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2009-09-11 08:18:42 AM  
Van Osdol tried to speak to state police in Butler County, but they were not available for comment.

Circle the wagons.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, CIRCLE THE WAGONS!!!

 
2009-09-11 10:30:41 AM  
Yikes!

Can you sue the police?
 
2009-09-11 11:04:28 AM  
Or the White House.
 
2009-09-11 11:07:35 AM  
Quit nit-picking my tactical decisions, Subby.
 
2009-09-11 11:08:57 AM  
They said they would cover his deductible or whatever the insurance company doesn't pay.

IMHO that is screwed up. Now the homeowner's rates are going to rise because of police negligence. He should not have to submit this to his insurer. I call shenanigans.
 
2009-09-11 11:09:20 AM  
....and the left house, and the one in the middle.

/just to be safe.
 
2009-09-11 11:09:51 AM  
Don't cry over spilled gas.
 
2009-09-11 11:11:25 AM  
They said they would pay for the damage, meaning, the taxpayers would pay.

FTFH
 
2009-09-11 11:12:22 AM  
He's lucky they didn't run his house rhrough with a tank, so just count your blessings citizen
 
2009-09-11 11:14:46 AM  
www.thepittsburghchannel.com

What a... uhh, umm, broken window may look like?
 
2009-09-11 11:16:36 AM  
"Honey, there's someone on the front porch"

"Oh My GOD!"
 
2009-09-11 11:16:56 AM  
FTFA Spinetti said state police have promised him they will cover any costs of the cleanup that are not being covered by his insurance company.

I don't know much about homeowners insurance but do they up your rates the same way auto insurance does with claims? I wonder why the homeowners insurance provider should be bothered at all with the cleanup.
 
2009-09-11 11:17:23 AM  
there, fine, Lou, work, police, etc...
 
2009-09-11 11:18:32 AM  
ticklebooth.com

Nine... ELEVEN!

/hot as Lois
 
2009-09-11 11:21:29 AM  
Ah, just another Griswold family Christmas.
 
2009-09-11 11:25:43 AM  

betelgeux: FTFA Spinetti said state police have promised him they will cover any costs of the cleanup that are not being covered by his insurance company.

I don't know much about homeowners insurance but do they up your rates the same way auto insurance does with claims? I wonder why the homeowners insurance provider should be bothered at all with the cleanup.


When the kid across the hall burn down 12 condos our insurance paid and then they sued. Paying gives the insurer standing to sue to cover damages. My rates did not go up becasue it is based on risk and the chances of another bored kid with matches or directionally challenge troopers is the same.
 
2009-09-11 11:29:02 AM  

kittyhas1000legs: there, fine, Lou, work, police, etc...


Very well put.
 
2009-09-11 11:29:57 AM  

gunsmack: kittyhas1000legs: there, fine, Lou, work, police, etc...

Very well put.


I think you meant put well very.
 
2009-09-11 11:33:22 AM  
They fire teargas into the WRONG goddamn house, and their offer is to pay whatever his home insurance doesn't cover? WTF?! If a builder was supposed to knock a house down (ie., he had a legitimate reason for doing so, just like the cops had a legit reason for teargassing a house) and he knocked the wrong farking house down, do seriously think anyone would expect for the home owner's insurance to cover it? Do you think the builder would have the balls to even suggest this?

And then - considering how they teargassed the wrong house, how competent do you think their actions were, when they killed the neighbor?

Cops...
 
2009-09-11 11:35:51 AM  

Ding Dong Seven:

And then - considering how they teargassed the wrong house, how competent do you think their actions were, when they killed the neighbor?

Hell killing the neighbor seems like the only thing they did right

 
2009-09-11 11:37:26 AM  
How is this possible during a standoff? When I think of a standoff, I picture lots of cops surrounding the house. How does the moron with the tear gas decide to shoot the house across the street? Have they checked his eyesight? How would you like that guy protecting your behind during a raid?
 
