InmanRoshi: 60,000 is now a respectable movement?

I remember the good ole days of 6 years ago when Fox News labeled 300,000 people "lunatic fringe".

That's D I F F E R E N T !

*snrrkk*

The_Flatline: The thing that gets me is that they gleefully listen to the strawmen arguments which are created by... the insurance companies. The very industry that *most* of the country thinks needs reform.

There is a fundamental problem in the US. Intellectualism, intelligence, hell rational thinking have gone by the board. Government and politics is no longer about doing what's best for the country, or even in this case what's best for yourself. It's about rooting for the team that wears your colors. They've turned government into American Idol.

The US is doomed unless we shift away from this backlash against intellectualism. The Bible can't make us competitive in a global market. The same global market the Republicans told us during the mid-90's was going to revolutionize our economy and make us all fabulously wealthy.

Obama's biggest chance is to pass the damn bill already and then people will see that it didn't actually kill grandma and use long, thin penises to rape their babies in the womb as they aborted them.

gregormendel: cameroncrazy1984: gregormendel: All Apologies: Guarantee you that not one teabag supporter on this thread can make a coherent argument against health care reform either.

In fact, I doubt any of those pansies are even willing to accept the challenge.

900 billion dollars.

Done.

How about another figure. Twice that if we don't reform. How's that.

That's a theoretical figure, made from thin air.

No, it isn't. You think that without changes our system WON'T keep getting more expensive?

Holy crap, Americans are stupid.

/Dissent is still Patriotic, and still amounts to jack shiat

where are all the black people at?

Corvus: culebra: Flagged for tired Right Wing homoeroticism (not gay).

That idiot in the past thread tried to say Fox News did not promote this event at all.

I never said any such thing.

You seem to have poor reading comprehension skills. Did you go to a government run school?

InmanRoshi: 60,000 is now a respectable movement?

I remember the good ole days of 6 years ago when Fox News labeled 300,000 people "lunatic fringe".

I know, right?

cameroncrazy1984: How about another figure. Twice that if we don't reform. How's that.

I think that's true, and hell it could be even more. The thing is, the reform needs to be a reform. It's important that it actually works.

A law that forces me to buy insurance from the same bastards that caused this mess isn't reform. And yes, I do mean that what I've heard so far from the Obama administration isn't nearly "socialized" enough. I don't want a half assed excuse for reform just so they can score the political points but not really fix the problem.

at80eighty: then shut the fark up & stop butting in if you claim to not care enough about the topic being discussed. really is that simple

so you like debating troll topics? oh, i suppose you do when you were the one who called someone out for being able to "read peoples minds and figure their motivations" then go so far as to "demand proof" like a farking idiot.

tosbalok: Because every one of you thought the images above were a-okay for the last eight years.

Every one of them? Every last one? Come on, pal. You can't be serious.

havaniceday: The two option presentation of all solutions for everything in bipartisan politics is a farce, and we are ready to move on.

T H I S .

cameroncrazy1984: gregormendel: cameroncrazy1984: gregormendel: All Apologies: Guarantee you that not one teabag supporter on this thread can make a coherent argument against health care reform either.

In fact, I doubt any of those pansies are even willing to accept the challenge.

900 billion dollars.

Done.

How about another figure. Twice that if we don't reform. How's that.

That's a theoretical figure, made from thin air.

No, it isn't. You think that without changes our system WON'T keep getting more expensive?

Of course not. You think this spectacular trainwreck of a plan is going to END inflation? Drink more Koolaid.

paygun: A law that forces me to buy insurance from the same bastards that caused this mess isn't reform.

That's why there's the public option. You don't want private insurance? Take the public option.

tosbalok:
I'm sorry, but if you're liberal, just close your browser and walk away from this thread. You lost the high ground and you have no position to criticize anyone's stupid signs - unless you can somehow go back in time (or link to a past thread) and criticize the insane liberal protestors spewing hate in the images above.

But you can't. Because every one of you thought the images above were a-okay for the last eight years. So just STFU for the next eight years. thanks!

You've been favorited, tosbalok. Thanks for posting some sanity here, now I don't need to read the rest of the bullshiat in this thread and can walk away knowing someone has some sense on Fark.

gregormendel: Of course not. You think this spectacular trainwreck of a plan is going to END inflation? Drink more Koolaid.

What inflation? We've gone through a period of deflation over the last 9 or so months.

cameroncrazy1984: paygun: A law that forces me to buy insurance from the same bastards that caused this mess isn't reform.

That's why there's the public option. You don't want private insurance? Take the public option.

As long as you pay enough extra for someone else to get their freebie insurance.

harbingerofdoom: its so funny to watch the people who were so rabidly against spending policies to flip so quickly when in fact, nothing has changed.

