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2009-09-10 01:33:48 AM
All Austria has to do to solve their gas/energy crisis is build enough hamster wheels
 
2009-09-10 01:47:59 AM
Slartibartfaster: MrCrane: generate electricity

you know how smelting is done right ?


Yes I do, and I also know that many of the generators used by the smelting plants are not part of the main electricity grid, and are not coal-fired.
 
2009-09-10 01:58:58 AM
MrCrane: Yes I do, and I also know that many of the generators used by the smelting plants are not part of the main electricity grid, and are not coal-fired.

Nice, quick cover-up. Yes, those off-the-main-grid smelting plants in Oz use kangaroo wheels, which are like hamster wheels, only bigger.
 
2009-09-10 02:00:49 AM
DON.MAC: The local union labor party party just hired a Spanish company to build a huge desalination plant that will cost at least 10 times what the one in Spain cost but will produce nearly twice as much water.

Well shiat, why didn't they just build two of the cheap spanish ones. Saves eight times the money!
 
2009-09-10 02:02:29 AM
oldebayer: MrCrane: Yes I do, and I also know that many of the generators used by the smelting plants are not part of the main electricity grid, and are not coal-fired.

Nice, quick cover-up. Yes, those off-the-main-grid smelting plants in Oz use kangaroo wheels, which are like hamster wheels, only bigger.


Only out here we call them "diesel generators". Damn, you caught my "cover-up", you clever person.
 
2009-09-10 02:11:28 AM
WeenerGord: DON.MAC: The local union labor party party just hired a Spanish company to build a huge desalination plant that will cost at least 10 times what the one in Spain cost but will produce nearly twice as much water.

Well shiat, why didn't they just build two of the cheap spanish ones. Saves eight times the money!


How would the unions get paid then?
 
2009-09-10 02:11:29 AM
Once I felt a pang of guilt for consuming at the rate of 30 Chinese people, but then I realized, hey, what the hell, there are 30 Chinese people for every one of me. And then I was comfortable again.
 
2009-09-10 02:35:32 AM
Killerclaw: Taleya: Most likely due to the fact we run mostly off coal or hydro. There's no nuclear, most of the country is on coal, and it's pretty dirty emission-wise.

That and the farking summers down here make aircon a necessity.

Why we don't just stuff a shiatload of solar panels in central australia is beyond me. There's fark-all there but camels and dingo shiat.

/Or we can turn NT into a giant solar farm
//No one will miss it.

The issue is the degradation of power over distance. Unless you are using sensitive and expensive super-cooled superconductors you lose power as it travels through the lines.


The issue is one of cost. Mostly plant cost. HVDC can transmit power over long distances with relatively low losses.
 
2009-09-10 02:37:43 AM
DON.MAC: WeenerGord: DON.MAC: The local union labor party party just hired a Spanish company to build a huge desalination plant that will cost at least 10 times what the one in Spain cost but will produce nearly twice as much water.

Well shiat, why didn't they just build two of the cheap spanish ones. Saves eight times the money!

How would the unions get paid then?



With a pat on the ass, a kiss on the cheek, and a big gold star, right in the middle of their forehead.

/"Fark your sales unions. We've got to protect the public!"
 
2009-09-10 02:49:54 AM
twotowner: msheda: Barakku: davidphogan:
It's a joke

There's always 1 or 2 that miss it when you do this. Usually the ones that just traded in their C-64's to get on the net.

Never! Now if you'll excuse me, I'm waiting for my 1200 baud modem to load the images to this forum. I hear Hitler is in one of them.


remember slow loading porn? I was finished when it looked like a Monet
 
2009-09-10 02:56:42 AM
MrCrane: Yes I do, and I also know that many of the generators used by the smelting plants are not part of the main electricity grid, and are not coal-fired

Sorry

Maybe Comalco annoyed me, and I projected a little
(hydro powered, on the grid, wrong country, where I am from, sorry for the projecting)
 
2009-09-10 03:10:22 AM
The US was the highest? Australia is now the highest?

Here's the 2003 numbers:

# 1 Qatar: 40.6735 per 1,000 people
# 2 United Arab Emirates: 28.213 per 1,000 people
# 3 Kuwait: 25.0499 per 1,000 people
# 4 Bahrain: 20.0253 per 1,000 people
# 5 United States: 19.4839 per 1,000 people
# 6 Luxembourg: 17.977 per 1,000 people
# 7 Trinidad and Tobago: 16.8278 per 1,000 people
# 8 Australia: 16.5444 per 1,000 people
# 9 Canada: 15.8941 per 1,000 people
# 10 Singapore: 13.8137 per 1,000 people
# 11 Czech Republic: 12.115 per 1,000 people
# 12 Belgium: 12.0632 per 1,000 people
# 13 Palau: 11.9096 per 1,000 people
# 14 Estonia: 11.1657 per 1,000 people
# 15 Finland: 10.8403 per 1,000 people
# 16 Russia: 10.7402 per 1,000 people
# 17 Ireland: 10.6612 per 1,000 people
# 18 Netherlands: 10.6545 per 1,000 people
# 19 Nauru: 10.3924 per 1,000 people
# 20 Germany: 10.1591 per 1,000 people

It's obvious they've shifted a bit in more recent years, but I doubt Qatar has improved that much.
 
2009-09-10 03:27:31 AM
redmid17: global wombats: You think it is easy running a first-world economy the size of the continental US or Western Europe with only 20 million people?

Of-course we need to burn the oil and coal, if only just to produce enough vegemite for everyone.

Let alone the beer.

Why won't people think of the beer?

If it makes you feel any better, New York state and Texas have bigger economies, but their beer is much worse.


