had plenty of time to make sure there was no pedestrian, I have better visibility, and even in the extremely unlikely event I didn't see a person crossing, it would be extremely unlikely that I even scratched them.

So shut up.

Some bikers are dumbasses, what I can't stand is driving down the highway (mostly just 2 lane state trunk lines) so bikers ride on the shoulder between the white line and the dirt. Now this "lane" you could fit easily 2 bikes side by side with room to spare, yet these asshat love to ride the line, WTF, move your ass over. What do you think is safer, accidentally going into the dirt, or accidentally crossing the line and getting hit by a car.

Man, people of Fark really hate bicycles huh?

WorLord: bikerific: bhcompy:
OK, so what's the problem with this? Who is being harmed?

The biker, when a car hits him because he was running a light.

(Except in california, where the biker can sue for breaking the traffic laws and getting hit.)


A bike is able to see and react to traffic better than a car.

Bullshiat. You perhaps can have more time to react to traffic, given how much more slowly you go, but your options to react to it are much more limited (also because of how much more slowly you go).


Riding through my quiet residential neighborhood, I will confess that I treat stop signs like yield signs. *snip* So don't tell me I have the same rights and responsibilities as everyone else, because I clearly don't.

Translation: "I don't want to follow the law."

YOU are the problem.



Real translation: The law is not well written to apply to bicyclists, so sometimes I use common sense and courtesy instead.


Nice "snip," by the way, removing the parts where I gave examples of not having the same rights as other traffic.

In MN, motorcyclists are explicitly allowed to go through a red light if the sensor does not detect them. Bicyclists are not mentioned in this law. If I sit and sit at a red light that won't change and finally do the same thing a motorcycle can, and go through, am I wrong, or is the law?

nictamer: When a cyclist breaks the rules, he can't kill anyone but himself.


But if he lives he will sue the motorist.


nictamer: When a car driver breaks the rules, he can kill a few people.


Not relevant to the discussion.


nictamer: The problem is that those rules are made with motor vehicle in mind.


Even though bicycles have been around longer than cars?


nictamer: Bikes go slower than cars.


Bikes do not go slower than cars. A more accurate statement would be bikes are not capable of of achieving the same speed as a car.

I can drive as slow as you can ride... maybe even slower.

The real issue is that bicycles are woefully under-powered to play on most of our modern world's big-boy roads.


nictamer: I have better visibility


True. Except directly behind you.



nictamer: 2 years ago I was fined for passing a red light

Good. That makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.


nictamer: in the extremely unlikely event I didn't see a person crossing, it would be extremely unlikely that I even scratched them.


I guess it would be extremely unlikely for you to see any fault in your argument too. If you want to play with the big boys you don't get to pick and choose which laws you want to obey.

nictamer

They take less than 1/10th the space

FALSE. Okay, maybe they occupy about 1/10th the space, but when one of you self-righteous asshats decides to use a lane in the right-of-way instead of the bike path we've thoughtfully provided for you, you impede the progress of dozens of vehicles.

they don't pollute

FALSE. The energy used + resulting carbon footprint in the food you consume to ride one mile is about ten times that of a oversized SUV going the same distance.

they don't kill people

FALSE. I'll collect a few articles then post 'em. There was one here in Salt Lake City not three months ago. This doesn't include the automobile deaths causes by us swerving to avoid bicyclists who don't feel that traffic control signals apply to them.

MBK: ericbo84: Guess_Who: I love this idea. Get those jerks off the road.

Never understood the generalized bike-hating farkers in every single one of these threads.

Probably because a lot of the loudest bicycle enthusiasts call for equality among bikes and cars, but when shiat like this comes up, bicyclists cry foul.

I'm a cyclist that owns a car (like EVERY cyclist I know): We already pay taxes for the roads, you brainless dickhole.

American Decency Association: every molecule of your comment has fail.

i tried, but every line is wrong or deliberately disingenuous.im starting to see a pattern... cycle haters are ignorant c*nts



My post is 100% true. Your rebuttal is hardly proof that I was wrong.

I would expect someone with a mentality such as yours to feel that way about what I said.

Logic must have that effect on you.

glenlivid: We already pay taxes for the roads


You pay taxes to operate your car on those roads.

I am anti-tax as the next guy but if they tax these guys , maybe just maybe, they can lower the overall taxes paid by normal people.

