Do you have adblock enabled?
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(The Food Section)   Apparently vegetarians have meatmares, and vegans have dairymares. Subby has vegmares about having to be around these people   (thefoodsection.com) divider line 389
    More: Asinine, vegans, online forums, dairy, max, nouns, Baskin Robbins, chocolate chips, anxiety  
•       •       •

7167 clicks; posted to Main » on 09 Sep 2009 at 4:47 PM (5 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



389 Comments   (+0 »)
   

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | » | Last | Show all
 
2009-09-09 01:58:14 PM  
As a former vegetarian (7+ years) who just abandoned the diet a few weeks back, this is the most retarded thing I've ever read. Farking nancies.

/glad to be back on the meat side
//no bacon though, not yet at least
 
2009-09-09 02:01:52 PM  
I thought that was just a Simpson's joke
 
2009-09-09 02:03:45 PM  
-1. Hate thread. Subby, stop obsessing about what other people aren't eating.

--

It's true for me. After the switch (17 Nov 93), i had meatmares. i get them once or twice a year now. They leave me feeling quite sickened.

Oh wait, we have to bash people who care about anyone/thing other than themselves.

Um... bacon! No it's... Mmm bacon! For every woman you don't rape, i'll rape three! Gay retard liberals stealing from the productive! Am i doing this right?
 
2009-09-09 02:03:47 PM  
Another member described a meatmare that involved gorging on bacon:
"I had one a few weeks ago. I was on like a hotel balcony just stuffing bacon in my mouth. I could hear my concious mind telling me not to eat it, that it was bad for me. I also remember my brother in the dream yelling at me from below not to eat it. I made myself wake up and was so happy it was only a dream.
"


God, I wish my dreams were like that.
 
2009-09-09 02:04:15 PM  
"meatmare" sounds like some sort of D&D monster.
www.knowledgerush.com
 
2009-09-09 02:08:26 PM  
I'm having a sobriety-mare right now!
 
2009-09-09 02:26:32 PM  
Do you know why this is? Because your body was made to eat meat, and it craves meat. You idiots. Claiming to be for nature while going against it is stupid.
 
2009-09-09 02:28:04 PM  
apeiron242: Oh wait, we have to bash people who care about anyone/thing other than themselves.

No, but I will continue to bash people who are so holier than thou about their food choices that they honestly think that people who make different choices than they do are uncaring troglodytes.
 
2009-09-09 02:31:41 PM  
cameroncrazy1984: Do you know why this is? Because your body was made to eat meat, and it craves meat. You idiots. Claiming to be for nature while going against it is stupid.


I'm a serious carnivore, but this isn't a very good argument.

From a nutritional perspective, meat is not a necessary component of our diet at all. Nor was it a major component in the diet of our ancestors. It's certainly not necessary to eat anywhere near as much of it as the average American does.
 
2009-09-09 02:40:49 PM  
FloydA: Nor was it a major component in the diet of our ancestors.

I'm not a nutritional anthropologist, but I'd be willing to bet that meat was the only source of protein for at least 99% of humanity's existence on this great green Earth.
 
2009-09-09 02:42:57 PM  
I've been a vegetarian for 13 years now, mainly because I've never liked meat. I've never had a meatmare, although in real life I've accidentally eaten mean a couple times. It wasn't too traumatizing, though.
 
2009-09-09 02:52:25 PM  
Dairy mares? All things considered, you'd be better off with cows. They are easier to milk.

Meat mares? Hard to find a butcher that handles horses any more. Except in the Munich Viktualienmarkt.
 
2009-09-09 02:54:43 PM  
sweetmelissa31: I've been a vegetarian for 13 years now, mainly because I've never liked meat.

And I doubt any of us have any problem with that. I don't like onions, I hate the way they taste. So I don't eat them. You don't like meat, you don't eat it. Yay.

The problem is when some vegetarians/vegans start screeching about how meat is murder, and how us unenlightened people are oh-so-cruel. That's when the mockery arrives.

And the obligatory image: farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2009-09-09 02:58:21 PM  
pandabear: Hard to find a butcher that handles horses any more. Except in the Munich Viktualienmarkt.

Apparently it's fairly common in Italy too.
 
2009-09-09 03:05:08 PM  
Enrico Pallazzo: As a former vegetarian (7+ years) who just abandoned the diet a few weeks back, this is the most retarded thing I've ever read. Farking nancies.

/glad to be back on the meat side
//no bacon though, not yet at least


Enrico this is not directed at you, I just need to say it.

Ex-vegetarians remind me of ex-smokers. I get it, you feel superior as you have been both a smoker vegetarian and a non-smoker meat-eater. It improved your life. Shut the fark up.
 
