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2009-09-11 03:54:54 PM  

twidgetfitch: Sublime_Influence: so im curious, how many foreign civilian lives are worth one american civilian life?

I did the math, 1 American life equivalent to somewhere between 556 and 848 foreign lives.


So that's, what, 750 to 1000 Canadian?
 
2009-09-11 03:54:54 PM  
Also deserving mention is #fark and the spawned #farknews (moderated with selected users to post updates from specific news sources) for a hell of alot of help in keeping people informed. I didn't do a hell of a lot but got e-mails for literally years thanking everyone for what help we could provide.
 
2009-09-11 03:56:47 PM  

Rapmaster2000: PeriRies: I don't really believe in conspiracy theories, but it does seem rather odd to me that the pilot of the plane that hit the Pentagon was apparently rather mediocre at flying a Cessna, but could make the equivalent of a night landing on a carrier on his first try...in a plane that size...at that speed.

I mean, that's one hell of a hard thing to do for a rookie pilot.

How is hitting the world's largest office building in the day time equivalent to landing on the deck of an aircraft carrier at night?

How do you know that these 2 things are equivalent?


I don't.

Nevermind.

I'm sure what he did was childs play.
 
2009-09-11 03:56:53 PM  

twidgetfitch: Sublime_Influence: so im curious, how many foreign civilian lives are worth one american civilian life?

I did the math, 1 American life equivalent to somewhere between 556 and 848 foreign lives.


Wow, so using your formula, during 9/11 about 1,366,000 foreigners died. sounds about right.
 
2009-09-11 03:58:40 PM  

KingKauff: This may sound crass, but 9/11 caused the best traffic Atlanta has ever seen. Everyone was being kind to each other and even though everyone in the city was heading home at the same time, traffic flowed smoothly.


I was just talking about the same thing during lunch today with my co-worker. I vividly remember driving home from work and everyone was signaling, passing nicely and letting people in when the lanes merged; practically unheard of for Chicago traffic. But it gave me a nice feeling of solidarity that consoled me at that time.
 
2009-09-11 04:06:27 PM  

Tatsuma: I think I will post a few profiles of the victims, in order to give a face to this tragedy. First one hit close to home (I guess he didn't receive the memo to stay home)



FIVE FLOORS ABOVE, Shimmy Biegeleisen phoned his wife from his office at money-management firm Fiduciary Trust International Inc. "There's been an explosion next door," the 42-year-old vice president said. "Don't worry. I'm OK."...


*sigh* Tats, that is quite possibly the saddest thing I'll read all year. I almost prefer the tasteless Photoshop jokes to that. I don't come to FARK to feel feelings, dammit...

Anyway, Shabbat shalom.
 
2009-09-11 04:06:27 PM  

Special T: CrazyCracka420: I'll always remember looking at the TV
It was an unnecessary tragedy however. Demolitions clearly brought down WTC 1, 2 and 7 that day. No modern high rise that's been struck by a plane, has collapsed (let alone twice in one day, and both collapsing on their own frames). Do some research on structural fires on modern high rises across the world, and you will see a very simple truth.

I think reality will be accepted some day by most people of the world, I just don't know if we'll ever really know who the culprit was.

Huh. I was in my first semester of college then, too. I hope you dropped out shortly thereafter, because if you (or your parents) paid for 4 years of college and you came out of it as completely brainless as you appear to be, that's an awful waste of time and money.


Truthers are as ridiculous as people who believe in fairies, Big Foot and shadow people.
 
2009-09-11 04:07:42 PM  
I watched Fox and CNN, all while reading the Fark thread. I was house-sitting at my best friend's apartment waiting for the cable guy when all of this went down. I will never forget...I went white as a sheet and just sat on the couch, eyes watering, just feeling the anger boiling inside. Hard to believe its been 8 years...
 
2009-09-11 04:11:09 PM  

twidgetfitch: I did the math, 1 American life equivalent to somewhere between 556 and 848 foreign lives.


You are using the old equation. LOG functions are less reliable than the new LED functions.