2009-09-11 11:38:33 AM  

Ding Dong Seven: They fire teargas into the WRONG goddamn house, and their offer is to pay whatever his home insurance doesn't cover? WTF?! If a builder was supposed to knock a house down (ie., he had a legitimate reason for doing so, just like the cops had a legit reason for teargassing a house) and he knocked the wrong farking house down, do seriously think anyone would expect for the home owner's insurance to cover it? Do you think the builder would have the balls to even suggest this?

And then - considering how they teargassed the wrong house, how competent do you think their actions were, when they killed the neighbor?

Cops...


If I was that guy?
"Yeah, you will pay that. And quite a bit more, actually. I'm feeling a touch of the post-traumatic stress disorder coming on. I just don't feel safe in my own home any more, you know? And won't someone think of my children?"
 
2009-09-11 11:41:17 AM  
Ooh, another haters vs fellaters thread!
 
2009-09-11 11:45:43 AM  
Is it really that hard to check the address? As luck would have it, it's written somewhere on the house! And as an added bonus, it's sometimes written on the sidewalk and mailbox too!
 
2009-09-11 11:47:34 AM  

Cheron: betelgeux: FTFA Spinetti said state police have promised him they will cover any costs of the cleanup that are not being covered by his insurance company.

I don't know much about homeowners insurance but do they up your rates the same way auto insurance does with claims? I wonder why the homeowners insurance provider should be bothered at all with the cleanup.

When the kid across the hall burn down 12 condos our insurance paid and then they sued. Paying gives the insurer standing to sue to cover damages.


This is what will happen here. The homeowner's insurance will pay to fix the damages, then they'll file a claim with the city's insurer.

In this case, I doubt they'll have to sue. The city's insurer will simply pony up the costs to make the homeowner's insurer whole. His rates shouldn't be impacted at all.
 
2009-09-11 11:51:33 AM  

MorseCodeNowInHiDef: Ooh, another haters vs fellaters thread!


I'd love to see some fellaters defend this....

"Well you little criminals jsut have no idea how stressful a stand off is!! It's hard to stand for that long after a 25 years of sitting on my ass, smoking confiscated weed, and eating a minimum of 12 donuts every day. I can totally understand how they gassed the neighbor's house. Besides the neighbor was probably involved anyway.... The-pull-a-number-out-of-my-ass dept statistics show neighbors are involved in crimes 73.67% of the time, and that's a risk I wouldn't take. In fact I would've raided the neighbor house and shot the parents, both the kids and the dog just to make sure. Damn dirty criminals!!!"
 
2009-09-11 11:52:50 AM  

tortilla burger: Is it really that hard to check the address? As luck would have it, it's written somewhere on the house! And as an added bonus, it's sometimes written on the sidewalk and mailbox too!


They'd have to be able to read first....
 
2009-09-11 11:55:45 AM  
I wanted to become - but I decided to graduate from high school instead
 
2009-09-11 12:02:47 PM  

SaintAnky: They said they would cover his deductible or whatever the insurance company doesn't pay.

IMHO that is screwed up. Now the homeowner's rates are going to rise because of police negligence. He should not have to submit this to his insurer. I call shenanigans.


That's what I came here to say. The homeowner shouldn't even have to file a claim. Hopefully the insurance company denies this claim and tells the cops to pay the whole damn thing.
 
2009-09-11 12:06:51 PM  

tortilla burger: Is it really that hard to check the address? As luck would have it, it's written somewhere on the house! And as an added bonus, it's sometimes written on the sidewalk and mailbox too!


You've obviously never been to my hometown. No sidewalks, lots of houses have no numbers on them, and the mailboxes are on only one side of the street (sometimes in bunches). Could make it pretty hard to tell which is which.

Of course, the town has no police, so the state troopers from a few towns over might not know which house to raid.

/not like a situation like that is likely there
 
2009-09-11 12:35:10 PM  
Why should his insurance pay for it and the cops pik up the rest?

Insurance should be for things YOU eff up, or you cant find out who did it. Someone else effing your shiat up should pay.