I would like to see the tax targeted toward specific projects like bike lanes instead of using my tax dollars for those things. I think an extra tax surcharge at the time the bicycle is purchased along with an extra tax on bicycle related gear like helmets. A registration fee with a sticker they put on the bicycle. Perhaps even a toll system for bicycle lanes woudl be in order.

Kazakhstan is greatest country in the world: Man, people of Fark really hate bicyclesthe idea of moving around on their own power huh?

I always run the red light. assuming no cars are coming anyway. bicycles are the way to go since public transport in my town sucks big time.

glenlivid: MBK: ericbo84: Guess_Who: I love this idea. Get those jerks off the road.

Never understood the generalized bike-hating farkers in every single one of these threads.

Probably because a lot of the loudest bicycle enthusiasts call for equality among bikes and cars, but when shiat like this comes up, bicyclists cry foul.

I'm a cyclist that owns a car (like EVERY cyclist I know): We already pay taxes for the roads, you brainless dickhole.

I don't think they should tax bicycles because we should be encouraging people to use them more. As I like to myself when I go cycling.


However, where I live in the rural suburbs of D.C., there seem to be a lot of cyclists who want to ride where they shouldn't. Narrow, twisty roads with a 50 mph speed limit and no shoulder are not great roads for cycling. It's not a matter of what's "fair", it's a matter of staying safe. There are dozens of miles of trails and areas with bike lanes. Cyclists who feel they should be allowed to ride anywhere, anytime have lost their minds, IMO. I hope they stay safe.

trentrockport: FALSE. The energy used + resulting carbon footprint in the food you consume to ride one mile is about ten times that of a oversized SUV going the same distance.

will somebody please think of the starving SUV owners

I've got a bike. you can ride it if you like.
Its got a basket, a bell that rings and
Things to make it look good.
Id give it to you if I could, but I borrowed it.

American Decency Association: see ya troll




On the roads, pal.... on the roads.

Seriously.... you were so weak with any type of rebuttal. That is all you got?

My guess is you have recently updated your ignore list.

American Decency Association: i hate cyclist cause they sometimes add a few seconds to my trip, they run red lights and this effects the quality of my life boohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoo

I do not like the cyclist in downtown Richmond, VA near VCU. They pay no attention to traffic lights or signs, and don't even look when they are crossing a busy intersection on a red light. I've come close to hitting so many of those, coffee-shop-visiting hipster douchebags.

I welcome our ever-increasing taxes and nanny-state socialist agendas.

If I start to pay road taxes I will DEMAND that traffic controls be adjusted to better fit bicycle travel.

HAHA!

See how y'all like them apples when you gotta drive your lazy fatasses around each one!

Raymo853: What a British bike rider may look like.

B..But she's on the wrong side of the road!
//Unless it's a one way road... but that's impossible

Phil Herup: glenlivid: We already pay taxes for the roads


You pay taxes to operate your car on those roads.

I pay for road maintenance and funding, just like everyone else. FYI: Funding for roads often comes from other taxes, not just the fees I pay for my car, so most people that don't even use roads contribute in some way. My bike does absolutely no damage to a road. Portland has closed several roads and made them "multi-use" paths, and the one that has been closed the longest (10+ years) looks exactly like it did when they first closed it. I expect it will never have to be repaved.

And THAT is the issue: Paying for roads and construction. Not "paying per object moving on roads and multi-use paths". When they start proposing to tax your feet, I'd expect you to protest the very notion...assuming you do ANYTHING but sit in front of Fark and act like an ass.

hasty ambush: I am anti-tax as the next guy but if they tax these guys , maybe just maybe, they can lower the overall taxes paid by normal people.

yeah...

that's not really how it EVER works though.

taxes never go down they only go up.

unless you're rich.

I never understood the way we "reduce" taxes.

I remember when Bush "lowered" taxes the rich got piles of cash, and the middle class got 10$.

I remember my paycheck increasing $10.

now Obama "lowered" my taxes and I got $13 less taken from me.

why not pass a tax cut that only applies to those making less than 50 g's?

why not give me 50-100$ back on my paycheck so I can actually pay a farking bill with it?

13$?

big deal.

glenlivid: When they start proposing to tax your feet, I'd expect you to protest the very notion...assuming you do ANYTHING but sit in front of Fark and act like an ass.



I will speak up about any tax increase/money grab whether it affects me or not.