Bullets are much more efficent than clubs. Re-do your math!
 
2009-09-11 04:11:20 PM  
My wife was 8 months pregnant on 9-11. I was watching the news by my self when Matt and Katy broke in. I watched off and on the rest of the morning, alternating between that and updating people online until I couldn't handle it any more, spent the rest of the day in a bar scared shiatless for my baby and the world we were bringing it into. Ironically, when I mentioned this to my mother, she related having the same type of feelings in October 1962 when she was 8 months pregnant with me(Cuban Missle Crisis)
 
2009-09-11 04:14:59 PM  
I went to a document museum in Santa Barbara CA that had posters (made by families of all the missing people) after this happened. They were put up throughout the museum and there were hundreds of them. It was so sad to see their pictures, decriptions, names and the desparation of the pleas from their families. Really made it personal. I cried a lot; it was very difficult, yet moving.
 
2009-09-11 04:15:25 PM  
I remember, after waking up to my mother saying, over the telephone, "Don't go to New York today," and switching on the TV to see a scene out of a nightmare, that I watched the news all day. First the live footage as news that the Pentagon had been struck came in, and then the towers collapsed. Then came the endless hours of talking as they showed the towers collapse in slow-motion over and over again.

Finally a housemate took the remote away from me and switched to the Game Show Network, which was possibly the only station on cable that wasn't simulcasting the news coverage.

Later that night I talked with a friend over dinner about the ramifications of the day; I stated that I was afraid that we'd get stuck in a long, costly war, and that basic assumptions about freedom and citizenship would change.

I wish I'd been wrong.
 
2009-09-11 04:15:58 PM  

PeriRies: Rapmaster2000: PeriRies: I don't really believe in conspiracy theories, but it does seem rather odd to me that the pilot of the plane that hit the Pentagon was apparently rather mediocre at flying a Cessna, but could make the equivalent of a night landing on a carrier on his first try...in a plane that size...at that speed.

I mean, that's one hell of a hard thing to do for a rookie pilot.

How is hitting the world's largest office building in the day time equivalent to landing on the deck of an aircraft carrier at night?

How do you know that these 2 things are equivalent?

I don't.

Nevermind.

I'm sure what he did was childs play.


Do you always rush to absolutism when your apples and oranges fallacy fails?
 
2009-09-11 04:16:20 PM  
That thread gave me serious chills.

I was living in Virginia at the time. At home that morning with my newborn daughter. Baby's dadda was working in DC that morning and I was terrified that I could not get a hold of him. I was able to call my family on the west coast and rouse them from bed to watch history unfold.
Unforgettable.
 
2009-09-11 04:17:36 PM  

saintwrathchild: TsukasaK: Bartleby the Scrivener: Honestly, you can get hung up on the minutiae of the physics and the terminology of whatever. NIST didn't prove anything in that "experiment" because, quite frankly, 9/11 was not a situation that could be replicated.

I frankly disagree, and your description of the physics in play as "minutiae", makes it seem as if you are not sincere about this as you initially appeared to be.

Also, if the NIST experiments were such pointless failures, then why did the 9/11 commission revise their report after being presented with the results? It was serious enough that their official explanation (pancaking of floors due to weakening of supports) was completely thrown out.

Yes, planes flew into the towers. Yes, a lot of people died, Yes, it is a tragedy.

We all know that. I'm interested in the details.

Here. Now you've got some reading to do. Get on it.


No reading necessary. Simply watch someone who knows way more about the way government and the military work than you or the editors of "Popular Mechanics":

Link (new window)

Good luck debunking him.
 
2009-09-11 04:18:01 PM  
They censored GTA4 for THIS!? FARK YOU!
 
2009-09-11 04:18:45 PM  

indylaw:

Later that night I talked with a friend over dinner about the ramifications of the day; I stated that I was afraid that we'd get stuck in a long, costly war, and that basic assumptions about freedom and citizenship would change.

I wish I'd been wrong.


