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2009-09-11 08:26:00 PM
People were more openly racist in the 1930's? Inconceivable!
 
2009-09-11 08:37:08 PM
I lost it when the mother pulled a giant watermelon out of the bag to give the baby. Wow.
 
2009-09-11 08:40:41 PM
Barakku: I lost it when the mother pulled a giant watermelon out of the bag to give the baby. Wow.

As the WTF started at 3:54 and not when the triplet act came on I thought she was gonna start breastfeeding. I figured it was gonna be a boobie flamewar thread. No...I was wrong and so was that.
 
2009-09-11 08:40:59 PM
I don't get it. What 'wtf'? A chinese looking baby playing with a spinning top to chinese type music? What;s wrong with that?
 
2009-09-11 08:43:46 PM
Gwendolyn: Barakku: I lost it when the mother pulled a giant watermelon out of the bag to give the baby. Wow.

As the WTF started at 3:54 and not when the triplet act came on I thought she was gonna start breastfeeding. I figured it was gonna be a boobie flamewar thread. No...I was wrong and so was that.


Yeah, I didn't even see the triplet act at first (Subby's "start" point is almost the end of it) just the mother with the kid.
 
2009-09-11 08:46:41 PM
So, that 'act' at 3:12 is ok, subby?
 
2009-09-11 08:47:24 PM
WTF begins well before 3:54.
 
2009-09-11 08:57:00 PM
I'd reccomend starting at 2:52. Or even just watching the whole thing.
 
2009-09-11 09:09:03 PM
WTF started at 0:00 for me.
 
2009-09-11 09:36:25 PM
Barakku: I lost it when the mother pulled a giant watermelon out of the bag to give the baby. Wow.

I thought she was going to put the baby into the bag.
 
2009-09-11 09:37:38 PM
Betty Boop is hot!
 
2009-09-11 09:40:36 PM
MorningBreath: WTF begins well before 3:54.

With you on that. Wow.
 
2009-09-11 09:41:08 PM
eddyatwork: Betty Boop is hot!

For an old broad.
 
2009-09-11 09:43:23 PM
I hate Betty Boop, and I also hate when people identify with her and put Betty Boop stickers on their cars and what-not. Oh, you really want to be a flapper caricature? Have at it.
 
2009-09-11 09:50:48 PM
mercator_psi: I hate Betty Boop, and I also hate when people identify with her and put Betty Boop stickers on their cars and what-not. Oh, you really want to be a flapper caricature? Have at it.

I'm slightly amazed that urbandictionary had a definition for flapper that could apply to this. I was afraid I was going to consult ruraldictionary or Woster's Unabridged Dictionary of Hip, Hot and Happening Jazz-Slang of the Twenties.
 
2009-09-11 10:00:40 PM
"These aren't the guys who built the farking rail roads, man!!"
 
2009-09-11 10:04:12 PM
mercator_psi: I hate Betty Boop, and I also hate when people identify with her and put Betty Boop stickers on their cars and what-not. Oh, you really want to be a flapper caricature? Have at it.

Yeah, those people are not near as cool as the folks who go to RenFaire or Comic-Con.
 
2009-09-11 10:14:29 PM
Was that a little bit racist?

contexts.org

And how!
 
2009-09-11 10:26:21 PM
I don't get the headline.

The poor stupid negro babies all diapered together with one safety pin because they are poor and stupid, getting lured off stage with a watermelon, was totally fine? It was the negro baby in the audience crying for a watermelon, which the mother happens to carry everywhere, that put this one over the top?
 
2009-09-11 10:33:08 PM
Action Replay Nick: I don't get the headline.

The poor stupid negro babies all diapered together with one safety pin because they are poor and stupid, getting lured off stage with a watermelon, was totally fine? It was the negro baby in the audience crying for a watermelon, which the mother happens to carry everywhere, that put this one over the top?


I lure negro babies with watermelons for a living so i'm getting a kick out of your reply.
 
2009-09-11 10:57:24 PM
Now I'm hungry for watermelon. And some dog.
 
2009-09-11 11:12:46 PM
I've got a pair of Betty Boop underwear, if that helps.
 
2009-09-11 11:19:07 PM
Looks like I got the live half of that tab of acid.
 
2009-09-11 11:22:01 PM
i took off my pants for THIS?
 
2009-09-11 11:31:53 PM
Damned Progressive for its tiime
 
2009-09-11 11:46:00 PM
peachpicker: Was that a little bit racist?

EVELYONE'S A RITTER BIT LACIST!!1!
 
2009-09-11 11:51:29 PM
I was waiting for Betty Boop to scream "You lie!" at the pinned together babies.

