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(670 The Score)   MJ: "One day you might look up and see me playing a game at 50, don't laugh. Never say never, because limits, like fears, are often just an illusion."   (670thescore.com) divider line 82
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2009-09-12 11:21:04 AM
Oh man this is going to mess up my fantasy basketball team.
 
2009-09-12 12:34:31 PM
I don't see that quote anywhere on that page.
 
2009-09-12 01:11:15 PM
670!
 
2009-09-12 01:11:27 PM
Hmmm... "their" ever was?
 
2009-09-12 01:21:38 PM
He'd still be the most valuable Wizard.
 
2009-09-12 01:23:47 PM
Bad things happen to guys name MJ when they are fifty.
 
2009-09-12 01:26:16 PM
He'd still be able to school Vin Baker!
 
2009-09-12 01:29:10 PM
Read another article talking about how his speech was rambling and petty. Loved the Bulls, loved Jordan, but man had some social issues.
 
2009-09-12 01:35:42 PM
Januaryist: Read another article talking about how his speech was rambling and petty. Loved the Bulls, loved Jordan, but man had some social issues.

Yeah, he dredged up the Jerry Krause "Organizations win championships" line and barely mentioned Pippen at the very beginning. I think the only other teammate he mentioned by name was Oakley, but he was talking about Riley's coaching stint in New York at the time.
 
2009-09-12 01:42:17 PM
 
2009-09-12 01:53:20 PM
Wombatzu: not COOL...

Michael Jordan acts a biatch at his Hall Of Fame induction (new window)


It's fitting enough.

"Hey, here's how I motivated myself everyone. By kinda being a biatch."

No one's arguing that he should've gone about it any other way.
 
2009-09-12 02:20:58 PM
ilikeracecars: Bad things happen to guys name MJ when they are fifty.

pic.phyrefile.com
 
2009-09-12 02:47:26 PM
Dafatone: Wombatzu: not COOL...

Michael Jordan acts a biatch at his Hall Of Fame induction (new window)

It's fitting enough.

"Hey, here's how I motivated myself everyone. By kinda being a biatch."

No one's arguing that he should've gone about it any other way.


Not really fitting for a speech at a celebretory moment though, is it? I mean, talking shiat to your critics after the game is one thing. Still doing it 10 years later is just pathetic. Get over it.

Even Ricky Henderson managed to be humble at his HoF induction. I'm sure MJ could have managed to fake class for one night.
 
2009-09-12 02:52:28 PM
Talondel: Even Ricky Henderson managed to be humble at his HoF induction.

karl malone please please please have rickey be your presenter to hof... the 3rd person confusion could be the best (or worst) induction speeches ever. Particularly if at any point karl malone agrees with rickey agreeing with rickey.
 
2009-09-12 03:30:04 PM
People are biatchin about MJ talkin himself up at HIS Hall of Fame induction. Isn't that the point? It's about him... he mentioned Pippen once, that was enough. He mentioned Phil once, that was enough. Was there really anyone else he should be thanking?

Crybabies.
 
2009-09-12 03:34:18 PM
People are surprised at Michael's speech? That's how he's always been. He mocked the murder of Steve Kerr's dad in practice in 1995, saying something like "it's a good thing your dad isn't alive to see you suck this bad" to him, and Kerr punched him in the mouth instead of silently taking his shiat like everyone else. After that everything was cool between them to the point of Jordan trusting Kerr with the potentially championship-winning jumpshot at the end of the 1997 NBA Finals. People like that relate to others differently. Michael always used slights, perceived or real, as fuel. He never got over any of them. As he said in the speech, Van Gundy said he manipulated players, and then Jordan scored 50 or something the next day. Being shocked at this speech is ridiculous.
 
2009-09-12 03:38:21 PM
kidddynamite: People are biatchin about MJ talkin himself up at HIS Hall of Fame induction. Isn't that the point? It's about him... he mentioned Pippen once, that was enough. He mentioned Phil once, that was enough. Was there really anyone else he should be thanking?

Crybabies.


That too. Goddamn, it's HIS moment. He did thank these people at SOME point and Krause was a massive douchebag with an inferiority complex based on the idea that nobody thought he "earned" his six rings because Rod Thorn drafted Jordan and not him, so he was obsessed with blowing up the team and building a champion from scratch. In reality, everybody knew Jordan didn't win anything until Krause drafted the pieces that formed those Bulls teams, but Jerry never could figure it out. Nobody thought a nobobdy like Scottie Pippen out of a nowhere school like Central Arkansas would be shiat, but Krause did, etc. For being so bizarrely insecure, Krause was a deluded asshole, pure and simple.
 
2009-09-12 03:43:04 PM
kidddynamite: People are biatchin about MJ talkin himself up at HIS Hall of Fame induction. Isn't that the point? It's about him... he mentioned Pippen once, that was enough. He mentioned Phil once, that was enough. Was there really anyone else he should be thanking?