General "spending" was not the issue. Spending on the Iraq war was the issue. Especially when we had so many things to take care of at home. What don't you understand about this?

i really wish you people would wake up and see how your stupid popularity contests that have been called "the presidential election" since the end of bush sr have done nothing but make bad things worse.

but when 90% of those that actually do vote make base their decisions on what the TV/radio/newspaper/mom&dad tell them to... its no wonder we wind up with people of no substance and/or experience in the white house.

Oh, now I get it. You're a Reaganite. That explains everything.

gregormendel: As long as you pay enough extra for someone else to get their freebie insurance.

What freebie insurance? Could you point me to a source that states someone won't be paying for their insurance under the public option?

cameroncrazy1984: That's why there's the public option. You don't want private insurance? Take the public option.

If we end up with a public option out of this, I will gladly give Obama all the credit. I don't think we will, but I'd love to be proven wrong.

cameroncrazy1984: paygun: A law that forces me to buy insurance from the same bastards that caused this mess isn't reform.

That's why there's the public option. You don't want private insurance? Take the public option.

wow. you're really dense, eh?

Brew78: TheShavingofOccam123: What kind of a coont biatch quotes a hero of United Flight 93 as a tool for spreading racism? Comparing hijackers murdering 3000+ people to a black man being elected president.

I hope someone straightens her out some day. It may be legal to abuse the memories of those passengers but it certainly isn't proper.

Sorry, the only racist people in this thread are you and your ilk who inject race into EVERYTHING anyone ever says about ANYTHING. Seriously, its asshats like you and Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton that are the single largest reason racism is still as big of an issue as it is today.

Where is race mentioned anywhere in that photo? Because someone has an "undocumented worker" sign referencing Obama's questionable birth country, not to mention his tenancy towards favoring blanket amnesty of criminal immigrants? Or because someone used the word "hijack" to imply that the path the country is on has been taken in the wrong direction against many people's wishes, including a huge percent of those who VOTED for him? (for point of reference, I'm originally from MA, 90% of my friends are liberal and/or voted for Obama, and not one of them is "pleased" with his performance so far)

Point of view is everything, sir, and your obsession with everything being about race makes you the biggest racist I've ever had the misfortune of communicating with on the huge ol' intarwebs.

If you think you might be able to strip race out of the equation and look at ISSUES then maybe you could begin to understand peoples' frustrations. Although you may or may not agree with them, at least you won't come off as such an ignorant racist jerkoff.

/sick of racist liberals calling everyone racist just to shift some kind of imaginary blame off themselves

Me? A liberal? Pttthhttt. Look up my postings about illegal aliens shooting cops in the face and leaving them to die in the street. Where were you when I talked about the head of ICE in Arizona being transferred instead of being fired for refusing to pick up aliens arrested by Maricopa County or DPS? Where were you when I talked about 3 or 4 murders in my neighborhood tied directly to illegals and their gangs?

Truth be told, the Republican party is 90 to 95 percent white. Pretty much the day a black became president, the party went out and found a black man to be it's mouthpiece then promptly came close to dumping him because he disagreed with a bloated, deaf, drug-dealing pederast. As shown by the pics I posted, it has a bad case of racist humor that runs top to bottom and side to side through it.

What I objected to has already been pointed out by others. This woman the attacks on Sept 11 and compared them to Obama being elected President. She then quoted a member of Flight 93 saying "Let's roll!" In case you forget, that was uttered just before the passengers attacked and killed the hijackers.

Now you draw your own conclusions from her sign. But try to be objective and not so defensive. What she said is racist and offensive and if it isn't so to you then I guess you're just better people than me. But, as evidenced by your bs attack on me, you already know that.

cameroncrazy1984: paygun: cameroncrazy1984: Well, if you got "the economy is fixed" from "things are improving" you might want to go back and re-take English 101.

So things are improving but that doesn't necessarily mean the bailouts are the reason why? Then yeah never mind we agree.

Once again. Go back and re-take English 101. If those companies had no capital to work with, where do you think the economy would still be heading right now?

You're good at avoiding my point.

They would go out of business, as companies who can't manage their shiat well enough to keep afloat ought to, and someone without their head up their ass will come along and start something up to fill the void. Perhaps you heard of such a theory in Econ 101?

seventypercent: Still my favorite (the person with the ANGRY MOB sign). It's brilliant. It reminds me of something that the Zucker-Abrahams-Zucker crew would have done back when they were still funny.

or even Mel Brooks

Bob Dolemite: wow. you're really dense, eh?

Care to point out why, or just assert it?

gregormendel: 900 billion dollars.

Over 10 years. 90 billion a year. Not all at once.

We're spending 515 billion *this* year alone on the military. That's not even to go play with our toys in the sand in Iraq and Afghanistan, because the figure doesn't include the supplemental spending to actually *pay* for Iraq and Afghanistan. In 5 years or so we've spent 2 TRILLION there. Or 200 billion a year. We could pay for health care reform twice over with 20 billion left over to do... whatever... with that kind of money.