2009-09-09 03:08:32 PM  
i586.photobucket.com
 
2009-09-09 03:09:23 PM  
Drathus: FloydA: Nor was it a major component in the diet of our ancestors.

I'm not a nutritional anthropologist, but I'd be willing to bet that meat was the only source of protein for at least 99% of humanity's existence on this great green Earth.


Jared Diamond spends quite a few chapters demonstrating how this was not the case in Guns, Germs and Steel (new window).
 
2009-09-09 03:18:05 PM  
Drathus: FloydA: Nor was it a major component in the diet of our ancestors.

I'm not a nutritional anthropologist, but I'd be willing to bet that meat was the only source of protein for at least 99% of humanity's existence on this great green Earth.



The only source? Most decidedly not! meat has never been the only source of proteins in our diet. In fact, until the origin of the genus Homo, insects, nuts and seeds were far more significant sources of protein, and they remain very significant sources today.

Meat proteins only became a significant part of our diet after the development of Omo/Oldowan tools, maybe 2MYA, and even then, it was mainly late-scavenged scraps left over from carnivore kills until around 1.8MYA or later.

So for I'd estimate 3/5 of hominin history, insects were actually a more important protein source than meat, and plant proteins even more than insects.

After around ~1.2 MYA, early scavenging started to become very common, once hominins were large enough/intimidating enough to chase away predators and early scavengers or clever enough to steal their kills.

Regular hunting is even more recent than that, probably not a lot earlier than around 500,000 years or so.

So it's really only in the past 1/10 of the existence of the hominin clade that reliable sources of meat protein were available. And even then, although meat provides a dense concentration of protein, it doesn't provide the bulk of amino acids in our diet (except for a few high-arctic societies).

I don't have all my references handy, but IIRC, Eaton and Connor (1985) estimated that even in the late Upper paleolithic (modern humans, the period in human history when hunting was most important to our diet) still got nearly 1/3 of all of their protein from plant foods- and this is the period when they lived in conditions similar to the lower arctic and nearctic and there were mammoths and giant bison in their diet!

So yeah, I suspect that the importance of meat in the diet of our ancestors has probably been over-estimated.


(Neandertals are a different issue- looks like their diet was much more meat-rich than Cro-Magnon's diet. They seem to be the carnivore-specialized exception to the otherwise plant-biased generalist hominin diet.)
 
2009-09-09 03:23:20 PM  
cameroncrazy1984: Do you know why this is? Because your body was made to eat meat, and it craves meat. You idiots. Claiming to be for nature while going against it is stupid.

My body does not crave meat, and it apparently doesn't even need it, as I am perfectly healthy. I don't care what anyone else eats, and I don't need to be told that I'm going against nature.
 
2009-09-09 03:24:16 PM  
pandabear:

Meat mares? Hard to find a butcher that handles horses any more. Except in the Munich Viktualienmarkt.


Basashi is a very common item on the menu of snack places in Japan. Horse meat is also popular in Indonesia and Mongolia.
 
2009-09-09 03:24:41 PM  
FloydA: The only source? Most decidedly not!

See, I said I wasn't an anthropologist. =P I would have lost the bet, but hey, I's learnin. =P
 
2009-09-09 03:26:04 PM  
FloydA: insects

However this does raise the question of the definition of "meat." If you define it as tissue from a living organism would insects count? Or does the definition need to be specifically muscular tissue of vertibrates? =P
 
2009-09-09 03:28:46 PM  
Drathus:

See, I said I wasn't an anthropologist. =P I would have lost the bet, but hey, I's learnin. =P


Hah ha. No worries.

[Click]

You've met Lewis Black. Therefore, you win anyway. ;-)
 
2009-09-09 03:33:13 PM  
FloydA: You've met Lewis Black. Therefore, you win anyway. ;-)

Hehe, for several years in a row I got to hang out back stage with him at Summerfest. It got to the point where he'd always start out saying how he couldn't remember my name, but that he recognized me.

Then at a show here in town after waiting in line after the show he yelled as us for waiting and said we should have just walked up front to the table right away. =P

Lew is cool. =P

/threadjack
 
2009-09-09 03:37:23 PM  
sweetmelissa31: My body does not crave meat, and it apparently doesn't even need it, as I am perfectly healthy

i66.photobucket.com

We taught a lion to eat tofu.
 
2009-09-09 03:38:33 PM  
Drathus: FloydA: insects

However this does raise the question of the definition of "meat." If you define it as tissue from a living organism would insects count? Or does the definition need to be specifically muscular tissue of vertibrates? =P


Yeah, good catch. I actually struggled with how to phrase that. Technically, Kingdom Animalia = "animals," so insect larvae = meat.