Maybe that state is different.
 
2009-09-11 12:39:14 PM  
So they evacuated the neighborhood, had a stand off lasting hours... and were pointing at the wrong house? wow...
 
2009-09-11 12:40:18 PM  

aegis: How is this possible during a standoff? When I think of a standoff, I picture lots of cops surrounding the house. How does the moron with the tear gas decide to shoot the house across the street? Have they checked his eyesight? How would you like that guy protecting your behind during a raid?


I picture Police Academy.
 
2009-09-11 12:41:30 PM  
Why bother making sure? Are you implying there will consequences?

(Besides paid time off, I mean.)
 
2009-09-11 12:47:20 PM  
...because I shoot back.
 
2009-09-11 12:47:26 PM  

kittyhas1000legs: tortilla burger: Is it really that hard to check the address? As luck would have it, it's written somewhere on the house! And as an added bonus, it's sometimes written on the sidewalk and mailbox too!

You've obviously never been to my hometown. No sidewalks, lots of houses have no numbers on them, and the mailboxes are on only one side of the street (sometimes in bunches). Could make it pretty hard to tell which is which.

Of course, the town has no police, so the state troopers from a few towns over might not know which house to raid.

/not like a situation like that is likely there


With such quality residents, it could also easily be a duplex and they just dumped the teargas in the first available window... into the neighboring unit.
 
2009-09-11 01:23:27 PM  
Spinetti said state police have promised him they will cover any costs of the cleanup that are not being covered by his insurance company.


So the fascists in blue shirts want the homeowner they illegally targeted to pay for the damage they did?!?

Fark that. Hope they DIAF.
 
2009-09-11 01:30:21 PM  
Spinetti said state police have promised him they will cover any costs of the cleanup that are not being covered by his insurance company.

Nope, the homeowner's carrier will pay at least to the policy limits and then the carrier's subrogation unit will file against the city for the total amount the carrier has paid, plus the homeowner's deductible and any incidental expense the carrier had in handling this claim.

Short answer: the city is going to pay the whole bill, one way or the other.

/20+ years in insurance claims
//working subrogation is fun
 
2009-09-11 01:32:02 PM  

Aulus: Nope, the homeowner's carrier will pay at least to the policy limits and then the carrier's subrogation unit will file against the city for the total amount the carrier has paid, plus the homeowner's deductible and any incidental expense the carrier had in handling this claim.

Short answer: the city is going to pay the whole bill, one way or the other.

/20+ years in insurance claims
//working subrogation is fun


This is 100% accurate.

/I assuming you aren't lying about the 20+ years in claims.
 
2009-09-11 01:34:27 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: ...because I shoot back.


What you did there, I see'd it.
Just don't shoot into the wrong police department.
 
2009-09-11 01:43:49 PM  

J.Garcia'sRightMiddleFinger: Aulus: Nope, the homeowner's carrier will pay at least to the policy limits and then the carrier's subrogation unit will file against the city for the total amount the carrier has paid, plus the homeowner's deductible and any incidental expense the carrier had in handling this claim.

Short answer: the city is going to pay the whole bill, one way or the other.

/20+ years in insurance claims
//working subrogation is fun

This is 100% accurate.

/I assuming you aren't lying about the 20+ years in claims.


Maybe things are handled differently where you people are, but when my house was flooded with raw sewage recently, the city handled every aspect of the cleanup and repair. The contracted out the job directly to a company that handles that type of disaster, and my insurance company never got involved.
 
2009-09-11 01:45:56 PM  
Well at least they shot the right guy... didn't they?
 
2009-09-11 02:19:33 PM  

SaintAnky: They said they would cover his deductible or whatever the insurance company doesn't pay.

IMHO that is screwed up. Now the homeowner's rates are going to rise because of police negligence. He should not have to submit this to his insurer. I call shenanigans.


Damn right they should be paying for every cent of it, plus some 'sorry for being completely incompetent dickbags' money because of what they put this completely innocent homeowner through.