BTW, fark everyone who has defended that twit.
 
2009-09-11 11:54:28 PM
Cornwell: had a definition for flapper t

Or you could look in the actual dictionary..
 
2009-09-12 12:00:00 AM
I'm gonna have that song in my head the rest of the night. I don't know the words...but the general tune.

I'm sorry, but the image at the end of the babies all in a giant crib drinking from a giant milk dispenser was weird and kinda funny. I don't think I should be laughing but that's like when you go to a farm and all the cows are lined up.

Don't forget to respect your grandparents.
 
2009-09-12 12:08:45 AM
Who banned this and when?
 
2009-09-12 12:19:07 AM
Video was way too long. Could have been like 30 seconds.
 
2009-09-12 12:26:16 AM
It's not like those black folks were eating fried chicken or something. Now that's funny.
 
2009-09-12 12:44:33 AM
Oh how shocking..oh muh godz...!.

Our Gang, Betty Boop, Warner Brothers Cartoons, MGM, Popeye, The Three Stooges, and the rest of that era had that going on at that time. Steppin Fetchit was a box office wonder too. Different era, things have changed. The only thing that pisses me off are the people who ban these things from being shown. Look and learn from the past. Trying to make it disappear as if it never happened doesn't do anyone any good no matter how offensive it may be.
 
2009-09-12 12:50:55 AM
King Something: peachpicker: Was that a little bit racist?


EVELYONE'S A RITTER BIT LACIST!!1!



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/... i don't know what you're talking about.
 
2009-09-12 12:51:45 AM
Protip for smitty: Minstrel shows were still common in the '20s and '30s. Amazingly, cartoons spoofed them.
 
2009-09-12 12:52:54 AM
That looked like a pretty good variety show. Much better than the America's Got Talent episode I saw recently.
 
2009-09-12 01:01:00 AM
OK, I get that the watermelon gag is supposed to be racist, but it is utterly baffling as to how. What's the historical context of that? It's always just assumed, every time I've seen it.
 
2009-09-12 01:13:03 AM
So black people were loud and disruptive in theaters back then too?
 
2009-09-12 01:27:25 AM
Action Replay Nick: I don't get the headline.

The poor stupid negro babies all diapered together with one safety pin because they are poor and stupid, getting lured off stage with a watermelon, was totally fine? It was the negro baby in the audience crying for a watermelon, which the mother happens to carry everywhere, that put this one over the top?


THIS.
 
2009-09-12 01:38:43 AM
zimbach: OK, I get that the watermelon gag is supposed to be racist, but it is utterly baffling as to how. What's the historical context of that? It's always just assumed, every time I've seen it.

It's portraying black people as savages with less intelligence than monkeys driven solely by their bestial urges. The watermelon/fried chicken is a meme which brings up ugly connotations. This may seem Freudian but all of this has a long history of subtext beneath it.
 
2009-09-12 02:31:27 AM
Illidan: zimbach: OK, I get that the watermelon gag is supposed to be racist, but it is utterly baffling as to how. What's the historical context of that? It's always just assumed, every time I've seen it.

It's portraying black people as savages with less intelligence than monkeys driven solely by their bestial urges. The watermelon/fried chicken is a meme which brings up ugly connotations. This may seem Freudian but all of this has a long history of subtext beneath it.


I am not a historian, but as best I can tell, it boils down to the fact that fried chicken and watermelon were staple foods for African slaves, and thus tend to be associated with slavery in the U.S. Watermelon is believed to have been introduced to the United States by African slaves, although it was introduced to some American Indian tribes as early as the 1500's. As for fried chicken, it appears to be of Scottish origin (although I know the Italians and Vietnamese have their own versions), but when African slaves started making it, they added their own spices, leading to the fried chicken we know today.

Ironically, by the time of the slave trade, watermelon was being cultivated well beyond Africa, and I'm not aware of any traditional African dishes that bear any resemblance to southern-style fried chicken.
 
2009-09-12 02:38:55 AM
Never could stand Betty Boop. Untalented bimbo using her arse and irritating voice to become a national icon?

Oh, sorry, that was Monroe...
 
2009-09-12 02:40:44 AM
vudukungfu: Damned Progressive for its tiime

This. It showed an integrated audience. Very rare at the time. I wouldn't be surprised it was banned for that reason in certain parts of the country, not for the various ethnic stereotypes depicted by the babies which was quite common back then.
 
2009-09-12 02:45:04 AM
Betty Boop knew that the essence of American culture is not a melting pot, but a tossed salad. A tossed salad.
 