Crybabies.


I'm not crying about it. I just think it's sad that one of the most fortunate, accomplished personalities of our time is actually a small, bitter man who is incapable of feeling affection, friendship, or any kind of satisfaction. It goes without saying and without exception that no one enjoys the company of a true narcissist, but what's really tragic is he likely doesn't even enjoy his own company. Nobody likes getting old - but it has to just be killing Jordan. I wonder if that son of a biatch has a had one single really happy day in his whole life.
 
2009-09-12 03:46:34 PM
robsul82: That too. Goddamn, it's HIS moment.

Name one other person who used HIS moment to say 'I told you so' and slight other people at such length? The dude is mentally ill.
 
2009-09-12 03:49:02 PM
JohnBigBootay: robsul82: That too. Goddamn, it's HIS moment.

Name one other person who used HIS moment to say 'I told you so' and slight other people at such length? The dude is mentally ill.


He's Michael Jordan. The best ever gets special privileges, and besides, as stated, this is who Michael has always been. This is not a surprise.
 
2009-09-12 03:52:02 PM
robsul82: He's Michael Jordan. The best ever gets special privileges, and besides, as stated, this is who Michael has always been. This is not a surprise.

I don't know. If I had some lifetime special privilege granted me I think I'd use it on something else other than getting a free pass for being a dick. The dude's a trillionaire with everything but I mostly just feel sad for him, which is weird.
 
2009-09-12 03:53:53 PM
If you like books, Michael Holley wrote a little bit about MJ in his book Red Sox Rule. It's about Terry Francona but for a time Francona was MJ's minor league baseball manager down in Birmingham.

Apparently he bought the team a new bus because he couldn't afford to have the bus break down and have some backwoods hick in Alabama murder him.
 
2009-09-12 03:54:08 PM
robsul82: The best ever gets special privileges

no he doesn't... he was the best basketball player ever; that doesn't mean we can't point out that he seems to be a shallow, sad human being.
 
2009-09-12 04:03:31 PM
I saw his speech.
He is without a doubt the biggest a-hole ever to wear a basketball uniform.
He personifies the petty, "all about me" modern day athlete.

Thanks Michael, you really helped professional sports reach new lows.

I still think he is the best player to ever play the game but man, what a prick.
 
2009-09-12 04:04:02 PM
robsul82: The best ever gets special privileges

Oscar Roberstson was an asshole last night too?
 
2009-09-12 04:06:40 PM
robsul82: He mocked the murder of Steve Kerr's dad in practice in 1995, saying something like "it's a good thing your dad isn't alive to see you suck this bad" to him

Steve should say that line about MJ's speech, just to see how Jordan reacts.
 
2009-09-12 04:10:47 PM
Incidentally, if I was the best anything of all time, and had the kind of pressures he had, I may be able to judge. But my gambling problems have never resulted in the murder of my father and my suspension from basketball for two years (yes, I'm kidding... or am I?)
 
2009-09-12 04:11:27 PM
mitchcumstein1: Oscar Roberstson was an asshole last night too?

touche'

Michael didn't mention him in his speech because he's the most oft-cited alternative as best ever
 
2009-09-12 04:12:48 PM
JohnBigBootay: robsul82: He's Michael Jordan. The best ever gets special privileges, and besides, as stated, this is who Michael has always been. This is not a surprise.

I don't know. If I had some lifetime special privilege granted me I think I'd use it on something else other than getting a free pass for being a dick. The dude's a trillionaire with everything but I mostly just feel sad for him, which is weird.


He mentioned Pippen, he mentioned Phil, he didn't mention the people he didn't like (i.e., Krause). How's that wrong?

mitchcumstein1: robsul82: The best ever gets special privileges

Oscar Roberstson was an asshole last night too?


If Robertson averaged a triple double against much lesser competition than Jordan faced, what would Jordan have averaged? A quintuple double? The whole "Robertson over Jordan" argument is the sports equivalent of hipster d-bags claiming the Beatles sucked.

puffy999: robsul82: He mocked the murder of Steve Kerr's dad in practice in 1995, saying something like "it's a good thing your dad isn't alive to see you suck this bad" to him

Steve should say that line about MJ's speech, just to see how Jordan reacts.


Ouch, hahaha.
 
2009-09-12 04:18:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c57Lp9ol6tQ#t=8m15s
 
2009-09-12 04:24:10 PM
robsul82: mitchcumstein1: robsul82: The best ever gets special privileges

Oscar Roberstson was an asshole last night too?

If Robertson averaged a triple double against much lesser competition than Jordan faced, what would Jordan have averaged? A quintuple double? The whole "Robertson over Jordan" argument is the sports equivalent of hipster d-bags claiming the Beatles sucked.