He shouldn't be on the hook for one farking cent, and they should be putting him up in a very nice hotel until his house is fixed, as well!

The right thing to do, after your department so royally farks up, is to make amends. Not tell the homeowner to have his insurance company send a bill.
 
2009-09-11 02:57:23 PM  

GoatEwHelenWate: SaintAnky: They said they would cover his deductible or whatever the insurance company doesn't pay.

IMHO that is screwed up. Now the homeowner's rates are going to rise because of police negligence. He should not have to submit this to his insurer. I call shenanigans.

Damn right they should be paying for every cent of it, plus some 'sorry for being completely incompetent dickbags' money because of what they put this completely innocent homeowner through.

He shouldn't be on the hook for one farking cent, and they should be putting him up in a very nice hotel until his house is fixed, as well!

The right thing to do, after your department so royally farks up, is to make amends. Not tell the homeowner to have his insurance company send a bill.


No, see, if the cops admit to wrongdoing in this, then there'll be mountains of paperwork apologizing for all the unnecessary tazings and no-knock warrants resulting in the deaths of old ladies and stuff like that.

I've never heard the police actually apologize for anything that didn't involve one of them getting fired/jailed. You need a fall guy, and as they're apparently not gonna sack the moron who fired the shot, they CAN'T apologize.
 
2009-09-11 03:29:58 PM  

singmetosleep: GoatEwHelenWate: SaintAnky: They said they would cover his deductible or whatever the insurance company doesn't pay.

IMHO that is screwed up. Now the homeowner's rates are going to rise because of police negligence. He should not have to submit this to his insurer. I call shenanigans.

Damn right they should be paying for every cent of it, plus some 'sorry for being completely incompetent dickbags' money because of what they put this completely innocent homeowner through.

He shouldn't be on the hook for one farking cent, and they should be putting him up in a very nice hotel until his house is fixed, as well!

The right thing to do, after your department so royally farks up, is to make amends. Not tell the homeowner to have his insurance company send a bill.

No, see, if the cops admit to wrongdoing in this, then there'll be mountains of paperwork apologizing for all the unnecessary tazings and no-knock warrants resulting in the deaths of old ladies and stuff like that.

I've never heard the police actually apologize for anything that didn't involve one of them getting fired/jailed. You need a fall guy, and as they're apparently not gonna sack the moron who fired the shot, they CAN'T apologize.


This is why I don't cry when cops die.
 
2009-09-11 04:02:03 PM  

Prof.Xomox: Well at least they shot the right guy... didn't they?


Maybe Drew was testing a phone number spoofing service w/911 and tried that guy's number at random.

It worked. Twice. (number spoofed and the house across the street)

Prove it DIDN'T happen that way...
 
2009-09-11 04:33:57 PM  
I came in wondering if anybody would remind us of this incident:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruben_Salazar
 
2009-09-11 06:55:31 PM  

Gyrfalcon: EdNortonsTwin: ...because I shoot back.

What you did there, I see'd it.
Just don't shoot into the wrong police department.


According to FARK ITGs, it wouldn't matter because all police departments are corrupt, etc etc etc.

/On the other hand, one small-university-town-in-south-central-missouri has a special place in hell waiting for it's members.
 
2009-09-11 07:48:59 PM  

AgnosticAngles: I wanted to become - but I decided to graduate from high school instead


I accidentally wanted to become the whole thing.
 
2009-09-11 07:55:55 PM  

GoatEwHelenWate: No, see, if the cops admit to wrongdoing in this, then there'll be mountains of paperwork apologizing for all the unnecessary tazings and no-knock warrants resulting in the deaths of old ladies and stuff like that.

I've never heard the police actually apologize for anything that didn't involve one of them getting fired/jailed. You need a fall guy, and as they're apparently not gonna sack the moron who fired the shot, they CAN'T apologize.

This is why I don't cry when cops die.


Whoa there, buddy. Let's not go that far. I dislike police as a rule, but I don't want them to die. Well, not as a group. There are a few that could use a little of their own medicine.
 
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