Now those are just fightin' words! Actually... I probably wouldn't know. I've never had REAL Australian beer, but NY has a handful of good regional breweries, and Texas has Shiner.

If you badmouth Blue Bell ice cream, then we might have issues.
 
2009-09-10 04:03:09 AM
bhcompy: The US was the highest? Australia is now the highest?

...

It's obvious they've shifted a bit in more recent years, but I doubt Qatar has improved that much.


I wouldnt be surprised at all if the reported figures improved that much.
 
2009-09-10 04:15:26 AM
Not sure about this particular one, but some of these studies include the CO2 generated by bushfires, which again pushes Australia up. Strikes me as completely ridiculous. If you're going to include bushfires, why not volcanos?
 
2009-09-10 05:08:12 AM
sp0rk_of_psychosis: Once I felt a pang of guilt for consuming at the rate of 30 Chinese people, but then I realized, hey, what the hell, there are 30 Chinese people for every one of me. And then I was comfortable again.

Ha! Its over 60 Chinese to each Aussie, so if they are doing their 4.5 tonnes to my 20.58 well im ahead by 249.42 tonnes of CO2 every year.

Not to mention 80% of the population in China makes less than the average wage for a Chinese citizen and thus can fairly safely assumed to not be driving cars, running aircon etc. It becomes truely terrifying when you realise just how much crap they are pumping out per head of population.

Or alternatively think of it in per square km of land.
Oz - 59 tonnes per sq/km
China - 595.

Anyone who thinks its a good idea that we meet in a middle ground where we halve our emissions and they double theirs cant do basic math.

Because if Australia drops its emmissions to 226 million tonnes (50%) a year its not going to make a blind bit of difference to the global environment if China is then allowed to pump out 11.7 BILLION tonnes a year.
 
2009-09-10 06:51:43 AM
Could this have anything to do with the fact that the relationship between CO2 emissions and population isn't linear??


/Just sayin'
 
2009-09-10 08:40:34 AM
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2009-09-10 08:55:34 AM
At least Australia gave us great men like Mozart and Freud.
 
2009-09-10 09:14:02 AM
And here I am wasting all this CO2. Who knew it had uses?
 
2009-09-10 10:32:20 AM
thisispete: skinink: If the England Cricket team is lucky, the CO2 will kill off the Aussie Cricket team before England has to play them again.

But Australia doesn't have the Ashes, so clearly they have reduced their carbon emissions.


Zing!!!

/Wasted on Farkers
 
2009-09-10 11:05:52 AM
dallylamma: davidphogan: Austria and Australia are the same country now?

I remember my first day on FARK.


I didn't realise there were comments on Fark for almost a year. I just came here for news links.
 
2009-09-10 11:15:17 AM
 
2009-09-10 12:44:10 PM
Fark, I love you.
 
2009-09-10 01:15:31 PM
Juan's a jolly swagman.
 
2009-09-10 01:16:09 PM
MrGronk Taleya: The farking summers down here make aircon a necessity.

Australians got on fine without aircon for 40,000 years ...

it's just the white ones that are wimps


Actually, I visited Australia once in July, it was actually kind of chilly, I don't know why you guys complain about the hot summers. (J.K.) But seriously, I sometimes wonder if people who lived in extremely hot climates (Australia, Arizona, etc.) before A/C had some sort of genetic adaptation, or can anyone "get used to it" over time.
 
2009-09-10 02:35:19 PM
Ringtailed79: dallylamma: davidphogan: Austria and Australia are the same country now?

I remember my first day on FARK.

I didn't realise there were comments on Fark for almost a year. I just came here for news links.


shoulda quit while ahead
 
2009-09-10 04:18:59 PM
davidphogan: Barakku: It's a joke

It's a pretty stupid one then.


Naw, just you.
 
2009-09-10 05:18:52 PM
LMark: MrGronk Taleya: The farking summers down here make aircon a necessity.

Australians got on fine without aircon for 40,000 years ...

it's just the white ones that are wimps

Actually, I visited Australia once in July, it was actually kind of chilly, I don't know why you guys complain about the hot summers. (J.K.) But seriously, I sometimes wonder if people who lived in extremely hot climates (Australia, Arizona, etc.) before A/C had some sort of genetic adaptation, or can anyone "get used to it" over time.


Australians are (like most spoiled people in developed countries) weather weenies. Basically it doesn't matter how little discomfort there is. As soon as there is ANY heat or cold discomfort, people feel entitled to NOT experience that discomfort. Then since it becomes a topic of conversation, it makes it seem like it's very hot or cold, when by world standards it's a joke.

When it comes to the cold, my litmus test is this: "is there ice and snow lying around outside?" No? Then it's not cold. Grow a pair.
 
2009-09-10 10:42:14 PM
MrGronk

Australians got on fine without aircon for 40,000 years ...

it's just the white ones that are wimps


They also had this thing called "rainforests" that we happily chomped down, didn't smother everything in concrete, and didn't have what is widely recognised as the most vicious summer on record year after year.

//You know you're farked when the aboriginals are going "farking hell it's hot"
 
2009-09-10 11:30:56 PM
Melgania: "is there ice and snow lying around outside?" No? Then it's not cold. Grow a pair.


There was shrinkage!
 
2009-09-11 12:03:24 AM
LMark

Actually, I visited Australia once in July, it was actually kind of chilly, I don't know why you guys complain about the hot summers. (J.K.) But seriously, I sometimes wonder if people who lived in extremely hot climates (Australia, Arizona, etc.) before A/C had some sort of genetic adaptation, or can anyone "get used to it" over time.

You can adapt, but then again I live in Melbourne - the temperatures in Victoria in a given year range from -8c to 49c.

It's fun.
 
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