2009-09-12 03:58:07 AM
Alien Robot: vudukungfu: Damned Progressive for its tiime

This. It showed an integrated audience. Very rare at the time. I wouldn't be surprised it was banned for that reason in certain parts of the country, not for the various ethnic stereotypes depicted by the babies which was quite common back then.


Hella. But I do find it interesting that they have the caricatured blacks and not the caricatured Asian.

I'd also like to point out how good the animation is in general. Even though it's somewhat 'rubber-arm', check out how Betty Boop walks and how her legs and arms move when she is dancing in place. It's a really elegant effect with economy of cels.

The other Fleisher cartoons are awesome too. The Superman cartoon he did, on the restored DVD version, looks better than most kids cartoons do now. It's very impressive.
 
2009-09-12 04:57:05 AM
ryanguy7890: I'm sorry, but the image at the end of the babies all in a giant crib drinking from a giant milk dispenser was weird and kinda funny. I don't think I should be laughing but that's like when you go to a farm and all the cows are lined up.

Yeah - that was so wrong - it's almost like the n****er and c***k babies were equal to the white babies. What farking propaganda this was.

Making comedy out of racial stereotypes is so wrong. I'm so thankful we are well beyond that and no comedian would ever think of doing anything like that today, especially "minorities"
 
2009-09-12 05:02:27 AM
So.../b/ is really short for Betty Boop?
 
2009-09-12 05:29:16 AM
Fried chicken was a staple food of slaves because they had to reuse their rations of lard over and over again.
 
2009-09-12 05:44:21 AM
Coelacanth: Fried chicken was a staple food of slaves because they had to reuse their rations of lard over and over again.

And it was typically the only animal they were allowed to slaughter for food. Beef and pork (except for the shiat cuts) were for the masters in the house. The house slaves would bring things like the intestines, legs, head, plate, etc. to the slaves in the field to cook their dinner. That's where "traditional" southern and soul food recipes came from. Chitlins, pig lips, cracklins, ham shanks, and greens (flavored with the inedible bit of ham) were all slave dishes. The popularity of a lot of Mexican food in the south came about the same way -- leftover corn meal and shiat cuts of pork/beef = tamales. Corn bread has a similar origin...wheat flour was for the masters, while corn flour (aka corn meal aka masa) was for the slaves to make bread with.

Of course, I am not a nutritional anthropologist...

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2009-09-12 05:54:41 AM
I have read the above. I too have been baffled by watermelons being racist. I still not sure I get it with this cartoon. The black mum and baby looked perfect happy with it. It kept the baby quiet as it was clearly hungry. And they enjoyed the show together. Not sure there could have been more harmony. The black babies on stage cried because they banged their heads. Not sure that is too racist either. And let's not get into the style they were drawn. The white people were caricatures of white people and no one ever looked like Betty, unless you count Stewie from Family Guy.
Slavery was bad, but surely this wasn't about slavery. They were together in audience and together on the stage. How even does this need to be?
Think this is down to US stereotypes - somewhere along the line, any black person with a watermelon in their hands became a bad thing. Wonder if black people steer clear of all watermelons now.
 
2009-09-12 06:48:22 AM
Its funny because its true.
 
2009-09-12 09:02:50 AM
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/hot like fried chicken
 
2009-09-12 09:04:43 AM
the other day I was at the public library of Richmond, the main branch downtown. I saw this enormous black woman sitting on the wall at the corner of the building eating a big slice of watermelon.

it took every fiber of my being to not walk up to her and tell her to stop being a cliche'
 
2009-09-12 09:23:04 AM
Bgnome: the other day I was at the public library of Richmond, the main branch downtown. I saw this enormous black woman sitting on the wall at the corner of the building eating a big slice of watermelon.

it took every fiber of my being to not walk up to her and tell her to stop being a cliche'


Maybe she was an ironic art installation?
 
2009-09-12 09:43:42 AM
"I always thought that I loved fried chicken because it was delicious. As it turns out, I am genetically predisposed to loving some fried chicken".

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2009-09-12 10:36:32 AM
I love fried chicken and watermelon. And matzoh ball soup. And chile rellenos. And caprese salad. And back bacon.

Just not at the same time.

/never tried haggis
//don't know why you're reading this
 
2009-09-12 11:50:01 AM
Somewhat on subject, there's a brilliant movie from the 30's with some racist overtones called Green Pastures that I highly recommend. It's a collaboration of stories from the Old Testament told from a negro point of view.

While there is evident racism, if this movie was banned you'd miss a brilliant performance by the actor (who's name escapes me) who played God, as well as an awesome soundtrack of negro spirituals/hymns.
 