I had pretty much the same conversation over beers. I underestimated how much air travel was about to suck.
 
2009-09-11 04:19:26 PM  
Photo gallery link here (new window).
 
2009-09-11 04:20:15 PM  
I was working in Brussels and I had a demo the next day and the internets had been down all farking day and I didn't know why it was making my job harder and pissing me off. Then at the end of the day the boss came in and told me what had happened. I thought he was joking.

/9-11 is also my birthday
//Wants Bin Laden's head on a silver platter
///Happy birthday to me
 
2009-09-11 04:20:29 PM  
I remember thinking 10,000 must have died.

Glad Al Q didn't know when most New Yorkers got in to work either.

(Now that I live here, I try to get in by 11.)
 
2009-09-11 04:20:38 PM  
I remember that day well. I watched the second plane fly into the WTC on my iPhone. I couldn't believe it! Everyone had about a million tweets letting people know they were okay. We all hated Bush for it and knew we would vote him out of the White House and replace him with Obama that next election.

/flashbulb memory FTW!
 
2009-09-11 04:20:44 PM  
I rememebr being woken up by my brother after he came home from late night work shift telling me one of the WTC towers was on fire. I started watching, feeling "Well, this is going to be on the news all day", so was going to catch the first hour of it or so then go off an do something else.

Then I watched as the second plane hit.

As the events unfolded, I realalized that if there were people out there who were crazy enough to highjack plane full of people and crash them into buildings for "religion", that just maybe this would shock the rest of the people into looking at their own insane ways and try to correct them.

I was so wrong.
 
2009-09-11 04:20:49 PM  

project.ares: Sublime_Influence: project.ares: Random Question: What makes tragedy in general so interesting to humanity?

Humans feed on it.

So, sort of an emotional vampirism, i guess?

makes sense. Sorta.


I need to watch things die from a distance. Vicariously, I live while the whole world dies. You all need it too don't lie
 
2009-09-11 04:29:21 PM  
I was at work in Wisconsin and it was nearly mob rule here. We had the same slow internet collection but stories and misinformation was like wildfire. There was talk of bomb attacks in DC and Disney World. There was no news to verify any of it but people were going wild and sure an attack was immenient here. It was the first time I saw group panic up close. It was nearly comic. Then the local F-16 squadron took off and immediately went supersonic and it got very real very fast.
 
2009-09-11 04:29:24 PM  
Other quotes from that thread:

Henchman Yes, many kudos to Drew for this. I wouldn't be suprised if history books mention FARK.com when they cover these events.

bigpeeler On a lighter note, looks like we have our "all time highest posted submission" with this. (This was around post 350...)
 
2009-09-11 04:33:12 PM  

ItsNotButter: - A friend who worked for Port Authority, disregarded the announcements and left. She took a friend. As she ran, encouraging her friend, she turned to see her companion cut apart by falling glass. She walked across the Brooklyn bridge to home... she's safe, but never recovered


Holy carp.
 
2009-09-11 04:35:03 PM  
I had just finished a job for Intel in Costa Rica on Monday evening. The next day I was supposed to fly back home to Texas. Since all air traffic was shut down, I wound up staying in Costa Rica for three days. Only thing I could do was read, and walk on the beach. On the bright side, I decided to try flan. Never had it before then, but they had flan everywhere. So, being the adventurous type, I had flan for dessert after my KFC 2 piece meal one evening. Been hooked on flan ever since.
 
2009-09-11 04:35:09 PM  

Radworld4: I was at work in Wisconsin and it was nearly mob rule here. We had the same slow internet collection but stories and misinformation was like wildfire. There was talk of bomb attacks in DC and Disney World. There was no news to verify any of it but people were going wild and sure an attack was immenient here.


we must protect the cheese!
 
2009-09-11 04:35:52 PM  

Sublime_Influence: so im curious, how many foreign civilian lives are worth one american civilian life?


When you say "foreign civilian lives" do you mean "actual" people, or would that include Iraqi, Afghani, Pakistani etc??
 
