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(Fox News)   Study finds brain scans are often unnecessary, come back with blank film anyway   (foxnews.com) divider line 39
    More: Interesting, brain scans, harbor, Dr Rustam Al-Shahi Salman, University of Edinburgh, small number, findings, abnormalities  
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2009-09-08 10:18:46 AM
"come back with blank film anyway"

Usually only for those who actually watch Fox News...
 
2009-09-08 10:21:24 AM
Are you sure?
 
2009-09-08 10:22:52 AM
Bet that 3% or even 1% that found something like an AVM (which is VERY treatable) are glad they had a harmless scan (yes MRIs are harmless contrary to what leftwinghippie.com will tell you). Our ability to diagnose is one of the great life savers in medicine today. Wouldn't you feel better knowing after a bonk on the head that you had an MRI an knew everything was fine, or didn't have one and just thought everythign was fine.

/Medical Physicist
 
2009-09-08 10:23:32 AM
Considering my last brain scan found a chiari malformation that explained the numerous maladies that i had been complaining to doctors about for the last eight years (and proved i wasn't crazy/hypochondriac), subby can go eat a giant bowl of dicks.

depts.washington.edu
 
2009-09-08 10:24:52 AM
moops
Is that a crayon I see???
 
2009-09-08 10:26:04 AM
stuhayes2010: Bet that 3% or even 1% that found something like an AVM (which is VERY treatable)

heh, my MRI found an AVM as well - neurologists said i just need to keep an eye on it as i get older.

/bad luck
 
2009-09-08 10:26:50 AM
litespeed74: Is that a crayon I see???

it's a hotel shampoo bottle. i don't know how it got there, i must have fallen on it in the shower. srsly
 
2009-09-08 10:28:04 AM
Meh, I can understand people getting tested or checked out if they aren't feeling right, like moops, or like when the MRIs occasionally show a lesion on my brain or spine (hooray for MS)... but I don't understand people who insist on overloading our medical system with testing for things they aren't either suffering from or at a substantially increased risk for.
 
2009-09-08 10:28:35 AM
I don't know, I'd rather have one and know that nothing's wrong than not have one and have some problems because of it.

But I hit my head a lot.
 
2009-09-08 10:29:31 AM
stuhayes2010: Bet that 3% or even 1% that found something like an AVM (which is VERY treatable) are glad they had a harmless scan (yes MRIs are harmless contrary to what leftwinghippie.com will tell you). Our ability to diagnose is one of the great life savers in medicine today. Wouldn't you feel better knowing after a bonk on the head that you had an MRI an knew everything was fine, or didn't have one and just thought everythign was fine.

/Medical Physicist


i know a lot of left wing hippies, but none who think MRIs are dangerous. Many of them are actually medical professionals.
 
2009-09-08 10:29:46 AM
moops: Considering my last brain scan found a chiari malformation that explained the numerous maladies that i had been complaining to doctors about for the last eight years (and proved i wasn't crazy/hypochondriac), subby can go eat a giant bowl of dicks.

Explains many fark comments too!

/just kidding
//nice see-through portrait!
 
2009-09-08 10:31:53 AM
my last UNNECESSARY brain scan:

type i chiari malformation
farm4.static.flickr.com

cerebral arterio-venous malformation
farm3.static.flickr.com
 
2009-09-08 10:31:55 AM
firefly212: Meh, I can understand people getting tested or checked out if they aren't feeling right, like moops, or like when the MRIs occasionally show a lesion on my brain or spine (hooray for MS)... but I don't understand people who insist on overloading our medical system with testing for things they aren't either suffering from or at a substantially increased risk for.

THIS
Dad's a neurologist, and a very respected one at that. He would never order an unecessary MRI or EEG. "optional" would be discouraged...
Find a doctor you trust, then TRUST HIM.
 
2009-09-08 10:35:03 AM
fatimcgee: "come back with blank film anyway"

Usually only for those who actually watch Fox News...


actually its usually for clueless biased bigoted morons such as yourself.
 
2009-09-08 10:35:40 AM
Tentacle: //nice see-through portrait!

the first pic i posted wasn't me - it was a GIS for chiari MRI. the two a few posts up ARE of me. it says "moops" somewhere on the slide...
 
