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2009-09-08 12:17:07 AM  
she was fired for not doing her job. unless her contract specifies that she gets to make changes to the script to suit her personal agenda, she needs to stfu
 
2009-09-08 12:27:58 AM  
Her character's storyline. (new window)

adultery: okay
lying: okay
acceptance of gays: Die In A Lake of Fire

I always look to daytime soaps for moral guidance. Who else addresses the issues relevant to people with split personalities who are their own long lost daughter?
 
2009-09-08 12:34:19 AM  
Megain: she was fired for not doing her job. unless her contract specifies that she gets to make changes to the script to suit her personal agenda, she needs to stfu


That pretty much covers it.
 
2009-09-08 12:35:11 AM  
cue the "Help! I'm being oppressed!" image.

/DIAF, you stupid twat.
 
2009-09-08 12:37:24 AM  
First she says, "I did not object to being in a gay storyline.

Then she says, I objected to speaking the truth of what that person, how that person would live and breathe and act in that storyline," she said. "And this goes against everything I am, my belief system, and what I know the character's belief system is aligned to."farkin fail
 
2009-09-08 12:42:14 AM  
Oh poor oppressed little you. Guess what, the world doesn't revolve around your world view and sometimes that horrible reality with gay people in it even comes into your scripts.
 
2009-09-08 12:44:53 AM  
Ender's: First she says, "I did not object to being in a gay storyline.

Then she says, I objected to speaking the truth of what that person, how that person would live and breathe and act in that storyline," she said. "And this goes against everything I am, my belief system, and what I know the character's belief system is aligned to."farkin fail


If she objected to "speaking the truth" she shouldn't have been on a soap opera in the first place.
Don't know specifically about soaps, but I know that on many TV shows, you are required to know your lines exactly as they've been written. And certainly on stage, an actor doesn't get to change the words of Shakespeare, Albee, Williams, Stoppard, Simon, et al just because they don't think 'that's how their character would talk.'

"Come to work on time, know your lines and don`t bump into the other actors."
--- Spencer Tracy
 
2009-09-08 12:45:54 AM  
Tough shiat. They write the character. They direct the character. You act the character. If you don't feel your character would do something, bring up your concerns. But when you're shot down, STFU and GBTW. Take a look through wikipedia and IMDB and you'll see a LOT of fail that would've happened if actors had an actual say in what their characters do. Examples:

- 7th season romance between Buffy and Xander (courtesy both Sarah Michelle Gellar and Nicolas Brendan)
- Mary Jane Watson getting pregnant with Spider-man's baby, who grows up to replace Peter Parker after he's killed in the third film (courtesy of Kristen Dunst, who actually used the word "spider-baby")
- Worf and Troi getting together in the 7th season of TNG (which actually happened because the staff actually gave the cast carte blanche to make a request of the characters in the last season)
 
2009-09-08 12:46:11 AM  
Refuse to do your job and get canned. Shocker.

The producers of the show would also have been free to fire her because of her age, sex, race, height, weight, accent and just about anything else apparent to the eye and ear.
 
2009-09-08 12:47:09 AM  
penthesilea: Her character's storyline. (new window)

adultery: okay
lying: okay
acceptance of gays: Die In A Lake of Fire

I always look to daytime soaps for moral guidance. Who else addresses the issues relevant to people with split personalities who are their own long lost daughter?


I was gonna say something like this but I have no idea about her character story line. I just figured since all soaps are like that she would be too.

The lady needs to STFU.
 
2009-09-08 12:49:49 AM  
Abstruse: They write the character. They direct the character. You act the character.

I think you're still giving her too much credit.
 
2009-09-08 12:49:55 AM  
penthesilea: Her character's storyline. (new window)

adultery: okay
lying: okay
acceptance of gays: Die In A Lake of Fire


Heh, I never thought of it that way...even if they do think being gay is wrong and all, shouldn't you still be able to view it on TV/ect just like adultery/other morally/legally wrong things? Just because something is shown, or even works out for someone in fiction doesn't mean it's being endorsed...

/Ooops, I just got amnesia. Are you my long lost twin?
//Oh wait, that's just a mirror
 
2009-09-08 12:50:07 AM  
This is probably off-topic, but I clicked penthesilea's link, and this woman has a face like a footprint.
 