2009-09-11 04:35:52 PM  

FIBmeister: Been hooked on flan ever since.


pack it up

it's over

the terrorists won
 
2009-09-11 04:36:45 PM  

aedude01: I was in the snack shop at "Bob Jones University" with my best friend when the first plane hit. When the second one hit she broke down crying, and all I could do was watch. (BJU has a strict no-touching rule between genders, even in a National Emergency.) Her dad worked in the second tower...


What the fark is wrong with you?
 
2009-09-11 04:38:03 PM  
I wasnt even on fark when this happen..

so this is the first time reading that..and wow...

Its like the the VW bug thread a couple weeks ago times a million and not funny at all.

A sad day indeed
 
2009-09-11 04:39:48 PM  
Ultimately, what 9/11 did was murder hope in the hearts of most Americans.

Ever since, we've been a divided nation of the meek and afraid, indefensible, and unwilling to make trouble while the US steadily degenerates into some unrecognizable parody of what it once was.

Instead of believing in ourselves, and in the undeniable goodness of the human spirit, we instead snipe and bicker over trivialities.
 
2009-09-11 04:39:50 PM  
The day I discoverd FARK.COM..
And have been here ever since. This place is a great place to get a quick picture of pretty much any headline.
Thanking the community at large is too small a gesture.

/thanks folks
//it has been great, and quick
/// really..
 
2009-09-11 04:42:33 PM  

que.guero: Ultimately, what 9/11 did was murder hope in the hearts of most Americans.

Ever since, we've been a divided nation of the meek and afraid, indefensible, and unwilling to make trouble while the US steadily degenerates into some unrecognizable parody of what it once was.

Instead of believing in ourselves, and in the undeniable goodness of the human spirit, we instead snipe and bicker over trivialities.


sad but true.
 
2009-09-11 04:42:44 PM  

Graboidz: Sublime_Influence: so im curious, how many foreign civilian lives are worth one american civilian life?

When you say "foreign civilian lives" do you mean "actual" people, or would that include Iraqi, Afghani, Pakistani etc?? brown people too?

 
2009-09-11 04:44:23 PM  

jdawg3k: aedude01: I was in the snack shop at "Bob Jones University" with my best friend when the first plane hit. When the second one hit she broke down crying, and all I could do was watch. (BJU has a strict no-touching rule between genders, even in a National Emergency.) Her dad worked in the second tower...

What the fark is wrong with you?


Ironic?
 
2009-09-11 04:44:55 PM  

Sublime_Influence: project.ares: Random Question: What makes tragedy in general so interesting to humanity?

Humans feed on it.


Yup. Tool wrote a song about it. "Vicarious."
 
2009-09-11 04:47:16 PM  

que.guero: Ultimately, what 9/11 did was murder hope in the hearts of most Americans.

Ever since, we've been a divided nation of the meek and afraid, indefensible, and unwilling to make trouble while the US steadily degenerates into some unrecognizable parody of what it once was.

Instead of believing in ourselves, and in the undeniable goodness of the human spirit, we instead snipe and bicker over trivialities.


nuh uh. It's the other team's fault.
 
2009-09-11 04:57:50 PM  

Tatsuma: dstanley: Tatsuma: Death, destruction and thousands of people dying: COMEDY GOLD amirite guyz?

Fark account number: 146681
Account created: 2004-03-20 08:47:11

You've been here long enough to know better.

I've been here pretty much exactly 8 years and an hour or so today.

This place has been steadily going down, and it's getting worse since /b/ was created. See the annoying Glenn Beck meme, for example.


Agreed.

Every day I'm adding more and more hateful bigots and trolls to my ignore list.
 
2009-09-11 04:58:49 PM  

LaserShark: project.ares: Sublime_Influence: project.ares: Random Question: What makes tragedy in general so interesting to humanity?

Humans feed on it.

So, sort of an emotional vampirism, i guess?

makes sense. Sorta.

I need to watch things die from a distance. Vicariously, I live while the whole world dies. You all need it too don't lie


Maynard G. Muskievote: Sublime_Influence: project.ares: Random Question: What makes tragedy in general so interesting to humanity?