2009-09-08 10:36:38 AM
meg12279: stuhayes2010: Bet that 3% or even 1% that found something like an AVM (which is VERY treatable) are glad they had a harmless scan (yes MRIs are harmless contrary to what leftwinghippie.com will tell you). Our ability to diagnose is one of the great life savers in medicine today. Wouldn't you feel better knowing after a bonk on the head that you had an MRI an knew everything was fine, or didn't have one and just thought everythign was fine.

/Medical Physicist

i know a lot of left wing hippies, but none who think MRIs are dangerous. Many of them are actually medical professionals.


Well, maybe left wing was thw wrong thing to say, perhaps tinfoilhatwearer.com would have been better.
 
2009-09-08 10:36:38 AM
moops: Considering my last brain scan found a chiari malformation that explained the numerous maladies that i had been complaining to doctors about for the last eight years (and proved i wasn't crazy/hypochondriac), subby can go eat a giant bowl of dicks.

don't take it so hard...subby was just BEING a giant dick, indicating the Fox News link and alluding to the viewers thereof.

Not funny. Not original.

Why the green light for this piece of shiat when John Glenn got punched in the face?

That's right, biatches...John Glenn was PUNCHED IN THE FACE and it's not on page 1. But this Fox News piece of shiat is.

Think about that bullshiat.
 
2009-09-08 10:39:00 AM
stuhayes2010: meg12279: stuhayes2010: Bet that 3% or even 1% that found something like an AVM (which is VERY treatable) are glad they had a harmless scan (yes MRIs are harmless contrary to what leftwinghippie.com will tell you). Our ability to diagnose is one of the great life savers in medicine today. Wouldn't you feel better knowing after a bonk on the head that you had an MRI an knew everything was fine, or didn't have one and just thought everythign was fine.

/Medical Physicist

i know a lot of left wing hippies, but none who think MRIs are dangerous. Many of them are actually medical professionals.

Well, maybe left wing was thw wrong thing to say, perhaps tinfoilhatwearer.com would have been better.


yeah, there's crazies on both sides, but just because you're liberal doesn't mean you believe that medicine is evil and vitamins and yoga can cure cancer.
 
2009-09-08 10:43:41 AM
I have a neurological disorder. Because of the age at which this neurological disorder, Essential Tremors, appeared (age 9), they scan me regularly to make sure I'm not developing parkinsons or other things. I consider this to be a lifeline.

Subby can suck it.
 
2009-09-08 10:46:09 AM
Amhran: I have a neurological disorder. Because of the age at which this neurological disorder, Essential Tremors, appeared (age 9), they scan me regularly to make sure I'm not developing parkinsons or other things. I consider this to be a lifeline.

Subby can suck it.


just because the study says that some brain scans are unnecessary, doesn't mean that YOURS are unnecessary.
 
2009-09-08 10:50:25 AM
firefly212: Meh, I can understand people getting tested or checked out if they aren't feeling right, like moops, or like when the MRIs occasionally show a lesion on my brain or spine (hooray for MS)... but I don't understand people who insist on overloading our medical system with testing for things they aren't either suffering from or at a substantially increased risk for.

Yeah, it's called defensive medicine. When you can get sued for $100 mil for missing a one in a million diagnosis, you would add extraneous tests too.
 
2009-09-08 10:56:10 AM
EMCGuy: Yeah, it's called defensive medicine. When you can get sued for $100 mil for missing a one in a million diagnosis, you would add extraneous tests too.

Yep.

If something seems stupid and pointless you can blame a lawyer, as usual.

Though the $2,000-an-hour minimum fees that get tacked on to the insurance claim for even the most basic diagnostic work doesn't hurt either. You don't hear too many cases of "seemingly pointless extra tests that find nothing" when you're dealing with the uninsured.

"We think he just has gas. But we bill HOW much for this? Wellfark! I need 7 blood tests and an MRI!"
 
2009-09-08 11:01:04 AM
I see a lot of hostile comments towards the subby. Subby did not write story, subby just linked the Faux News story. If you think that the story is wrong perhaps you should direct your anger at the reporter rather than the person who brought it to your attention.

Nah, kill the messenger. Damn you subby!
 
2009-09-08 11:02:49 AM
Anyone else ever put little bits of tinfoil really far back into their noses so that when the scanner passes you get this "sparkly" sensation in your head?
 