2009-09-08 01:27:40 AM  
oldebayer: This is probably off-topic, but I clicked penthesilea's link, and this woman has a face like a footprint.

If she were a true Christian, she'd have another set of footprints right next to it.
 
2009-09-08 01:28:49 AM  
Megain: she was fired for not doing her job. unless her contract specifies that she gets to make changes to the script to suit her personal agenda, she needs to stfu

I agree. We have civil rights laws that protect you from being fired simply because of your religion (i.e. discrimination), but if your religion prevents you from being able to do your job, that's a whole different story. Get the fark out.
 
2009-09-08 01:32:28 AM  
The ghey is where many people draw the line.
 
Bek
2009-09-08 01:37:52 AM  
Epsilon: I agree. We have civil rights laws that protect you from being fired simply because of your religion (i.e. discrimination), but if your religion prevents you from being able to do your job, that's a whole different story. Get the fark out.

Hah, that reminds me of the scientology pharmacist thing from the Onion awhile back.
 
2009-09-08 01:39:18 AM  
penthesilea: Her character's storyline. (new window)

adultery: okay
lying: okay
acceptance of gays: Die In A Lake of Fire

I always look to daytime soaps for moral guidance. Who else addresses the issues relevant to people with split personalities who are their own long lost daughter?


So, her character can break TWO Commandments, but not a section of revised law from Leviticus?

She was OK with her character breaking TWO Commandments of a Covenant made to her God, but not a section of Judiac law that was revised by the children of Israel themselves, and likewise revised with Jesus' New Covenant?

I guess I'm confused.

The actress was fine with her character, deeply religious or no, breaking two Commandments, but incensed with breaking the same code that was revised to allow for Pig Pickings and Shrimp Boils, and mixed fabrics?

I'm just checking, because that sounds like she was OK with damning her character straight to Hell, but not for her character talking about the breaking of laws that were revised with Jesus' coming and the New Covenant.
 
2009-09-08 01:53:44 AM  
hubiestubert: She was OK with her character breaking TWO Commandments of a Covenant made to her God, but not a section of Judiac law that was revised by the children of Israel themselves, and likewise revised with Jesus' New Covenant?

I'm just checking, because that sounds like she was OK with damning her character straight to Hell, but not for her character talking about the breaking of laws that were revised with Jesus' coming and the New Covenant.


I'm quoting this part because people tend to forget that Jesus's new testament stuff wiped out all that crap and just show how little they know about the bible they are spewing to justify their actions.
 
2009-09-08 02:01:08 AM  
Her job is to deliver the lines on her script, not rewrite them. Even most of the big names on daytime don't have the ability to just rewrite their story (Tony Geary excepted).

The scenes in question aired Friday and they were comic relief - her character's son has a book about coming out to your parents (purchased for a friend), and her character assumes it's his and basically says 'well, you're an artist who always had problems with women. It makes sense'. Big whoop.

If anything, Mauceri should have questioned why her character would make such a stupid leap as to believe her horndog, skirt-chasing son was gay just because he had a book. To flip out the way she did was all about her own issues with gays, and few OLTL fans believe differently.

/the new Carlotta sucks
//The old Carlotta sucks for entirely different reasons
///OLTL fan. Only sorta-embarrassed to admit that.
 
2009-09-08 02:02:56 AM  
Gwendolyn: hubiestubert: She was OK with her character breaking TWO Commandments of a Covenant made to her God, but not a section of Judiac law that was revised by the children of Israel themselves, and likewise revised with Jesus' New Covenant?

I'm just checking, because that sounds like she was OK with damning her character straight to Hell, but not for her character talking about the breaking of laws that were revised with Jesus' coming and the New Covenant.

I'm quoting this part because people tend to forget that Jesus's new testament stuff wiped out all that crap and just show how little they know about the bible they are spewing to justify their actions.


And how seriously that the Bible takes Covenants with the Jahweh. Not rules that the prophets suggested, but Covenants with Jahweh. Made back in the days, when there were a LOT of other Gods in competition. Old School Covenants. The kind that even Jesus' New Covenant don't break--Jesus mentioned specifically even that his New Covenant didn't bust up the Covenants made to the Children of Israel.