Humans feed on it.

Yup. Tool wrote a song about it. "Vicarious."


I posted the lyrics to that song earlier in the thread... kinda evil i think hahaha
 
2009-09-11 04:59:18 PM  
I was scheduled for hernia surgery for the morning of 9/11. Went to the hospital around 5:30 a.m., came out anesthesia just as the Today show was announcing the 1st plane hitting and saw the footage of plane #2 as it came into view and struck the WTC. I thought it was the drugs, even with the crying and screaming going on in the recovery room. Those are scenes I don't think I'll forget. Got to spend the next 2 weeks watching nothing but WTC footage, news and reports. Tried to explain to my 2 boys (14 & 9) what had happened.
 
2009-09-11 05:03:12 PM  

que.guero: Ultimately, what 9/11 did was murder hope in the hearts of most Americans.

Ever since, we've been a divided nation of the meek and afraid, indefensible, and unwilling to make trouble while the US steadily degenerates into some unrecognizable parody of what it once was.

Instead of believing in ourselves, and in the undeniable goodness of the human spirit, we instead snipe and bicker over trivialities.


And we keep re-electing toolbags on both sides who are only interested in 'CYA' and surviving the next election.

/not meek
//learning to fire weapons
///picked up my conceal carry permit today
 
2009-09-11 05:03:19 PM  
I was just getting into the CEO's office to tell him about all the Porn I found on the pc in the Dr's lounge. (Worked for a large hospital) Saw the TV, and soon after saw the 2nd plane hit.
A few minutes later my phone rang. It was my dad's secretary. He was flying into NYC that morning for a trade show. Turns out he was on final approach to LaGuardia when the 2nd plane hit, got diverted to Logan, then diverted again to RI. He ended up renting a car and driving back to Florida.
Took us close to 6 hours for us to get a hold of him.
 
2009-09-11 05:06:12 PM  

FitzerValve: I was just getting into the CEO's office to tell him about all the Porn I found on the pc in the Dr's lounge. (Worked for a large hospital) Saw the TV, and soon after saw the 2nd plane hit.
A few minutes later my phone rang. It was my dad's secretary. He was flying into NYC that morning for a trade show. Turns out he was on final approach to LaGuardia when the 2nd plane hit, got diverted to Logan, then diverted again to RI. He ended up renting a car and driving back to Florida.
Took us close to 6 hours for us to get a hold of him.


Just the cover up the good doctors needed to clean up the computer!
 
2009-09-11 05:08:13 PM  
I was in 9th grade, in graphic arts class. Someone ran in and said that a plane had hit, etc. The TV in the senior lounge was mobbed so I went to my next class where I saw everything starting a few minutes before the second plane hit. I remember saying to my self (aloud) holy f*ck this is terrorists. My teacher just looked at me and kept watching. Scary day for a 9th grader. That whole month was a nightmare.
 
2009-09-11 05:08:28 PM  

FIBmeister: Just the cover up the good doctors needed to clean up the computer!


and now we've solved the conspiracy, Truthers
 
2009-09-11 05:10:16 PM  
organs in mains
what's a douchbag?
 
2009-09-11 05:10:19 PM  
Sure, you will never forget 9/11/01.

And that is why now, we will never leave Afghanistan.

Take a good look at this map. It might as well be the 51st state.
www.country-data.com

Don't believe me?