It's not what most people think about when they think about meat though. (Unless they're really messed up in the head.)
 
2009-09-09 03:40:05 PM  
Drathus: However this does raise the question of the definition of "meat." If you define it as tissue from a living organism would insects count? Or does the definition need to be specifically muscular tissue of vertibrates? =P

I would say that insects fall into the same category as either invertebrates like crustaceans. Lots of people eat shrimp or crab or lobster. Insects are similar.

Really, it depends upon why you're a vegetarian. Many vegetarians do it because they don't want to cause harm to another living being. In which case, eating crustaceans or insects would be wrong.

Others might say that insects or crustaceans can't feel pain (as opposed to most vertebrates), so they're OK to eat.
 
2009-09-09 03:40:22 PM  
Drathus:

Lew is cool. =P

/threadjack



I figured he had to me. Thanks. Beer-time now.
/threadjack.
 
2009-09-09 03:41:09 PM  
Perfectly normal for anything that you once did and then quit. Once upon a time I smoked, and still years later I will occasionally have dreams where someone hands me a cigarette, I light up, and halfway through I go OMGWTFBBQ I DON'T SMOKE ANYMORE! And I wake up. So I guess that's a "smokemare."
 
2009-09-09 03:45:28 PM  
shivashakti:
Really, it depends upon why you're a vegetarian. Many vegetarians do it because they don't want to cause harm to another living being. In which case, eating crustaceans or insects would be wrong.



Some people make that argument, but it employs a rather idiosyncratic definition of "living." Plants are also alive.

(One can correctly argue that a vegetarian diet causes less harm over all, but not that it causes no harm.)
 
2009-09-09 03:45:36 PM  
sweetmelissa31: cameroncrazy1984: Do you know why this is? Because your body was made to eat meat, and it craves meat. You idiots. Claiming to be for nature while going against it is stupid.

My body does not crave meat, and it apparently doesn't even need it, as I am perfectly healthy. I don't care what anyone else eats, and I don't need to be told that I'm going against nature.


Why? What's the insult of going against nature?

I get vaccines; not very natural.
I drink pasteurized milk.
I use antibiotics and engineer chemicals when useful.
I drive a car, work on a computer, listen to an ipod, etc., etc.

Virtually the entire human experience is "unnatural" in the sense that it exists only because we've created it. Any sense in which it's unnatural (or against nature) to be vegetarian would also apply to every other aspect of our lives.

I find vegetarianism a bizarre and inscrutable philosophy, but I don't think it's wrong or immoral or anything. It's just something I completely fail to connect with, like romance novels or the lesser fiction of John Cheever.
 
2009-09-09 03:55:17 PM  
"Hey, I don't wear plaid pants! I want to let everyone know that I don't wear plaid pants! I'm a member of the No Plaid Pants club! This makes me a morally superior person! All you people who wear plaid pants are horrible! Plaid pants kill Mother Nature! Plaid pants are cruel!"

Yeah, replacing "meat" with "plaid pants" kinda underscores the idiocy of strongly identifying with NOT doing something, not to mention how douchey a lot of veggie-murderers are. Kinda like those "straight-edge" kids who pride themselves on NOT drinking beer or smoking weed (this usually changes around their 21st birthday). Any non-addict can avoid ingesting something, it's hardly a matter of pride. I pride myself on the things I actually DO.

And as for the health benefits of meat, where else you gonna find a natural supply of Vitamin B12? And no, "the drugstore" doesn't count as natural.

/sister is a vegetarian
//I modify my burger recipe to use soy-based meat substitutes when she's in town
///she LOVES 'em!
////we can all get along if certain people get off their gorram high horse
 
2009-09-09 04:00:40 PM  
Saborlas: "Hey, I don't wear plaid pants! I want to let everyone know that I don't wear plaid pants! I'm a member of the No Plaid Pants club! This makes me a morally superior person! All you people who wear plaid pants are horrible! Plaid pants kill Mother Nature! Plaid pants are cruel!"

Yeah, replacing "meat" with "plaid pants" kinda underscores the idiocy of strongly identifying with NOT doing something, not to mention how douchey a lot of veggie-murderers are. Kinda like those "straight-edge" kids who pride themselves on NOT drinking beer or smoking weed (this usually changes around their 21st birthday). Any non-addict can avoid ingesting something, it's hardly a matter of pride. I pride myself on the things I actually DO.

And as for the health benefits of meat, where else you gonna find a natural supply of Vitamin B12? And no, "the drugstore" doesn't count as natural.