So you're making a GREAT argument to get rid of the military. If we can't afford 90 billion a year, how on EARTH can we afford 5 or 6 times that in defense spending?

cameroncrazy1984: gregormendel: As long as you pay enough extra for someone else to get their freebie insurance.

What freebie insurance? Could you point me to a source that states someone won't be paying for their insurance under the public option?

Who is going to pay for insurance for people who are not employed?

cameroncrazy1984: gregormendel: As long as you pay enough extra for someone else to get their freebie insurance.

What freebie insurance? Could you point me to a source that states someone won't be paying for their insurance under the public option?

do you really think that if only 5% of people use the public option that those 5% will actually be able to rake in enough cash by means of premium charges to adequately fund it?

cameroncrazy1984: paygun: A law that forces me to buy insurance from the same bastards that caused this mess isn't reform.

That's why there's the public option. You don't want private insurance? Take the public option.

So do people who keep their private insurance pay lower taxes because they are paying for their own health insurance? Or are their taxes the same as someone who takes the public option?

Paying the same would mean I can keep my private option as long as I don't mind paying for my health insurance twice. That can't be right.

paquerette: cameroncrazy1984: paygun: cameroncrazy1984: Well, if you got "the economy is fixed" from "things are improving" you might want to go back and re-take English 101.

So things are improving but that doesn't necessarily mean the bailouts are the reason why? Then yeah never mind we agree.

Once again. Go back and re-take English 101. If those companies had no capital to work with, where do you think the economy would still be heading right now?

You're good at avoiding my point.

They would go out of business, as companies who can't manage their shiat well enough to keep afloat ought to, and someone without their head up their ass will come along and start something up to fill the void. Perhaps you heard of such a theory in Econ 101?

Perhaps it's time for you to learn that sometimes theories are just theories and the real world is different.

deathon2legs: sense on Fark.

It's sensible to try and change the subject in the middle of a thread? Regardless of what the Liberal Fringe has been up to over the last 8 years, what is going on today makes the GOP look very bad. Make no mistake about that.

The cherry on top of this fecal sundae is that these assholes have a major, no THE major, television News Network (and Dick Armey of all people), organizing and backing them.

And they still couldn't top 100k. It wasn't even grassroots and it failed to top 100k. And the reasoning for the protest is flawed at best.

You fail.

The logic and reasoning of our current administration can be summed up in this picture:



the federal government is the Death Star
the american federal empire... don't be suprised when we meet the same fate of comparitively overstretched, overspent empires in history.

paquerette: They would go out of business, as companies who can't manage their shiat well enough to keep afloat ought to, and someone without their head up their ass will come along and start something up to fill the void. Perhaps you heard of such a theory in Econ 101?

Yeah that's where I was heading but I didn't feel like going down that hole. It comes down to this, we had to do it because Obama said so. But it was Bush's fault.

Bob Dolemite: do you really think that if only 5% of people use the public option that those 5% will actually be able to rake in enough cash by means of premium charges to adequately fund it?

You simply asserting it isn't a source. Come on. Find me something. Or shut up.

kibbled: Can someone explain the headline for me? I don't get it and I want to be part of the Kool Kidz Klub.

Not a member of the club, but the number in the headline was equal to the world's entire population. I think it might be inflated a little.

Bob Dolemite: so you like debating troll topics? oh, i suppose you do when you were the one who called someone out for being able to "read peoples minds and figure their motivations" then go so far as to "demand proof" like a farking idiot.

Just because I asked him to verify where he gets his claim from is

a) reading someone's mind?

no its not the same you simpering retard. I'm NOT reading his mind and that's EXACTLY why I asked him to expand further before I went further on the topic. is that so hard for your puny cranium to follow?

b) debating a troll topic?

when its not my intention? esp since I just put it in one word & as concise as possible? thats you applying that tag not me - so youre a bigger troll than me. iirc wasnt that your logic for calling someone a racist earlier in the thread?

& makes my day when apparently I've hit a nerve so deep you remember verbatim something I said when I called you out on your shiat ages ago. weep some more. loving this

gregormendel: Who is going to pay for insurance for people who are not employed?

The government is already doing that through programs like Medicaid and COBRA.

natas6.0: So much hate for people speaking their minds, even if it isn't spelled right.
At least I know that there won't be any property damage, and no police will be attacked.
I'd feel safer sending my kid to this, than to the D.C. zoo

There shouldn't even be police in America, they get the money for that by stealing it from us and calling it taxes.

hubiestubert: Actually, you might want to give Olympia Snowe the credit, since if we get one, it will be thanks to her efforts.

Yeah, that's cool too. I'll give the credit to whoever produces results. I'm just a racist redneck like that.

natas6.0: So much hate for people speaking their minds, even if it isn't spelled right.
At least I know that there won't be any property damage, and no police will be attacked.
I'd feel safer sending my kid to this, than to the D.C. zoo

You've never been to DC have you, or you are choosing to ignore the layout of the city to make a point.