Japan attacked us in 1941, 68 years ago. Let's have a look at the list of current US Military bases in Japan:

The U.S. military installations in Japan and their managing branches are:
Air Force:
• Camp Chitose, Chitose, Hokkaido
• Kadena Air Base, Okinawa Prefecture
• Kadena Ammunition Storage Area, Okinawa Prefecture
• Misawa Air Base, Aomori Prefecture
• Yokota Air Base, Fussa, Tokyo
• Fuchu Communications Station, Fuchu, Tokyo
• Tama Service Annex, Inagi, Tokyo
• Yugi Communication Site, Hachioji, Tokyo
• Camp Asaka AFN Transmitter Site, Saitama Prefecture
• Tokorozawa Transmitter Site, Saitama Prefecture
• Owada Communication Site, Saitama Prefecture
• Okuma Rest Center, Okinawa Prefecture
• Yaedake Communication Site, Okinawa Prefecture
• Senaha Communication Station, Okinawa Prefecture
Army:
• Fort Buckner, Okinawa Prefecture
• Camp Zama, Zama, Kanagawa
• Yokohama North Dock, Yokohama, Kanagawa
• Sagami General Depot, Sagamihara, Kanagawa
• Sagamihara Housing Area, Sagamihara, Kanagawa
• Akizuki Ammunition Depot, Hiroshima Prefecture
• Hiro Ammunition Depot, Hiroshima Prefecture
• Kawakami Ammunition Depot, Hiroshima Prefecture
• Gesaji Communication Site, Okinawa Prefecture
• Army POL Depots, Okinawa Prefecture
• White Beach Area, Okinawa Prefecture
• Naha Port, Okinawa Prefecture
• Hardy Barracks, Roppongi, Tokyo
• Torii Station, Yomitan, Okinawa Prefecture, Japan
Marine Corps:
• Camp Smedley D. Butler, Okinawa, Yamaguchi Prefectures. Although these camps are dispersed throughout Okinawa and Japan they are all under the heading of Camp Smedley D. Butler):
o Camp McTureous
o Camp Courtney
o Camp Kinser
o Camp Hansen
o Camp Schwab
o Camp Shields
o Camp Gonsalves (Jungle Warfare Training Center)
o Kin Blue Beach Training Area
o Kin Red Beach Training Area
o NSGA Hanza
o Higashionna Ammunition Storage Point II
o Henoko Ordnance Ammunition Depot
o Camp Foster, Okinawa Prefecture
o Camp Lester, Okinawa Prefecture
• Marine Corps Air Station Futenma
o Yomitan Auxiliary Airfield
• Marine Corps Air Station Iwakuni
• Camp Fuji, Shizuoka Prefecture
• Numazu Training Area, Shizuoka Prefecture
• Tengan Pier
• Ie Jima Auxiliary Air Field, Okinawa Prefecture
• Tsuken Jima Training Area
• Kadena Ammunition Storage Area
Navy:
• Naval Air Facility Atsugi, Ayase, Kanagawa
• United States Fleet Activities Sasebo, Sasebo, Nagasaki
• United States Fleet Activities Yokosuka, Yokosuka, Kanagawa
• Urago Ammunition Depot, Yokosuka, Kanagawa Prefecture
• Tsurumi POL Depot, Yokohama, Kanagawa Prefecture
• Naval Housing Annex Negishi, Yokohama, Kanagawa Prefecture
• Naval Transmitter Station Totsuka, Yokohama, Kanagawa Prefecture
• Naval Support Facility Kamiseya, Yokohama, Kanagawa Prefecture
• Tomioka Storage Area, Yokohama, Kanagawa Prefecture
• Naval Housing Annex Ikego, Zushi, Kanagawa
• White Beach Area, Okinawa Prefecture
• Awase Communication Station, Okinawa Prefecture
• Sobe Communication Site, Okinawa Prefecture
• New Sanno Hotel, Tokyo

We will never turn our backs on Afghanistan for as long as there is a place called Afghanistan.

/get used to it
 
2009-09-11 05:11:33 PM  
Damn it... I knew I shouldn't have gone down this path.

I decided it would be a good idea to read the my two staple websites: Slashdot and Fark.

Fark where I get my daily non-news, learn the latest memes, have epic threads about boobies, arguments circumcisions, political flamewars and the occasional rotsy.

They held up better than any CNN, MSNBC or FoxNews website. People disseminated first person accounts, information, blood drives, donations.

And I'm going to stop there before I lose it in work.
Slashdot 9/11 (new window)
Slashdot 9/12 (new window)
 
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