He'd never have the assist numbers to get a triple double every night.

/The Beatles are awesome
//The Stones are better
///Zeppelin conquers all
 
2009-09-12 04:24:11 PM
JohnBigBootay: robsul82: That too. Goddamn, it's HIS moment.

Name one other person who used HIS moment to say 'I told you so' and slight other people at such length? The dude is mentally ill.



Name one other person who was as consistently amazing as Jordan.


I'll help you with the following list:
 
2009-09-12 04:27:54 PM
mitchcumstein1: He'd never have the assist numbers to get a triple double every night.

Chances are, if Jordan had played against the flop sweat white guys that played a couple decades earlier, the coach would have just given him the ball and asked him to do something with it.
 
2009-09-12 04:30:03 PM
JohnBigBootay: kidddynamite: People are biatchin about MJ talkin himself up at HIS Hall of Fame induction. Isn't that the point? It's about him... he mentioned Pippen once, that was enough. He mentioned Phil once, that was enough. Was there really anyone else he should be thanking?

Crybabies.

I'm not crying about it. I just think it's sad that one of the most fortunate, accomplished personalities of our time is actually a small, bitter man who is incapable of feeling affection, friendship, or any kind of satisfaction. It goes without saying and without exception that no one enjoys the company of a true narcissist, but what's really tragic is he likely doesn't even enjoy his own company. Nobody likes getting old - but it has to just be killing Jordan. I wonder if that son of a biatch has a had one single really happy day in his whole life.


Is there a transcript of his HOF speech kicking around? 'Cos I would love to read it for myself and see if he was as massive a douchebag as it sure as fark appears he was. Or not.
 
2009-09-12 04:33:11 PM
puffy999: robsul82: He mocked the murder of Steve Kerr's dad in practice in 1995, saying something like "it's a good thing your dad isn't alive to see you suck this bad" to him

Steve should say that line about MJ's speech, just to see how Jordan reacts.


As much time as I spend on Fark, I rarely literally Laugh out Loud. Did on this one.
 
2009-09-12 04:33:43 PM
BigSnatch: JohnBigBootay: robsul82: That too. Goddamn, it's HIS moment.

Name one other person who used HIS moment to say 'I told you so' and slight other people at such length? The dude is mentally ill.


Name one other person who was as consistently amazing as Jordan.


I'll help you with the following list:


Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
Kareem
Hakeem
Oscar Robertson
Wilt

That's just off the top of my head.
 
2009-09-12 04:34:02 PM
puffy999: mitchcumstein1: He'd never have the assist numbers to get a triple double every night.

Chances are, if Jordan had played against the flop sweat white guys that played a couple decades earlier, the coach would have just given him the ball and asked him to do something with it.


That and this. Tim Duncan not as good as George Mikan either?
 
2009-09-12 04:38:01 PM
puffy999: mitchcumstein1: He'd never have the assist numbers to get a triple double every night.

Chances are, if Jordan had played against the flop sweat white guys that played a couple decades earlier, the coach would have just given him the ball and asked him to do something with it.


And chances are if the NBA refs had called Jordan for 1/4 of his travels, carry-overs, and clear-offs, he would have won at most, one scoring title and 0 NBA Championships.

/tit-for-tat
 
2009-09-12 04:39:17 PM
John Buck 41: Is there a transcript of his HOF speech kicking around? 'Cos I would love to read it for myself and see if he was as massive a douchebag as it sure as fark appears he was. Or not.

Link to the speech (video) on the Chicago Tribune (new window).
 
2009-09-12 04:39:27 PM
Free Radical: puffy999: mitchcumstein1: He'd never have the assist numbers to get a triple double every night.

Chances are, if Jordan had played against the flop sweat white guys that played a couple decades earlier, the coach would have just given him the ball and asked him to do something with it.

And chances are if the NBA refs had called Jordan for 1/4 of his travels, carry-overs, and clear-offs, he would have won at most, one scoring title and 0 NBA Championships.

/tit-for-tat


Yeah, one makes sense and the other doesn't.

/wait
 
2009-09-12 04:43:26 PM
BigSnatch: Name one other person who was as consistently amazing as Jordan.

Meaning what? That the big prize for being the best is that strangers defend the fact you were a dick?
 
2009-09-12 04:56:10 PM
robsul82: puffy999: mitchcumstein1: He'd never have the assist numbers to get a triple double every night.

Chances are, if Jordan had played against the flop sweat white guys that played a couple decades earlier, the coach would have just given him the ball and asked him to do something with it.

That and this. Tim Duncan not as good as George Mikan either?