Rules, that can be amended by Judiac councils, THOSE she's upset about her character breaking, but Bearing False Witness and Adultery, not so much?
 
2009-09-08 02:21:22 AM  
My guess is that her contract pretty much says....We write, you read. I don't think that any actors get to do editorials as part of their character. On top of that it probably isn't a good idea to piss off Gay people in Hollywood.
 
2009-09-08 02:34:46 AM  
WOW, since I read the script of what she was to perform I guess I'll just go with the other sheep comments as if they really know what she was disagreeing with in the actual script. Maybe the original script required her to strap on and fudge pack the other soapsters?

/Move to California...you will understand how "it" works...on second thought, don't come out here...
 
2009-09-08 02:40:31 AM  
steelpeg: WOW, since I read the script of what she was to perform I guess I'll just go with the other sheep comments as if they really know what she was disagreeing with in the actual script. Maybe the original script required her to strap on and fudge pack the other soapsters?


What a shock. The one person who agrees with her is goddamn idiot.
 
2009-09-08 02:48:44 AM  
lajimi: My guess is that her contract pretty much says....We write, you read. I don't think that any actors get to do editorials as part of their character. On top of that it probably isn't a good idea to piss off Gay people in Hollywood.

Actually, a lot of them do. But they tend to get "Executive Producer/Co-Producer" credits (such as Emily Deschanel and David Boreanaz in Bones or James Roday and Dule Hill in Psych).
 
2009-09-08 02:58:51 AM  
Gwendolyn: hubiestubert: She was OK with her character breaking TWO Commandments of a Covenant made to her God, but not a section of Judiac law that was revised by the children of Israel themselves, and likewise revised with Jesus' New Covenant?

I'm just checking, because that sounds like she was OK with damning her character straight to Hell, but not for her character talking about the breaking of laws that were revised with Jesus' coming and the New Covenant.

I'm quoting this part because people tend to forget that Jesus's new testament stuff wiped out all that crap and just show how little they know about the bible they are spewing to justify their actions.


Ultimately, I get annoyed when people read the Bible for the cool quotes that they can use, as opposed to reading for content. I really would like to see one of these folks actually address the WHOLE Sermon on the Mount, as opposed to his favorite bits. It's kind of like singing the refrain, "My name is Sue! How do you do! Now you're gonna die!" over and over again, and then saying, "See, Johnny Cash was fine with fratricide and sang a WHOLE song about it!"
 
2009-09-08 03:00:07 AM  
steelpeg: WOW, since I read the script of what she was to perform I guess I'll just go with the other sheep comments as if they really know what she was disagreeing with in the actual script. Maybe the original script required her to strap on and fudge pack the other soapsters?

/Move to California...you will understand how "it" works...on second thought, don't come out here...


Yeah, please, do tell me how "it" works.
 
2009-09-08 03:14:29 AM  
It's her choice. Now she gets to compete for gigs with younger, hit women that do full frontal nudity. I hope she saved her communion wafers or she's gonna go hungry.
 
2009-09-08 03:33:46 AM  
Abstruse: James Roday and Dule Hill in Psych).

Well, James Roday makes up like half his lines himself, and wrote several episodes. Usually when an actor has the right/responsibility to create his own lines, that's pretty up-front (see Downey in Iron Man or Depp in PotC).
 
2009-09-08 03:45:28 AM  
GAT_00: Oh poor oppressed little you. Guess what, the world doesn't revolve around your world view and sometimes that horrible reality with non-gay people in it even comes into your scripts.

FTFY.

Isn't it funny you can be fired for not wanting to have something to do with the gay lifestyle, but if a homosexual was fired for not wanting to do something religious, all of you would be foaming at the mouth and screeching your lungs out? Why don't y'all take your double standards and ram them up your asses? It sounds like that would be something you enjoy anyways.
 
2009-09-08 03:49:50 AM  
If I was a writer on the show, to get back at her, I'd make sure she wasn't fired right away, and I had enough time to ease her into the "arrested for disseminating really really really awful (but not illegal) pornography" storyline. I'm thinking a courtroom scene where she defends her right to create just the most lewd and obscene pornography ever, and says that she is proud to produce it.