2009-09-12 12:33:59 PM
Very advanced for it's time.In the 30s,a black woman wouldn't be in the main theater.
 
2009-09-12 12:57:04 PM
While there is evident racism, if this movie was banned you'd miss a brilliant performance by the actor (who's name escapes me) who played God, as well as an awesome soundtrack of negro spirituals/hymns.

Rex Ingram. Awesome movie
 
2009-09-12 01:21:56 PM
Illidan: The watermelon/fried chicken is a meme which brings up ugly connotations.

Pet peeve--"meme" isn't just any running gag, it's one that evolves in scope and usage over time. It would not apply to vestigial humor of the 20's.
 
2009-09-12 02:02:17 PM
CatJumpJohn: Illidan: The watermelon/fried chicken is a meme which brings up ugly connotations.

Pet peeve--"meme" isn't just any running gag, it's one that evolves in scope and usage over time. It would not apply to vestigial humor of the 20's.


I was under the imipression that a meme was restricted to the internet. If it left the digital realm it became a trend or fad or whatever.
 
2009-09-12 04:51:14 PM
ryanguy7890: CatJumpJohn: Illidan: The watermelon/fried chicken is a meme which brings up ugly connotations.

Pet peeve--"meme" isn't just any running gag, it's one that evolves in scope and usage over time. It would not apply to vestigial humor of the 20's.

I was under the imipression that a meme was restricted to the internet. If it left the digital realm it became a trend or fad or whatever.


Not at all, though some folks might like to think so. Conceptually, a meme is sort of like an infectious idea that gets propagated from one person to another through various means.
 
2009-09-12 04:58:42 PM
Interesting to see quintuplets in the cartoon. The Dionne quintuplets were born in 1934 and the cartoon was from 1935. Back then, the Dionne quintuplets were headline news. In fact, the Province of Ontario stepped in and took the quints from their parents, raised them, and turned them into a tourist attraction.
 
2009-09-12 07:16:56 PM
It's not "banned", we still have this thing called freedom of speech. They just don't show it anymore for obvious reasons.
 
2009-09-12 10:53:39 PM
Flying Code Monkey: ryanguy7890: CatJumpJohn: Illidan: The watermelon/fried chicken is a meme which brings up ugly connotations.

Pet peeve--"meme" isn't just any running gag, it's one that evolves in scope and usage over time. It would not apply to vestigial humor of the 20's.

I was under the imipression that a meme was restricted to the internet. If it left the digital realm it became a trend or fad or whatever.

Not at all, though some folks might like to think so. Conceptually, a meme is sort of like an infectious idea that gets propagated from one person to another through various means.


Hmm. Well, it appears I'm fairly wrong; by this definition, specific racisms would be a meme. Sorry, Illidan.
 
2009-09-12 11:46:21 PM
ByronR: Very advanced for it's time.In the 30s,a black woman wouldn't be in the main theater.

Cataholic: Protip for smitty: Minstrel shows were still common in the '20s and '30s. Amazingly, cartoons spoofed them.

Are there any cartoons from that era with black characters who actually look like people? That's the thing that bothers me the most about these old caricatures. The black babies and the black mother in the cartoon look like no human who has ever lived. Weren't there any cartoons where they tried to make more realistic minority characters?
 
2009-09-13 02:10:17 AM
www.hotghettomess.com
 
2009-09-13 04:13:34 AM
DrGunsforHands: The black babies and the black mother in the cartoon look like no human who has ever lived.

They look way more human than Betty Boop does by far.

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2009-09-13 05:09:55 AM
MorningBreath: WTF begins well before 3:54.

Even before Boop herself, and she's a big ol wtf too.
 
2009-09-13 12:58:15 PM
They still played the politically incorrect cartoons when I was growing up in the 70s, especially on Sunday morning when it was more of the 2nd tier cartoons vs. Saturday, more likely to be older, often WW2 era.

I remember not realizing they were actually people. There were talking bears, rabbits, dogs, cats, then the minstrel looking characters. I thought it was just another thing that made reference to another thing that I didn't understand. After all, how much does Bugs Bunny look like a real rabbit?

Asian references made sense to me a little sooner even though I was around kids of both teams, though no Asian kid I knew, or met since then, had a 3 foot long pony tail.
 
2009-09-13 04:09:21 PM
Alien Robot: DrGunsforHands: The black babies and the black mother in the cartoon look like no human who has ever lived.

They look way more human than Betty Boop does by far.


A Betty Boop cartoon probably wasn't the best place for this question.
 
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