2009-09-08 11:09:38 AM
Did somebody say Brainscan?

sexedmusic.files.wordpress.com
 
2009-09-08 11:14:47 AM
All I could see in the picture...

i512.photobucket.com
 
2009-09-08 11:29:33 AM
So let me get this straight. The UK's government health-care system does a 'study' which concludes medical tests aren't needed.

Gotcha...

i27.tinypic.com
 
2009-09-08 11:37:28 AM
If something seems stupid and pointless you can blame a lawyer, as usual.

Oh PUHLEEEZE. For three years I videotaped depositions in medical malpractice. I worked at least 3 depositions every week.
In all that time I met a great deal of ethical lawyers and heinous md's.
Since you have no idea how it works, if the lawyer loses, the lawyer is out the cash for all the background work. That would be court fees, papalegals salaries insurances, rents etc etc etc. If the lawyer takes a case that's BS then THEY stand to lose a fortune on it.
It really is a great system as it PREVENTS asinine lawsuits.

There is no such system to restrain doctors though and that's the real problem.
 
2009-09-08 11:38:46 AM
moops, you broke your brain.
 
2009-09-08 11:51:18 AM
stuhayes2010: Bet that 3% or even 1% that found something like an AVM (which is VERY treatable) are glad they had a harmless scan (yes MRIs are harmless contrary to what leftwinghippie.com will tell you). Our ability to diagnose is one of the great life savers in medicine today. Wouldn't you feel better knowing after a bonk on the head that you had an MRI an knew everything was fine, or didn't have one and just thought everythign was fine.

/Medical Physicist


Its interesting that other countries where MRI's are not used as much have better outcomes than we do.

Technology is important, but it isn't everything. And the over-reliance on scan technology and the like can make some physicians a little lazy, IMO.
 
2009-09-08 12:16:23 PM
The next time you have an excruciating head pain, just don't bother the nice doctor. Get your handy-dandy jig saw and DIY. Save all that wasted time, hanging around waiting for the specialist to read the film to find your aneurysm. Sounds like a plan, I'll go try that right now and report back.
 
2009-09-08 12:19:58 PM
Moops
That's such a cool name, maybe they'll name a condition after you.

/Disappointed that when I had a brain scan, they never gave me the pix.
 
2009-09-08 01:11:51 PM
Seems like they need to clarify the definition of "necessary".

In an abstract sense all modern medical treatments could be called unnecessary. The human race thrived, spread, and dominated the world just fine without them for a million years.
 
2009-09-08 02:02:07 PM
Came for the creepy brain scan-drawings from "The Ring."

Leaving disappointed. Farkers fail.

I'd post them myself, but that movie scared the bejeebus out of me so badly that I couldn't sleep in the dark for years.

/And I have no picture skills. :-(
 
2009-09-08 02:29:41 PM
I thought the headline was some kind of half-assed brain cloud reference. Oh well.
 
2009-09-08 02:33:48 PM
Meh, I had a head MRI to rule out brain involvement for an ear problem. They found a small pineal gland cyst but they told me that it's common in about 60% of the population and wasn't causing my problem.
 
2009-09-08 03:48:58 PM
moops
subby can go eat a giant bowl of dicks.

Apparently that isn't the only thing wrong with your brain. The article was about people having brain scans with no previous symptoms just to "check" to see if anything is wrong.

I think 8 years of complaints about issues in your head doesn't qualify as a "general health checkup".
 
2009-09-08 04:29:16 PM
/Came for Homer's brain
//Left happi
 
2009-09-08 07:19:48 PM
It is odd that the headline blares the MRIs are often unnecessary based on a study of people without complaints that would warrant said study. It's not surprising they had a very low rate of findings. So what, they didn't have symptoms? Now incidental findings can be serendipitous and lifesaving or benign and nerve-racking, but they don't have bearing whether MRIs are ordered for clinically appropriate reasons.

If you headline was "Brain MRIs Strike Fear Unnecessarily," it's still sensationalist dreck but at least one could support it with the paper discussed.

/Well, maybe it isn't odd as most 'science' reporters clearly don't have a clue about what they are writing
//Silly sensationalist headline
///Brain scan use radiopharmaceuticals anyways; a MRI brain is a MRI brain
 
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