Then, on the way out of court, she falls down an elevator shaft.
 
2009-09-08 03:54:59 AM  
PacManDreaming: Isn't it funny you can be fired for not wanting to have something to do with the gay lifestyle, but if a homosexual was fired for not wanting to do something religious...

Remember kids, if you can't beat the logic, just make shiat up until your point of view seems kind of valid, in comparison to the shiat you just made up.

Isn't it convenient how PacManDreaming is trying to tell us how to live when he has never come out and said his stance on genocide? I know he's in favor of it, because that's how I imagine him, and my imagination is spot-on true because I am the center of the universe.
 
2009-09-08 03:55:17 AM  
PacManDreaming: Isn't it funny you can be fired for not wanting to have something to do with the gay lifestyle, but if a homosexual was fired for not wanting to do something religious, all of you would be foaming at the mouth and screeching your lungs out? Why don't y'all take your double standards and ram them up your asses? It sounds like that would be something you enjoy anyways.

This isn't a double standard. This is acting. The role is written and your job is to perform it.

If I was an actor and my role involved me playing a religious part, I'd play the goddamned part.

This is her trying to insert her own dislike of gays into that of her character.
 
2009-09-08 03:58:25 AM  
Neeek: Well, James Roday makes up like half his lines himself, and wrote several episodes. Usually when an actor has the right/responsibility to create his own lines, that's pretty up-front (see Downey in Iron Man or Depp in PotC).

He ad-libs a lot, but not nearly as much as you seem to think. It's the jokes that get ad-libbed, not the plot. Same goes for The Janitor on Scrubs. And Neil Flynn never got a co-producer credit.
 
2009-09-08 04:02:33 AM  
Abstruse: He ad-libs a lot, but not nearly as much as you seem to think. It's the jokes that get ad-libbed, not the plot.

Yeah, but the jokes are sort of the point of the show.

Has he had co-producer credit through out, or just the later seasons?

/I guess I should pull out my DVDs and find out for myself.
 
2009-09-08 04:06:21 AM  
Religious beliefs don't trump all job assignments.

Suppose you are a hardcore, orthodox Muslim and your religion forbids educating girls. Should any civil rights laws entitle you to become a teacher because your religion is being discriminated against?
 
2009-09-08 04:32:59 AM  
Neeek: Has he had co-producer credit through out, or just the later seasons?

/I guess I should pull out my DVDs and find out for myself.


Started with Season 2 if I'm not mistaken.
 
2009-09-08 04:45:00 AM  
Etchy333: Remember kids, if you can't beat the logic, just make shiat up until your point of view seems kind of valid, in comparison to the shiat you just made up.

Isn't it convenient how PacManDreaming is trying to tell us how to live when he has never come out and said his stance on genocide? I know he's in favor of it, because that's how I imagine him, and my imagination is spot-on true because I am the center of the universe.


i25.tinypic.com

I've never heard you deny you were an animal rapist. You must be because that's how I imagine you to be. Now, stop being an imbecile and just realize not everyone wants to accept having the homosexual lifestyle shoved into their faces. If you don't want to participate in something at work that promotes an ideology that you're against, you shouldn't be fired for it. You know, kinda like how they discipline people for forcing their religion on co-workers?

shivashakti: This isn't a double standard. This is acting. The role is written and your job is to perform it.

If I was an actor and my role involved me playing a religious part, I'd play the goddamned part.

This is her trying to insert her own dislike of gays into that of her character.


Sorry, but this is a case of double standards. If someone was vehemently anti-religious and they had to perform a job that promoted religion and got fired for not doing it would you agree that they should've been fired? Would you want to do an acting job where you had to portray an anti-gay neo-Nazi in a positive light where impressionable people might view that character as a role model? If not, then please feel free to drop off your double stands in the nearest trash can.

This is one that that gets me about people who are pro-gay. It's the fact that they absolutely cannot understand that just because someone doesn't want to participate in pro-gay activities doesn't mean they're anti-gay. I don't want to go wave a rainbow flag at a Pride Parade, but that doesn't mean I want to see homosexuals rounded up and exterminated either. Do you want to go to a Southern Baptist church service? If not, does that instantly mean you want all Southern Baptists rounded up and re-educated or exterminated?