So... you're proud of NOT being a vegetarian?
 
2009-09-09 04:14:36 PM  
sweetmelissa31: So... you're proud of NOT being a vegetarian?

No, I'm proud that my awesome burger recipe can be adapted to please a vegetarian.
 
2009-09-09 04:16:23 PM  
Saborlas:
And as for the health benefits of meat, where else you gonna find a natural supply of Vitamin B12? And no, "the drugstore" doesn't count as natural.


Milk?

/not a vegan
 
2009-09-09 04:20:51 PM  
Do vegans swallow?
 
2009-09-09 04:22:56 PM  
caid-bp7: Milk?

BING-BONG!

WINNER WINNER SOY-BASED DINNER!
 
2009-09-09 04:27:59 PM  
The Icelander: Do vegans swallow?

My last girlfriend said yes, as she wasn't taking it without asking. Apparently this was the reason that she didn't eat honey. If she could ask the bees if she could have some and they said yes it would be fine to eat it.
 
2009-09-09 04:32:28 PM  
caid-bp7: If she could ask the bees if she could have some and they said yes it would be fine to eat it.

I would be much more concerned about the talking bee element of that exchange than the honey theft element.
 
2009-09-09 04:41:26 PM  
mofroe: caid-bp7: If she could ask the bees if she could have some and they said yes it would be fine to eat it.

I would be much more concerned about the talking bee element of that exchange than the honey theft element.


If the bees become sentient to the point they can grant permission for honey harvesting, then we have much bigger problems than our dietary choices.
 
2009-09-09 04:45:50 PM  
50mm: mofroe: caid-bp7: If she could ask the bees if she could have some and they said yes it would be fine to eat it.

I would be much more concerned about the talking bee element of that exchange than the honey theft element.

If the bees become sentient to the point they can grant permission for honey harvesting, then we have much bigger problems than our dietary choices.


We all know that individual bees can't be self-reflectively conscious (they're sentient in that they sense their environemnt): the hive itself is the self-reflectively conscious organism. The bees are just fingers or toes. They're no more autonomous than your white blood cells.

The problem with talking with hives, though, is that they aren't really interested in anything but flowers.
 
2009-09-09 04:50:00 PM  
And priests have wet dreams.
 
2009-09-09 04:50:00 PM  
I knew this girl who really liked meat.
 
2009-09-09 04:51:21 PM  
i gave up meat for health reasons a couple years back, and i have dreams where i'm eating BLTs. but they're good dreams. i need those dreams.

/BLTs like 4 inches thick... mmmm....
 
2009-09-09 04:52:50 PM  
Call the Whambulance?
http://tinyurl.com/mv4erl
(copy and paste)
 
2009-09-09 04:52:53 PM  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmK0bZl4ILM

(Not a Rick Roll)
 
2009-09-09 04:52:59 PM  
mofroe: caid-bp7: If she could ask the bees if she could have some and they said yes it would be fine to eat it.

I would be much more concerned about the talking bee element of that exchange than the honey theft element.


I don't deny this. She was relatively normal (for a vegan) when I met her and seemed closer to spinning off the globe with each passing day.
 
2009-09-09 04:53:40 PM  
Vegetarian: I haven't had meat in 5 years.

Meat Eater: Well I haven't had a banana in a month. You don't see me bragging about it.

/beyond the pale
 
2009-09-09 04:53:51 PM  
apeiron242: -1. Hate thread. Subby, stop obsessing about what other people aren't eating.

--

It's true for me. After the switch (17 Nov 93), i had meatmares. i get them once or twice a year now. They leave me feeling quite sickened.

Oh wait, we have to bash people who care about anyone/thing other than themselves.

Um... bacon! No it's... Mmm bacon! For every woman you don't rape, i'll rape three! Gay retard liberals stealing from the productive! Am i doing this right?


I was going to say something like "Welcome to Fark, come for the nuts, leave with some butthurt," but whatever.
 
2009-09-09 04:53:56 PM  
cameroncrazy1984: Do you know why this is? Because your body was made to eat meat, and it craves meat. You idiots. Claiming to be for nature while going against it is stupid.

ORLY? I don't crave meat in the least and haven't for the almost 30 years I've been a vegetarian. When I was little, dinner time often involved fierce battles as my parents tried to make me eat meat and I refused because I couldn't stand the stuff. As soon as they let me, I quit eating it entirely and haven't missed it for a minute.

So speak for yourself, you insufferable little twatwaffle.
 
Displayed 50 of 389 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | » | Last | Show all



This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
Advertisement
On Twitter





In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report