Yes, all players that played in the league before 1985 were pasty white guys who couldn't play dead in a cowboy movie. Jerry West, Pete Maravich, Bob Cousy, John Havlicek, Rick Barry, Dave Debusschere all were terrible. Hell throw Walt Frazier, Earl Monroe, Dr. J, Moses Malone, Wilt Chamberlain, Dave Bing, Tiny Archibald, Connie Hawkins and George Gervin in with this bunch of stiffs. Jesus it amazes me how they ran down the floor without falling all over themselves.
 
2009-09-12 04:58:50 PM
it wasn't that bad when i watched it. then i watched David Robinson's. wow, Robinson just oozed class, and did make Jordan's seem petty.

never liked the Spurs, but Robinson has always been one of my favorite players and did great last night
 
2009-09-12 05:04:48 PM
Most people who are singulary obsessed with excelling at one particular thing wind up being socially odd, Jordan is not unique here. Bobby Fischer would blow MJ away in being angry and bitter. Steve Jobs is condescending and cruel to employees, Roger Clemens is narcistic and delusional, Marlon Brando became incoherent and morbidly obese, Michael Jackson I am not even sure where to start with all his issues.

On the crazy genius list, MJ is in the shallow end of the pool
 
2009-09-12 05:18:38 PM
mitchcumstein1: robsul82: puffy999: mitchcumstein1: He'd never have the assist numbers to get a triple double every night.

Chances are, if Jordan had played against the flop sweat white guys that played a couple decades earlier, the coach would have just given him the ball and asked him to do something with it.

That and this. Tim Duncan not as good as George Mikan either?

Yes, all players that played in the league before 1985 were pasty white guys who couldn't play dead in a cowboy movie. Jerry West, Pete Maravich, Bob Cousy, John Havlicek, Rick Barry, Dave Debusschere all were terrible. Hell throw Walt Frazier, Earl Monroe, Dr. J, Moses Malone, Wilt Chamberlain, Dave Bing, Tiny Archibald, Connie Hawkins and George Gervin in with this bunch of stiffs. Jesus it amazes me how they ran down the floor without falling all over themselves.


If you really want to argue that Jordan's NBA wasn't much better than Robertson's NBA, I should probably give you your windmill-killing sword right now.
 
2009-09-12 05:31:28 PM
legion_of_doo: John Buck 41: Is there a transcript of his HOF speech kicking around? 'Cos I would love to read it for myself and see if he was as massive a douchebag as it sure as fark appears he was. Or not.

Link to the speech (video) on the Chicago Tribune (new window).


Thanks. Can't watch right now but I will save it for later.
 
2009-09-12 05:37:51 PM
robsul82: If you really want to argue that Jordan's NBA wasn't much better than Robertson's NBA, I should probably give you your windmill-killing sword right now.

You are tilting at windwmills as much as he is. There aren't any time machines. so you can't assume dominant Michael Jordan magically transported to the 50's and 60's with his air jordan's and modern nutrition and tactics playing against oscar in his chuck taylors and practicing with a medicine ball every day. All you can do assume they were each playing against the best players of their time and imagine how they'd have done under equivalent circumstances. If Oscar Robertson were born in 1978 and had to play against the current crop he'd be the same thing he was then - a triple double machine. Take Michael back to the 50's and he'd have willed his team to championships - but he'd have been more fundamentally solid. The old-school refs would have called the pushoffs and traveling a bit tighter. I'm sure he'd adjust though.
 
2009-09-12 05:38:05 PM
robsul82: mitchcumstein1: robsul82: puffy999: mitchcumstein1: He'd never have the assist numbers to get a triple double every night.

Chances are, if Jordan had played against the flop sweat white guys that played a couple decades earlier, the coach would have just given him the ball and asked him to do something with it.

That and this. Tim Duncan not as good as George Mikan either?

Yes, all players that played in the league before 1985 were pasty white guys who couldn't play dead in a cowboy movie. Jerry West, Pete Maravich, Bob Cousy, John Havlicek, Rick Barry, Dave Debusschere all were terrible. Hell throw Walt Frazier, Earl Monroe, Dr. J, Moses Malone, Wilt Chamberlain, Dave Bing, Tiny Archibald, Connie Hawkins and George Gervin in with this bunch of stiffs. Jesus it amazes me how they ran down the floor without falling all over themselves.

If you really want to argue that Jordan's NBA wasn't much better than Robertson's NBA, I should probably give you your windmill-killing sword right now.


If by better you mean more athletic, then no, there's not a chance that I will argue that fact. The league as whole was more athletic in Jordan's era than it was when Oscar played.
 
2009-09-12 05:39:34 PM
Spike Lee's Favorite Farker: On the crazy genius list, MJ is in the shallow end of the pool

I would call Jordan dogged, relentless, and single-minded. He wasn't a genius.
 
2009-09-12 05:46:16 PM
Just watched the speech on youtube, didn't seem too petty to me, more like some amusing career anecdotes.

Best ever:

Link
 
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