The LGBT community is going to have to realize not everyone wants to have their ideology thrown in their faces, just like they don't want anti-gay propaganda shoved into theirs. I've noticed a LOT of intolerance coming from the LGBT community for the last few years. You know they're hitting the mainstream since they're starting to act just like everyone else that they rail against.
 
2009-09-08 05:06:24 AM  
PacManDreaming: If you don't want to participate in something at work that promotes an ideology that you're against, you shouldn't be fired for it. You know, kinda like how they discipline people for forcing their religion on co-workers?

You do if you work in the entertainment industry. You think Jenny McCarthy wanted to lick Matt Stone's face while filming BASEketball? Hell, you think half the actors and actresses in movies want to be making out or having fake sex with some of the ugly toads they're paired up with? Think they want to get covered in fake blood and prosthetics? No, that's why they're paid to pretend they like it. And if they don't want to do it, there's another actor or actress who will.

This isn't a religious issue, this is an issue about the ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY. Normal employment laws go out the window and you don't get to say a goddamn thing about it. You either deal or you quit and they replace you. The fact that she's whining to the press shows an even larger lack of professionalism, and she'll be lucky to do commercials for yeast infection meds pretty damn soon. Unless Kirk Cameron can get some moron to fund another direct to video shiatfest.
 
2009-09-08 05:11:14 AM  
PacManDreaming:
This is one that that gets me about people who are pro-gay. It's the fact that they absolutely cannot understand that just because someone doesn't want to participate in pro-gay activities doesn't mean they're anti-gay. I don't want to go wave a rainbow flag at a Pride Parade, but that doesn't mean I want to see homosexuals rounded up and exterminated either. Do you want to go to a Southern Baptist church service? If not, does that instantly mean you want all Southern Baptists rounded up and re-educated or exterminated?

The LGBT community is going to have to realize not everyone wants to have their ideology thrown in their faces, just like they don't want anti-gay propaganda shoved into theirs. I've noticed a LOT of intolerance coming from the LGBT community for the last few years. You know they're hitting the mainstream since they're starting to act just like everyone else that they rail against.


So, you're not anti-gay?
That comment you made about "Why don't y'all take your double standards and ram them up your asses? It sounds like that would be something you enjoy anyways" seems pretty anti-gay to me.

I'm not saying you want gays rounded up and exterminated or anything, but there's more than just love or hate. There's a spectrum involved.

I don't hate Southern Baptists. I respect them and their opinion. I just wish they wouldn't try to push their beliefs on others or try to make their religion into law. Likewise, you probably wish gay people would shut up about being gay. I can understand that to a certain extent.

Just keep in mind that just like some Southern Baptists aren't the judgmental holier-than-thou annoying types, likewise, not all gay people are flamboyant queens with martyr complexes. But we tend to only notice the ones that are most visible. Unfortunately, we also tend to judge entire communities by their most visible representatives.

The difference is that Southern Baptists aren't being victimized by society because of who they are. No one's trying to say that Southern Baptists can't marry whomever they want. No one's trying to prevent them from adopting kids.

Gay people have led a life full of people trying to keep them down just because of the way they were born and the kind of people they're attracted to.

If such persecution didn't happen in society, there probably wouldn't be such a big deal about being "out". Indeed, as gay culture is becoming more and more mainstream, it becomes less of a big deal to find out that this person..or that person is gay.

Gay people aren't trying to convert others into being gay. The only thing they might try to convert people into being is accepting. But let's face it, after a lifetime of abuse, who can blame them for wanting to teach others to accept them for who they are?
 
2009-09-08 05:40:44 AM  
PacManDreaming: If you don't want to participate in something at work that promotes an ideology that you're against, you shouldn't be fired for it.

My work promotes the capitalist ideology that we should retain customers and make money. If I reject that ideology, yes, I should be fired for it. Welcome to being a grown-up and having to make decisions.

If you're a conservative, fine, but don't half-ass it. Gay characters have been in soaps for longer than 14 years, and if you work in entertainment, you need to be able to deal with it.
 
2009-09-08 06:34:03 AM  
Megain: she was fired for not doing her job. unless her contract specifies that she gets to make changes to the script to suit her personal agenda, she needs to stfu

put this here in case people scroll past it.

I kinda get the old "this character would never say/do that" deal I hear actors and actresses say when they want to change something but it always seemed like an odd thing to me.
 
2009-09-08 06:35:01 AM  
Refusing to deliver pro-gay lines in a soap opera because of your religious beliefs is like refusing to deliver lines in Star Trek because you know what you're saying is not scientifically possible...

It's fiction. You're hired to play a character. Your personal thoughts, feelings, and beliefs on a certain matter don't enter into it. Play the character or don't, but don't be surprised when you get fired for choosing the latter option.
 
2009-09-08 06:38:08 AM  
Errk: The ghey is where many people draw the line.

That's because many people have an indoctrinated outrage towards homosexuality that is far stronger than any objection they actually feel.
 
2009-09-08 06:38:58 AM  
The issue has nothing to do with the ghey and everything to do with an actress that didn't think the lines being written for her would have been credible or believable.

Her job, when it comes down to brass tacks, is to read what she has been given. Her input to the writers is appreciated, but not necessary. And considering how many actors and actresses float in and out of story lines on those shows her being difficult about it was met with what was to be expected.

Unfortunately FOX has a solid hold on this story so we can expect her to be riding high on the same float as Carrie Prejean and Sarah Palin in there usual weekly parade of lunacy lead by the ever-present batchit-crazy Glen Beck.
 
2009-09-08 06:42:35 AM  
GranoblasticMan: Refusing to deliver pro-gay lines in a soap opera because of your religious beliefs is like refusing to deliver lines in Star Trek because you know what you're saying is not scientifically possible...

It's fiction. You're hired to play a character. Your personal thoughts, feelings, and beliefs on a certain matter don't enter into it. Play the character or don't, but don't be surprised when you get fired for choosing the latter option.



According to her, that's not the sole reason for wanting the lines changed though. It's her knowledge of her character which she's played for 14 years. Yes her beliefs helped mold her character, but that doesn't change the fact that it's her character, and she probably has the best idea of how her character would react. I'd say she's probably the expert on her character.

course that may not be the whole story, but I tend to agree with her on that point.
 
2009-09-08 06:43:14 AM  
It IS true that an actor can have professional disagreement with what her character does on a show. Generally they would biatch and moan about the "realism" of it all and what "resonates" with her character. However, this doesn't appear to be that kind of a situation.
 
2009-09-08 06:44:08 AM  
penthesilea: Her character's storyline. (new window)

adultery: okay
lying: okay
acceptance of gays: Die In A Lake of Fire

I always look to daytime soaps for moral guidance. Who else addresses the issues relevant to people with split personalities who are their own long lost daughter?


I'm just glad that they were not going to have her involved in any sex scenes.
 
2009-09-08 06:44:22 AM  
Fon_Win: GranoblasticMan: Refusing to deliver pro-gay lines in a soap opera because of your religious beliefs is like refusing to deliver lines in Star Trek because you know what you're saying is not scientifically possible...

It's fiction. You're hired to play a character. Your personal thoughts, feelings, and beliefs on a certain matter don't enter into it. Play the character or don't, but don't be surprised when you get fired for choosing the latter option.


According to her, that's not the sole reason for wanting the lines changed though. It's her knowledge of her character which she's played for 14 years. Yes her beliefs helped mold her character, but that doesn't change the fact that it's her character, and she probably has the best idea of how her character would react. I'd say she's probably the expert on her character.

course that may not be the whole story, but I tend to agree with her on that point.


One thing, actors don't write the scripts. If they're lucky, they may have input, but that's it. I don't assume this lady did.
 
2009-09-08 06:44:26 AM  
Epsilon: Religious beliefs don't trump all job assignments.

Suppose you are a hardcore, orthodox Muslim and your religion forbids educating girls. Should any civil rights laws entitle you to become a teacher because your religion is being discriminated against?


I'm going to have to go with poor attempt at trollfu on this one...
 
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